Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby dinesha » 26 Jun 2018 14:32

India and Israel to finalise deal for 4500 Spike missiles worth USD 500 million, reports
http://www.opindia.com/2018/06/india-an ... n-reports/

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 26 Jun 2018 19:36

Famous last words! Our reliance on firang wares during the NDA-2 requires an audit to see what real improvement has taken place since the UPA-2.Nag has taken so long to arrive and not yet in series production that it has been
"Spiked" !

The DRDO/ DPSUs may have improved but not enough.
The attempts to sabotage Indian put. industry which would show up the DPSUs has had powerful backers in babudom.It is a disappointment that the P-75I sub deal meant for the pvt. sector is being hijacked by MDL who are at least 5 years overdue on Scorpene sub delivery not to mention huge cost over-runs.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Trikaal » 26 Jun 2018 20:53

dinesha wrote:India and Israel to finalise deal for 4500 Spike missiles worth USD 500 million, reports
http://www.opindia.com/2018/06/india-an ... n-reports/

HIT JOB ON NAG. Recently a photo was posted showing Nag being fired. India won't buy Spike, this is just a desperate attempt using paid journalism.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Shankk » 26 Jun 2018 21:07

Philip wrote:Our reliance on firang wares during the NDA-2 requires an audit to see what real improvement has taken place since the UPA-2.


This is for philip only. Others please ignore.

Reliance on "firang" only applies when the firangs are ruskies and what should be really audited is the allegiance of russophiles to India.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby mody » 27 Jun 2018 14:38

That's bout $75,000-100,000 per missile. Wonder what is the cost of the current Nag missile. Spike are to be used for Man Portable ATGM role. So the real comparison should be with the under development Man portable version of the Nag.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Vips » 27 Jun 2018 18:44

Shankk wrote:
Philip wrote:Our reliance on firang wares during the NDA-2 requires an audit to see what real improvement has taken place since the UPA-2.


This is for philip only. Others please ignore.

Reliance on "firang" only applies when the firangs are ruskies and what should be really audited is the allegiance of russophiles to India.


At the risk of going OT:

where is Natasha and Vodka when i need it the most :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby dinesha » 30 Jun 2018 11:59

Missile test project clears a major hurdle
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 283170.ece

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Austin » 30 Jun 2018 20:02

Details on Indian Hypersonic Program from Janes

http://www.janes.com/images/assets/297/ ... fences.pdf

Indian development


Organization of defense research and development of the Ministry of Defense of India DRDO has been engaged in the creation of hypersonic ground-based weapons for more than ten years. She achieved the greatest successes in the framework of the Shourya project, while the other two programs - BrahMos II K and HSTDV (Hypersonic Technology Demonstrating Vehicle) - are moving forward with greater problems.

The development of tactical hypersonic missile complex of the earth-earth class Shourya began in India in the 1990s. The range of the missile of this complex, according to some information, is 700 km and can be increased by the accuracy of striking - 20-30 m. The Shourya rocket can be launched from a launch container mounted on a mobile transport-loading PU 4x4, static platform or in a mine.

In the container version, a two-stage rocket is launched using a gas generator (GG) in which the corresponding burning rate of the fuel provides the high pressure necessary to push the rocket out of the container.

The flight of the 1st stage lasts for 60-90 s and for the subsequent work of the 2nd stage it is reset with the help of a small pyrotechnic device that acts as pitch and heading control motors.

The gas generator and engines developed by the high energy materials laboratory HEMRL (High Energy Materials Research Laboratory) and the Advanced Systems Laboratory of the DRDO organization accelerate the missile to a speed of M = 3.

The engines of all stages operate on a specially designed solid fuel, allowing to reach hypersonic speeds. The missile weighs 6.5 tons and can carry a high-explosive warhead weighing almost one ton or a 17-kiloton nuclear warhead.

The first ground tests of the Shourya rocket were carried out in 2004, and subsequent test launches in November 2008 at the Integrated Test Range (ITR) in Chandipur. During these tests, a speed of M = 5 and a range of 300 km was achieved.

Tests of the final configuration of the Shourya missile complex of land-based basing took place in September 2011. They became possible thanks to the ring laser gyroscope and accelerometer developed and integrated by the Research Center Imarat of DRDO organization.As stated, this prototype has improved characteristics, navigation and guidance system .With the installed on the 1st stage specially developed gyroscope, the maneuverability of the rocket and the accuracy of the impact increase.In the course of test launches from the mine, the rocket reached the speed M = 7.5, breaking the distance of 700 km at low altitude at the temperature of the ited to 700 piles S.

The Ministry of Defense of India reported that the latest tests of the Shourya complex took place in August 2016 at the ITR training ground. The flight took place at an altitude of 40 km, at a speed M = 7.5 and at a range of 700 km. The first 50 km rocket flew on a ballistic trajectory, and then went on a cruise hypersonic flight, maneuvering on the final stretch before hitting the target, the Ministry of Defense said.


At the DefExpo 2018 salon, officials told Jane's that the next version of the missile would be improved in the direction of increasing range. Its production will be mastered by Bharat Dynamics Limited, BDL. However, the management of BDL reported that it did not receive any instructions from DRDO on this issue. This suggests that the process of modernization of Shourya is still going on, but the information is not disclosed by DRDO.

In parallel, India and Russia are jointly developing the hypersonic cruise missile BrahMos-2 (K) within the BrahMos Aerospace JV. At the same time, DRDO is developing a HVRD for this missile. As reported in BrahMos Aerospace, the ground tests of the engine were successful. Also with the help of Russia, a special fuel is being developed that allows the missile to develop hypersonic speeds. No information about the project was disclosed, and at the "DefExpo-2018", sources familiar with the situation told Jane's that the works are at the preliminary design stage and it may take at least a decade before the real BrahMos-2 rocket appears.

Although the success of the BrahMos supersonic rocket line has been proven as part of their deployment in the arsenal of the Indian Armed Forces, the Indian Institute of Technologies, the Indian Institute of Sciences and Brahmos Aerospace are currently conducting large-scale studies on the development of materials that could be used in the "BRAHMOS-2" to resist the high aerodynamic and thermal loads associated with hypersonic speeds.

According to Kumar Mishra, General Director and Managing Director of BrahMos Aerospace JV, the Russian Zircon and BrahMos-2 missiles have unified engines and all technologies in the field of the power plant, while the guidance system, software, glider and MSA are developed separately for each of the products .BrahMos-2 is designed for a range of 450 km and a cruising speed of M = 7. Initially, the range was fixed at 290 km, as Russia is a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). Now India has also joined the MTCR, but is trying to increase the range. It is expected that the missile will be produced in air, land and ship-based versions, as well as in a configuration for launching from a submarine. DRDO plans to invest 250 million dollars to conduct flight tests of the missile at speeds M = 5.56 at sea level.

Meanwhile, the Indian HSTDV project, which uses the HVTD to demonstrate an autonomous sustainable flight, has encountered design difficulties. The GRDD technology is handled by DRDL's Defense Research and Development Laboratory (Defense Research and Development Laboratory). HSTDV is designed to fly at a speed of M = 6 at an altitude of 30 km for 20 using a launch vehicle. The design of the basic design of the gas compressor unit, including a glider and a docked engine, was completed in 2005. A major part of the aerodynamic tests was carried out by the Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), an aircraft construction company that is a member of the State Council for Scientific and Industrial Research.

In the NAL laboratory, the reduced HSTDV model, related to the air intake and extended aerodynamic conditions, was tested. In ADT, several tests were conducted on the transition of supersonic velocities to hypersonic ones by means of a combination of a shock wave and an expansion wave.

Meanwhile, the DRDL laboratory specializes in works in the field of materials, electrical and mechanical interfaces, and a state of emergency. The first basic HSTDV project was presented to the general public at a local conference in 2010, and at the Aeroindia 2011 exhibition in Bangalore. DRDO planned to build a full-scale prototype by 2016. However, due to the lack of funding for research in the field of hypersound, limited technologies and equipment, the project is progressing at a slow pace.

At the same time, the system aerodynamics, heat processes and characteristics of the LRTD are considered to be investigated within the framework of this project and a full-scale air-propulsion propulsion system is expected to provide thrust of 6 kN, which will allow launching satellites, as well as nuclear warheads, ballistic missiles and missiles, flying on a non-linear trajectory - for a longer range. The device is an octagonal structure with a mass of 1 t equipped with flight control stabilizers in the middle of the fuselage and deflected rudders in the tail section.

At the Terminal Ballistics Research Laboratory in Chandigar, tests are being carried out in the area of ​​critical technologies such as the combustion chamber of the SHVRD and the separation of panels. DRDO expects to create hypersonic ADTs for HSTDV tests, but the equipment necessary for this is available in very limited quantities and is very expensive.

With the advent of modern integrated missile defense systems that promote the development of an anti-access / area denial zone (A2 / AD), the world's armed forces have begun to explore the potential of hypersonic weapons to counteract A2 / AD and causing rapid regional or global strikes . In the late 2000s, defense programs began to focus on hypersonic weapons as a global weapons strike system. Since then, the military has been looking for ever-increasing resources in the development of these technologies, and geopolitical competition in this area is steadily growing.

In the case of hypersonic ground-based weapons, especially launched outside the enemy's air defenses, the optimal and less risky launch options are the currently available standard launchers-either mobile for ground-to-ground or ground-to-air weapons, or mine for say strikes middle or intercontinental range, experts say Jane's.


Подробнее на ТАСС:
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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 01 Jul 2018 08:04

India says "up yours", to the US with the DAC approving the S-400 deal with some slight " modifications" a day after the US canned the "2+2" meetings with India.
Now that the deal has crossed the final hurdle , the decks are clear to a signing anytime, officially perhaps when Pres.Putin comes-a-visiting year end.

So now the ball is in the US court to sanction India or not.The strings are rapidly unravelling the painstakingly crafted tapestry woven over many years in improving Indo- US relations.Though some might think that we are dyed-in-the-wool Russophiles, good Indo-US relations are vital too.A pity.It's downhill from now on.


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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Vips » 01 Jul 2018 16:48

India's most potent missile Agni-V to be inducted soon.

The missile system, with a strike range of 5,000 km and capable of carrying nuclear warhead, are being inducted into the elite Strategic Forces Command (SFC), official sources said.

They said a series of user trials are being conducted before the country's most sophisticated weapon is handed over to the SFC.

Last month, Agni-V was successfully test-fired off the Odisha coast and the sources said a number of other pre-induction tests are being planned in the next few weeks.

"It is a strategic asset which will act as a deterrent. We are at the fag end of the strategic project," said an official, who is part of the Agni-V programme.

He said it is the most advanced weapon in its series as it has latest technologies for navigation and its capability of carrying nuclear warhead is much superior.

The first batch of Agni-V will be handed over to the SFC "soon", the sources said while declining to elaborate further on the closely-guarded defence project.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nvishal » 01 Jul 2018 18:48

Great to see that price negotiations for 5 squadrons of s400 system has ended. The PMO now has to sign the contract and I hope it happens soon and I hope the first squadron is stationed in kashmir

btw, 5 squadrons means 40 launchers and
560 missiles

china is acquiring six squadrons

If we station one squadron in kashmir, one in arunachal, that leaves one for mumbai, one for Delhi and one for? Somewhere in south probably

Hopefully, the DRDO can integrate Indian ballistic missiles into the S400 radar

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More from RT

India’s defense council approves S-400 deal
“The acquisition of this technology will limit [...] the degree with which the United States will feel comfortable in bringing additional technology” US armed services committee chairman Mac Thornberry said back in May, noting that there is also concern that “any country that acquires the system will complicate the ability of interoperability” with US forces.

The proliferation of S-400 across the globe has made Washington extremely worried about the growing anti-access and area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities of sovereign nations, and even NATO allies. Some lawmakers even argued that integration of Russian technology by US allies might compromise US “technology secrets”. In addition to India, Turkey has faced immense pressure to back down from the deal to purchase the state-of-the-art defense systems.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby mody » 02 Jul 2018 15:18

nvishal wrote:Great to see that price negotiations for 5 squadrons of s400 system has ended. The PMO now has to sign the contract and I hope it happens soon and I hope the first squadron is stationed in kashmir

btw, 5 squadrons means 40 launchers and
560 missiles

china is acquiring six squadrons


China has acquired 6 Batteries and not 6 squadrons. We are planning to acquire 5 squadrons, with 2 batteries each, so a total of 10 batteries.
However, the exact composition of the batteries can vary from customer to customer, as there are 4 different missiles on offer.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby John » 02 Jul 2018 21:17

^ Source for this last I read it was regiments not batteries. Even the recent delivery news was for first of 6 regiment being successful delivered to China.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Prem Kumar » 02 Jul 2018 23:21

The Chinese also have S-300s + its reverse-engineered HQ variants

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby John » 03 Jul 2018 00:10

Russia likely supplied that tech under the table but later on claimed China reverse engineered. Don't be surprised if S-400 roll out the Chinese factories at fraction of a cost before Russia finishes all deliveries of S-400 to India.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby kit » 03 Jul 2018 02:58

John wrote:Russia likely supplied that tech under the table but later on claimed China reverse engineered. Don't be surprised if S-400 roll out the Chinese factories at fraction of a cost before Russia finishes all deliveries of S-400 to India.


and transferred to COP .. China occupied pakistan

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 03 Jul 2018 04:11

mody wrote:
nvishal wrote:Great to see that price negotiations for 5 squadrons of s400 system has ended. The PMO now has to sign the contract and I hope it happens soon and I hope the first squadron is stationed in kashmir

btw, 5 squadrons means 40 launchers and
560 missiles

china is acquiring six squadrons


China has acquired 6 Batteries and not 6 squadrons. We are planning to acquire 5 squadrons, with 2 batteries each, so a total of 10 batteries.
However, the exact composition of the batteries can vary from customer to customer, as there are 4 different missiles on offer.


No, we are acquiring 5 batteries aka firing units.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 03 Jul 2018 04:12

John, Std Committee on Defense, notes five firing units for S-400.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 03 Jul 2018 05:46

KaranM, What does that mean?
Difference between battery and firing unit?

Why can't they use standard nomenclature!

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Indranil » 03 Jul 2018 20:08

John wrote:Russia likely supplied that tech under the table but later on claimed China reverse engineered. Don't be surprised if S-400 roll out the Chinese factories at fraction of a cost before Russia finishes all deliveries of S-400 to India.

Whether Russia supplied the tech or Chinese really reverse engineer it, we can be sure of Chinese knockoffs in the next 5 years.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 04 Jul 2018 07:24

ramana wrote:KaranM, What does that mean?
Difference between battery and firing unit?

Why can't they use standard nomenclature!



In IAF nomenclature, based on standard deployment of Pechora now carried over for Akash and Barak, a squadron has two firing units. Each FU is nothing but a self contained battery, with its own missiles, reloaders, guidance radar, command and control system. However, at the squadron level, you have a 3D surveillance radar and a command and control system to guide the individual batteries. Plus centralized maintenance and logistics vehicles.

So we are buying 2.5 squadron's worth of S-400. However, I suspect to make these systems more independent, IAF will get the centralized surveillance radars and C3I plus other specialized units for each battery aka firing unit itself.

A S-400 central command unit can control upto 6-8 batteries.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nachiket » 05 Jul 2018 07:28

Karan M wrote:A S-400 central command unit can control upto 6-8 batteries.

Thanks. So a follow on order for more firing units could be much cheaper than this one, since we won't be buying the radar and c&c equipment?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 05 Jul 2018 07:32

All depends on the degree of autonomy we want. Also, C3I centers for mobile SAMs cant be used (usually) as a central node for a nationwide network, they are tactically dispersed over a certain area. In short our batteries may be more autonomous, come with their own surveillance radar and also, we may buy several sets of the C3I units as well to actually control just 1-2 batteries each.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby dinesha » 05 Jul 2018 15:50

THE RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF MISSILES
-Pravin Sawhney

The Agni series of ballistic missiles has matured with a few add-ons. However, since global technologies have moved strides ahead, the Agni-V no longer serves the original purpose of deterrence

India’s 5,000-km range Agni-V surface-to-surface ballistic missile is expected to be inducted into the Strategic Force Command soon. This is the latest version of the Agni series of ballistic missiles which was launched 34 years ago as Agni technology demonstrator in 1984. The then envisaged technology, with a few add-ons, has matured.

However, since global technologies have moved strides ahead, the Agni-V — contrary to claims made by the scientists — no longer serves the original purpose of deterrence. Especially for China against whom it would be fielded. It has, thus, been reduced to an expensive showpiece.

Deterrence means that the adversary, in this case China, should be cautious if not scared of Agni-V. It should desist from military activism on the disputed border for fear of escalation which might go out of control culminating into a nuclear exchange.

Given this, it becomes evident that deterrence comes by creating strategic imbalance: By owning a weapon system which the adversary does not have and one which is capable of damaging the adversary’s core military strength, or which takes the war to a higher or new level for which the adversary is not prepared.

Two examples, one each from Pakistan and China, will help clarify the essence of deterrence. Subsequent to India’s 1998 nuclear tests, the United States, in order to prevent a subcontinental nuclear arms race, was keen that Pakistan should not follow suit; various inducements ranging from financial doles to F-16 aircraft to whatever else was up for discussion with Pakistan.

The Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was so stunned that he refused a meeting with the US interlocutors Strobe Talbott and Central Command chief, General Anthony Zinni. He simply did not know how to respond. At that point, the Pakistan Army Chief, General Jehangir Karamat met the US team; after listening to them patiently, he told them that Pakistan would do its own nuclear tests to restore the strategic balance.

Since India had demonstrated nuclear weapons capability, Pakistan would need to do the same, he added. General Karamat was proved right as within hours of India’s nuclear tests, the then deputy Prime Minister LK Advani boasted that Pakistan would now have to re-think on Kashmir.

Take China’s case. It cannot match the US in either conventional war-fighting platforms or in the range and variety of nuclear weapons. There is a huge gap in the finances that the two spend on developing technologies and annual defence allocations.

So, instead of attempting to match US capabilities aircraft carrier for aircraft carrier, China has focussed on developing asymmetric warfare capabilities (a) to hit and destroy US’ existing state-of-art weapon platforms, like the aircraft carrier and so on, and (b) by attempting to catch up, if not outdo the US in newer domains like cyber, space, electromagnetic spectrum and psychological warfare. By doing so, China has created deterrence through strategic imbalance vis-à-vis the US, a much more powerful adversary.

China has developed rockets as anti-satellite weapons; laser pulses to disrupt satellite communication; accurate land and sea-based anti-ship cruise missiles to hit carriers and ocean-going ships; a large number of conventional and nuclear attack submarines (accounting for 45 per cent of its naval combatants); excellent cyber warfare capabilities, largest numbers of armed unmanned aerial vehicles and so on. More than anything else, the race for Artificial Intelligence (AI) in warfare has broken out between China and the US.

On nuclear weapons, since China cannot match the US, it has declared a no-first-use policy. Making virtue out of necessity, China has said that it will not enter the nuclear arms race; it would only maintain limited stocks of nukes which are being upgraded and modernised. China, like other major powers, is aware that sooner rather than later AI weapons (which are useable) would take over the role of strategic deterrence from nuclear weapons once fully autonomous weapons are introduced into inventories. An interesting book titled, Army of None: Autonomous Weapons and the Future of War, by Paul Scharre provides insight into where the global AI is headed.

Chinese new deterrence has rattled the US. The US President Donald Trump has recently ordered the creation of a new Space Force; the sixth joint command for the US Armed Forces. This move would militarise the space but it might ensure that Chinese capabilities to disrupt and destroy US’ communications, which are the lifeline for their stand-off operations, remain mitigated.

Given all this, where does Agni-V fit into the warfare with China? Nowhere. For one, nothing more than a limited border war between India and China is envisaged. For another, given Chinese existing conventional capabilities, it has little need to even threaten a nuclear exchange. India, which like China, has a no-first-use policy, would ensure that Agni-V in not brought into the war discourse.

Pakistan’s case is different. It matches the Indian military at the decisive operational (war-fighting) level of war and it has an ambiguous nuclear weapons policy. While no military planner on either side envisages a nuclear exchange, India needs to retain land-based, in addition to the ultimate sea-based, deterrence against Pakistan. The Agni-I, with a range of 700 km, which covers Pakistan’s entire elongated geography, should suffice.

Thus, as far as the Agni series is concerned, except for the Agni-I, all other missiles, namely, Agni-II, Agni-III, Agni-IV, Agni-V, and even the obsolete liquid-fuelled Prithvi should be gradually eased out keeping pace with the induction of newer technologies. These comprise cruise missiles, sea-based deterrence, armed unmanned aerial vehicles, stand-off and precision weapons. Concurrently, research in space, cyber and AI weapons for the future should be redoubled.

This will not be easy for two reasons. One, there is an inherent tendency in the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to claim technologies they have not produced as indigenous. Two points will help make this point: The carbon-to-carbon composite heat shield in all ballistic missiles (used in Agni-V which re-enters the atmosphere from space at temperature of 4,000 degree centigrade to ensure systems in payload remain safe), which is a critical technology, as well as the propulsion used in the Nirbhaya subsonic cruise missile are procured from a friendly country.

The other problem is the setting of unrealistic targets by the Defence Ministry. For example, the 2018 draft Defence Production Policy envisages India to become a leading world player in AI and autonomous weapon systems by 2025; seven years hence. This target seems to have been borrowed from China’s Vision-2025. Surely, the Government does not believe that we are in the same league.

(The writer is editor, FORCE newsmagazine)

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby uddu » 05 Jul 2018 16:16

Propaganda article. What's required is more Agni-VI and Agni-VIII.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 05 Jul 2018 17:37

Hasn't that guy written some awful articles in the past? ( Sawhney). He had to take a jibe at DRDO even for the carbon carbon heat shield, which was developed by them. There's a case for phasing out Prithvi, though it has performed well in all the recent tests- but Agni-2,3,4 and 5 should remain. Is there any talk in the armed forces, about ending the Agni programmes?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Jul 2018 17:54

^^ In PS' case shoot the messenger or blow the messenger is the right approach. What he missed out (possibly intentionally) is
1. fast tracking of programmes to achieve100% self-sufficiency in missile tech.
2. Gradual progress of Nirbhay missile
3. Without Agni 5, china knew that we did not have a mechanism to hit their eastern seaboard
4. While not ignoring the H/w part a lot of AI related work is s/w too, and India has the size and talent to scale and move up pretty fast. The only problem I see is absence of a concerted effort at a rapid pace
@uddu:
Wasnt Agni VI named Surya long back? I remember reading Surya name in early 90s in an India today article on IGMP. It hasn't been heard since then

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby uddu » 05 Jul 2018 18:24

Surya never existed. It was again propaganda by NPA (Non-proliferation Non proliferation Ayatollah's) in the 1990's against India.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Jul 2018 18:51

^^at that time even Agni 4, and 5 didnt exist to speak of. I doubt this is all smoke

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby pankajs » 05 Jul 2018 21:08

dinesha wrote:THE RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF MISSILES
-Pravin Sawhney

Given this, it becomes evident that deterrence comes by creating strategic imbalance: By owning a weapon system which the adversary does not have and one which is capable of damaging the adversary’s core military strength, or which takes the war to a higher or new level for which the adversary is not prepared.

The whole fart is a fraud .. where to begin .. Just think on the highlighted part for a moment.

"strategic imbalance" creates deterrence ... Really!!

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby dinesha » 07 Jul 2018 13:04

What makes Russian S-400 system different?
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With India inching closer to strike the Rs 39,000-crore S-400 Triumf air defence anti-ballistic missile systems from Russia, TIP takes a look at what makes this lethal package different.
As being reported by the team earlier, the recent approval by the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) to go with the S-400 (NATO name: SA-21 Growler), however, has the United States fuming.
If the $5.5 billion deal goes through without any further hitches, then India will receive S-400 battery with four transporter erector launchers (TELs), four launch tubes for each TEL and fire control radar systems. In addition, there are sub-systems that will be part of this big ticket package.

Russian experts tell TIP that S-400 can hunt not only high-flying ballistic missiles but also targets operating at low heights with changing trajectories and varying speeds.
They claim that their competitor THAAD, despite being a renowned anti-ballistic missile defence system, might not be of much use for air-to-surface missiles and fighters as it uses infrared seekers that warm up in the thicker layers of endoatmoshphere.

“Thus, THAAD might be a perfect defence means for South Korea with an imminent ballistic threat from its Northern neighbour, but definitely not for India who has its primary security threats potentially coming from lower flying missiles, planes and even drones,” says an expert.

He claimed that while engaging and destroying aviation targets S-400 hardly has any adequate comparable analogy today.
“It can locate targets at 600 km and shoot a missile at a distance of up to 400 km while the Patriot flies its missiles at no more than 160 km. It is evident that the earlier air-defence system can detect and destroy the target the safer it is,” adds another expert.

In terms of the lowest and highest possible target, an air defence system can capture, its makers say the S-400 is unrivalled today.

Here are some of the unique features of S-400.

* It can down targets flying as low as 10 meters and as high as 30 km.
* Can engage with 72 targets simultaneously.
* System is fully self-reliant in terms of detection and engagement and is equipped with additional radars for stealth targets.
* Has higher destruction probability. For ballistic targets, S-400 claims almost 0,9 (almost same is for THAAD) and for aerodynamic targets, it has a destruction rate as high as 0,99.

“S-400’s recent performance in Syria showed how effective it can be in the desert and on various types of landscapes, which led to a queue of countries with similar weather conditions namely the Persian Gulf states that wish to acquire it,” says the expert.

Interestingly, Patriots weak links were exposed during the Iraq War of the 90s, which had resulted in the Dharan base tragedy.
“It is a known fact that almost half of the Patriots launched had missed their targets during Iraq War. Poor efficiency of the Patriot may in some cases be explained by the fact that it is affected by extremely hot weather and sandy soil,” he claimed.
Experts say the more accurate the system is and the less prone it is to outer factors (be it weather or jamming) the fewer missiles it has to fly to perform the job.

“To down an incoming ballistic missile, we need to fire lesser missiles from S-400 as compared to other systems,” the official adds.

They say THAAD, being a ballistic missile defence system, or the Patriot as an air defence system will not substitute S-400 on a stand-alone basis. And vise-versa, S-400 has ample capabilities to make India safer from any potential threats from either side of its Northern border be it a missile, ballistic missile, plane or a drone,” says the official.

Earlier this year, Russia delivered the first regimental set of S-400s to China, who had placed an order in 2014 for six systems, estimated at $3 billion.

(With inputs from reporters at TIP, Tarmak007 Internship Programme.)

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Kakarat » 07 Jul 2018 16:24

Multiple types of BrahMos missile under development

Different kind of BrahMos missile is under development, said MD and CEO of BrahMos Aerospace, Sudhir Mishra in Vadodara on Saturday. The missile with vertical trajectory to be used in mountains and also for anti-aircraft carrier roles will soon be ready. A lighter version of air-launched BrahMos is at a drawing board stage, he said.

The BrahMos missile system is continuously being reinvented to be used across multiple platforms, different trajectory and different targets as guided by India's 'Missile Man' and former President Dr APJ Abdul Kalam, Mishra said during the inauguration of second manufacturing line of L&T Defence at Ranoli near Vadodara. The unit manufactures canisters and airframes for BrahMos missile, being launched from land and sea.

"Recently, we had demonstrated the vertical dive capability for BrahMos missile. This can be used against enemies hidden in mountains particularly in bunkers and also against aircraft carriers. While China has nuclear DF 21 missiles to be used against aircraft carriers, ours will be conventional missiles. BrahMos missile is offering tremendous capabilities," said Mishra.

Another major area where capabilities are being increased is the accuracy of missiles. It has improved from 30 metre to 10 metre and now the target is one metre, he said. He also said a new lighter version of air-launched BrahMos is at a drawing board stage. The current air-launched missile is launched from specialized Su 30 MKI fighter aircrafts. The newer one is designed for lighter platforms like Mig 29 or even India's indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) - Tejas. Efforts are being made to increase the range of missile from 290 kilometre to 415 km and even beyond, he said.

BrahMos is one of its kind of cruise missile anywhere in the world, which can fly at a speed three times that of sound (Mach 3), can be launched from land, air and sea. The naval version can be launched from both ships and submarine. It can be used against targets on land and in the sea. A combination of the trajectory of the missile and speed gives it stealth-like capability making it difficult being detected by a RADAR and therefore being intercepted by anti-missile systems.

Mishra said that orders are pouring in from Indian armed forces and Indian companies like L&T should grab the opportunity to cater to increasing orders. Inquiries are also coming from foreign buyers but it is up to the central government to decide whom we should sell this unique weapon. As of now Indian armed forces are the only ones to use this missile.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby shaun » 07 Jul 2018 17:22

^^^But brahmos have sub-meter accuracy

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Vips » 07 Jul 2018 20:34

Advanced Brahmos missile to hit enemy hidden in bunkers behind mountains.

In order to target enemy bunkers hidden behind mountain ranges, an advanced version of the supersonic BrahMos missile is being developed that will have a “near vertical trajectory,” said Dr Sudhir K Mishra, CEO & MD, BrahMos Aerospace on Saturday. The new capability will be tested in 2019.

“Early we used to go for a simple trajectory or a cruise trajectory against a ship. We said, why not make it a vertical dive trajectory and we came out with a vertical dive. Now we are working for a near vertical trajectory that would be very effective against the enemy hidden behind mountains. Not only hidden, but hidden in bunkers behind the mountains,” Mishra said while speaking on the sidelines of a function organised by L&T Defence at Ranoli in Gujarat.

“Two years ago, we conducted a 65-degree steep dive for the missile. We have partly demonstrated the capability and such systems are already getting inducted into the Indian Armed forces. They are already under delivery. What I am talking about is a near vertical dive capability of 90 degrees, which will be able to engage various kinds of targets. This capability we will be testing sometime next year,” he added.

The official from BrahMos Aerospace said that the missile will climb to about 14 kilometers before taking a steep dive. The agency is also developing a lighter version of the missile. “We have conducted a flight test of the air version from Sukoi aircraft… We are working on a drawing board a smaller Brahmos which can be used by LCA or by other aircraft. There is no firm design or order now, but it will be a completely new weapon system and it will take few years to develop,” he added.

Brahmos currently has a range of 300 kilometers and it has been tested for a range of about 415 kilometers. Talking about the indigenisation of the BrahMos missile, Mishra said that about 72 per cent of the missile has been indigenised and the accuracy of the missile has improved from 30-meter to sub-meter accuracy. The Army has inducted three Brahmos regiments, while a dozen ships of Indian Navy are armed with this missile. The IAF has also inducted the land version of the missile, while the air version is expected to be inducted by November this year.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby pankajs » 07 Jul 2018 22:43

Anantha Krishnan M @writetake 5h5 hours ago

1. L&T Defence, an industry partners of #BrahMosAerospace, today opened a new production line for Transport Launch Canister (TLC) at Ranoli, Vadodara to cater to the serial production requirements of #BrahMos supersonic cruise missile system. 1/4

2. #BrahMos has created a robust ecosystem of indigenous defence manufacturing and integration, thus reinforcing and realising the long-cherished dream of self-reliance in this critical sector. -- Dr @sudhirmishraone, CEO #BrahMos

3. Been associated with development of #BrahMos project for close to 2 decades. Our products have successfully passed applicable qualification tests, we have started delivering these articles under serial production mode. - Jayant Patil, L&T Defence

4. BrahMos has been integrated with L&T-manufactured Composite Airframes and two different versions of Transport Launch Canister (TLC). L&T Defence has successfully completed the realisation of Composite Airframes for the tactical missile.
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Composite Airframe or TLC??

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 08 Jul 2018 10:53

Near vertical dive Brahmos will be even more useful in airborne versions to take out command bunjers, hangers, silos etc.
IAF will be looking for them.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby John » 10 Jul 2018 02:07

“S-400’s recent performance in Syria showed how effective it can be in the desert and on various types of landscapes, which led to a queue of countries with similar weather conditions namely the Persian Gulf states that wish to acquire it,” says the expert.


What exactly did Russia S-400 do Syria other being deployed and having some pics taken of it? So far it has never done anything in combat, Syrian S-300 and Pantsyr have failed to shoot down any missiles to date either.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby sum » 14 Jul 2018 17:32

In case junta has not watched the RSTV programme on Agni 5, pls do on YouTube.

Gen Saxena of SFC mentions many interesting things:

A3 has CEP of 40m and range of 5k
A5 has range of 8k but not yet tested till that
MIRV has been factored in since A2 and isnt something new
The tracking system given by China to TSP is superior to anything India has and very vital for MIRV development. So they are ahead of us on that front

Watch it all

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 14 Jul 2018 18:33

NS has stated that the S-400 deal is in its " conclusive" stage and Russia and India have a very long history in defence partnership, long before CAASTA which is a US not UN sanction protocol.Secondly COMCASA has yet to be worked out to India's satisfaction.

So the S-400 deal is to be sealed regardless of the US threat! Moreover, this system protects the entire Russian territory along with earlier potent systems like the S-300.
The official signing is likely to be done with other deals during Putin's visit.


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