Pulwama Attack

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby abhik » 15 Feb 2019 01:03

After many years of being in BRF, I have learnt to avoid expressions of impotent rage after events like this. Rather spend the effort on updates and analysis.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby abhik » 15 Feb 2019 01:10

Singha wrote:350kg of explosive was used in a scorpio suv. not details yet on what grade.

palestini terrorists once used a 100kg buried explosive to destroy a 70ton merkava tank, so 350kg vs a thin skin bus has shredded it.

350 kg would indicate they have an in country source for the explosives?

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby SBajwa » 15 Feb 2019 01:56

At least arrest all the hurry rats! and put them far away from Kashmir.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Kartik » 15 Feb 2019 02:05

The eyes of the nation will be on the Modi govt.'s reaction to this. This has gone too far and status quo cannot be maintained any longer. Pakistan HAS to pay for this. The pain that the martyr's families are feeling has to be felt in Pakistan. It is now time to act in a disproportionate manner.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Karan M » 15 Feb 2019 02:20

nam wrote:
manoj_niketa wrote:https://twitter.com/ShankhNaad/status/1096121178048131072
"Before occupying your place of deployment, please sanitise the area properly as there are inputs of use of IEDs"



Twitter experts profusing knowledge, without doing a day's job. If VBIED is easy to detect, you wouldn't have so many of them hitting US forces in Iraq.

It is not an IED, which stays in one place once detected.


But having a VBIED in the convoy area indicates a gap in SOPs.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Karan M » 15 Feb 2019 02:20

abhik wrote:After many years of being in BRF, I have learnt to avoid expressions of impotent rage after events like this. Rather spend the effort on updates and analysis.


+100
I hope other posters also take a cue from what you have written.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby IndraD » 15 Feb 2019 02:21

as usual librandus r out advocating aman ki tamasha , shanti not khoon ...what is their ilaaj??

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Karan M » 15 Feb 2019 02:22

A proper response to TSP will shut up these folks far more than debating these mentally sick idiots. Their moral cowardice puts the whole country at risk.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Prem » 15 Feb 2019 02:23

abhik wrote:After many years of being in BRF, I have learnt to avoid expressions of impotent rage after events like this. Rather spend the effort on updates and analysis.

Anger clouds judgement and impotent anger give pleasure to enemy .

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby sudeepj » 15 Feb 2019 02:41

Sometimes rage can make you see things better, as they are. If we are not outraged seeing a 'degloved' human body.. when will we be outraged? And sometimes, acting crazy is the rational course of action.

With the US surrender in Afghanistan and the Af-Pak region being ceded by the UN/US to Pakistan,
With the bribe spigot wide open for Pakistan to facilitate an honorable surrender,
With the firm Chinese backstop,

If India does not dramatically over react, we are going to see a river of blood in Kashmir, of which Pulwama was just a trailer.

Make no mistake, this was not a one off. The one-two bombing against India and Iran was a strategic gambit by the Pakistanis. If we do not force the powers that be to take a stand, they will be quite happy to send 'thoughts and prayers' our way, but continue doing what they have been doing.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Yashu » 15 Feb 2019 03:17

GOVERNOR OF J&K :
had mild intel. beforehand.failed to act.feeling guilty & take responsibility of failure...


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 998538.cms

where was the error then?

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Gagan » 15 Feb 2019 03:22

There is intel always
The reason it was not foiled was because it must not have been specific enough

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Gagan » 15 Feb 2019 03:25

How did 350 Kgs of I assume RDx type explosive reach the valley
This couldn’t have come in via the LoC
It went in via the Jammu-Srinagar highway through Punjab
If drugs come into Punjab, then explosives can come in too
Did this come in via the Bangladesh border into a safe house in WB?
There has been a spate of explosive and weapon seizures in WB in the last few years

Also the Scorpio was packed with the explosive in a garage somewhere in the valley. The group of terrorists are still in the area, or are on the highway, getting out of the Valley as we speak

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Guddu » 15 Feb 2019 03:38

SBajwa wrote:
Katare wrote:Who the hell is MBS?



Mohammad Bin Salman who murdered the journalist in Turkey. He is defacto ruler of Saudi as his father (the king) is on bed.


No its Mr Bone Saw

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Gagan » 15 Feb 2019 03:39

MaChood Azhar is not UN proscribed yet because China has blocked this at the UN?
China has to pay for this as well

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Rakesh » 15 Feb 2019 04:14

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1096050573168730115 ---> What is India's threshold for an airstrike on terrorist targets?

Tweet below in response to above....

https://twitter.com/MadnessHoney/status ... 3531527168 ---> I believe it was just crossed today.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Rakesh » 15 Feb 2019 04:14

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1096126756724006912 ---> They probably chose to attack the CRPF for strategic reasons. The success of any counter-insurgency depends on the ability of the Army to protect police/paramilitary forces. Also, if there is no firm response their propaganda might "contrast" this with Uri/Surgical Strikes.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby ArjunPandit » 15 Feb 2019 04:16

^^seethe in rage, anger just like I am seething, but remember that when the time comes we should be on high ground!

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby ArjunPandit » 15 Feb 2019 04:17

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1096050573168730115 ---> What is India's threshold for an airstrike on terrorist targets?

Tweet below in response to above....

https://twitter.com/MadnessHoney/status ... 3531527168 ---> I believe it was just crossed today.

sir lets not not talk about the options. This is not a time to give ideas to these guys

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Rakesh » 15 Feb 2019 04:17

https://twitter.com/KesariDhwaj/status/ ... 3968024581 --->

A word of caution on retaliation for Pulwama:
1. It is quite likely a set-up to make India retaliate like Uri
2. Pakistan Army is prepared to thwart Indian attack and counter attack India
3. In < 6 months, Pakistan Army Chief has been twice to LOC as has been their X Corps Cdr

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Rakesh » 15 Feb 2019 04:19

ArjunPandit wrote:sir lets not not talk about the options. This is not a time to give ideas to these guys

Arjun, I am not advocating one method over another. But retaliation needs to occur.

Yeh naya Hindustan hai,
yeh ghar mein ghusega bhi, aur marega bhi.


Let Prime Minister Modi weigh his options and make the appropriate decision.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby V_Raman » 15 Feb 2019 04:21

India is free to target JEM here. Taking out Masood Azhar, along with revoking article 370 pre-election will set the right tone. This will show that govt has started tough on the response and campaign rhetoric around a much bigger response post election will be good.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby ramana » 15 Feb 2019 04:26

Gagan wrote:How did 350 Kgs of I assume RDx type explosive reach the valley
This couldn’t have come in via the LoC
It went in via the Jammu-Srinagar highway through Punjab
If drugs come into Punjab, then explosives can come in too
Did this come in via the Bangladesh border into a safe house in WB?
There has been a spate of explosive and weapon seizures in WB in the last few years

Also the Scorpio was packed with the explosive in a garage somewhere in the valley. The group of terrorists are still in the area, or are on the highway, getting out of the Valley as we speak


Gagan, RDX is a military explosive with very high brisance or explosive power.
The amount 350 kg would have wiped out the convoy. And smuggling 350 kg of RDX is not easy task.

More likely 350 kg is civil construction grade explosives from quarries and rock blasting operations for road/highway building.
Then question comes why was the missing explosive not reported?
Lets wait a little bi for NIA to complete their investigation.
Also were any gun firing on the bus after the explosion?

Folks why are we posting one line like its chat?
Please think a little and post reasoned responses.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Rakesh » 15 Feb 2019 04:29

From Air Marshal Anil Chopra (retd)....

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 4074947590 ---> In two days everyone will be back to Rafale. Politically keep weakening India. Now is the time for massive retaliation on LoC. Now or never. Or bleed for ever.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby ramana » 15 Feb 2019 04:30

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1096126756724006912 ---> They probably chose to attack the CRPF for strategic reasons. The success of any counter-insurgency depends on the ability of the Army to protect police/paramilitary forces. Also, if there is no firm response their propaganda might "contrast" this with Uri/Surgical Strikes.


First, they chose to attack CAPF because they move in long convoys and have a track record of this movement.
Second, CAPF was chosen as its not the army for Pak can claim plausible deniability.
Third, February is the Afzal guru month. Lot of attacks happen during this period.
I am glad the casualties were only one bus a it could have been worse due to the convoy.
If there is no retaliation it will lead to wedge between Army and CAPF.

Time of India has some reports on the modus operandi and name of a suspect leader.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby ramana » 15 Feb 2019 04:36

Rakesh wrote:From Air Marshal Anil Chopra (retd)....

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 4074947590 ---> In two days everyone will be back to Rafale. Politically keep weakening India. Now is the time for massive retaliation on LoC. Now or never. Or bleed for ever.


We said no impotent rage.

Team Modi as the govt will do what is needed as they have the authority.
Rest is all impotent outrage.
All we can do is calm the nerves and repose faith in govt.
Lots of #Pidiots are trying to make this a Modi is weak argument.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby schinnas » 15 Feb 2019 04:36

All illegal mining, quarries have access to commercial grade explosives. This was either made in the valley from fertilizers and other raw materials or smuggled from other places to Kashmir.

Given the easy know how, my guess is raw materials were first shipped to valley and it was perhaps made there in secrecy. The whole module should be eliminated with atleast one or two caught alive.

Retribution across the border should be at a time and place of our choosing to maximise impact.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby ramana » 15 Feb 2019 04:47

it could be gelignite sticks used to blast the rocks.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby VinodTK » 15 Feb 2019 05:25

The following piece of news is mind bogeling

As news of the suicide attack spread, people gathered in Gundibagh (village of the terrorist) and organised a funeral for Dar.

They prevented government officials from reaching the spot.


Who are these officals and how can they be prevented form going to the village?

Pulwama suicide bomber, 22, lived 10km from spot

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Anant » 15 Feb 2019 07:04

Ramana,

If we are looking for civil, mining explosives, look at Ampho. The amount, 350 kilograms suggests this. Ampho is a mixture of ammonium nitrate, used as a fertilizer, and fuel oil. It has catastrophic power and was used in the United States in the Oklahoma City bombing. In that instance, one Ryder truck full essentially took down a building. Ampho these days is common in mining to move much bigger volumes of dirt/ore etc than TNT etc.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Feb 2019 07:08

Until the word "counter" can be put in front of "attack", perhaps an IB4TL is in order? Plus, in any other country, no Officials would enter Gundibagh. It would be surrounded, sealed, and the residents processed out through a filter, with several detained, before the entire village was blown up. But I am glad that in India nothing like that will be done, the surviving terrorist villagers are innocent until they blow someone up.

There is a case reopened all these years after the post-BabriDump festivities in UP. A policeman's relative was lynched by Other Community rioters. The village was surrounded, all the non-females/non-kids were lined up and loaded into trucks. Apparently 47 never returned. The allegation is that they were taken out and shot. Probably after due process identified them as the mob.

UP has been quiet all these years since then..... maybe a lesson there?

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Feb 2019 07:14

Let's not fall for the non state actor trick non state actors operate from territerritory controlled by state actors. We need to now clamp down and eliminate the support system in the valley. I think even air strikes are justifiable.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby SSridhar » 15 Feb 2019 07:20

Heartfelt condolences to the families of our brave, martyred CRPF soldiers.

This is an out and out ISI attack implemented through JeM.

Folks, let's remember that Jaish is the favourite boy of the ISI nowadays because of the heavy focus on LeT and the proven connections between the ISI and the LeT/JuD and Hafiz Mohammed Sayeed. LeT has also been involved in worldwide terror attacks and is therefore carefully monitored by all intelligence agencies. It and its leader are banned by UNSC 1267. FATF has put TSP under grey-list largely because of LeT.

But, the deep links between JeM and the ISI are largely unknown to the powers that be. It is for this reason that China is so strenuously 'protecting' Masood Azhar too because both the ISI and China do not want to lose the sole remaining terror trump card against India, Masood Azhar. The ISI has taken enormous care to cover its links with JeM.

From the time of May 2014, the ISI has been planning a series of attacks on India through JeM. Most of the attacks have been thwarted. Some happened. All of them were by JeM fidayeen terrorists.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby schinnas » 15 Feb 2019 07:28

India would be fully justified in launching couple of Brahmos on Masood Azhar. Did the creep claim responsibility yet?

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Rony » 15 Feb 2019 07:36

Pulwama suicide attack: Both IB and police had warned of Jaish led strike

At least four Intelligence Bureau warnings were issued before the deadly attack at Pulwama, Jammu and Kashmir in which nearly 44 CRPF jawans were killed.

Apart from the IB warnings, the J&K police had shared an input, which was uploaded on a private Twitter account, a few days back in which the Jaish-e-Mohammad threatened to carry out a suicide attack on the security forces.The tweet shared by the police carried a 33 second video of troops in Somalia being attacked by terrorists in a similar manner. A similar modus operandi was used by the Jaish terrorist, Adil Hussain Dar at Pulwama.

The twitter handle "313_get" is not open for public viewing. It carried a threat "InshaAllah...its will same in Kashmir...endian are flying in parts...InshaAllah (sic)". The twitter handle is being operated using the virtual private network making it difficult for the security agencies to establish the location of its operator, police officials said. The same was shared during the meeting held two days back and all security formations were alerted about a possible terror attack similar to that carried in the twitter handle. Jammu and Kashmir police had also prepared a dummy video to explain how terrorists may possibly carry out such an attack, the officials said.

In addition to this there were both general and specific warnings issued about a big strike by the Jaish-e-Mohammad. IB officials had also warned that the terror group would carry out something big to commemorate the death anniversaries of both Afzal Guru and Maqbool Bhat.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby arshyam » 15 Feb 2019 07:40

^^ Does it matter if he claims responsibility? Sab saale aatankwaadi hi hain...

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Kashi » 15 Feb 2019 07:42

Veergati praaptimrastu to the brave jawans.

Let us see how we respond. Not an easy situation for GoI or NDA.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby ramana » 15 Feb 2019 08:26

Ok. CRPF has road clearing party and gun toting party to deal with snipers but loophole was allowing civilian vehicle movement during convoy travel. This led to the VBIED.

https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/109 ... 10496?s=19

Looks like Mehbooba Mufti was the one who sought civil vehicle movement to be allowed.

All those CYA Intel reports are useless.
The hole in themselves cheese was allowing civilian traffic during convoy travel.

I am.asking if they identified the explosive.
Let's see.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Cain Marko » 15 Feb 2019 09:04

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1096114163968024581 --->

A word of caution on retaliation for Pulwama:
1. It is quite likely a set-up to make India retaliate like Uri
2. Pakistan Army is prepared to thwart Indian attack and counter attack India
3. In < 6 months, Pakistan Army Chief has been twice to LOC as has been their X Corps Cdr

Uhh, why does India have to respond like another uri op? They have plenty of options and arrows in the quiver.

Takeaway is that the ball is now completely in bjp court. This is the greatest opportunity that they could get. Now is the time to flex the 56 inch chest.... Put the tsp in its place and win the support of a grateful people. In one stroke rid yourself the many issues that jeopardize your victory.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby manjgu » 15 Feb 2019 09:09

idk what prevents GOI from ordering IAF to bomb few Pak Army positions along loc claiming we bombed terrorist camps !!! let the Pakis react..with a tottering economy...lets see how much they escalate. Its Modis moments to make history... I dont know if Saudi prince has come or not..will be just the right moment to bomb Pakis as he arrives in Isloo.... will also propel Modi to 2019 election victory... he could not have asked for a better moment... with the mountains heavily snow bound..its going to be a air battle with the onus on Pakis to escalate


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