Understanding the US - Again

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 16 Jun 2018 02:33

Lalmohan wrote:the other perspective is that post ww2 the US built the new world order which talked about freedom and liberty but was actually geared to ensure US dominance over the rest of the world - barring the soviets. when the soviets fell, the US became undisputed champion and Europe remained a vassal set of states paying homage in multiple respects to the new roman emperor. all of the rules based system that is being widely derided was built by the US to serve US interests and it has been very successful at that.


served US interests as defined by elites/establishment (both parties)..and the fruits of it enjoyed by them, while a section withered and regressed.

now that section is taken for another ride by another elite who cynically manipulates their suffering and emotions, but could end up wrecking their situation even worse.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Singha » 16 Jun 2018 10:12

only a stool with 3 legs is stable, never a P2.

hence rather than aspiring to be a vassal on the best terms, we must haul ourself up and be the third pole.

by population , market size, access to sea, integration into world economy, diaspora we are in a far better position than the only other candidate russia. its only that we must respect our own capabilities and people and work honestly to a medium and long term plan, not just 5 year election cycles and flag waving.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 16 Jun 2018 11:38

UK, France and Russia were America's allies in WWII. You know what happened to them. SK, Japan and Taiwan are US allies in Asia now, and see how they are treated. In an alliance with the US no one but the US is the lynchpin. Of course there are alternatives and they must be explored while we still have time to make corrections. As far as China is concerned, a democratic China will be worse.
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OTOH if all Indian states were to adopt the wisdom of Malloostan and vote for the CPI(M), the greatest Red Capitalist success story in India, India could become part of China and then there would be no need for a foreign policy at all. Sorry for the OT, but just pointing to the viable alternatives.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 16 Jun 2018 16:16

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... war-opener
Next Move Is Trump's After China Hits Back in Trade-War Opener
By Jeff Black
China’s in-kind response to U.S. President Donald Trump’s announcement of tariffs on $50 billion of imports from the nation left the global economy on the verge of a trade war.
Two detailed lists of products on which tariffs will be collected starting July 6 now form the core of the conflict between the world’s two largest economies: One released Friday aimed at curbing China’s industrial advancement and the other aimed at hurting the commodity producers of the American heartland.
China’s response, released in detail early Saturday, now raises the prospect the U.S. will impose more duties following a pledge from Trump on Friday. For now, weeks of shuttle diplomacy between Washington and Beijing, in an effort to reduce China’s massive goods trade surplus with the U.S., have produced nothing -- and the very products that China had pledged to buy more of will now be slapped with higher import duties instead.
“There is very little chance that this three-week delay to July 6 will allow for a last-ditch effort to avert tariffs,” said economists including Michael Hirson, Asia director at Eurasia Group in New York. “A first round of tariffs on $50 billion in goods is locked in and the risk of escalation to a second round is considerable.”
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Things are moving quickly.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 16 Jun 2018 16:21

there is only one winner in all of the upheaval going on now - if it stays its current course
as i said a few months before, Putin has played a strategic master stroke

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 17 Jun 2018 12:22

Ultimately the best guarantees against US mijjiles is a whole lot of Trump Towers and War Malts on the ground, hain?

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 18 Jun 2018 14:05

interesting to hear politicians defending the policy of separating children at the border

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 18 Jun 2018 18:46

Lalmohan wrote:interesting to hear politicians defending the policy of separating children at the border


excellent opp for some of the do-gooder/bleeding heart/'useful idiot' types to make some noises about this horrible stuff...but then these were always slaves to agendas set from there and not really driven by actual principles

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 18 Jun 2018 20:19

there was an interesting discussion on the radio this morning about Sessions quoting Romans XIII(?) to justify the child separation policy. it seems that the usual theological interpretation of that passage was to question the power of the state and its 'god given right' to impose rules and not to justify them. it was apparently the favourite passage of Pastor Bonhoffer when he was challenging Nazi rules.

its worth remembering that jesus and the lads were radical extremists fighting against roman rule and were seen by the mainstream jewish population as radical fringe elements up to no good. long live the peoples front for the liberation of Judea!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 18 Jun 2018 21:05

Lalmohanji,
Mr. sessions quoted Roman 13, and quoted from an epistle written by St. Paul to Romans. That is to those in Rome, who followed the Church. It was not written to the rulers of Rome who were obviously not Christians those days. These letters are part of the new testament. In the past the Bible has been used to justify slavery etc. The Reformed Dutch Church in SA also said that Bible supported apartheid.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 18 Jun 2018 21:27

splittist! you are obviously a supporter of the Judean Popular Revolutionary Council!!

[as for the Reformed Dutch Church - they believed that God gave them the empty lands of south Africa. what they didn't realise was that the all conquering Zulus had just swept through a few years ago, and the previous inhabitant survivors were still hiding up in the hills and the land looked empty rather than was empty]

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 18 Jun 2018 22:42

Or the Popular Judean Concil of Revolution /endMontyPythonRef

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 19 Jun 2018 01:12

Lalmohan wrote:splittist! you are obviously a supporter of the Judean Popular Revolutionary Council!!
[as for the Reformed Dutch Church - they believed that God gave them the empty lands of south Africa. what they didn't realise was that the all conquering Zulus had just swept through a few years ago, and the previous inhabitant survivors were still hiding up in the hills and the land looked empty rather than was empty]

Lalmohanji,
The land was empty. The Zulus living there were vermin to be kottletted at will.
Also, in Australia the govt. allowed UK to explode nuclear devices in areas not populated by whites. But those areas had aboriginals living there. Also considered vermin.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 19 Jun 2018 13:52

its because your mother told us that you are not the messiah, but a very naughty boy...

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 19 Jun 2018 13:52

ted cruz is introducing legislation to end the child separation policy

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 19 Jun 2018 18:22

ted cruz? he's leading the polls in his re-election...wonder what's compelling him to pre-empt the moves on this by his opponent. other polls suggest that republican voters actually like these policies that are designed to discourage immigration, asylum etc.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby sooraj » 19 Jun 2018 22:07

OPEC Faces a Bigger Problem in Washington Than Trump’s Tweets

U.S. lawmakers resurrect NOPEC bill in attempt to sue cartel
Trump supported the anti-OPEC law before becoming president

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 20 Jun 2018 00:06

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/opin ... pe=Article
Opinion
Donald Trump’s Small Hostages

By Frank Bruni
Opinion Columnist
Why don’t we call the terrified children whose incarceration is riveting the country what they are at this point?
Not migrants. Not detainees. Not pawns, although that comes closest to the mark.
They’re hostages.
President Trump is using them as flesh-and-blood bargaining chips, hoping that their ordeal and reasonable Americans’ disgust with it will get him what he wants. This isn’t some theory that I’m basing on the whisperings of unnamed administration officials whose candor the president can dismiss as fake news put out by a maleficent media. It’s the only conclusion reachable from his and his lieutenants’ own words.
Falsely claiming that they are bound by law to separate families who cross the border illegally, they say that they could and would gladly abandon the approach — if only Democrats joined them in supporting a package of new immigration legislation.
At a miserable White House news conference on Monday, Kirstjen Nielsen, the head of the Department of Homeland Security, slithered around and away from reporters’ questions about the children’s suffering by saying, “What the president is trying to do is find a long-term fix.”
Translation: He can live, in the meantime, with this short-term horror. Can everybody else?
On Twitter, Trump himself expectorated that all of this is “the Democrats fault for being weak and ineffective with Boarder Security and Crime.” He equates random capital letters with virility. They’re typographical ****. In another spasm of super-potency, he tweeted, “CHANGE THE LAWS!”
Translation: Give him his border wall and he’ll give the country relief from the sight of caged children and the sound of their sobs. Deny him and his government will stay its heartless course, no matter how much trauma is inflicted on these kids, no matter how much shame is heaped on America, no matter how profound the betrayal of its promise, no matter how deep the interment of its soul. He’ll blame the nightmare on his opponents and he’ll be persuasive, because he’s a better liar. He has had more practice at it.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/us/p ... pe=Article
How Anti-Immigration Passion Was Inflamed From the Fringe
By Michael D. Shear and Katie Benner June 18, 2018
WASHINGTON — Jeff Sessions and Stephen Miller spent years on the political fringe in the nation’s capital as high-decibel immigration hard-liners, always warning about the dangers of open borders but rarely in a position to affect law or policy.
Now, Mr. Sessions, the attorney general and former senator from Alabama, and Mr. Miller, the president’s top policy adviser and former Senate aide to Mr. Sessions, have moved from the edges of the immigration debate to its red-hot center. Powerful like never before, the two are the driving force behind President Trump’s policy that has led thousands of children to be separated from their parents at the nation’s southern border.
It was Mr. Sessions who ordered prosecutors to take a new “zero tolerance” attitude toward families crossing into the United States, part of his plans to reshape the country’s law enforcement priorities to limit immigration. It is Mr. Miller who has championed the idea inside the White House, selling Mr. Trump on the benefits of a policy that his adversaries have called “evil,” “inhumane” and equivalent to child abuse or the internment of the Japanese during World War II.
“The U.S. government has a sacred, solemn, inviolable obligation to enforce the laws of the United States to stop illegal immigration and to secure and protect the borders,” Mr. Miller said in a recent interview. Asked if the images of children being taken from their parents would eventually make the president back down, Mr. Miller was adamant.
“There is no straying from that mission,” he said. On Monday, as an audio recording became public of children crying for their parents after being separated at the border, Mr. Sessions vigorously defended his zero-tolerance policy. “We cannot and will not encourage people to bring children by giving them blanket immunity from our laws,” Mr. Sessions declared in a speech to law enforcement officers.
The partnership between Mr. Sessions and Mr. Miller began in 2009, when Mr. Miller, a conservative rabble rouser and contrarian who emerged from the left-leaning Santa Monica, became a spokesman for the senator. He sported sideburns and skinny ties as he often delivered long and passionate lectures to reporters, and anyone else who would listen, about the dangers of granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. Mr. Sessions, 71, had strong views shaped by his experience as a young politician in rural Alabama, where he saw immigrants take jobs at a poultry plant away from poor, unskilled Americans. During more than a decade as a federal prosecutor and state attorney general, and 20 years in the Senate, Mr. Sessions came to believe that immigrants, whether here legally or illegally, posed a direct threat to the country by depressing wages, committing crimes and competing for welfare benefits. He was deeply influenced by the work of George Borjas, a Harvard economist who has said that immigrants have an adverse impact on the economy.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 20 Jun 2018 04:36

On Fathers Day weekend.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby disha » 20 Jun 2018 05:20

^^ I also have personal sob stories about immigration and how I was separated from family. My family never came together again and thanks to my obsession of keeping everything legal.

Also in the above detainees, there are 52 asylum seekers from India claiming political persecution for asylum. Most of them are of the communist or mao or khalistan i variety and several time after they get asylum in US, they go back to the Indian consulate on figuring out how to go back to India on visit to friends and family. And on being told that since their GC/Citizenship in US was based on asylum, any chance of going back to India as tourists will jeopardize their GC/Citizenship, they scream "hooman writes violation" against the Indian government.

Personally, asylum seekers from India claiming political persecution a.la China do not need any sympathy.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 20 Jun 2018 06:26

Someone named Valerie Kaur is highlighting this immigrants from India and children being separated.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 20 Jun 2018 06:52

Dishaji,
There will always some Indians and more Pakis in such groups. That is not the problem. The problem is that everyone is allowed to claim political asylum. That is not illegal, most countries allow that including the US. It is up to the US to get a quick process that will look at the genuineness of the claim and deport those that are just economic migrants. During that period, innocence is presumed and the family is not separated. That is what is required. A great deal of the political problem of Southern and Central America is due to the policies of the US.
Most agriculturists are supporters of the GOP, and all know that agriculture is not possible without the contribution of undocumented migrants that work for below minimum wages in a hard environment. These people are not given any benefits at all, and could not survive if they did not leave after the harvest season is over. Drive any where along orchards and you will see hundreds of undocumented workers working openly under the strong California Sun. So, the ICE agents are willing to turn a blind eye to the immigrants coming in and out, on one hand and on the other hand they are not given a path to legalization, as that will mean a loss to the farmers needing cheap labor.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 20 Jun 2018 08:26

Some (or many) people gaming the system is justification for separating kids - even while breastfeeding. As usual, taking a club and swinging it away at problems.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 20 Jun 2018 09:13

Well, DT has said that this policy of separating minors will stop if the wall is built. As Mexico is not paying for the wall and because no one is the US is interested in paying for the wall, this is one way of showing that he is serious to his core support. The GOP is worried about the effect of this policy in the coming election.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby chanakyaa » 20 Jun 2018 10:35

...this is one way of showing that he is serious to his core support...

And that is the key. Putting a drama to your own constituency and attract anti-immigration support from Center left crowd. Now, all this is going on while fully supporting steady and tactical inflow of people which is the goal regardless of which party is in power. Given the sheer number of children taken, not sure what the odds are of giving temporary asylum to their parents citing psychological impact on young children etc etc. Regardless, if the kids end up staying in promised land, after 10-15 years, they will be no different than any othe Hispanic child growing up in Texas. In the meantime government is hiring people, creating new care facilities, and jobs. Not everyone will agree on thinking About the economic aspects for such social issues but it is out there in some circles. By the time we get to that discussion point, news cycle will be on to some new hot topic.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby TKiran » 20 Jun 2018 11:53

I have a question to gurus,

My daughter has American passport. She is studying in India happily. We didn't go to US after I returned to India.

Now if I come to US on H1 or on L1, and I loose job and want to return to India, will my daughter be snatched away from us?

Can she return to India? I have not changed her passport to Indian passport, as she has not lived in India for 15 years yet.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby g.sarkar » 20 Jun 2018 12:44

Who will do the snatching? and why?
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 20 Jun 2018 13:57

Gus wrote:ted cruz? he's leading the polls in his re-election...wonder what's compelling him to pre-empt the moves on this by his opponent. other polls suggest that republican voters actually like these policies that are designed to discourage immigration, asylum etc.


yes i saw a news item earlier that had an WH insider quote trump on this being a 'play' to the core supporters, just like 'taking the knee' was a play to get the base riled up. so far the majority of the core are supporting separating children from parents

oh and it seems cory lewandowski was on fox last night 'womp-womp'ing the separation of a child with downs syndrome from her parents... and it also turns out that cory has ties to a company that specialises in providing child detention services to the government, oh and cory is also working for the veep... although not everyone seems to be happy about that part of it

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/busi ... v=top-news
Trump’s Trade War Spooks Markets as White House Waits for China to Blink
By Ana Swanson, June 19, 2018
WASHINGTON — President Trump’s threat to impose tariffs on almost every Chinese product that comes into the United States intensified the possibility of a damaging trade war, sending stock markets tumbling on Tuesday and drawing a rebuke from retailers, tech companies and manufacturers.
The Trump administration remained unmoved by those concerns, with a top trade adviser, Peter Navarro, insisting that China has more to lose from a trade fight than the United States. He also declared that Mr. Trump would not allow Beijing to simply buy its way out of an economic dispute by promising to import more American goods.
“President Trump has given China every chance to change its aggressive behavior,” Mr. Navarro said in a call with reporters on Tuesday. “China does have much more to lose than we do.”
In threatening tariffs on as much as $450 billion worth of Chinese goods, the administration is betting that Beijing will blink first. It’s a risky gamble by a White House that appears ready to forgo diplomatic negotiations in favor of punishing tariffs that could pinch consumers and companies on both sides of the Pacific.
The approach fulfills a frequent campaign promise by Mr. Trump. But it has spooked companies, investors and markets, which are increasingly worried that the United States has no other strategy to resolve a stalemate with China over its trade practices. Several rounds of trade talks with top Chinese officials in Washington and Beijing produced little agreement, and no additional official negotiations are scheduled, administration officials said.
On Tuesday, Mr. Trump suggested he was ready for a fight, saying China would no longer take advantage of the United States.“China has been taking out $500 billion a year out of our country and rebuilding China,” the president said during a speech in Washington before the National Federation of Independent Business. “They’ve taken so much. It’s time folks, it’s time. So we’re going to get smart, and we’re going to do it right.”
Markets sank on Tuesday in response to Mr. Trump’s announcement late Monday that his administration was preparing to impose even more tariffs than he originally threatened if China continued with its plan to retaliate against the United States. Mr. Trump is now threatening to tax nearly the total value of goods that China sent to the United States last year, which was $505.6 billion. The benchmark Dow Jones index, the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index and the tech-heavy Nasdaq composite all fell on Tuesday, following stock markets in Frankfurt, London, Paris, Hong Kong, Tokyo and mainland China. Investors moved money into assets that are considered safe havens, like 10-year United States Treasury bonds and the Japanese yen. Shares of Boeing and Caterpillar, which are among America’s leading exporters to China, fell sharply on Tuesday, along with soybean futures. China is the world’s largest importer of soybeans, a key livestock feed, and Beijing has targeted American soybeans for retaliation with its own tariffs.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby TKiran » 20 Jun 2018 14:58

g.sarkar wrote:Who will do the snatching? and why?
Gautam

US immigration and naturalization would snatch away my daughter and then me and my dependents who are not US citizen or GC would be let go to India or deported to India (if we refuse to go back to India, as my L1 or H1 is no more legally valid, I lost my job etc etc etc)

Isn't that what is happening at the Mexican border?

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 20 Jun 2018 16:13

TKiran - not sure as to what would happen, but it might be wise for you to get an OCI card for your daughter

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mihaylo » 20 Jun 2018 16:45

TKiran wrote:I have a question to gurus,

My daughter has American passport. She is studying in India happily. We didn't go to US after I returned to India.

Now if I come to US on H1 or on L1, and I loose job and want to return to India, will my daughter be snatched away from us?

Can she return to India? I have not changed her passport to Indian passport, as she has not lived in India for 15 years yet.


You are coming to the US legally and if you loose your H1/L1 status, you will have to return to India within the stipulated time. Else, there is a possibily that you will be detained for deportation proceedings, and during that detention, it is possible that the govt will have your daughter. When the parents are deported, since you guys are the legal guardian, you will take your kid back to India with you.

If your daughter is a minor, get a visa for your daughter for India. If you don't have a legal standing in the US, it is possible that you might run into difficulties trying to get a visa. Of course if she is not a minor, all of the above is moot.

Bottom line, don't break the law.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

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TKiran wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:Who will do the snatching? and why?
Gautam

US immigration and naturalization would snatch away my daughter and then me and my dependents who are not US citizen or GC would be let go to India or deported to India (if we refuse to go back to India, as my L1 or H1 is no more legally valid, I lost my job etc etc etc)
Isn't that what is happening at the Mexican border?

No Sir, that is not what is happening at the Mexican border, not at all. There Central American refugees are coming with their minor dependents and claiming political asylum at the border. In your case you are legally in the US, with your family. Even if you lose your status, you should be given time to wrap up your affairs and then return. As far as I know, the US rarely deports anyone to India, unless you are involved in criminal activities, such as drug dealing or into pimping for prostitutes. Then again you will be put before an immigration judge, who will review your case. If your daughter was born in the US, she has a life long claim to US citizenship, which she can do at a later date. I know at least two persons, one Indian and one African who claimed and obtained US citizenship as an adult just because of US birth. All you need is a birth certificate that denotes the place of birth. My suggestion to you is to approach an immigration lawyer to clear all your doubts and understand the options that are open to you. Lastly, do not sign anything that the ICE gives to you without the OK from your lawyer, as they love to get you to agree to leave the country voluntarily, then you do not see a judge, saving their time and money.
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby TKiran » 20 Jun 2018 17:33

Gautam sir, I just asked a hypothetical question that if I come to US with my family, what would happen? I am not a drug peddler.

Another hypothetical question...

Once my daughter turns 21, she can sponsor me for GC. After I become 60 years, I will get compulsory retirement in India. Now I become evil foreigner in US and take up a engineering job in US in order to rob American fresh engineering graduates of their stable job. I live upto 95 years effectively robbing genuine American engineering job for 35 years. At that time Trump like fellow comes to power, (assume that I am still 92 years when Trump 2 comes to power). What kind of legislation he can bring in order to deport me back to India so that he can make America great again?(at the age of 92 I still hold my Indian passport).

Actually lot of my seniors are hoping to emigrate to US After they retire and work in US. So this is a serious problem for US. Even if they create a lot of jobs they will be grabbed by Indian GC holders depriving American youth of their dreams. What can Trump do about it?

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 20 Jun 2018 17:38

It is possible that the govt can separate your kid from you, and deport you to India. This would be under extraordinary circumstances like your wife claiming you are taking kid to India (abduction).

Can she return to India? I have not changed her passport to Indian passport, as she has not lived in India for 15 years yet.


err..if you took her to US, you better have an OCI or an Indian visa handy for emergency situations. I had to dash to consulate to get an emergency visa for my then one year old, when FIL went to ICU...not fun!

US born kids living in India are stuck with US passport until they can go to local consulate and convince the officer to allow renunciation. And have Indian citizenship applied for in sync with the renunciation.

has anybody done this? some of our older R2Is will have kids in early teens...so this may come up in a few years.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 20 Jun 2018 17:41

g.sarkar wrote:No Sir, that is not what is happening at the Mexican border, not at all. There Central American refugees are coming with their minor dependents and claiming political asylum at the border.


what I am reading is - the guards at asylum entry tell the asylum seekers that the path/road (for legal entry for asylum seeker) is closed and ask them to come in via another approach and then detain them there for 'entering illegally'

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 20 Jun 2018 20:28

TKiran wrote: what would happen? I am not a drug peddler.


no? you look brown... and you're probably a moslum... anyhow you don't pray to no white church
you might be in that there MS-13 thang...
holdon... I better shoot ya just to be on the safe side...

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 20 Jun 2018 21:56

TKiran, You should deal with your problems with a lawyer.
Also need to get some fresh air.

Lalmohan, You don't know the laws in US. Why scare TKiran even in jest?

Follow Gus advice on the OCI thing.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 20 Jun 2018 22:07

Listened to Fresh Air with author David Sanger about his new book 'A Perfect Weapon'. Its about cyber clashes with Russia, NoKo, Iran and China. Off course won't reveal US attacks except in Stuxnet attack on Iran along with Israel.
Of all China seems to have comprehensive attack capability. They accessed Dept of Interior and got security clearance data on 21 M govt employees and contractors andbpit together big data analytics to build a comprehensive picture. In response US govt offered one year free credit check.

A lot of nice details. Suggest podcast.


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