Artillery: News & Discussion

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby krishna_krishna » 10 Feb 2019 06:15

Rakesh wrote:Krishna, I would love to believe that. But the sources make me doubt that. One is IDRW (who shamelessly copied it from Ajai Shukla's blog) and the second is Ajai Shukla.

You are welcome JayS.


JayS wrote: I tried. I cannot find such source. Should have been quite a buzz about it otherwise.


This has already started considerable chatter on twitter so I believe this is some truth in it , we will come to know in few days

However there is some good news that I stumble upon while digging this, kalyani did acquire in massa land a companyI believe that gives them edge in Ti Alloys (2016) and metallurgy:

Walker Forge Tennessee is a supplier of complex, steel and high-alloy steel, engine and chassis components.

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization ... n-overview

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2019 03:11

From what I gather, the Dhanush, K-9 (Strike Corps) and Sarang will be on Western front. The M777s and ATAGs will by on Northern and Eastern front.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 13 Feb 2019 07:45

saurav jha has a tweet that a israeli composite technology co has been purchased by a indian co.

btw today his twitter account seems gone!!

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2019 07:53

I noticed that too. I hope he is ok.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 13 Feb 2019 07:58

twitter doing all it can to aid BIF forces probably.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby JayS » 13 Feb 2019 07:59

Indeed. Even the DM chat I had with him are gone now.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 13 Feb 2019 09:50

I think most of us are being shadow banned now. What else we can expect.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby A Deshmukh » 13 Feb 2019 10:34

Yagnasri wrote:I think most of us are being shadow banned now. What else we can expect.

boycott twitter and shift enmasse to gutrgoo

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Cybaru » 13 Feb 2019 10:45

He is there.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2019 18:30

Cybaru wrote:He is there.

Thank goodness.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby JTull » 13 Feb 2019 20:42

A Deshmukh wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:I think most of us are being shadow banned now. What else we can expect.

boycott twitter and shift enmasse to gutrgoo


Instead, stay on twitter and counter the anti-nationalists.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2019 21:15

Exactly. Never allow them to control the narrative on any social platform.

Counter bullsh!t with facts.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 15 Feb 2019 04:46

I was on Twitter with lt gen PR Shankar (retd) and asked him about the Dhanduh tirals issues.
He says its OFB shells and barrel. And once they understood it was all well..
Didn't get into what were the issues? :)

I think its barrel wear causing muzzle strike due to shell cg offset.
And the ERFB shells are anyway low fracture toughness by design to produce right fragmentation pattern.
I am willing to leave it as we wont get the details nor should we.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby JayS » 19 Feb 2019 00:43

Dhanush gets bulk production clearance. :-)

https://twitter.com/DrUddipan/status/10 ... 2520100864

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Kakarat » 19 Feb 2019 07:09

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1097596759939854337

So, India's Ordnance Factory Board has finally received bulk production clearance for 114 155mm/45 calibre Dhanush howitzers which are derived from the baseline Bofors FH-77B but are significantly more capable.


https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1097598800590327808

114 x Dhanush + 150 x ATAGS + 300 x Sharang + 145 x M-777 + 100 x K-9 Vajra = 809 x 155 mm/ 39/45/52 calibre artillery weapons. or around 45 regiments of modern 'medium' artillery for the Indian Army's artillery corps by 2024 is not bad.


If the army trials are cleared then Kalyani ULH + mounted light gun and OFB BEML MGS could also get added to this list

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2019 08:03

As per wiki chacha, there are around 67 artillery regiments. Now if 45 of those regiments will convert to 155mm guns, imagine the sheer fire power they will bring.

And of the remaining 22 regiments, some units will feature the Pinaka and Smerch MBRL.

Brown pants for TSP are in order :)

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 19 Feb 2019 08:19

ramana wrote:I was on Twitter with lt gen PR Shankar (retd) and asked him about the Dhanduh tirals issues.
He says its OFB shells and barrel. And once they understood it was all well..
Didn't get into what were the issues? :)

I think its barrel wear causing muzzle strike due to shell cg offset.
And the ERFB shells are anyway low fracture toughness by design to produce right fragmentation pattern.
I am willing to leave it as we wont get the details nor should we.



As long as poor johnny's firing the guns done suffer from the barrel bursting incidents...I trust that the powers that be have factored the OFB shell quality into the barrel wear calculation...

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Feb 2019 09:46

penny packet orders, small orders , artillery must be funded and built as a strategic project, if OFB has no capacity then let pvt cos also help on assembly lines. we need 1000 each of dhanush and ATAGS to make an impression. we can even engage idle russian artillery plants to produce our guns why waste friendly capacity?

north korea is the one nation that truly understands the effective use of massed artillery as a strategic deterrent asset no less than n-weapons.

while we fire off some 5 guns to impress VVIPs @ firing range on certain days, they place their bets in a unheard of manner

our quest for unobtainium is a never ending mess.

our army is never ready to deliver this kind of barrage because it nitpicks and asks for platinum where steel will do. if our army is never really ready based on imported systems, our GOIs options is reduced.
nitpick all you want about accuracy , but koi ma ka doodh nahi piya jo iske saamne takkar de sake...skip to 17:00 if you lack time


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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Feb 2019 09:52

despite all the noises , the harsh reality is Pakis are able to match us 1:1 in heavy and light artillery on the northern stretches of the IB and on LOC.

and we are an economy 9X larger. :D

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Cybaru » 19 Feb 2019 10:40

How is this sharang different than dhanush.. All too confusing only.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Anoop » 19 Feb 2019 11:04

The NoKo artillery demonstration linked above is good only for that - a demonstration. In war time, such a deployment would be asking for trouble, both from air and from CB fire.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 19 Feb 2019 11:06

Cybaru wrote:How is this sharang different than dhanush.. All too confusing only.


Not really. Sharang is OFB upgrade of the 130 mm M46 guns. It re barrels with 155mm x45 caliber and electronics.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Feb 2019 12:09

they can fire from various locations its the volume and numbers that matter. noko has sited them in well protected bunkers, caves, mobile units as required.

can anyone deny the 1:1 harsh reality i pointed out. if successive UPA/aman ki tamasha regimes took diktats from DC to keep indian artillery weak, atleast the army could have funded vast numbers of IFG105mm MKI which i heard with a modern shell can still reach out 25km. the red army built up gigantic numbers of crude howitzers, field cannons and katyushes in the later stages of ww2 and use to good effect in attack on the german homeland. the basic technology has not changed much.

we are just a couple of large import deals away from being (finally) ready to thrash the tspa. we are in dressing room getting ready since kargil - when shall batsman emerge to slaughter the bowlers :D its always easy for someone to open their purse, and "balance out" the 1:1 equation again. china probably has mountains of old cannons in some caves.

no wonder other serious powers make a mockery out of our interests . they know our threats are empty barkings. even iran is taken more seriously because iran has proven they can and will eat grass and stale bread but put some teeth into the enemy.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby hnair » 19 Feb 2019 12:58

I had mentioned this before, but I think tube artillery was given a short shrift for two decades because PGMs and rocket artillery caught the fancy of MoD folks. It is not like Bofors was an issue after early 90s and by end of PVNR government, the artillery could have been upgraded at any point. It is the Cold Start and its need for a graded escalation before usage of airpower or SSBMs, that caused them to wake up again

NoKo artillery is no benchmark. Their barrels slap around like a mosquito larvae after each shot. There must be so many barrel bursts that no one cares about over there! One can only imagine their accuracy, let alone their vulnerability during mustering time at the border against big budget airpower.

What we dont have as of today (post-Pulwama) is time. Time to build up the number of tubes in their hundreds, thanks to a hoary past of never ending testing cycles.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rupak » 19 Feb 2019 13:44

Rakesh wrote:As per wiki chacha, there are around 67 artillery regiments. Now if 45 of those regiments will convert to 155mm guns, imagine the sheer fire power they will bring.

And of the remaining 22 regiments, some units will feature the Pinaka and Smerch MBRL.

Brown pants for TSP are in order :)

If not for anything else, the first term of the Modi Govt will be remembered for a dramatic artillery transformation. The Josh is High in the Regiment of Artillery. Jai Hind!

Sarvatra Izzat-o-Iqbal (Everywhere with Honour and Glory) - Motto of the Regiment of Artillery, Indian Army.


Actually Rakesh there are 185 tube artillery regiments. The original plan was to convert all of these to 155mm. That may yet happen.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby RKumar » 19 Feb 2019 16:47

JayS wrote:Dhanush gets bulk production clearance. :-)

https://twitter.com/DrUddipan/status/10 ... 2520100864


That's another super good news, glad that basic bread and butter are being pushed over gold plated equipment.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2019 00:15

Rupak wrote:Actually Rakesh there are 185 tube artillery regiments. The original plan was to convert all of these to 155mm. That may yet happen.

Thank You Sir! I am creating a new thread soon. Will add this info in.

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