Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

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ramana wrote:National Disaster term is used in US. The US President has to declare national disaster in order to authorize federal aid to the state. Its all about State and Federal rights.

No such law/thing is there in India.
Also CBN's mind and son are mostly in US all the time. So he might be mistake to think US law applies to India.
Rahul Gandhi is a cretin* so no need to consider his barks.


*Fool<idiot<moron<Cretin
cbn knows all the rules and regulations very well.

his overwhelming desire is to damage the GoI to the maximum possible extent just like all the other "aspirants" for the PM's gaddi, post 2019.

A simple google search will show the fact that there is no national disaster in India. L3 is as close as it gets.

pappu and the congis also know this.
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Sachin wrote: Malayalam media had deliberately tried to start a misinformation campaign; KL would have to pay for the rice supply which is coming from GoI. It took Ram Vilas Paswan to confirm that no such thing would be done. KL would get one month's ration (may extend to three months) free of cost. The real venomous creatures - the main stream media - in the state has now come out after the floods are over.
Not their fault actually, there was a letter stating that from union ministry...
The letter sent to Food and Safety department, the Union Food ministry informed that the rice is not free and the State will have to give Rs 233 crore to the Centre.

Kerala can accept the deal within one month. Rs 25 will be charged per kilo gram. If Kerala fails to pay the cost, the State will be excluded from schemes under Food Safety Act or the amount will be debited from National Disaster Relief Fund,” the letter.
Anyway, after the hungama, Union Minister Ram Vilas Paswan has said money will not be charged for the rice Centre would be sending to Kerala as a flood relief material.

There is a deliberate attempt to create a rift between centre and southern states, right now Kerala. Each action by centre is scruitised to no end to see if anything can spun to suit this agenda - a step-motherly attitude of center towards kerala.

Currently trending after rice story, is the aid of Rs. 700 crores by UAE being prevented by GOI on the basis of existing policy set by UPA. Let us watch and see whether GOI will succumb to pressure....
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vinod wrote:
Sachin wrote: Malayalam media had deliberately tried to start a misinformation campaign; KL would have to pay for the rice supply which is coming from GoI. It took Ram Vilas Paswan to confirm that no such thing would be done. KL would get one month's ration (may extend to three months) free of cost. The real venomous creatures - the main stream media - in the state has now come out after the floods are over.
Not their fault actually, there was a letter stating that from union ministry...
The letter sent to Food and Safety department, the Union Food ministry informed that the rice is not free and the State will have to give Rs 233 crore to the Centre.

Kerala can accept the deal within one month. Rs 25 will be charged per kilo gram. If Kerala fails to pay the cost, the State will be excluded from schemes under Food Safety Act or the amount will be debited from National Disaster Relief Fund,” the letter.
Anyway, after the hungama, Union Minister Ram Vilas Paswan has said money will not be charged for the rice Centre would be sending to Kerala as a flood relief material.

There is a deliberate attempt to create a rift between centre and southern states, right now Kerala. Each action by centre is scruitised to no end to see if anything can spun to suit this agenda - a step-motherly attitude of center towards kerala.

Currently trending after rice story, is the aid of Rs. 700 crores by UAE being prevented by GOI on the basis of existing policy set by UPA. Let us watch and see whether GOI will succumb to pressure....
cui bono?? who benefits??

Only the jehadi elements from among the rolers and ropers and of course the commies.
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The 700cr UAE aid will likely be channeled through Islamic aid networks and will be used to rebuild homes of muslims that were effected by flood.
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as per DD a tanker ship loaded with 50,000t of crude has been sent to cochin refinery to meet immediate needs.
some petrol stations have opened (long queues).

a do228 has landed in kannur airport with a navy diver team to fix the water supply plant.

various navy teams are helping SEB to troubleshoot and repair electric transmission eqpt.
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vinod wrote:Not their fault actually, there was a letter stating that from union ministry...
What was the case in previous disasters? Was it that such stuff was given free of cost? Or did those state have some good State Disaster Management funds which could take the costs? Or were those states able to be self reliant on food materials? Kerala may not have much funds of her own in the SDMA, and the financial position is also not that great. So looks like a 100% no strings attached reimbursement (by cash please) is what the state government wants.
There is a deliberate attempt to create a rift between centre and southern states, right now Kerala. Each action by centre is scruitised to no end to see if anything can spun to suit this agenda - a step-motherly attitude of center towards kerala.
This is nothing but an attempt of a financially broken state to get the maximum funds, with no questions asked later. The common people too seems to have a feeling (perhaps deliberately allowed to set in); that they are all supposed to get some liquid cash which evil Modi & Co are blocking. People are also looking for some good cash (good - as defined by them, not on some benchmarking) from some one else, and hoping that this money would help them get back 100% to their earlier life style. I don't think these unrealestic expectations can ever be met.
chetak wrote:Only the jehadi elements from among the rolers and ropers and of course the commies.
Precisely. The commies are like petty thieves, who generally do not have any long term vision. Pick pockets, rob, do petty thefts & bit of extortion would keep them happy. The Jehadis are in this big time. Infact the high volume cry of "UAE gave us 700 crores" is coming from that quarters only. Their plans are much more detailed and with a long term in mind. The plan is to get maximum funds, which they can exploit.
nvishal wrote:The 700cr UAE aid will likely be channeled through Islamic aid networks and will be used to rebuild homes of muslims that were effected by flood.
Most likely. The 700 crores for all you know would be the seed funds for setting up another Kashmir, in South India. Every person may benefit (in bits and pieces) but on a long term we can take a guess on who would be the sufferers.

PS: I spent more time on stuff like Facebook & WhatsApp today, not for any rescue work but understanding and if possible countering the cheap propoganda being spun by a section of Keralites. I know there are people in this forum, like hnair,Dileep etc. who have been on ground zero, and done much more than me. But today I got a feeling that I should have helped* Coorg District, Karnataka a bit more. Apologies if this hurts any one.

* My help was not that great; some desk job & little relief material collection work, but I had that proud feeling of doing some thing for KL.
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iaf is putting a lot of cargo haulers in, leaving the Il76 for essential tasks in the north.
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yelehanka based An32 are lifting a iaf field hospital
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panchayat level 'bucket collections' in various flood affected locations underway to purchase pressure washers w/engines.

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Sachin,
Seeing that its relief effort focus now, and the CPM cadres propensity to siphon of the funds, should we continue to support the CMDRF?

Also do we know which districts were most affected by the rains and floods in
1) Kerala and
2) Kodagu

GD looking at the airlift cargo looks like trains and roads are mostly gone?


Is there a need for a special coordinator for the relief operations now that the rescue is tapering?
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From Whatsapp

State Report as of 21st August from Seva Bharathi
Total 85,000 volunteers engaged in the rescue & rehabilitation work (65000 Men and 20,000 women)
Total camps run by the government is 3965 as on 21st August 2018, out of this 150 camps are directly maintained by Sevabharathi having 50 volunteers in each rest of the camp has 20 volunteers.
3 warehouses functioning at Trivandrum, Kasargod, and Palakkad as the collection center for Kerala Flood and Landslide reliefs.
15 warehouses in each district including sub-centers to collect the grocery, clothes, sanitation materials, medicines, household items etc. Total 210 centers
25,000 volunteers directly engaged in sanitation work in the affected areas
150 boats, 70 ambulance and 300 vehicles deployed for relief and rescue activities
Mostly affected districts are Alappuzha, Pathanamthitta, Ernakulam, Thrissur, Malappuram, Palakkad and Wayanad
1. 20 Crore amount utilized till date for the relief work
More than 70 thousand people rescued directly by Sevabharathi
24 hours State level help desk service working in state headquarters at Thrissur and in 14 District headquarter

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These folks are in US and can donate to them.
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In any other country this would be considered criminal and top officials would be facing execution:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-45243868


I am not a fan of BBC but in this case they agree with my prejudiced conclusions so I have to agree:
Officials and experts, even the world-reputed Ulan Bator Conspiracy and News Nutworks, have said the floods in Kerala - which has 44 rivers flowing through it - would not have been so severe if authorities had gradually released water from at least 30 dams.

"This could have been avoided if the dam operators had started releasing water in advance rather than waiting for dams to be filled up, when they have no alternative but to release water," said Himanshu Thakkar, a water expert at the South Asia Network on Dams, Rivers and People... it was only when the floods peaked last week that water from more than 80 dams was released.
"It is clear that major dams in the state - like Idukki and Idamalayar - only released water when Kerala was in the throes of heavy flooding, which actually proved to add further misery to the situation," Mr Thakkar said,

He added that dam operators had had sufficient time to release water when it was relatively dry, which could have helped prevent some of the damage.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/k ... 2018-08-22
In 1961, it rained 50 per cent more than normal. A 40 per cent excess rainfall was recorded in Kerala in 1923.
This year's rainfall in Kerala from June to August 21 has crossed 41 per cent excess than normal. The season's average rainfall in Kerala is 2093 mm. Up to August 21, rainfall was over 2387 mm.
These figures are likely to change with 40 days of monsoon still left.
In 1924, Kerala received 3000 mm of rainfall which is the highest till now.
Question:
What do they plan to do next year? Get a bigger begging bowl and go to the UN, World Bank, UNHCR, Amnesty International, Communist Party of China?

Yeah, it rained hard, but ppl are supposed to get smarter, not stupider, with the passage of time. I am depressed at the absence of outrage among Malloos at their criminal netaship.
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First they are in being rescued mode and then relief mode.
Later comes the scapegoat mode.
For a while blame TN and SC mode was going on early.
Give some time for the relief to happen.

Any insight into which districts were hit the hardest?
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nvishal wrote:The 700cr UAE aid will likely be channeled through Islamic aid networks and will be used to rebuild homes of muslims that were effected by flood.
What Nonsense!!!!....Kuch bhi!!...
The aid announced by UAE is towards the Chief minsisters relief fund..Just because you dont like some people, it doesnt mean whatever they do is part of some conspiracy..

And to those who think that the public is itching to revolt against the commies (regardless of how much i hate that wretched party), you should know that from ground zero, people are grateful to the state govt, the fishermen, the armed forces and the rest of the country for rushing to its help in such a calamitous event...In fact, its been a big PR disaster for the BJP even among the hindus...and how would i know?.because my folks and family are spread in Alappuzha and Chengannur, the worst hit areas...
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jpremnath, Thanks for the feedback about UAE contribution.

So Alappuzha and Chengannur are the worst affected areas. What other places are affected?

OK Hindu has an op-ed

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One striking feature of the nerve-wracking exercise for everyone involved was the absence of mud-slinging, particularly between the political leaderships at the Centre and in the State.

The Chief Minister was in daily communication with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh, and Defence Minister Nirmala Sitaraman, and all three showed that politics could wait in the face of a calamity of gargantuan dimensions. At a time when Leader of the Opposition Ramesh Chennithala was speaking critically of the State government's refusal to hand over the entire operation to the Army, the Prime Minister and Home Minister were openly appreciative of the work being done in the State, and liberal with their release of resources to meet the immediate needs.

This was the biggest rescue operation carried out by the National Disaster Response Force (NDRF). The mobilisation by the Army, Navy and Air Force were equally massive and appropriate to the situation.

The Army mobilised as many as 15 columns of its personnel, 36 Engineering Technical Force (ETF) groups, 12 medical teams and one Special Forces team; the Navy moved in with 223 rescue and four medical teams; the Air Force deployed 11 Mi-17, eight ALH and six Chetak helicopters, four C-17, three IL-76, six C-130 and 10 AN 32 aircraft with men and material; and the Coast Guard chipped in with 36 DRTs, 36 boats, 11 non-motorised boats, 21 hired boats and one Dornier and two Chetak helicopters. But for the presence of the armed forces personnel and their collaterals, the rescue operations would not have been so quick.

However, the ones who stole the hearts of the marooned people and everybody else were the fishers, particularly those from Kollam, who donated themselves to the cause of rescuing their fellow beings from the rising waters. Taking the cue, fishers from Thiruvananthapuram and other parts of the State too rushed to Alappuzha, Pathanamthitta, Ernakulam and Thrissur to save precious lives.

The distressing events of the last seven days also saw volunteerism at its inspiring best with young and old, men and women, and those in the media, plunging into the rescue and relief work and many from outside the State, and abroad, sending in money and material to help the flood-hit thousands.

But the work is only half done. What awaits Kerala is a humongous task of rebuilding lives and infrastructure, both public and private. What awaits the State is a major healthcare challenge, the prevention of disease outbreaks in the flood-hit districts, restoration of water supply and power infrastructure, reconstruction of roads and bridges, the losses on account of which alone has been tentatively estimated at ₹4,441 crore.

The Chief Minister has postponed his visit to the US for treatment to see completion of the still unfinished rescue and relief work and set the reconstruction work in motion. And, then will come the long-term questions about the State's developmental priorities, its habitation patterns and the way it wishes to treat its forests, hills and water courses.

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By now all except Thiruananthapuram and Kannoor (or maybe Kannoor too) have been slammed.

Initially it was Wynad/Malappuram (hilly places).
Alappuzha was always likely to be flooded because of its low-level/backwater terrain, but they are used to that.
The dam release SNAFU slammed Trissur/Palakkad and maybe Idukki.
Ernakulam surprisingly not so much despite being generally sea-level except for some hills. (again suggests that it was not distributed rainfall but concentrated deluge that was the problem).

I think this time Trissur was the worst hit. Even urban residential areas that never see flooding got 8 inches of water inside.
This is why I keep harping on the scapegoating needed to knock some sense into the Cretinistani guvrmand - and to not be shy about DEMANDING compensation and action. There is a reason why Guvrmand keeps demanding the Centre declare a *National Disaster** etc.

This was a DISASTER but not a ***NATURAL*** disaster. Or **NATIONAL** disaster. It was a very **STATE** Disaster coming of 70 years of cretinist govt. behavior which has made the people fatalistic and **EXPECTING** cretinist behavior. Sad to see a heroic and stoic people scrambling to help themselves.

Classic Kipling:
If you can watch your life's earnings washed away by cretins
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If it is not commie "labor union" mobs it is corruption, or "Customs" goons robbing and bullying you at the airport or "NokkuKooli" (Charge for just sitting around watching while you do the work, just so they don't beat you up) or idiots opening dams at the worst time. Won't improve w/o a citizens' awakening (uprising), IMO. I was so shocked and depressed to hear people saying matter-of-factly:
It rained heavily for 4 days. The dams opened. Homes and streets flooded.


Dams are supposed to CHECK floods not aggravate them, duh! This fact appears to be totally lost in the discussion except for the few peeps in outside media. Entire state population seems dhimmified by the violent goon parties - or just phegmatic.

They r like that onlee!


Here is what came this morning from someone who locked up their spanking new, gleaming shop/medical clinic at 7PM that day - nothing special except rain, the canals flowing heavily, but they could drive their small car quite all right - and then by 2AM it was 6 feet of water inside the shop, 4 feet inside the clinic, polis turning everyone away with the road blocked - medicines damaged, medical books stinking sodden, mud all over, the well polluted ... I have no idea what sort of insurance they have, and don't dare to ask now.
Our shop/clinic recovery is partly done, we have already started treatments and consulting. Giving consultations free of cost for two weeks. Trying to observe what kind of diseases are coming up in our area. Have arranged for bleaching powder and potassium permanganate for cleaning water sources in our shop. Many things in our shop which can be given away is being looked into ( like soap paste biscuits etc). If needed atta also is available for distribution. I am not looking into financial loss for now, let’s stand up and start walking first... that what I am thinking. The losses at our shop you may be knowing.

As per my knowledge, the most necessary things going fwd shall be medical and sanitation items. Mainly to tackle health and drinking water issues. I am working through Seva Bharati and one more organisation to give things. I will let you know what all are being done.
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My favorite poem 'IF" by Kipling.

Thanks for the onsite report from the medical shop.

I think a twitter campaign to hold the officials responsible for releasing the waters has to be started.

Chetak or some one please start it.
I found national news papers are notional.
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Here is what I got for my email asking how our friend the Solar PV businessman was faring: his establishment got a bit of flooding back in June/July, hence the concern. This time apparently he had taken more precautions.
On Tue 21 Aug, 2018, 4:53 PM (UBCN) wrote:

Hope his shop is not inundated and that he and the family are OK.

On the other hand, I hear that this is a fine time to form and organize a Maintenance/Customer Service organization.

Rent a truck with a pressure washer, pump and water filter (pull relatively clean water, filter it and use it with the pressure washer). Also restore electric connections. Maybe solar panels and batteries.
Response (from the businessman):
നമസ്കാരം ദൈവ ക്യപയാൽ ഞങ്ങളുടെ കൈവശം ഉള്ള സ്ഥാവരജംഗമ വസ്തുക്കൾക്ക് കേടുപാടുകൾ ഒന്നും സംഭവിച്ചില്ല. ഇവിടങ്ങളിൽ തങ്ങളുടെ അധീനതയിൽ ഉള്ള വീടുകളിൽ താമസ്സിക്കാൻ കഴിയാത്തവർ കൂട്ടമായി വിദ്യാലയങ്ങൾ മുതലായ സുരക്ഷിത സ്ഥലങ്ങളിലാണ് അഭയം തേടിയിരിക്കുന്നത് താമസ്സിയാതെ സ്വവസതികളിലേക്ക് തിരിച്ചെത്തുന്ന ഇവർ നേരിടുന്ന പ്രധാന വെല്ലുവിളികളി അവ വീണ്ടും വാസയോഗ്യമാക്കുക എന്നതാണ് ' അതിനായി താങ്കൾ നിർദ്ദേശിച്ചവ സ്വാഗതാർഹമാണ് അതിനായി ഞങ്ങളാൽ കഴിയുന്ന വിധം ഞങ്ങൾ ഞങ്ങളുടെ ഗ്രാമവാസികളെ സഹായിക്കുന്നുണ്ട് പ്രെഷർ ക്ലീനർ മുതലായവ വാടകക്ക് വാങ്ങി ഉപയോഗിക്കുന്നതാണ് കൂടുതൽ അഭികാമ്യം വിലയേറിയ അഭിപ്രായങ്ങൾ പ്രതീക്ഷിച്ച് കൊണ്ട് നിർത്തുന്നു'
Xlation per my Malloostani-Mongolian translator:
"....... (By the grace of ATM) our equipment etc escaped any damage. In these parts those whose own dwellings became uninhabitable, have sought refuge in schools and other safe bldgs in large numbers. The main chalenge facing those who try to return home without delay, is to make them habitable again. For that what you suggested is something that we are trying our best, to help our villagers. Renting pressure cleaner etc is more practical. Thx for suggestions onlee.
How can we help coordinate getting a bunch of these from other cities, hain? Even H'bad is what - 2 days by road from Malloostan? Can Sewa types help in this (probably they have long-since thought of it?)
As habalji said, right now they are crucial, because they allow people to get back on their own feet. That is what Malloos want most of all - (which was the point of that poor fellow Suresh Kochattil's long rant, for which he got beaten up by stupid ppl on Soc. Med (incl. lynchmob of urs truly's wimmen relatives ..) :roll:
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In retrospect, the poor monsoons over the last decade lulled the govts. in Kerala to underestimate the possibilty of such an event and the magnitude of such a disaster.This has been unprecedented, as said, the worst for a century.The huge quantum of rainfall in such a short period never expected.

Yes, the dams could've released water in sequence before they totally filled up and released almost all at the same time. This was a failure, but one feels that the officials again underestimated the quantum and short time of the massive inflows .The illegal quarrying, buildings in eco-sensitive zones added to the crisis, but this is happening all over the country due to abysmal planning, corrupt babus and politicos and especially in rural areas where little knowledge of the consequences of such construction is understood.The Mumbai floods a few years ago another shining example of a planning disaster and failure to take precautionary measures.

However, the aid could be. considerably ramped up when compared with the billions in farm waivers, etc.We know the cost of
front- line fighters too .The state could be given a long-term loan on easy repayment terms.Cochin airport damage alone by one estimate was between 200 to 300 cr.No idea if this is an accurate figure.

The armed forces and locals ( fantastic joint effort by Keralites , a great lesson in national unity to the rest of the country) have done and are still doing an unbelievable job.I doubt that any country can match our efforts. Yet again we've proved to the world what Indians can do.We did it earlier abroad in Nepal ( earthquake ) and Sri Lanka (tsunami) .In SL the Americans arrived 3 months later to find that there was nothing to do, the Indian armed forces had done everything including restoring Galle port which had been destroyed and had wrecks in the harbour.An army doctor friend of mine was there within 24 hrs. of the GOSL's appeal and lived for 2 weeks under a plastic sheet.
This heroic work and that of some incredible flying by the helo pilots must be highlighted and they should be rewarded .
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COK airport and such entities probably have insurance. It's the Insurance Co.s that may need bail-out, but then again, their "policy" seems to be just say "NO" in which case the aid should go to the lawyers who can sue the knickers off them.
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One can imagine the future premiums!
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you should know that from ground zero, people are grateful to the state govt, the fishermen, the armed forces and the rest of the country for rushing to its help in such a calamitous event...In fact, its been a big PR disaster for the BJP even among the hindus...
What did or didnt BJP do wrong to turn out the villian in a place where it doesnt even have much presence? :-?
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one lakh fifty thousand was collected yesterday. So panchayat may get something like this.

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jpremnath wrote:
nvishal wrote:The 700cr UAE aid will likely be channeled through Islamic aid networks and will be used to rebuild homes of muslims that were effected by flood.
What Nonsense!!!!....Kuch bhi!!...
The aid announced by UAE is towards the Chief minsisters relief fund..Just because you dont like some people, it doesnt mean whatever they do is part of some conspiracy..

And to those who think that the public is itching to revolt against the commies (regardless of how much i hate that wretched party), you should know that from ground zero, people are grateful to the state govt, the fishermen, the armed forces and the rest of the country for rushing to its help in such a calamitous event...In fact, its been a big PR disaster for the BJP even among the hindus...and how would i know?.because my folks and family are spread in Alappuzha and Chengannur, the worst hit areas...
Only person spewing nonsense is our resident comrade. I am at ground zero. I have done relief work through Sewa. I did not see any dyfi, ejs or comrades during the relief work. Keyboard revolutionaries like you are running PR based on fake news from sellout newspapers like mathrubhumi, mediaone and manorama. Even many Christians and muslims are dissing the state govts epic mismanagement of dams and pnarayi's arrogance. In alleppey relief material was squrirelled away to party office by our esteemed comrades.
Comrades are infiltrating BRF too off late.
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Centre has refused UAE offer of $100 (700c inr) and has instead told the Arabs to channel it through the CM fund or NGOs operating in kerala.
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sum wrote:
you should know that from ground zero, people are grateful to the state govt, the fishermen, the armed forces and the rest of the country for rushing to its help in such a calamitous event...In fact, its been a big PR disaster for the BJP even among the hindus...
What did or didnt BJP do wrong to turn out the villian in a place where it doesnt even have much presence? :-?
There was this audio clip from a BJP IT cell guy who told people not to contribute money as only the rich are affected...I heard the clip, there was some element of truth in his claims regarding there being more need for electricians and carpenters for relief work. But really poor choice of words...Another lower level party guy came and commented "add condoms too" under a request for medical supplies for women. A minor incident but the screenshot with his profile page showing BJP links was widely shared..The chap even lost his job. Then another incident where a guy came in army uniform and dissed the state govt..And the ADGPI quickly tweeted the he is not a soldier. There is nothing that proves he is affiliated to BJP, but it was widely alleged that he is...Even the incidents above are really minor and should have been ignored..But in KL, everything is politically charged and in a very volatile situation these things were the last thing BJP needed. And add to that the relief amount of 500 crores..Regardless of whether they are gonna up the amount based on future damage assessment,SM is awash with comparisons between how 1000 crores was released to Kashmir and 1300 crores for Uttarakhand...I am not substantiating these, just giving you a sample of what goes viral in SM in family and friends whatsapp groups back home..There was a lack of communication from the central govt on how they are going to stand by the state... That's why I said it's been a PR disaster

The CPM goons are showing their real colour once the flood waters ebbed down. During the crisis, they mixed with the rescue efforts without any noise. Now they have started taking over the shelters shooing away the volunteers. Of course the control of huge amount of supplies coming from abroad and all over India is what they need. They have also started their usual goonda fee collecting drive using the term 'bucket collection'...Where they just walk into your house and tell us to donate 'voluntarily'. There is no receipt and God knows where the Money goes..But for some strange reason these are not getting the same level of publicity in SM which is sad...

People are aware how the dams were mismanaged, but the general feel is that natures fury overwhelmed everyone. Plus currently everyone's in a state of shock and just grateful to see the outpouring of help from every angle that they haven't started on a postmortem of what went wrong. Once that starts i dont think the state govt will getaway with many of their shortcomings.

@krita...Yeah mate, I believe you
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Saar, for the examples you have quoted, there is absolutely nothing which can be done once minds have been made up( if some unknown low level guy is a strawman to bash a whole org, there is nothing more to add)

Even if Modi had personally gone in a boat and rescued drowning folks, the "PR disaster" would have been the same.
If central govt had spoken more, same junta would have been frothing about how a far away govt was poking its nose and playing politics
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@sum, i just replied to a post asking what is the PR disaster..I personally don't have any comments.
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Krita is too valuable to be hanging around here, writing trash.... He is off for a week
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More on the relief efforts at Kerala....
Conflict in relief camp: Case registered against CPM leader. The issue was that this CPM leader and cronies had tried to take away the relief items delivered at a camp to the party office. Police men on duty + the people in the relief camp opposed it. The CPM leader had to beat a hasty retreat. Perhaps his intention was to show case his party as the only resuce & relief agents in the state. KL Govt. has clearly stated that no party, religious, social organisation symbols would be used by any one involved in relief work etc.

Rajasthan govt sends medicines worth Rs 1.72 cr to Kerala.. Hmm.. so one more state from the "communal" group is pitching in what they can do.
Tripura govt to donate Rs 1 cr for Kerala relief. Again contributions from a very small state of Indian Union, who recently moved to the "communal" side.

I am just adding in this here, because of a strong rumour in KL that Indian Union and other states are not helping the state.

India unlikely to accept foreign donations for Kerala floods. Okay, so that settles all hopes on UN intervention, UAE sheikh giving doles etc.
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ramana wrote:My favorite poem 'IF" by Kipling.

Thanks for the onsite report from the medical shop.

I think a twitter campaign to hold the officials responsible for releasing the waters has to be started.

Chetak or some one please start it.
I fond national news papers are notional.
Regretfully, though I follow twitter, I am not active on it.

National newspapers are notional because of the hidden offshore ownership linkages that remain actively suppressed to promote a false sense of non partisan coverage.

This is by the lootyens and the commie urban naxal playbook.
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nvishal wrote:Centre has refused UAE offer of $100 (700c inr) and has instead told the Arabs to channel it through the CM fund or NGOs operating in kerala.
India is presently a net aid giver.

Do we really need foreign donations??

just asking onlee.
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UlanBatori wrote:This is why I keep harping on the scapegoating needed to knock some sense into the Cretinistani guvrmand - and to not be shy about DEMANDING compensation and action. There is a reason why Guvrmand keeps demanding the Centre declare a *National Disaster** etc.
This report in Malayalam clearly reports that one reason for the mega flood was the big gaps on dam & reservoir management. This news paper has an English version, but they have conveniently not done the translation of this news. Because it will not fit the overall agenda of blame game, and passing the buck to the central government. As per this report:-
  • The major issue was that no one thought of releasing water on a step by step basis, and finally it was all released at one go when there was no other way out.
  • On August 9 water levels were at 2397 ft and the Minister for Power said that the dam would be opened any time from now. But then the Minister for Water Resources said that no way would the dam get opened now. One shutter of the dam was finally opened when the water level was at 2399 ft.
  • By August 13 situation at Idukki Dam had become so dangerous that 15 lakh cubic litres of water had to be released every second, in order to bring the water levels under control. By then water from Mullaiperiyar dam had also started entering the catchment area.
  • All the shutters at Sabari Giri dam was opened up with no notice at all. Due to this areas like Aranmula, Chengannur (Alappuzha Dt.) and Ranni (Pathanamthitta Dt.) was completely flooded and people taken by surprise.
  • TN has control on two dams; Upper Sholayar & Parambikulam. They too opened up the shutters without informing KL who controls another dam downstream - Peringalkutthu. Due to which this dam too had to be opened all of a sudden, which led to the flooding in Chalakkudi and suburbs (in Thrissur Dt.).
  • Banasura Sagar Dam in Wayanad (North Kerala) was also opened with no due notice. Even the district collector came to know about the dam opening AFTER the flooding had started.
Philip wrote:However, the aid could be. considerably ramped up when compared with the billions in farm waivers, etc.We know the cost of front- line fighters too .The state could be given a long-term loan on easy repayment terms.
Again from a Malayalam news paper, and yet again no English translation for this report as well. The report may also give a good picture on the financial position of the state (irrespective of the bravado of KL politicians and camaraderie of UAE etc., while the evil Indian Govt which is messing up things).
1. Kerala plans to levy an extra cess of 10% on the S.G.S.T component of GST. For this an approval has to come from the Central Govt.
2. State plans to take a loan of Rs 10,500 crores. Currently the amount which a state can take loans is pegged based on the State GDP. 3.5% of the State GDP can be taken as loan. Kerala wants this to be raised to 4.5% of her State GDP. For this to happen amendment has to be made on the Fiscal Responsibility and Budget Management Act, 2003 which again has to be done by the central govt.
3. Rs. 2600 crores of extra funding on the MGNREGA (the minimum rural employement act), so that the labour costs involved in building new homes, rebuilding infrastructure etc. can be taken up using the extra funds.

So if you see the state by herself does not have much money to spare. The treasury is pretty much empty. Point #3 seems to be the easiest and logical thing to do, to get things moving. Point #2 again seems to be a strange demand to alter a perfectly working formula. Just because Kerala has a low state GDP, really does not require amendments to a central act. Other states can also then ask for amendments. Point #1 may also work, but again it would be the people in the state who will have to pay a cess.
jpremnath wrote:And to those who think that the public is itching to revolt against the commies (regardless of how much i hate that wretched party), you should know that from ground zero, people are grateful to the state govt, the fishermen, the armed forces and the rest of the country for rushing to its help in such a calamitous event...In fact, its been a big PR disaster for the BJP even among the hindus...and how would i know?.because my folks and family are spread in Alappuzha and Chengannur, the worst hit areas.
Yes, there is truth in what you said and the BJP fans may not be really happy. But; BJP was never in a good position in Kerala at all. And from the way BJP state level leadership (if they have leaders, by the way) behaves smart politicians like A.Shah and Na.Mo may have reprioritised their future plans. I don't think even BJP felt that some deft handling of this sad situation would give them clear majority in next Lok Sabha or state level elections. The state does not have BJP leaders of that calibre. The RSS etc. were active in Kerala, they were active during the floods so there is status quo.

The Central Govt. (BJP) has actually played the game by the book. Kerala government was looking for an escape route (to lay blame) and a kind of blank cheque on the payments side. Nothing of that seems to be happening. First was the demand of giving every thing over to the Army. Army clearly said no, and asked the civil administration to do the front end part and they would be there to assist. If Kerala Govt. and people expected every single soldier/naval rating/air man to be there with his equipment in Kerala, that was wrong expectations.

When Modi came to the state the hopes were again some huge amount to be released, with again no explanations asked. It was Modi who came with a better plan. Instead of just releasing funds, and hoping that KL government does the job; he promised that his own central agencies would come and fix things at their costs. The state can use funds in her hand for some thing else. Then came the grand plan of help from UAE sheikh and even possible help from UN. If these people were allowed to have a free run in the state, it would only have fuelled more dissent. That was also neatly cut out, when citing past precedence all such "offers for help" (with knife held at the back) was rejected. India can help KL state, and it is now upto that state to decide. If KL acts too uppity here, the BJP can very well play a counter game and say that the state is actually a freeloading state.

Yes, I agree Central Govt. should have released a road map and said what exactly it would do upfront. But the Central Govt. may also have a reasonable expectation that the State Govt. machinery (or rather the political party) would also be responsible enough to work in a uniformity; keeping the country's aim at the highest point. But what happened was that this natural calamity was used to for political purposes. Unreasonbale expectations were allowed to flourish among the KL population, hoping that when they get dejected their anger can be turned against the BJP. So what ever the Central Govt. (or BJP) planned to do, they were all in for practical purpose "operating in a very hostile territory". They were never going to get due credits, and neither they were going to be given any respect (due to them or other wise).
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chetak wrote:
nvishal wrote:Centre has refused UAE offer of $100 (700c inr) and has instead told the Arabs to channel it through the CM fund or NGOs operating in kerala.
India is presently a net aid giver.

Do we really need foreign donations??

just asking onlee.
So you are saying to save India's face we should decline?? The damages to the infrastructure itself is eye popping...1000s of crores will be needed just to repair the broken down susbtations, transformers, and washed out bridges and roads..And the damages to hospitals, schools, offices comes next...The initial estimate for damages is at 20,000 crores.The state treasury is a basket case for the 'fine management' by both the Left and Cong govts before. public donations as of date has crossed only 200 crores, States have committed 200+ crores, and Central govt another 680 crores. I dont think this is enough to even scratch the surface. So yes, the state will need all the money it can get.
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So basically, GoI is seemingly getting the stick in Kerala due to them doing things properly and by the book and because of some local political affiliates running their mouths?
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