Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby khan » 28 Feb 2019 20:58

Raveen wrote:On a side note, the lady from PTI, what was her name? She should be banned from any future press conferences for asking that stupid question. It is not a sign of good will or aman ki assha you dimwit, its the international law that forces the handover of POWs...what a dumbass Porki troll.

The question which clarified that returning the commander was nothing outside their Geneva convention obligations, was the most important question that punctured that whole peacenick propaganda campaign.

That question was probably planted by an MOD Babu.

It’s all the other idiots who were obsess with unnecessary technical detail details who should have unspeakable things done to them.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Raveen » 28 Feb 2019 21:00

khan wrote:
Raveen wrote:On a side note, the lady from PTI, what was her name? She should be banned from any future press conferences for asking that stupid question. It is not a sign of good will or aman ki assha you dimwit, its the international law that forces the handover of POWs...what a dumbass Porki troll.

The question which clarified that returning the commander was nothing outside their Geneva convention obligations, was the most important question that punctured that whole peacenick propaganda campaign.

That question was probably planted by an MOD Babu.

It’s all the other idiots who were obsess with unnecessary technical detail details who should have unspeakable things done to them.

Except she asked if they were HAPPY that a PEACE offering is being made...wtf? There are a 1000 better ways to ask that question.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sid » 28 Feb 2019 21:00

parshuram wrote:Came across this -> CAITC picture of capable of hosting AMMRAM. Can Any expert confirm?

https://twitter.com/snikhil1979/status/ ... 76066?s=12

PS: Not doubting IAF. Just asking out of curiosity.


They also mention ASRAAM, they don't have it. JF-17 has Chinese radar, it can "not" work with AMRAAM unless they plan to use it in CCM mode. AIM-120 is semi-active, and require guidance to engage at effective range. Without compatible radar, and data link it cannot work.

They are indicative of PL-9, and SD-10.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby rgosain » 28 Feb 2019 21:02

Sid wrote:
parshuram wrote:Came across this -> CAITC picture of capable of hosting AMMRAM. Can Any expert confirm?

https://twitter.com/snikhil1979/status/ ... 76066?s=12

PS: Not doubting IAF. Just asking out of curiosity.


They also mention ASRAAM, they don't have it. JF-17 has Chinese radar, it can "not" work with AMRAAM unless they plan to use it in CCM mode. AIM-120 is semi-active, and require guidance to engage at effective range. Without compatible radar, and data link it cannot work.

They are indicative of PL-9, and SD-10.


Unless the prc cloned the aim120 thanks to the PAF. Some tough questions for the US.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 28 Feb 2019 21:04

Shooting of PAF F-16 Block 50/52 with AMRAAM C-5 class missile by Bison Winco would be reverberated for a long time to come.

The F-16 blk 50/52 with all the latest bells and whistles represents the Tip of Spear of PAF and to be shot by a Bison of IAF which is the lowest end of the IAF fighter interceptor shows great pilot skills.

The present ACM in the video on ACM mentions that Mig-21 is as good as the pilot is , Pilot skills is put to test and it can be unforgiving for a rookie ..... Kudos to our Boy for this Achievement .....Shows the Combat Skills of our Pilot

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2019 21:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHx4sDcf0_w


Indian Army, IAF, and Navy Officers Address a Joint Press Conference in South Block



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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sid » 28 Feb 2019 21:05

^^ no, that will mean they can break Link-16, and American radar. If this was possible US would have replaced it by now.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 28 Feb 2019 21:07

Would suggest watching this two part on Bison done by NDTV more than 10 years back , The 2nd part has a brief interview by present Chief of IAF on the Mig-21 and he mentions many things about the aircraft




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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2019 21:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHx4sDcf0_w


Indian Army, IAF, and Navy Officers Address a Joint Press Conference in South Block



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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby rgosain » 28 Feb 2019 21:09

Sid wrote:^^ no, that will mean they can break Link-16, and American radar. If this was possible US would have replaced it by now.

Thanks for that.
This engagrment has exposed a lot of the F16 and amraam electronic data/elint to the IAF

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby himanshugoswami » 28 Feb 2019 21:10

TO All those moaning that we have de-engaged and the stand off is over- you are sadly mistaken. March 4.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 28 Feb 2019 21:10

UlanBatori wrote:
Singha wrote:muricans must be made to face the consequences like getting the silent treatment on hornet, jsf and the jokey f21. and told why this is so.

er... so Unkil farts about being angry with Pakis for crossing border with American fighter plane. Isn't that then going to be part of any F-16/18/22/35 deal that India is being advised to sign? Also apply to C-17? Apaches?

I presume that NaMo called Le Grande Phrog and got permission b4 sending Mirage2000s?
All just tamasha. I think every Indian post and article should mention AMERICAN-SUPPLIED, TERRORIST-OPERATED F-16, AMRAAM, etc.

Funded by US taxpayers money too and Global war on terror!! We need to do this in a sustained fashion. BTW any chance yakherder eats teetar?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 28 Feb 2019 21:11

Mig-21 BISON

In 1961, the Indian Air Force (IAF) opted to purchase the MiG-21 over several other Western competitors because the Soviet Union offered India full transfer of technology and rights for local assembly. In 1964, the MiG-21 became the first supersonic fighter jet to enter service with the IAF. Due to limited induction numbers and lack of pilot training, the IAF MiG-21 played a limited role in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965. However, the IAF gained valuable experience while operating the MiG-21 for defensive sorties during the war.The positive feedback from IAF pilots during the 1965 war prompted India to place more orders for the fighter jet and also invest heavily in building the MiG-21's maintenance infrastructure and pilot training programs. By 1969, India had acquired more than 120 MiG-21s from the Soviet Union.

Improvents on the baseline Mig-21 to make the bison :


multifunctional coherent Doppler-pulse airborne radar "Kopyo" with slot antenna
onboard digital computer
helmet-mounted target designato
double screen (HUD and CRT) display system
stores management system
inertial navigation system
air data computer system, digital
short range radio navigation system
onboard radio command receiving equipmen
new flare dispenser (26 mm 120 rounds)
new electric power supply system, controlling and recording system
Sextant's TOTEM RLG-INS with NSS-100P GPS embedded GPS receivers
El-Op HUD, infrared search and track system (IRST) from Russia's URALs optical-mechanical plant
two Sextant MFD-55 LCD displays
autopilot
radar warning receivers (RWR)
new liquid air cooling system
HOTAS controls

It has a mix of French, Israeli, Indian and Russian aveonics equipment.(like the MKI). It is claimed that the fighters are equivalent to any 4th Generation fighter, with the ability to lock on to 8 different targets at once.

It's weaponry includes the not so commonly seen seeker module of the KAB-500Kr TV guided bomb, R-73and an R-77 BVRAAM carried underwing. The aircraft's sophisticated EW suite comprises of a DRDO Tarang RWR/RHAWS, "Tempest" internal Self-protection jammer (SPJ) and the conformal CMDS.

Other features include a SURA HMS, a semi-glass cockpit and a Sextant Totem-3000 Ring laser gyro nav. system with GPS, to mention a few. Note the conformal countermeasure dispensers, the new Tarang RWR's antennae on the tailfin and the single piece windshield.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is now adding stealth modifications to an existing $340m programme to upgrade 125 of its MiG-21bis fighters to MiG-21-93 standard. Sources for Jane's Defence Weekly have revealed these secret events in a report published in today's edition of the magazine.Extensive tests to demonstrate Russia's ability to upgrade Indian fighter aircraft with stealth capabilities took place in front of Indian defence ministry officials at the Sokol aircraft plant in Nizhniy Novgorod on 29th May 2000. The demonstration was highly successful and is understood to have resulted in the Russian government and RSK MIG urging the IAF to adopt the stealth modifications across its MiG-21-93 fleet.The core of the demonstration saw two MiG-21bis--one upgraded with stealth technology and one without--being tracked by what is believed to be a Mig-31 in a controlled test of radar-absorbent materials (RAM) and coatings developed at the Moscow Institute of Applied and Theoretical Electrodynamics.During its flight the radar signature of the upgraded Mig-21bis was shown to be between 10 and 15 times weaker than the regular MiG-21bis

INDIAN AIRFORCE MIG 21 Fighter KILLS versus PAKISTAN AIRFORCE

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1971-12-04  Flt Lt Manbir Singh              PAF Sabre F6
1971-12-06  Flt Lt Samar Bikram Shah     PAF F-6
1971-12-06  Unknown Pilot                     PAF CC-130
1971-12-11  Unknown Pilot                     PAF F-6
1971-12-12   Flt Lt Bharat Bhusan Soni    PAF F-104A
1971-12-12   Flt Lt Niraj Kukreja    PAF    PAF F-104A
1971-12-12   Flt Lt Iqbal Singh Bindra      PAF F-104A
1971-12-16   Flt Lt Samar Bikram Shah    PAF F-6
1971-12-17   Flt Lt A K  Datta                 PAF 104-A
1971-12-17   Flt Lt Samar Bikram Shah    PAF 104-A
1999-08-10   Flt Lt P K Bundela               PAF BR 1150 Atlantic
MIG 21 used for heavy bombarding During Kargil War in 1999
2019-1-27 Mig-21 BISON Wing Commander Abhinandan  PAF F-16 Block 50/52
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby abhijitm » 28 Feb 2019 21:11

khan wrote:
Raveen wrote:On a side note, the lady from PTI, what was her name? She should be banned from any future press conferences for asking that stupid question. It is not a sign of good will or aman ki assha you dimwit, its the international law that forces the handover of POWs...what a dumbass Porki troll.

The question which clarified that returning the commander was nothing outside their Geneva convention obligations, was the most important question that punctured that whole peacenick propaganda campaign.

That question was probably planted by an MOD Babu.

It’s all the other idiots who were obsess with unnecessary technical detail details who should have unspeakable things done to them.

That question could have planted but the jingo in me was expecting better response like 'considering pakistan's history of treating pow we are satisfied that this time they are abiding Geneva convention. We look forward to receive Wg Cdr Abhinandan".... there was actually no need to say 'very happy' twice. Jingo thought onlee.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 28 Feb 2019 21:12

rgosain wrote:
Sid wrote:^^ no, that will mean they can break Link-16, and American radar. If this was possible US would have replaced it by now.

Thanks for that.
This engagrment has exposed a lot of the F16 and amraam electronic data/elint to the IAF

I think we had quite a bit of idea of that by training with singaporeans israelis and other countries. What this has exposed is paki tactics of using F16 quite clearly

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby prasannasimha » 28 Feb 2019 21:12

let us not forget the no fly zone still exists over Pakistan

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Anant » 28 Feb 2019 21:12

What is March 4th?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby pattnayak » 28 Feb 2019 21:18

abhijitm wrote:
khan wrote:The question which clarified that returning the commander was nothing outside their Geneva convention obligations, was the most important question that punctured that whole peacenick propaganda campaign.

That question was probably planted by an MOD Babu.

It’s all the other idiots who were obsess with unnecessary technical detail details who should have unspeakable things done to them.

That question could have planted but the jingo in me was expecting better response like 'considering pakistan's history of treating pow we are satisfied that this time they are abiding Geneva convention. We look forward to receive Wg Cdr Abhinandan".... there was actually no need to say 'very happy' twice. Jingo thought onlee.


Sir, I was thinking along the same lines. I too would have replied in the same way as you said it. But I am not going to complain how we replied. Pakis are a weird species. Who knows how they might have reacted to that kind of answer. Anyways, I have utmost trust in our yodhas, and I am good with any reply they make. Especially knowing how professional they are.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby khan » 28 Feb 2019 21:22

himanshugoswami wrote:TO All those moaning that we have de-engaged and the stand off is over- you are sadly mistaken. March 4.

How old are you?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby habal » 28 Feb 2019 21:23

prasannasimha wrote:let us not forget the no fly zone still exists over Pakistan


It will be in place till midnight tonight. Airspace may open since March 1. This is a unilateral paki decision so they can lift flight embargo as and when they see fit.

But yes risk of enemy aircrafts coming in along with civilian airliners also goes up.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby himanshugoswami » 28 Feb 2019 21:28

khan wrote:
himanshugoswami wrote:TO All those moaning that we have de-engaged and the stand off is over- you are sadly mistaken. March 4.

How old are you?

I don't know how that q is relevant but suffice to say that I was born at least three decades before the millennium changed.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2019 21:28

putnanja wrote:Out of curiosity, will the wing co be subject to any CoI as he continued to chase the bandits and got shot down in enemy territory?


the wingco will be ok because of Modi's unprecedented gesture of peace and goodwill

twitter

As a peace gesture India will also release Navjot Singh Sidhu to Pakistan via kartarpur corridor.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 21:31

^^ israel has been doing that over lebanon and the eastern med - syrian AAD cannot engage because they are hiding with civilian airliners.
in one instance they flew behind a russian AN22 which was coming in to land and syrian SAM hit it.

knowing the "we are like israeli" only claims of PAF, dont be surprised if they use it.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 21:32

himanshu sir, dropping mysterious 1 liners will not help. if you say it please explain, else not saying it is also fine.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 28 Feb 2019 21:32

https://twitter.com/Nambitiger1/status/ ... 7054807040
The PAF has now come up with details of the pilot of the ill fated F 16. The F-16 pilot who was killed yesterday has been now identified by PAF as Wg Cdr Shahzaz Ud Din of No 19 Squadron flying F-16 He is the brave son of Air Marshal Waseem Ud Din, DCAS(Operations). May he RIP.


This is as official it gets.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby khan » 28 Feb 2019 21:33

himanshugoswami wrote:
khan wrote:How old are you?

I don't know how that q is relevant but suffice to say that I was born at least three decades before the millennium changed.

Sorry, it just occurred to me that anyone dropping dates about possible military action on a public forums was either a juvenile or for the lack of a better word, an idiot.

I thought you were a juvenile, I guess I was mistaken. I am sorry.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby abhijitm » 28 Feb 2019 21:33

himanshugoswami wrote:TO All those moaning that we have de-engaged and the stand off is over- you are sadly mistaken. March 4.

please don't speculate. This place is not twitter.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby habal » 28 Feb 2019 21:34

No wonder US was tarred and feathered at the presser.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Ganesh_S » 28 Feb 2019 21:34

"Postponing the response after Wing Commanders return does not make sense - what if more pow are taken in retaliatory action- can't expect another time-out. Or what if tomorrow the pakis say 'oh sorry, the car bringing him to Wagah broke down, comeback next week onlee"

Agreed. If this was the case atleast the press meet should have been postponed to keep the pot boiling.
As it stands now we appear to loose the opportunity as the saga ended by diplomacy being played by both sides.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 21:35

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We congratulate the PM and the IAF for the successful air strikes on the terrorist training camps which Pakistan has claimed never existed! India is proud of the firm action taken in retaliation to the suicide attack on our soldiers a few days ago. @narendramodi

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 28 Feb 2019 21:35

So son of a big shot. Looks like zamindary is quite alive in PAF. Sons get in to F16s..

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2019 21:37

Ganesh_S wrote:"Postponing the response after Wing Commanders return does not make sense - what if more pow are taken in retaliatory action- can't expect another time-out. Or what if tomorrow the pakis say 'oh sorry, the car bringing him to Wagah broke down, comeback next week onlee"

Agreed. If this was the case atleast the press meet should have been postponed to keep the pot boiling.
As it stands now we appear to loose the opportunity as the saga ended by diplomacy being played by both sides.

^^ 3 posts back

Not really if we count OUT this last bizzness of 1:1 draw.

We are left with Phulwama followed by Balakot. India was never on the path to knock out bakis else balakot wouldn't have the first target. If the bakis had kept still we would have stopped then.

However, the door has still been kept open PLUS the door for future *preemptive* action has been kicked WIDE open.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby DrRatnadip » 28 Feb 2019 21:38

There was some rumour that paki pilot was beaten by locals assuming he was Indian..I am happy Abbinandan sir is safe

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 21:44

the "beaten by locals" has no real source where it appeared from. its impossible to backtrace much in twitter and pakis have a weaponized back end platform to instantly flood any twitter reply thread with dozens of replies ... i doubt they are all separate humans, maybe lots of fake accounts fed into by human operators in kafka/rabbitMQ type bespoke spamming fakenews system. they might have purchased it from somewhere like cambridge analytica.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 21:47

https://www.facebook.com/sundaarv/video ... 2706/?t=35

airport staff giving claps and welcome to soldiers passing through delhi airport.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby DrRatnadip » 28 Feb 2019 21:47

Singha wrote:the "beaten by locals" has no real source where it appeared from. its impossible to backtrace much in twitter and pakis have a weaponized back end platform to instantly flood any twitter reply thread with dozens of replies ... i doubt they are all separate humans, maybe lots of fake accounts fed into by human operators in kafka/rabbitMQ type bespoke spamming fakenews system. they might have purchased it from somewhere like cambridge analytica.


You are right sir.. All the peace talk and acceptance of Truth is because they are scared as hell..

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby anmol » 28 Feb 2019 21:48

nam wrote:So son of a big shot. Looks like zamindary is quite alive in PAF. Sons get in to F16s..


I don't see any confirmation of this "Wg Cdr Shahzaz Ud Din" story. Following is the twitter account where this story originated.

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https://twitter.com/aditiya00021624

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 21:51

yeah here was our pilot, on the run from group of armed villagers and he would take time off to fatally shoot a wounded f16 pilot.

I can believe that.


this anand raj singh must be a ISI plant, trying to get our man killed. GOI needs to trace out these local twitter kamandus and jail them for misinfo and BIF plants.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby rohitv » 28 Feb 2019 21:52

Singha wrote:the "beaten by locals" has no real source where it appeared from. its impossible to backtrace much in twitter and pakis have a weaponized back end platform to instantly flood any twitter reply thread with dozens of replies ... i doubt they are all separate humans, maybe lots of fake accounts fed into by human operators in kafka/rabbitMQ type bespoke spamming fakenews system. they might have purchased it from somewhere like cambridge analytica.

It initially appeared on Rediff. https://news.rediff.com/commentary/2019 ... 75203dbf77

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 28 Feb 2019 21:53

Fired the gunshot is nonsense. Images of the stuff recovered from our pilot show the magazine was not used.

The twitter which I posted is from Air Mrshl Nambiar himself.


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