Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby tushar_m » 25 Mar 2019 11:13

#Update

PAF pilot Wng Comdr Mahmood resident of Gilgit killed in incident took place in Multan when ADS of PAF shot down it's own JF-17 Thunder.

Today early morning IAF was conducted a CAP near IB. May be in fear of IAF strike, this hit wicket incident of PAF came out.



https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 6646903809

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby mmasand » 25 Mar 2019 11:29

Aditya_V wrote:Hmmm Yet again there seems total internet black out except for the odd article for such a major item like an airport being closed and Notam issued, looks like Paki media is on a tight leash

Salam air flight OV258/OMS258 seems grounded at Multan.


OV258 landed in Multan about an hour ago after taking off from Lahore, it was initially diverted to Lahore.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 11:30

Just like POK, has Pakistan shut down internet in Multan area also ? Thanks for info on OV258
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 11:37

Prabu wrote:Article is from IRDW, but the source is HT :)
F-16 didn’t down India’s MiG-21 Bison, says top Chinese military expert


This article is Hogwash, it has soo many inaccuracies

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Klaus » 25 Mar 2019 11:44

Singha wrote:Multan is 75% a military airport packed with hardened shelters


I suspect the Indian objective is to bomb the shelters in order to negate the air-delivered nuke option as thats the only credible deterrent left with TSP, having ferried all the missile warheads to Barbaria. IAF alongwith IA is creating several false flag situations which is causing massive shalwar browning & green-on-green firing. A demo of Indian capabilities vis-a-vis hardened shelters was given by B'mos strike on Feb 26.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Jayram » 25 Mar 2019 12:07

India should continue stress testing of Pakistan on all 3 dimensions. Scare the heck of their borders and then monitor the heck out of their Radar transmissions and aircraft movements and O/L. Any long term intelligence regarding their strategic locations can be very beneficial. And if we can suck up any and all radio transmissions a la kargil between KSA and Pak that would be the a clear bonus

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby habal » 25 Mar 2019 12:10

the stanis are panicking, they haven't even bothered to properly link the air defence systems with whatever iff protocol they are using. Rather than chinese jf17 being shot down, my guess it is another f16 shot down by the chinese SAM which identified it as a foe.

PAF uses link 16 for f16 coms and a homegrown 'link 17' for jf17, j7 and mirage coms.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 12:16

habal wrote:the stanis are panicking, they haven't even bothered to properly link the air defence systems with whatever iff protocol they are using. Rather than chinese jf17 being shot down, my guess it is another f16 shot down by the chinese SAM which identified it as a foe.

PAF uses link 16 for f16 coms and a homegrown 'link 17' for jf17, j7 and mirage coms.


This is probably CT, but JF-17 and Chinese IFF may not be that capable, LY 80 may not be that good at IFF and shot down JF-17 which probably didn't have a good RWR, F-16 would probably on finding the lock by LY 80 would have turned and burned and been out of range of LY-80.

j-7PG and Mirages I doubt it has these even glass cockpit and communication equipment to use datalinks.

The best part, dare the Pakis to switch on the LY-80 system in Karachi which they were Brandishing on twitter on the night of 27-Feb.

Now that we know this weakness, we should make out Aircraft come soem 10KM from IB whenever civilian aircraft take off from Multan or come in to land, lets see what happens

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Anujan » 25 Mar 2019 12:24

UlanBatori wrote:The 12 must be See- Near Aphsars. The aam NLI gets burned in pits or floated down the nearest river as in Balakote. So I assume about 150 dead as a conservative minimum.
Helicopter ride.. coffins! Trip to HQ! :rotfl: Not for the aam cannon-fodder of PA. Remember Kargil? They were found with dried grass in their stomachs. While Mush and his See Near Aphsars swilled whisky in Pindi.




Kargil was pre-youtube days. There is this famous video of IA returning TFTA bodies after many days (since the TFTAs didnt collect them). Even after that they had the temerity to declare "mujahideen" were in Kargil. I still remember TV and debates on outlook magazine if they were really soldiers.

PS> Watch as IA afsar does not forget to ask forms signed in triplicate :mrgreen:

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 25 Mar 2019 13:07

Who in their right mind reads and posts on twitter while driving? But pak has sm warriors on cap who posted tanks in sialkot to now playinff ghazals in multan roads supposedly.

Their sm missiles are their potent weapon. Rest is sketchy

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 13:09

Well Pakis have not come with some credible reason for the sudden closure of Multan airport and with Rape having heard explosions, Baba banaras tweet is true, then LY 80 cannot be switched on when PAF or civilian aircraft are operating. Great

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby dhyana » 25 Mar 2019 13:11

Aditya_V wrote:
This is probably CT, but JF-17 and Chinese IFF may not be that capable, LY 80 may not be that good at IFF and shot down JF-17 which probably didn't have a good RWR, F-16 would probably on finding the lock by LY 80 would have turned and burned and been out of range of LY-80.


May be that's actually what happened?
Fearing another strike by India, Pakistan deploys Chinese-made air defence system at LoC

As per reports, air defence missiles, deployed near the Indian border, include five LY-80 (HQ-16) surface-to-air missile units and IBIS-150 surveillance radar batteries that can track and destroy a variety of aerial targets at longer ranges flying at low and medium altitude.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 13:18

Just thinking allowed if we keep our aircraft flying near the LOC, may become Cobras/ MI17's/ Transports/JF 17 of the PA or PAF will become further causualties of LY 80 IFF issue? will be nice if it happens

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby manjgu » 25 Mar 2019 13:32

reporting intense fighter flying...3 SU 30 just flew overhead after a weeks haitus !! loud sounds...

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 13:37

Intercept Mission?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Iyersan » 25 Mar 2019 13:59

manjgu wrote:reporting intense fighter flying...3 SU 30 just flew overhead after a weeks haitus !! loud sounds...

Where are u based?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Kashi » 25 Mar 2019 14:02

Iyersan wrote:
manjgu wrote:reporting intense fighter flying...3 SU 30 just flew overhead after a weeks haitus !! loud sounds...

Where are u based?


Perhaps such queries are best avoided. Plenty of lurkers on these forums, not all benign.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Dilbu » 25 Mar 2019 14:38

manjgu saar, please do a delayed reporting sort of thing if you are going to report such things. I am sure you are doing this even now.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 25 Mar 2019 14:45

Prabu wrote:Article is from IRDW, but the source is HT :)
F-16 didn’t down India’s MiG-21 Bison, says top Chinese military expert

Your Headline to link is dishonest and misleading, he claims Cheeni jet shot it down instead of amrikan

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 25 Mar 2019 15:09

There was a PAF jet crash in Multan yesterday night. Not sure of the type or reason.

https://twitter.com/Farhananjum/status/ ... 9012000768

Some Paks saying caught fire while fueling, You don't need to close the runway for that.

We will be able to see where it crashed once GE is updated..

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby mmasand » 25 Mar 2019 15:09

Flights to Multan airport resume after early morning suspension

MULTAN: All flights to the Multan International Airport resumed on Monday morning hours after their suspension owing to “operational reasons”.

Flight operations at the airport were suspended around 2:25am on Monday, a statement issued by the airport’s spokesperson said, explaining that the runway had to be shut down due to “operational reasons”.

All flights that were destined to land in Multan were diverted to Karachi and Lahore, the spokesperson said.

Operations were resumed at 8am, some 6.5 hours after they were suspended.

Recently, following the tensions between Pakistan and India, the Civil Aviation Authority had closed the country’s airspace for all flight operations in the end of February.

The suspension of, specially, the eastern airspace lasted for weeks at the airports of Sialkot, Bahawalpur, Rahim Yar Khan and D. G. Khan as CAA had said no flight would enter Pakistan from Indian airspace.


Source: https://arynews.tv/en/flights-multan-airport-resume-suspension-operations/

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 15:14

nam wrote:There was a PAF jet crash in Multan yesterday night. Not sure of the type or reason.

https://twitter.com/Farhananjum/status/ ... 9012000768

Some Paks saying caught fire while fueling, You don't need to close the runway for that.

We will be able to see where it crashed once GE is updated..


So that part about PAF fighter jet crashing is true and some mobile videos are there of it. Hope it was due to LY 80 IFF issue. Closing the airport is fine due to fighter jet crash, but why close the airspace around it? points more towards LY 80 malfunction

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 25 Mar 2019 15:15

Klaus wrote:
Singha wrote:Multan is 75% a military airport packed with hardened shelters


I suspect the Indian objective is to bomb the shelters in order to negate the air-delivered nuke option as thats the only credible deterrent left with TSP, having ferried all the missile warheads to Barbaria. IAF alongwith IA is creating several false flag situations which is causing massive shalwar browning & green-on-green firing. A demo of Indian capabilities vis-a-vis hardened shelters was given by B'mos strike on Feb 26.


Sir what's the source for this?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 25 Mar 2019 15:45

can anyone post video of the crash?

btw how did the SA3/SA6 missile fired by syrian AD unit at F16s hiding near russian elint plane target it. even if the f16 had been flying alongside it, the IFF still should have worked both being russian made weapons.

there was no reason to fire a LY80 large SAM unless something big intrusion was going on...perhaps the radar mistook a friendly fighter as a hostile and autofired. it has happened with nato also and in ODS, atleast one tornado was downed by a friendly SAM. another tornado managed to fire a ALARM ARM and sneak away.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 15:55

This link has a video taken on mobile of the crash landing at Multan airport but too far to make anything.

https://www.mangobaaz.com/multans-air-space-was-shut-down-and-social-media-is-causing-unnecessary-drama

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby VikasM » 25 Mar 2019 16:28

Seen the video earlier. Shot from too far and grainy. Can't make any sense out of it. To an untrained eye, blinking lights possibly from rescue and fire trucks. No bird in sight, on fire or without.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Prabu » 25 Mar 2019 16:29

Manish_Sharma wrote:
Prabu wrote:Article is from IDRW, but the source is HT :)
F-16 didn’t down India’s MiG-21 Bison, says top Chinese military expert

Your Headline to link is dishonest and misleading, he claims Cheeni jet shot it down instead of amrikan


I am sorry, i do not understand. I just quoted the sources of the article :!: :?: :| I have edited the typo in the name.(IDRW)

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 25 Mar 2019 16:32

VikasM wrote:Seen the video earlier. Shot from too far and grainy. Can't make any sense out of it. To an untrained eye, blinking lights possibly from rescue and fire trucks. No bird in sight, on fire or without.


it must have crash landed on or near the runway, hence the diversion of flights for few hours until everything was cleaned out.
need not be a full on crash, could be stuff like undercarriage collapse or overshooting into the side without fire....happens sometimes even to civilian airliners.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 16:37

Fact - PAF Aircraft crash landed at Multan, unknowns - Fate of Pilot and reason for crash landing and whether the aircraft is a write off or repairable.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby VikasM » 25 Mar 2019 16:42

Prabu wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote:Your Headline to link is dishonest and misleading, he claims Cheeni jet shot it down instead of amrikan


I am sorry, i do not understand. I just quoted the sources of the article :!: :?: :| I have edited the typo in the name.(IDRW)


Agree. Misleading, dishonest and veiled. And yeah, I think the comment was directed at article and not you.

PS: If I were you, would always try linking the real source, rather aggregator. IDRW is the latter.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 25 Mar 2019 16:42

hypothesis: missile exploded near bandar, which was damaged. pilot tried to recover to multan, but crashed on landing...?

i also wonder if IFF systems have some limitations

1. switched off to provide anonymity/cover - i.e. no emissions to be detected (e.g. during penetration of enemy airspace)
2. loss of signal/obscuration under specific conditions (e.g. electromagnetic interference in the atmosphere)

or of course there is the possibility that the microscopic yak dung particles in the skies over pakistan created an em spectrum anomaly which the bandar flew in to...

fun facts about multan
a. Holi originates in a temple in Multan
b. Alex the Macedonian Bandit was speared in the gut whilst storming the battlements of Multan by a saffron bandit. Alex never recovered from this wound

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 25 Mar 2019 16:53

Multani mitti od beauty industry also

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby AdityaM » 25 Mar 2019 17:10

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/448264 ... -says-ispr

we first chose the targets, and when the targets were locked by the aircraft, we shifted the point of impact to a safety distance where there was no infrastructure or human life, meaning thereby that we wanted to tell Indians that we had the capability to hit that military target, but in the interest of peace of the region we are only showing you our capability," Ghafoor said

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby VikasM » 25 Mar 2019 17:16

^^ How mighty and thoughtful. Where's that LMAO emoji times a million. That made my day. Hahaha

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Mar 2019 17:20

AdityaM wrote:https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/448264-during-dogfight-with-indian-planes-all-our-fighter-jets-were-airborne-says-ispr


From the article

"The aircraft which engaged those targets and fought them were JF-17. As regard to how to use F-16, in what context [they] were used or not — because at that point of time our entire Air Force was airborne — now it remains between Pakistan and the US to see how the MoUs regarding the use of F-16 have been adhered to or otherwise," Ghafoor said.


Hmmm so entire PAF was airborne for 1 sortie,

Targets were engaged by JF-17 but F-16 was airborne and used or not. Slowly climbign down from no F-16's used that day.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby jandash00 » 25 Mar 2019 17:26

AdityaM wrote:https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/448264-during-dogfight-with-indian-planes-all-our-fighter-jets-were-airborne-says-ispr

we first chose the targets, and when the targets were locked by the aircraft, we shifted the point of impact to a safety distance where there was no infrastructure or human life, meaning thereby that we wanted to tell Indians that we had the capability to hit that military target, but in the interest of peace of the region we are only showing you our capability," Ghafoor said


Thank you Jarnail Gafoon for showing us how quickly PAF tucks its tail and RTB......next time you won't get a chance to even do that....

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 25 Mar 2019 17:31

LOL, PAF fanboys - which is worse? Your bombs missed because your pilots ran OR your Pakistani military/PAF were too cowardly to attack Indian targets?

Make your choice.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Klaus » 25 Mar 2019 17:38

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
Sir what's the source for this?


Possible 'accident' in nuke weapons storage facility

Date of event is uncertain though, burn marks on the ground are not.


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