Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby mody » 13 Dec 2018 15:03

darshhan wrote:
Haridas wrote:^^^ The words spoken like a General (or movie director): questions, opinions and list of directives ....

Albeit 99.99% of us are arm-chair generals of an army of arm-chair soilders & workers, with empty pocketed stake holders. Just time-pass in front of an idiot box called a Web browser..


Frustrated middle aged males with too much time on hands. :)


Haridasji, unfortunately poor arm chair soldiers, keyboard ninjas that we are, we cannot do anything more.
The questions come from our quest to more then what is known as open source info or about progress of the programs which are not shared in the open forums, till the programs reach a certain level of maturity.
The opinions and directives are basically just our jingo dreams of what we would like to see or happen.
The above comments/opinion/directive also stem from the bitter experience that we have all had, where we are forced to go for imported systems, even when Indian solutions gaining traction.

For the Astra I have a distinct feeling that we will have to pony up scant resources to purchase Derby-ER, even though Astra MK-II is in development and we can live with the Derby, Astra combo for few months or a couple of years.

We have all seen this game played many a times before. The only difference now is that, as our programs start to progress, we are offered more and more cutting edge stuff by the foreign vendors.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Dec 2018 20:31

^^HD sir, how do foreign vendors get to know where we are in the R&D stage? isn't that supposed to be classified info?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby darshhan » 13 Dec 2018 21:10

ArjunPandit wrote:^^HD sir, how do foreign vendors get to know where we are in the R&D stage? isn't that supposed to be classified info?


They get to know through our testing schedule much of which is in public domain especially wrt missiles. It is actually that sime

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Singha » 13 Dec 2018 22:56

must be plenty of paid moles too in the woods. recall the navy war room leak case . that man is now a UK GC holder and safe. rabinder singh ji must have changed his name and lives openly in virginia or such colonies of escaped agents.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Kartik » 14 Dec 2018 03:23

Livefist twitter link had this first time ever shot of a Derby SAM fired by an IA SpyDer battery.

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Great shots of Akash & SpyDer systems in action at an @IAF_MCC guided weapon firing exercise at the Suryalanka base on the Andhra Pradesh coast.

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Postby Ravi Karumanchiri » 14 Dec 2018 07:58

Singha wrote:......<snip>........ rabinder singh ji must have changed his name and lives openly in virginia or such colonies of escaped agents.


Rabinder Singh is supposedly dead.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 14 Dec 2018 08:10

Brooklyn Bridge is Available for sale.

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Postby Singha » 14 Dec 2018 09:12

During the investigation, 57 R&AW officers, including some from the top ranks, were found to be regularly sharing information with Rabinder Singh. A post-mortem in the case revealed that about two dozen officers had actively colluded with him in leaking the intelligence to Langley. No action was taken against the officers and they were quietly transferred to insignificant stations, to live with the burden of sharing top secret notes with the traitor, who sold them to the CIA.


^^^ how come they got off with a mere transfer enjoying full tenure ? A circus if so

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby mody » 14 Dec 2018 14:48

Singha wrote:During the investigation, 57 R&AW officers, including some from the top ranks, were found to be regularly sharing information with Rabinder Singh. A post-mortem in the case revealed that about two dozen officers had actively colluded with him in leaking the intelligence to Langley. No action was taken against the officers and they were quietly transferred to insignificant stations, to live with the burden of sharing top secret notes with the traitor, who sold them to the CIA.


^^^ how come they got off with a mere transfer enjoying full tenure ? A circus if so


They were perhaps not aware that the info was being shared with Langley. The lapse was more of not adhering to standard operational procedure and not giving info to even a senior within RAW, if the same was not authorised to receive that on a regular basis.
Perhaps they too were conned by the traitor into parting with useful info.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Prem Kumar » 15 Dec 2018 00:10

Singha wrote:must be plenty of paid moles too in the woods. recall the navy war room leak case . that man is now a UK GC holder and safe. rabinder singh ji must have changed his name and lives openly in virginia or such colonies of escaped agents.


We are way too lenient. These guys must either be clandestinely picked up or bumped off - to convey a message to the rest. Putin's Polonium approach!

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Indranil » 15 Dec 2018 02:35

I do want to say this. Do any of us know what truely transpired? Who leaked what and under what circumstances and consequences.

If not, we should stop passing these judgements. Rest, I leave it to you guys.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 15 Dec 2018 04:21

Guys Missile thread. Missile thread. Missile Thread.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

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Postby kurup » 15 Dec 2018 14:38

350+ km range missile test on Dec 17/18 from ITR ,

https://twitter.com/kurup89/status/1073864392041590785

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Postby arun » 15 Dec 2018 14:59

^^^ Kurup, :) I see as usual you are on the ball 8)

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby darshhan » 15 Dec 2018 17:19

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Karan, In addition to R&D prowress, this no. of tests also indicate the increasing manufacturing capability on part of DRDO-BDL combine(can also be BEL in certain cases). For Agni series over 5 were tested. Which can only mean many more were produced. This is pretty good intensity. I doubt if more than 2-3 countries test so much.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby darshhan » 15 Dec 2018 17:23

Prem Kumar wrote:
Singha wrote:must be plenty of paid moles too in the woods. recall the navy war room leak case . that man is now a UK GC holder and safe. rabinder singh ji must have changed his name and lives openly in virginia or such colonies of escaped agents.


We are way too lenient. These guys must either be clandestinely picked up or bumped off - to convey a message to the rest. Putin's Polonium approach!


All in good time. Covert capabilities are being built.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby nam » 15 Dec 2018 17:27

It would also means direction from GoI to speed up induction and funding for the testing. Also indicates maturing of technologies

The type of missiles: Long & Short range BM. ATGM, AAM, MBRL, SAM. So the entire range of missiles are been pushed through.

Hope the pace continues in 2019. Hope to see HSTDV and more testing of QRSAM & SFDR. Ofcourse Akash-NG kicking off as well.


We have crossed the learning curve. The core now is: GoI Funding.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby nam » 15 Dec 2018 17:50

Just had a quick look at 17-18 Parl Report. DRDO had asked for 22k(3.7 billion) crores and has got 14.8k crores(2.5 billion). Apparently it is 20% increase compared to last year.

Out of these only 9k is for actual R&D. 5k reserved for Strat program.

We cannot even provide 1.2 billion more!

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby krishna_krishna » 16 Dec 2018 06:58

K-5 slowly coming out of burkha :

SLBM K-5 is the fastest missile in its class
Can deliver nuclear warhead of more than one tonne 5,000 km away
To be flight tested from a submersible pontoon launcher off Visakhapatnam coast



http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 11623.html

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Indranil » 16 Dec 2018 10:22

They are going from sanction to first test of such sophisticated missiles in 4 years!

Composites are coming. The only technological challenge left is NEPE based propellants.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Indranil » 16 Dec 2018 10:25

Gyan, no Air Force will use a BVR as a WVR, it is not about the capability of the missile, but its cost.

Most pilots don’t get to fire a BVR in their entire career.

India should develop its own WVR.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Supratik » 16 Dec 2018 10:45

What are the benefits of testing missiles in lofted trajectory? What exactly are they testing?

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Postby Singha » 16 Dec 2018 11:10

we need to retest new gen light TN weapons 150-400KT in a new smiling buddha2 series.

with a 500kg warhead, automatically the range and mirv options get better with extra changes on missile.

we are just carrying the burden of a incomplete series of tests and trying to be too dharmic when everyone is playing fast and loose

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Postby Austin » 16 Dec 2018 11:40

That time is gone there wont be any testing , Need LIF

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Singha » 16 Dec 2018 11:41

Austin wrote:That time is gone there wont be any testing , Need LIF


time and rules only apply to self proclaimed dharmics.

TSP and Cheen continue to test under north korean cover :lol:

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby darshhan » 16 Dec 2018 18:20

Supratik wrote:What are the benefits of testing missiles in lofted trajectory? What exactly are they testing?


I can't be sure of this, but maybe the need to shorten the range of a missile as on original range the missile might overshoot certain set of targets.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 16 Dec 2018 19:54

At shorter range. You achieve the reentry speed of real long range shots. So testing under compressed range conditions and also mimicking long range targets for BMD.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Indranil » 17 Dec 2018 00:20

Once you have tested the accuracy at full range, you don’t need to re incur the logistical hassles and expense of redoing it at full range. You are speaking of sending multiple specialized ships to 5500 km range. That’s a week of sailing, one way and weather permitting.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Haridas » 17 Dec 2018 07:40

Singha wrote:we need to retest new gen light TN weapons 150-400KT in a new smiling buddha2 series.

with a 500kg warhead, automatically the range and mirv options get better with extra changes on missile.

we are just carrying the burden of a incomplete series of tests and trying to be too dharmic when everyone is playing fast and loose

SIngha ji, The consequence of defacto capping ( due to IUCN Deal) is clear and uncomfortable due to its impact on capping Indian potential.

The saving grace is the Indian high yield deterrence weapon is unquestionable to all potential challengers. IMHO it comes from two varieties, one that is relatively heavier compared to the other.

LIF is mine or rented does not change the weaponized warheads, as long as our weaponeer have access to it. Think of some hi tech euro consortium weapons matches unkill corporate weapons.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Haridas » 17 Dec 2018 07:48

Supratik wrote:What are the benefits of testing missiles in lofted trajectory? What exactly are they testing?

It tested the MaxQ pressure.
Missiles test programs requires test to verify the envelop corners: MaxQ Pressure (lofted) & Temp (depressed).

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Gyan » 17 Dec 2018 22:08

Indranil wrote:Gyan, no Air Force will use a BVR as a WVR, it is not about the capability of the missile, but its cost.

Most pilots don’t get to fire a BVR in their entire career.

India should develop its own WVR.



The cost of imported IR guided missile is around Rs 10 crores each now. The cost of indigenous Astra?

I am all for developing indigenous WVR using Nag & Astra as technology building blocks. But Astra 1 will have a role in WVR arena also.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby williams » 17 Dec 2018 23:26

Austin wrote:That time is gone there wont be any testing , Need LIF


We can do more subcritical testing and improve computer simulation. LIF is too expensive and there are conflicting stories in the public domain about its success. The idea of the last smiling Budha is to get enough information for further computer simulation. I always thought the large payload tonnage has to do with future MIRV/MARV requirements.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby kit » 17 Dec 2018 23:45

Ot but Out of curiosity.. why not test sub kiloton warheads deep underground.. any tech to disguise the fall out ?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby JTull » 18 Dec 2018 00:37

CTBT allows for sub-critical tests in lab.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

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locked. please open a new thread.


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