Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

[khan]

My reading says that the retaliation will never come from Paki fauj or AF. They know pretty well that their azz will be whooped and handed over on a plate. Conventionally, in direct conflict, their pride will be hurt and their image before Paki awaam and politicians will be eroded. They cant risk that going forward, their politicians overrule them calling them puzzies.

Most likely in coming days, they will arm Hizbul, JeM etc with more deadly weapons like rocket launchers, bigger guns, MBIEDs. There are chances of plane hijacks, bomb planting in bigger cities.

Not a dhoti shivering but we have to be fully ready and annihilate the biglets.

I would expect some type of attack against hard high value target - I am thinking maybe blowing up a squadron of Mirages on the ground.

[UlanBatori]

Significantly, global community so far has been flat and direct, telling them to suck it up. Frogistan and Kangaroostan particularly direct. OINCs are being predictable oiseules. Need tough response from India to them, aligning closer with Iran. Hope Aunty Sush/Aunty Nirmy will deliver the goods, saying terrorism cannot be tolerated.

Soggy Bottom notable silent, u note? Pompeo was briefed by Aunty Sush. Wonder what Comrade Vlad is saying.

[SriKumar]

Guys for your viewing pleasure. We all watched it back in 2014 and waited for it. For one day we knew that Modiji would be given the chance and he would grab it with both hands!

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You beat me to it, Sanju. I have not forgotten this video. I hope Pakistanis watch this video as well. They'll know why this man challenged the Chinese and won (at Dokalam) and why they are not going to win either.

[Mort Walker]

Unkil - Mike Pompeo just warned TSP to shut down terrorist centers in the country and not to escalate.

[Mort Walker]

60km standoff for SPICE package? They why go deep inside Pak - the target was only 65km from LOC. I think they mean 6km standoff, and no need to keep target in view with laser painting it.

Has there been official confirmation of Spice, it might be a cheaper LGB and the target might have been on reverse slopes, IAF it seems wanted to take out the target with determination along with its ISI officers et al, plus they have assessed the PAF capabilities which as correctly premised downhill skied.

Yes. Read the earlier pages of this thread.

[UlanBatori]

Since it has a total of 12 control surfaces in 3 groups (fore, mid-body and tail), the "Spice" has a very long glide range, of about 60 kilometers. This allows a striking aircraft to release a bomb at a target without entering the threat envelope of most short- and medium-range air defense systems which might protect it. This is achieved while saving the higher costs associated with propelled munitions.
Wiki

Worth checking laws of pissicks on that. 1000kg mass, with pretty short wings, much shorter than transonic airliner. Launch is transonic at best, from what? 15km up? To quote Alistair MacLean: "A DC-8 without engines has the gliding characteristics of a block of concrete". I think SPICE being GPS/inertial guided, eliminates the need for the platform to hang around painting the target with a laser, the plane can drop and forget and focus on "heading back after dropping payload" as the Paki Prigadier-Jarnail claimed initially.

{Added later: Thx Saiji. Yes, WikiDevata says so, so it must be so: V. Long Glide Range.}

TSP has to face implications of IAF being able to stand at LOC and glide such things with pin-point accuracy, whether 6KM or 60KM. Life in Murdike, Sialkot and LaHore became much less fun, suddenly. No wonder the Korpse Kommandos look like they ate at a Karachi restaurant.

[Sanju]

Since it has a total of 12 control surfaces in 3 groups (fore, mid-body and tail), the "Spice" has a very long glide range, of about 60 kilometers. This allows a striking aircraft to release a bomb at a target without entering the threat envelope of most short- and medium-range air defense systems which might protect it. This is achieved while saving the higher costs associated with propelled munitions.
Wiki

Worth checking laws of pissicks on that. 1000kg mass, with pretty short wings, much shorter than transonic airliner. Launch is transonic at best, from what? 15km up? To quote Alistair MacLean: "A DC-8 without engines has the gliding characteristics of a block of concrete". I think SPICE being GPS/inertial guided, eliminates the need for the platform to hang around painting the target with a laser, the plane can drop and forget and focus on "heading back after dropping payload" as the Paki Prigadier-Jarnail claimed initially.

TSP has to face implications of IAF being able to stand at LOC and glide such things with pin-point accuracy, whether 6KM or 60KM. Life in Murdike, Sialkot and LaHore became much less fun, suddenly. No wonder the Korpse Kommandos look like they ate at a Karachi restaurant.

[sudarshan]

No wonder the Korpse Kommandos look like they ate at a Karachi restaurant.

Dear Saar, I know I've dissed on your obscure jokes in the physics discussion thread (they made no sense to me in that setting), but at the right place and time, you are funny as ****.

The statement from PRC seems restrained and measured, lacking in the usual bluster and fury. By PRC standards, that statement is basically impotent. They seem to be staring at Doklam all over again.

[Rudradev]

Video Below

https://twitter.com/i/status/1100358565280198656 ---> Pakistanis keep on claiming that our Bombs did Zero Damage. But the body language & expressions of each and every military individual sitting here just tells a different story. All Stunned and Horrified.

I can just hear what is being said to the three Fizzle Ya guys.

Kitne Aadmi Thhey?

[Prasad]

Forgot which journo, but somebody tweeted that original plan was to not cross but strong winds meant they had to cross and lob. A 100km glide capable Garuthma would be really anticipated by the IAF now I suppose.

[tandav]

India must have communicated to China that any Pakistani nuclear attack on India will invite an Indian Nuclear retaliation on China. Essentially GOI knows that Pakistani nuclear weapons are Chinese nukes and Chinese delivery systems.

I was going to propose such a thing - that we equate Pak and Chinese nukes.

But the deterrence downside is that if things get very hot between Pak and India, and China feels that Pak will do something stupid, they will take out Indian nuclear assets in a pre-emptive first strike. In other words, we are opening up a nuclear front with China even without their direct involvement in a war.

Wouldn't it be easier for China to take out Pakistani nuclear weapons to stop Pakistan from being stupid. Any Chinese preemptive strike attempt is unlikely to be successful and will also lead to retaliation.

[prasannasimha]

5 posts destroyed. 2 terrorists kikked in Shopian.
We need to have some form of precision guided missile which is cheap for dedicated destruction of paki posts. Will msje taking them out easier.

[Prasad]

[yensoy]

^^^^ It's clear which side the US is on.

This is perfect for us. We never wanted any escalation. We wanted retribution which we got. We showed that we can kick them in the ba!!s and get away with it. Any future terrorist strike from the pigs will be dealt with in a similar but wholly novel manner because this is not war and this is not peace, it is grey and there are fifty shades of it for us to pick from.

[Rudradev]

I was going to propose such a thing - that we equate Pak and Chinese nukes.

But the deterrence downside is that if things get very hot between Pak and India, and China feels that Pak will do something stupid, they will take out Indian nuclear assets in a pre-emptive first strike. In other words, we are opening up a nuclear front with China even without their direct involvement in a war.

Wouldn't it be easier for China to take out Pakistani nuclear weapons to stop Pakistan from being stupid. Any Chinese preemptive strike attempt is unlikely to be successful and will also lead to retaliation.

This. The US and USSR are the only nuclear adversaries who ever stood a CHANCE of taking out all the enemy nuclear assets in a first strike... and as that chance diminished, with ABMs and subs and all kinds of other things coming into the picture, their arsenals grew from thousands of nukes to tens of thousands of nukes in a desperate race to keep such a non-survivable first strike within the realm of possibility.

And even with tens of thousands of nukes, war planners on both sides considered the risk of attempting a non-survivable counterforce strike far too high. That is how MAD came to be accepted as a fact of life.

China with 300 odd nukes stands no chance of eliminating India's 2nd strike capability. Not with our boomers out at sea already. Unacceptable damage through retaliation is guaranteed (and that's even IF China uses all 300 of its nukes on India... as an aspiring number one superpower hasn't it got bigger fish to fry?)

[Dileep]

See the feature at 34°27'50.6"N 73°19'05.2"E this seems to be the pigsty. It is marked madrassa on Wikimapia. It is on top of a hill. It kind of matches with the photus in media.

[Vivasvat]

A naPak drivers account of the current situation in Pak.
Take it with a pinch of salt.

[Manish_P]

China with 300 odd nukes stands no chance of eliminating India's 2nd strike capability. Not with our boomers out at sea already. Unacceptable damage through retaliation is guaranteed (and that's even IF China uses all 300 of its nukes on India... as an aspiring number one superpower hasn't it got bigger fish to fry?)

+1

Ex ACM Tipnis clearly expresses the same line of thinking in his interview (video posted earlier in this thread)

[Prem Kumar]

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has briefed both the President and Vice-President about the Indian Air Force strike at JeM terror camp in Balakote.

Genuine pooch: the President is the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, no? So, shouldn't he be at least in the loop on the Surgical Strikes too (including giving the requisite approval for the same)?

[Atmavik]

folks,

watch aaj tak video if you get a chance. our panel with ex officers are laughing at pakis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8cFHJAYEGA

[samsher]

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has briefed both the President and Vice-President about the Indian Air Force strike at JeM terror camp in Balakote.

Genuine pooch: the President is the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, no? So, shouldn't he be at least in the loop on the Surgical Strikes too (including giving the requisite approval for the same)?

Dear Prem Kumar Ji,
Genuine Jawab ji, perhaps you need to refresh your knowledge about the Republic of India's constitution and parliamentary style of democracy!

[Atmavik]

Genuine pooch: the President is the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, no? So, shouldn't he be at least in the loop on the Surgical Strikes too (including giving the requisite approval for the same)?

Dear Prem Kumar Ji,
Genuine Jawab ji, perhaps you need to refresh your knowledge about the Republic of India's constitution and parliamentary style of democracy!

sir ji,

you forgot about socialist and secular.

How is the Josh?

very high sir

[Sid]

Porkies seems to be getting ready for ultimate suicide run. We just have to make sure when they do, only they go down in it.

P.S. anyone in the “need-to-know” know anything about this Sialkot situation? Porkies are spreading too much fake news at an extraordinary scale.

[Prem]

Video Below

https://twitter.com/i/status/1100358565280198656 ---> Pakistanis keep on claiming that our Bombs did Zero Damage. But the body language & expressions of each and every military individual sitting here just tells a different story. All Stunned and Horrified.

I can just hear what is being said to the three Fizzle Ya guys.

Kitne Aadmi Thhey?

Mirage will fix Paki Mizaz from now.

[Bharadwaj]

See the feature at 34°27'50.6"N 73°19'05.2"E this seems to be the pigsty. It is marked madrassa on Wikimapia. It is on top of a hill. It kind of matches with the photus in media.

Spot on Saar.... The aam abdul interviewed here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An3Y9Go0PhE calls the area kagan just as it is marked on google maps.

[Singha]

Porkies seems to be getting ready for ultimate suicide run. We just have to make sure when they do, only they go down in it.

P.S. anyone in the “need-to-know” know anything about this Sialkot situation? Porkies are spreading too much fake news at an extraordinary scale.

imo they are trying to make up in twitter what they cannot do in reality.

its best to let them have their fun and ignore them on SM for now. after this "befitting reply" they go back to sulking again.

[Singha]

60km is a notional max range in ideal conditions of launching from mach1 and 40,000ft.
its like fuel economy under test conditions.
whether spice, jsow, sdb etc all unpowered gliders will suffer some degradation in less than idea conditions like headwinds....or the launch a/c may not be at optimum height.

garuthma and garuda need to be produced in tens of 1000s to make it cheaper than spice type imported low volume weapons.

[neeraj]

Aajtak reporting that IAF mig has crashed in J&K in badgam - technical fault. 2 mins flight from srinagar

[Anant]

Aajtak reporting that IAF mig has crashed in J&K in badgam - technical fault

Hope the pilot is safe. What type of mig?

[neeraj]

no news/update on pilot or the type

[Sravan]

Action in Shopian

[Singha]

10:39 am (IST)
Fighter Jet Crashes in Budgam | A fighter jet has crashed in Jammu and Kahsmir's Budgam due to "technical fault". According to reports, the pilot and co-pilot have been killed.

^^ its quite near to the LOC. pilot and co-pilot indicate it may not be a Mig21 Bison or Mig27. could be jaguar, mirage2000 or su30. unless it uncontrolled flight into terrain going lo-lo-lo, I am not sure why ejections would not happen.

did a Paki plane fire a AAM at it from across the border ? I am sure keen minds are investigating...the wingman would know for sure.

also in the past, moles among ground staff have been caught incl trying to place stones inside engines. this is the time when they will activate such insiders....just saying.

[Kakarat]

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/11 ... 1099739136

There's been a crash in Budgam near Sringar, appears to be an Indian Air Force Mi-17 helicopter. Awaiting an official confirmation and details.

[Shivaji]

Unconfirmed:

3 Paki jets intruded in our air space repulsed by ours.

https://twitter.com/republic/status/1100631352821465088

Rajouri HQ was probably the target.

https://twitter.com/danvir_chauhan/stat ... 7113648129

[Sid]

It was a porky who identified it as Mig, in reality it was a Mi-17 V5. Both crew did not survive. RIP.

[Iyersan]

Its war

[nam]

Action in J&K

Day time raid, means PAF have night blindness.

[khan]

Unconfirmed:

3 Paki jets intruded in our air space repulsed by ours.

https://twitter.com/republic/status/1100631352821465088

Rajouri HQ was probably the target.

https://twitter.com/danvir_chauhan/stat ... 7113648129

We must go through he Chanakyan steps. Protests must be filed. UN should be ask to pass a resolution denouncing Paki aggression. Sanctions must be demanded. And then balda!

[Manish_P]

The operation kicked off just after 2 am, with the Mirage-2000s from their home-base of Gwalior taking to the skies during the "graveyard shift". The fighters were not moved to a forward base before the strikes to retain the element of surprise. "ISI informants are active around forward IAF bases on the western front and promptly report unusual fighter activity," said a source.

Hopefully our SigInt units took this opportunity to grab some of the scum during this operation. Or at least identified them and squeeze and turn them to make the PAF spend costly fuel and airframe hours chasing mirages (of the illusionary kind)

[nachiket]

Unconfirmed:

3 Paki jets intruded in our air space repulsed by ours.

https://twitter.com/republic/status/1100631352821465088

Rajouri HQ was probably the target.

https://twitter.com/danvir_chauhan/stat ... 7113648129

If they hit an Army HQ it will be all out war thereafter. No "non-military air-strikes".