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#TejasFOCUpdate
Fuel transfer from IL-78 to #Tejas is a reality now. After dry contact trials couple of days back, 1st ever air-to-air refuelling has undertaken today. "It just happened," says a source. Congratulations to #IAF, HAL, ADA & NFTC teams.
Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Air to air fuel transfer took place today for Tejas for the first time, as per Tarmak007 on facebook ! Great going!
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Unlikely.fanne wrote:and the vehicle earmarked for that is PV-6
PV-6 is one of the two trainer prototypes heavily engaged in FOC flight testing of the Trainer version and training IAF pilots of 45 and 18th squadron.
Adding an engine testing function will seriously encumber the first two roles.
Logically doesnt add up. What is the source of your information?
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Well congratulations to all of you and me.
We should be celebrating if this is now confirmed via two sources that fuel was transferred.
Well done to all of us again.
We should be celebrating if this is now confirmed via two sources that fuel was transferred.
Well done to all of us again.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Wonderful stuff. It must have been an interesting analysis to update the FBW for fuel transfer, with CG shifting all over the place and that too in mid air .
Top notch stuff. In another year, it will be flying with a AESA radar. AESA, top notch BVR, FBW, Refuelling, Indian, Israel, Russian weapons, top notch engine.
Compare this to the jokers on the western border, who tom tom a plane, which have no clear video of ever firing a BVR.
Top notch stuff. In another year, it will be flying with a AESA radar. AESA, top notch BVR, FBW, Refuelling, Indian, Israel, Russian weapons, top notch engine.
Compare this to the jokers on the western border, who tom tom a plane, which have no clear video of ever firing a BVR.
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
let's hope this sees IAF asking for bigger orders than the one right now..
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
123 is already for MK1+MK1A. Then there will be MK2 orders of atleast 100/123. Overall close to 250. That is equal to SU-30 orders.ArjunPandit wrote:let's hope this sees IAF asking for bigger orders than the one right now..
IAF has committed. It is now for HAL to buckle up.
Another point that is not obvious, LCA has a perfect update plan going in. MK1 FOC, MK1A, MK2 all planned up with incremental capability added in each tranche. No other jet in IAF inventory has such a future planned up. The closest may be Jags with their Darin program.
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Gladdens the Jingo heart. In Tejas, we have an Indian solution to Indian problems. Now if only the following happened:
- Quick ASEA Integration
- Get the Kaveri onboard and further reduce scope of sanctions
- HAL stops getting their 'chaddis' in a twist and ramp up production to 16 birds a year
- Assured govt orders as the IAF gets accustomed and develop tactics
- Exports to Africa/ Lat-Am
- A dorsal mounted death ray
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Indeed Saar Indeed.nam wrote:Wonderful stuff. It must have been an interesting analysis to update the FBW for fuel transfer, with CG shifting all over the place and that too in mid air .
Top notch stuff. In another year, it will be flying with a AESA radar. AESA, top notch BVR, FBW, Refuelling, Indian, Israel, Russian weapons, top notch engine.
Compare this to the jokers on the western border, who tom tom a plane, which have no clear video of ever firing a BVR.
However even if they produce a 4K video of fuel transfer and BVR firing, it is nothing but the equivalent of us producing Su-30 MKIs taking fuel from IL-78.
Now they of course believe its a Paki plane, let them continue to believe so.
Its as Paki as the Su-30 MKI or Mig-21 is an Indian plane.
With Tejas
Jo Bhi Kiya
Humne Kiya
SHAAN Se !
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Its clear both of you didnt buy the 324 T Shirt.nam wrote:123 is already for MK1+MK1A. Then there will be MK2 orders of atleast 100/123. Overall close to 250.ArjunPandit wrote:let's hope this sees IAF asking for bigger orders than the one right now..
Rakesh, Indranil, Jay - please make buying and wearing the 324 T Shirt mandatory before giving posting rights on this thread
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1039093275972358144
BREAKING: Light Combat Aircraft LSP8 successfully completes first wet mid-air refuel today. Takes 1900 Kgs fuel from an IAF IL-78M at 20000 ft.
Time to deploy Lungis.
BREAKING: Light Combat Aircraft LSP8 successfully completes first wet mid-air refuel today. Takes 1900 Kgs fuel from an IAF IL-78M at 20000 ft.
Time to deploy Lungis.
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
^^ they are doing it quite quickly now.. I thought moving to actually transferring of fuel after dry contact will take months.. but it all happened so quickly.
Congratulations
Congratulations
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Not to rain on anyone's parade but:Mukesh.Kumar wrote: Gladdens the Jingo heart. In Tejas, we have an Indian solution to Indian problems. Now if only the following happened:
- Quick ASEA Integration
- Get the Kaveri onboard and further reduce scope of sanctions
- HAL stops getting their 'chaddis' in a twist and ramp up production to 16 birds a year
- Assured govt orders as the IAF gets accustomed and develop tactics
- Exports to Africa/ Lat-Am
- A dorsal mounted death ray
Let's get the house in order before we talk of "exports".
Everyone remembers what happened to ALH "exports".
Let's first master walking before we dream of sprinting.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Excellent news! Kudos to the team and to Wing Commander Siddharth Singh who flew LSP-8.Manish Jain wrote:https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1039093275972358144
BREAKING: Light Combat Aircraft LSP8 successfully completes first wet mid-air refuel today. Takes 1900 Kgs fuel from an IAF IL-78M at 20000 ft.
Time to deploy Lungis.
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1039097202537373696 ---> Big step for India’s LCA Tejas fighter as it takes fuel mid-air for the first time. Congratulations to the flight test team! This flight piloted by Wing Commander Siddharth Singh at 9:30 a.m. today from Gwalior.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
That HUD looks cool without much clutter. Do we know which HUD is this?
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Tejas completes key midair refueling trial
BENGALURU: Just days after the successful ‘dry contact’ with the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) IL-78 midair tanker aircraft, Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas on Monday completed the first midair refueling trial, which is one of the things required for the aircraft to obtain the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) which has missed several deadlines already.
On September 4 and 6, the Tejas had made a dry contact with the IL-78 exhibiting the plane’s ability to dock the refueling probe. On Monday, the Tejas Limited Series Production aircraft number eight (Tejas LSP-8) “successfully completed the Wet (actual) engagement by transferring 1,900 kg fuel from IL-78 midair refueling tanker.”
“The refueling was carried out at an altitude of 20,000 ft. The aircraft speed was 270 knots and all the internal tanks and drop tanks were refueled. A few days ago, the successful dry docking of aerial refueling probe with mother tanker was carried out on September 4 and 6, 2018,” HAL, the manufacturer of the fighter said in a statement.
Piloted by Wing Commander Siddharth Singh of the National Flight Test Centre (NFTC), the refueling took place at about 9.30am with designers from HAL and Aeronautical Development Agency — which designed and developed Tejas — closely monitoring the system parameters from the ground station at Gwalior.
“The performance of aircraft systems (mainly Fuel & Flight controls systems) during the trial were in line with the design requirements and closely matched with the results of extensive ground tests of air-to-air refueling system,” the statement read.
With this, India joins the elite group of countries who have developed the Air-to-Air (AAR) system for military class of aircraft, HAL’s new CMD R Madhavan said in his first statement to the media since taking charge earlier this month.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
so this was atleast the 3rd sortie out of 10 that are required for qualification.On September 4 and 6, the Tejas had made a dry contact
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
I thought that was not in firm orders..my bad...tsarkar wrote:Its clear both of you didnt buy the 324 T Shirt.nam wrote:123 is already for MK1+MK1A. Then there will be MK2 orders of atleast 100/123. Overall close to 250.
Rakesh, Indranil, Jay - please make buying and wearing the 324 T Shirt mandatory before giving posting rights on this thread
nevertheless, admiral sir has mithai left for decades, he should be made to treat people with the few of 324 tshirts/veshti's
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Is it that drop tanks can also be refuelled? Can anyone confirm this.Ashokk wrote:The refueling was carried out at an altitude of 20,000 ft. The aircraft speed was 270 knots and all the internal tanks and drop tanks were refueled.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
What more confirmation do you want? A phone call from HAL CMD?naruto wrote:Is it that drop tanks can also be refuelled? Can anyone confirm this.Ashokk wrote:
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
This is really a big deal. A/C can take off with empty tanks (for optimal take off performance), get refuelled in the air. Or they can fly large distances - before getting to the FBA, can fill their tanks and keep their internal fuel available for combat/high maneuverability situations.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Sorry to bother you, should have posed the question better. I did not know that air to air refuelling can also fill the drop tanks. Until now I thought it was only internal fuel tanks, that is why I asked if someone can confirm that drop tanks can also be filled during air to air refuelling. I got it now.JTull wrote: What more confirmation do you want? A phone call from HAL CMD?
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
This is massive, Tejas with internal fuel and 3 or 1 drop tank(s) then all get refill by A2A refueling. It will give Tejas unprecedented capability in terms of CAP and deep strike.The refueling was carried out at an altitude of 20,000 ft. The aircraft speed was 270 knots and all the internal tanks and drop tanks were refueled.
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
After gun trials and aesa the only thing left is to arm the pilot with Rocket launchers
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Yes. Whether during ground fueling or mid air refuelling, the external fuel tanks are loaded centrally through the fuel management system.naruto wrote:Is it that drop tanks can also be refuelled? Can anyone confirm this.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
In this photo Tejas uses the port wing drogue
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmuZrgyWwAA2-SD.jpg:large
In this photo Tejas uses the starboard wing drogue
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmu8ohYVAAEtRcs.jpg:large
So actually there were two contacts.
The tankers are different too. One is RK3451 and other is RK3452
Unless different tankers were used on different days
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmuZrgyWwAA2-SD.jpg:large
In this photo Tejas uses the starboard wing drogue
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmu8ohYVAAEtRcs.jpg:large
So actually there were two contacts.
The tankers are different too. One is RK3451 and other is RK3452
Unless different tankers were used on different days
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
SaiK wrote:perhaps the later is in effect:SaiK wrote: no time will be set, until we take a relook at GTRE as an org. We have other performing orgs to learn from and adapt to. Kaveri is extreme engineering, and can't be funded or done this way.
or wait for bail out from safran.
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/ebooks ... age27.html
The audit stated that Kaveri engine had attained sufficient level of maturity for carrying out limited envelope flight test integrated with aircraft.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
They did two days of dry runs, before the wet refuel
The starboard one is the dry run
The port one is the actual fuel transfer
The starboard one is the dry run
The port one is the actual fuel transfer
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Once LCA with the probe get inducted, it will become the most efficient peace time CAP jet we have. All Mig-21 peace time, jobs on the border will be taken over.
Single engine, F404 Engine with in flight refuel. No other jet in IAF inventory comes close to the fuel efficiency.
Single engine, F404 Engine with in flight refuel. No other jet in IAF inventory comes close to the fuel efficiency.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
There might some niggles about STR/ITR etc, however our endeavor to develop a 4+ Gen with Composite, FBW, BVR, LDP, Refuelling and ability to integrated with weapons of our choice has come to fruition.
Our people have delivered what they promised (may be delayed a bit by 2 years). This is for all the people who said we should have created a simple Mig21 knock off like the JokerFighter-17.
So I say promise the sky, we might just achieve it.
Our people have delivered what they promised (may be delayed a bit by 2 years). This is for all the people who said we should have created a simple Mig21 knock off like the JokerFighter-17.
So I say promise the sky, we might just achieve it.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
One tanker on duty, another for backup saar. So there were two in the air on all days.tsarkar wrote:In this photo Tejas uses the port wing drogue
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmuZrgyWwAA2-SD.jpg:large
In this photo Tejas uses the starboard wing drogue
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmu8ohYVAAEtRcs.jpg:large
So actually there were two contacts.
The tankers are different too. One is RK3451 and other is RK3452
Unless different tankers were used on different days
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
One question, saar.nam wrote:There might some niggles about STR/ITR etc, however our endeavor to develop a 4+ Gen with Composite, FBW, BVR, LDP, Refuelling and ability to integrated with weapons of our choice has come to fruition.
Our people have delivered what they promised (may be delayed a bit by 2 years). This is for all the people who said we should have created a simple Mig21 knock off like the JokerFighter-17.
So I say promise the sky, we might just achieve it.
is the AA refuelling system locally developed and qualified ?? or
has an already existing AA refuelling kit with the probe been integrated and then the system qualified on the LCA by flight test??
Maybe we could look at our short legged MiGs too and maybe give them such a AAR capability to possibly extend their utility and operational envelope??
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Great news! What's left for FOC?
1. BVR [In progress, Derby test fired 2018]
2. In-Flight Refueling [In progress, Wet test completed 2018]
3. Gun Trials [In progress, Ground firing completed 2015?]
Rest everything is completed AFAIK. Anything I'm missing?
1. BVR [In progress, Derby test fired 2018]
2. In-Flight Refueling [In progress, Wet test completed 2018]
3. Gun Trials [In progress, Ground firing completed 2015?]
Rest everything is completed AFAIK. Anything I'm missing?
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Read somewhere, it is a Cobham kit( probe) . I don't know how much of the entire fueling setup is local. HAL may have gained experience on Hawk Advanced project.chetak wrote:
One question, saar.
is the AA refuelling system locally developed and qualified ?? or
has an already existing AA refuelling kit with the probe been integrated and then the system qualified on the LCA by flight test??
Maybe we could look at our short legged MiGs too and maybe give them such a AAR capability to possibly extend their utility and operational envelope??
https://www.livefistdefence.com/wp-cont ... /hawk1.jpg
There are Mig21s with probes. So countries have done it. Not sure how much IAF is interested in such a option.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Thanks saar.nam wrote:Read somewhere, it is a Cobham kit( probe) . I don't know how much of the entire fueling setup is local. HAL may have gained experience on Hawk Advanced project.chetak wrote:
One question, saar.
is the AA refuelling system locally developed and qualified ?? or
has an already existing AA refuelling kit with the probe been integrated and then the system qualified on the LCA by flight test??
Maybe we could look at our short legged MiGs too and maybe give them such a AAR capability to possibly extend their utility and operational envelope??
https://www.livefistdefence.com/wp-cont ... /hawk1.jpg
There are Mig21s with probes. So countries have done it. Not sure how much IAF is interested in such a option.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Retractability, thy name is Mk2 probe. Cobham also helped us on Quartz Radome.
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^^waiting for IL78 amba to feed dvitejasau soon.
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^^waiting for IL78 amba to feed dvitejasau soon.
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
great to hear...
Chetak our limitation is not fitting probes to fighters....we have 300+ fighters already with probe (su30, jags, m2k, mig29upg, tejas), but the fact we only have 6 refuelers with limited fuel.
these 6 will be heavily tasked to support the Phalcons in a war situation.
we need the 90 t fuel of the A330 MRTT vs the 40t of the Midas to refuel the hungry heavies and support CAP units all over.
Chetak our limitation is not fitting probes to fighters....we have 300+ fighters already with probe (su30, jags, m2k, mig29upg, tejas), but the fact we only have 6 refuelers with limited fuel.
these 6 will be heavily tasked to support the Phalcons in a war situation.
we need the 90 t fuel of the A330 MRTT vs the 40t of the Midas to refuel the hungry heavies and support CAP units all over.
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
The refueling probe is fromCobham
Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Once again I say, for every squadron of fighters we need at least one AWACS and on refueler.Singha wrote:great to hear...
Chetak our limitation is not fitting probes to fighters....we have 300+ fighters already with probe (su30, jags, m2k, mig29upg, tejas), but the fact we only have 6 refuelers with limited fuel.
these 6 will be heavily tasked to support the Phalcons in a war situation.
we need the 90 t fuel of the A330 MRTT vs the 40t of the Midas to refuel the hungry heavies and support CAP units all over.
Buy additional fighters only alongwith these necessities.