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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Cain Marko » 27 Mar 2019 13:13

Raveen wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:Seriously? If India can shoot down missiles why is a satellite any more difficult? Why now is the big question? Feint to China?


The US can shoot down missiles too, but they still tested asat
Ditto for Russia
Ditto got China

And they all announced it
Obviously its a capability that all these nations believe is a deterrent


Did their presidents or PMs send out such cryptic messages beforehand and then come out on national media with it? Just wondering. This is not to demean the achievement, it's great but was a known quantity as seen from Karans post. What was the need to be so grandiose about it. Mangalyaan I understand.
But this? There is more to this than meets the eye I'm guessing.. And it better not be a stupid political gimmick although I suspect it'll get labeled as such by the opposition. As an election gimmick it actually would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby SriKumar » 27 Mar 2019 13:14

Obviously no NOTAM would have been issued for this launch.
Launch site of the missile would be of interest.
CEP of this would have to in the order of a few meters. Guessing that the Action was likely over the skies of Bay of Bengal? Latitude of the satellite destroyed would be nice to know 8).
Could be anywhere, including Indian Ocean. And yes, it need not be be Agni -v. Kinetic kill or explosive warhead?
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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 13:14

shashankk wrote:Great News. couldn't control my emotions after hearing about it. As per me its almost as good as nuclear tests in terms of validating our capability in real scenario.


Good man. You get the import!

https://idsa.in/idsacomments/ShouldIndi ... ele_110712

Should India Conduct an ASAT Test Now?
Gp. Capt. Ajey Lele (Retd.) is Senior Fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, New Delhi.

Is debating an ASAT test without any major provocation (assuming that the 2007 Chinese ASAT test was not a provocation) justifiable? Here, it is important to note that the security policy of a state is not only about responding to the prevailing geopolitical situation but also to cater for its long-term interests.
It is not only about reacting to a major event but also about influencing global events to favour the state’s agenda either through diplomacy or through actions that would force others to take notice of its concerns.

For the last few years the European Union (EU) has initiated a debate on the need to introduce transparency and confidence-building measures in outer space activities (TCBMS). In this regard, it has also prepared a draft code of conduct (CoC) for others to consider. In October 2012 global negotiations for an International Code of Conduct (CoC) for Outer Space would commence in New York. There is a possibility that a CoC mechanism would be in place by 2013. This multilateral diplomatic process to discuss and negotiate an International CoC for Outer Space is the first serious step towards negotiating on outer space issues after the launch of the first satellite Sputnik in 1957.

Against this backdrop, it is important to discuss various issues concerning space security, and ASAT is one of them. There is a need to undertake a detailed appreciation of this issue by assessing various geostrategic, geopolitical and technological factors.

The first question which India needs to ask itself is: would the states with proven ASAT capability be in a position of strength to undertake the CoC negotiations than other powers? And, if so, should India undertake such potency demonstrations before setting out for negotiations?

The second question that India must ask itself is: what is the history of non-proliferation negotiations with regard to states having an advantage if they have proven technological superiority over others? The experience in global negotiations on nuclear weapons shows that the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) is essentially about a group of five nuclear weapons states coming together and deciding the policies for the rest of the world. A hypothetical scenario exists that in future states with ASAT capability could come together and device a treaty mechanism which could prove biased like the NPT. If India does not become an ASAT power by that time, then it could be part of a discriminated group of nations once again. In the field of chemical weapons as well, it has been seen that only the US and Russia are missing the deadline for destruction of their weapon stockpile and that too, as per the current estimates, by around 10 years. The reasons given for such lapses are technological and economic limitations and the rest of the world has meekly accepted this.

The third question for India in this regard is: would India’s ASAT start the process of space weaponisation and arms race in the region? The regional geopolitical landscape does indicate the possibility of a knee-jerk reaction from Pakistan or China. However, China has already demonstrated its ASAT capabilities and its investments and achievements in the space arena supersede those of India. Pakistan being a non-space-faring nation does not belong to the same category as that of India and China. However, it is important to note that a non space-faring nation too can develop an ASAT capability if it is a missile power. Also, knowledge of rocket science is not essential to develop jamming capabilities.

The fourth question for India is: what is the nature of the threat to India’s space assets and which actors pose a probable threat? For any adversary, India’s remote sensing satellites like Cartographic satellites or Radar satellites could become prime targets. China has proven capability to undertake such attacks.

The fifth question is: if India were to decide to demonstrate its ASAT capabilities, then which technology trajectory should it follow? Broadly, there are two technological routes in this regard. One, the Kinetic Kill Vehicle (KKV) method, where a missile with a metal warhead (without any munitions) is fired from the ground towards the target and the target gets disintegrated by the impact. The other option is to use jamming technologies (“softer” methods). However, jamming may not be an ‘impact’ weapon’. With regard to KKV, it is important to note that accurate engagement of the target is critical for success. China had used a similar technology to demonstrate its ASAT potential in January 2007 and various reports suggest that China succeeded only in its third or fourth attempt.

The sixth question is: should India behave as an irresponsible nation and increase space debris by undertaking an ASAT test the way China did? The obvious answer to this is no. Is it possible to demonstrate ASAT capability without creating debris? For this purpose India could conduct a test in the lower part of atmosphere (say in the range of 150 to 250 km altitude) where the created debris would enter the earth’s atmosphere and burn off. For such a demonstration, India first would have to launch a dummy satellite as a target.

The seventh question is: “what could be the global reaction to such a demonstrative test by India? Globally, two major tests have been conducted (by China and the US) during the last five years. The Chinese test has been criticized vociferously mainly because it ended up creating massive debris, while the US test was conducted under the garb of ‘transparency’ and was announced beforehand. The US test was done in lower altitudes thus avoiding any major injection of debris in space. It appears that the hidden motive behind both these states was successfully achieved. Since no proper legal regime exists in the space arena, technically neither test violated any global norm. Hypothetically, if India were to conduct such a test (without creating any debris) then it should be viewed as a technology demonstrator.

These are some basic questions that India needs to ask itself. A decision to conduct an ASAT test has to be a nuanced one considering the strategic advantages such a test could offer and the diplomatic elbow room that it would give during negotiations on a space arms control mechanism.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Vamsee » 27 Mar 2019 13:16

Did India test today to get in before door is closed? We may have a ASAT test ban soon to lock others out like nuke tests?

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Yogi_G » 27 Mar 2019 13:18

Now, I would not wait hold my breath to hear how Pakistan will retaliate to this "aggression" by also destroying a satellite in Low earth orbit :D. They have only one satellite made in pindi-khana and how to destroy only ji?

Chankian Modi came up with something Im the Dim cannot counter by "demonstrating capability" onlee. Maybe they will send a suicide bomber to blow up a mock satellite in some space agency or space museum somewhere.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Raveen » 27 Mar 2019 13:19

dipak wrote:
Wondering, any update about the debris ...?


What about them? Do you want them in a to go box?

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Cain Marko » 27 Mar 2019 13:20

Karan M wrote:
shashankk wrote:Great News. couldn't control my emotions after hearing about it. As per me its almost as good as nuclear tests in terms of validating our capability in real scenario.


Good man. You get the import!

https://idsa.in/idsacomments/ShouldIndi ... ele_110712

[b]Should India Conduct an ASAT Test Now?
Gp. Capt. Ajey Lele (Retd.) is Senior Fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, New Delhi.

These are some basic questions that India needs to ask itself. A decision to conduct an ASAT test has to be a nuanced one considering the strategic advantages such a test could offer and the diplomatic elbow room that it would give during negotiations on a space arms control mechanism.


Thanks Karan, that article provided great context. Seems like the timing was key...

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Mollick.R » 27 Mar 2019 13:22

Wowww.... Surprised.

Must be related with subtle hint of some Chinky mischief or related with upcoming NSG membership meeting. According to me the formal demonstration of this power will be ranked among top 4 strategic happenings of Bharatvarsh ,Pokhran-1, Agni-5, Arihant are previous three.


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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby JE Menon » 27 Mar 2019 13:23

"or whatever the weapon is that we would like to use"

Interesting phrase from the S. Christopher interview given to NDTV, posted above.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 13:25

A solid slap on the face of "domestic critics" of Saraswat and co who set this up, Modi's critics who think he doesn't have a strong policy on national defence and finally the so called scholars of the arms control community.

https://rightlog.in/2019/03/asat-india-01/

In a major announcement, PM Modi has stated that India has emerged as a major space power. In a major achievement, Indian scientists have shot down a live satellite 300 km away in the low earth orbit. Anti-satellite weapon, A-Sat was used for this mission. In a mega leap in India’s space power, Codenamed “Mission Shakti”, the mission has emerged as a big success. India has therefore announced its Anti-Satellite Missile system. PM Modi stated that this mission was achieved in only 3 minutes. This is a big leap in India’s National Security and Interest.

He made it clear that India is only the fourth country in the world to reach this position after the US, China and Russia. PM Modi made it clear that India has not violated any rule of International Law and that this step has been taken keeping in mind the security and welfare of the 130 crore citizens of the country.

According to a story by The Diplomat in 2016, doubts had been raised about India’s ASAT (Anti-Satellite) weapons capability in the past. The report stated, “The statements (about India’s ASAT weapons potential) by V.K. Saraswat, former DRDO chief created ripples all over, at home his statements were dismissed by certain scholars as an exaggeration. :mrgreen:

Questioning India’s “purported” capabilities, scholars like Michael Listner and Victoria Samson have pointed out that without conducting a test and demonstrating its ASAT capability explicitly, India will only be seen as a “paper tiger” by the arms control and intelligence community. Listner pointed out that the acknowledgement by Saraswat about India developing and bringing together the basic technologies to create a system that could be used against enemy satellites, and the decision to adapt India’s ABM technology for an ASAT role was “doubtless encouraged by the ancillary capability demonstrated by the United States when it adapted its ABM system to deorbit USA 193 in 2008.” :roll: ("doubtless encouraged", how can 'em indians think of stuff like building blocks on their own")

But should such ancillary capability be taken as an evidence of full ASAT capability?” However, now that India has been able to achieve has cleared all doubts about India’s capability.


It is clear that India has been able to achieve an amazing milestone by entering the elite club of countries that boast of the cutting edge ASAT (Anti-Satellite) weapon technology. The brains behind this Mission deserve to be applauded for achieving this huge milestone.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Venkarl » 27 Mar 2019 13:27

LEO Satellite blown to pieces ....Kudos to "Mission Shakti's" team who gave India space grade weapons....a very happy and proud day for India and her children.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Singha » 27 Mar 2019 13:28

recently Raj47ji has outed some chinese laser weapons being put in place ... just saying ... UBCN pls report for analysis

https://twitter.com/rajfortyseven/statu ... 3440993285

https://theprint.in/defence/these-futur ... es/210212/


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#EMP & mobile pulse generators being experimented.
#RISAT1 & #GSAT6A still fresh in mind.

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Any official source which confirms that RISAT6 and GSAT6A was destroyed by china using these weapons?

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 13:28

And the poor jokers in Diplomat in 2016
https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/indias- ... e-weapons/

While the statements by V.K. Saraswat created ripples all over, at home his statements were dismissed by certain scholars as an exaggeration. Questioning India’s “purported” capabilities, scholars like Michael Listner and Victoria Samson have pointed out that without conducting a test and demonstrating its ASAT capability explicitly, India will only be seen as a “paper tiger” by the arms control and intelligence community. Listner pointed out that the acknowledgement by Saraswat about India developing and bringing together the basic technologies to create a system that could be used against enemy satellites, and the decision to adapt India’s ABM technology for an ASAT role was “doubtless encouraged by the ancillary capability demonstrated by the United States when it adapted its ABM system to deorbit USA 193 in 2008.” But should such ancillary capability be taken as a evidence of full ASAT capability? :mrgreen: (Idiots, when you don't know the first thing about what building blocks are, dismiss them "ancillary capabilities" and can't even see the big picture, how the f" do you get to call yourself scholars??)

Expressing perplexity over contradictory statements from Indian officials, and their refusal to clear the air about India’s ASAT program, Listner states that public statements about India’s purported ASAT capability seem to “fit neither an active program to develop an ASAT or an ancillary capability to ballistic missile defense.”

However, in 2011, Bharath Gopalaswamy, who was then a researcher in the Arms Control and Non-Proliferation Program at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, claimed that India’s scientific community is open to an ASAT test, if it was done with caution. Rajeswari Rajagopalan, senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, a New Delhi based think tank, said that “India might do an ASAT test in the next five to 10 years.” While these statements are illuminating as to the going-ons in India’s academic and scientific circles, actually testing India’s purported ASAT capacity is easier said than done. As pointed out by Arvind Kumar, professor of Geopolitics and International Relations at Manipal University, ASAT capabilities require a number of technologies related to space-based sensors, synthetic aperture radars, electronics, a sound navigation system, guidance and control, and global positioning systems. A number of different types of sensors, including infrared sensors, optical sensors, electronic-optical sensors, and magnetic sensors are vital to monitor, detect, and help in sensing the events. Whether India has the ability to acquire or build these technologies is doubtful. :mrgreen:Dear Arvind Kumar-ji, please order some egg omelette at Manipal University mess and have it. I believe it will be quite tasty and better than egg on the face.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby hnair » 27 Mar 2019 13:29

Vamsee wrote:Did India test today to get in before door is closed? We may have a ASAT test ban soon to lock others out like nuke tests?


yes. No point in waiting for such events as NPT, MTCR etc

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby ArjunPandit » 27 Mar 2019 13:33

Well you know it could have also been done some su 30 or MIG 29..I asked this a few days back only.. Also will the orbital velocity on the interception lower orbit vs high earth orbit or medium earth orbit and detecting a lower orbit satellite

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby dipak » 27 Mar 2019 13:34

Raveen wrote:
dipak wrote:
Wondering, any update about the debris ...?


What about them? Do you want them in a to go box?


IDSA article answers this question, at that height the debris would burn into atmosphere.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Shekhar Singh » 27 Mar 2019 13:37

So beheno aur bhaiyon, initial details are coming in. The vehicle used for India's first ASAT test had a booster from the Agni family, mated to a second stage from another surface to surface missile. Importantly, the kinetic kill vehicle that arms the PDV was used for impact.
https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/111 ... 51936?s=19

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Singha » 27 Mar 2019 13:39

historical footage of f15 asat missile test. note the side optical window, needed for ABM weapons to track off-boresight flight arc of the target.
our ABM weapons have this side window as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf3KCkRepVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyDbJ2l-jiI

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Singha » 27 Mar 2019 13:42

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Only those who have demonstrated ASAT capability will sit at the high table of the new Space NPT that is being quietly negotiated.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 13:43

Michael Listner ji, of the 1st world "The Space Review". You can see how this moron was coming with all sorts of claims to coerce India into not doing the test. So much for that. My comments in brackets.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1807/1

A prospect such as the one presented with USA 193 may not manifest itself for India to test its ASAT, unless it intentionally places a satellite in orbit in order to manufacture a situation similar to the one that the United States faced with USA 193. Otherwise, India would have to utilize one of its own existing satellites already in stable orbit. When questioned about which satellite India would likely choose for a test, Gopalaswamy identified India’s RITSAT-2, which orbits at an altitude of 551 kilometers (298 nautical miles), as a likely candidate.11

Even if India fulfills its obligations under the Article IX of the Outer Space Treaty, it is questionable whether such a test would be looked upon favorably. The altitude of the satellite is such that its destruction could produce a debris field, which could linger in orbit for a considerable time and represent a hazard to other spacecraft.12
(which is why we went for 300km instead)

Furthermore, the test of an ASAT could be considered an aggressive military action and would be inconsistent with India’s stance that it aligns itself with the Outer Space Treaty’s precept of the peaceful use of outer space.13 ( be Gandhian you indoos, know your place :(()

An attempt to perform such a test unilaterally without consulting the international community could result in serious international repercussions and could even affect its burgeoning relations with the United States in terms of space cooperation.14 ( know your place!!) :((

Although China avoided serious international repercussions from its ASAT test in 2007, it is unlikely that India would enjoy similar immunity and could find itself at the center of a serious political and diplomatic tempest, a fact that India’s officials are likely aware of.15 (don't be like china, know your place!!)

India would also have to consider what a unilateral test could do to its credibility in the international circle with relation to orbital debris mitigation. India is a member of the Inter-Agency Space Debris Coordination Committee (IADC), and it contributed significantly to crafting that organizations mitigation guidelines. A successful test of an ASAT by India and the resulting debris field could seriously erode it credibility in that arena. :lol: :lol: ( a bit too desparate me thinks)

There is also a possibility that an ASAT test could inadvertently spark an international crisis with China. The resulting debris from an ASAT test could contaminate a large orbital area and potentially create a hazard to Chinese satellites. Regardless of the debris produced by an ASAT test, China might consider such a test as a provocative action.( :eek: be scared of china)

India also has to consider the possibility that a test could fail, and such a failure might not go unnoticed. Even though India may have the technology to produce an ASAT capacity it does not guarantee that it will work the first time out. The deorbit of USA 193 performed by the United States was planned with multiple attempts to take down the satellite to ensure the satellite was safely deorbited. The stakes of an ASAT test for India are far greater. ( be afraid of failure, H&D, this, that)!!

The uncertainty of India’s ASAT capability works to its benefit, and that uncertainty can be a powerful tool for deterrence. India could effectively squander that uncertainty if it decides to perform a test of its ASAT and it does not perform as touted first time out. A failure would not only be a blow to the technical and scientific community of India, but it could also affect India’s national security as it would provide China a level of certainty that India does not have an effective ASAT capability. (dont do a test, keep them guessing, its ok.. can you just smell the desparation here to convince India to *not* demonstrate its capability?)

It is uncertainty surrounding India’s ASAT ambitions that may be its best weapon to protect its space assets, and it may be what India is ultimately seeking. The combined statements of Saraswat after the March 6th test concerning India’s “proven” ASAT capability and the statements made by Bharath Gopalaswamy at the Secure World Foundation panel discussion touting a test of India’s ASAT capacity in five to ten years may be orchestrated posturing from within India’s government designed to stoke the flames of uncertainty with China as the intended audience. (... So Indians can only posture onleee.. not do anything in reality)

Conclusion

The question of whether India has a proven ASAT will not be answered until India performs a full-up test. Technical realities, international politics, and geographical concerns make such a test chancy. (And there you go, heres a pie, smack it in your face) :mrgreen:

Unless a situation arises where India feels that it needs to employ its ASAT, India’s best weapon of choice is uncertainty, and if uncertainty is India’s strategy then its ASAT capability will likely remain a paper tiger for the arms control community and the intelligence community to ponder and for its neighbor China to consider. (such a nice circular argument to make him feel great about himself") :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby siqir » 27 Mar 2019 13:44

china azhar unsc block was on 14th march or so

clock on this would have started soon after
so less than two weeks from go ahead is my guess
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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Deans » 27 Mar 2019 13:51

I suppose the usual suspects will now ask for proof.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 13:53

General note to all. A handful of silly posts have been deleted.

Focus on the rationale and with serious posts. Such decisions are not made in a rush. Stupid attempts to discredit the GOI on the basis of your political dislike for the current admin., will elicit warnings.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 13:56

Deans wrote:I suppose the usual suspects will now ask for proof.


Let them. I think to take this important step for our natsec was a great move.

This is again setting a precedent, just like Balakot, which future Govts will have to stand by. All the attempts to do another sly NPT on us just went for a toss.

I hope more details emerge on the systems we used for the test as well. They add to deterrence by demonstrating our proven ability. A few folks know of the kind of capabilities we have inducted (its publicly available, but less remarked which is OK) but I hope these were entirely relying on home-grown capabilities.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby disha » 27 Mar 2019 13:57

Party time today, analysis time tomorrow!

If there is a word called 'Chini-bsjwa-e-behind', here it is, here it is, here it is!

China does not have the kind of ASAT capability which India has!

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 14:01

Cain Marko wrote:
Karan M wrote:
Good man. You get the import!

https://idsa.in/idsacomments/ShouldIndi ... ele_110712

[b]Should India Conduct an ASAT Test Now?
Gp. Capt. Ajey Lele (Retd.) is Senior Fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, New Delhi.

These are some basic questions that India needs to ask itself. A decision to conduct an ASAT test has to be a nuanced one considering the strategic advantages such a test could offer and the diplomatic elbow room that it would give during negotiations on a space arms control mechanism.


Thanks Karan, that article provided great context. Seems like the timing was key...


You are welcome. Its a great article and IMHO points out each and every point because of which we *had* to do this test.

I hope the current GOI, before May, takes many more such far-reaching steps and stands, so irrespective of who comes in after May, the strategic table is well-set for India.

You can literally smell the desparation in the spacereview article to convince India to not test & simultaneously dismiss its capabilities as those of a paper tiger. They wanted to hem us in.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby nash » 27 Mar 2019 14:03

https://twitter.com/Hemant_TNIE/status/1110814825490178049

#India test fires high speed interceptor #missile capable of destroying satellites and long range enemy missiles. The MK-II version of PDV interceptor is learnt to have killed a low orbit satellite. (File photo of PDV MK-I) #Odisha @NewIndianXpress


PDV Mk-II as per Hemant Rout.

so Phase II of Indian BMD program has started .. ?

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 14:06

PM's Address to Nation on ASAT


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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby mmasand » 27 Mar 2019 14:07

Raveen wrote:
dipak wrote:
Wondering, any update about the debris ...?


What about them? Do you want them in a to go box?


Loool, it will be at least a year before it re-enters the planet, if it doesn't disintegrate upon entry.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Cain Marko » 27 Mar 2019 14:09

Karan M wrote:
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Thanks Karan, that article provided great context. Seems like the timing was key...


You are welcome. Its a great article and IMHO points out each and every point because of which we *had* to do this test.

I hope the current GOI, before May, takes many more such far-reaching steps and stands, so irrespective of who comes in after May, the strategic table is well-set for India.

You can literally smell the desparation in the spacereview article to convince India to not test & simultaneously dismiss its capabilities as those of a paper tiger. They wanted to hem us in.

It would be truly ballsy to order another 36 rafale before the elections. And the naval mrh contract too.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 14:09

And for the obvious reason the name was Mission Shakti - please remember the tests in 1998, were part of. Operation Shakti. The ramifications are obvious.

Summary of video. PM is clearly happy and in the video he specifically mentions, ASAT, reiterates LEO at 300km, congratulates DRDO repeatedly, and reiterates importance of satellites and this ability is defensive and intended to protect our assets, puts in a message to international community, reiterates India's commitment for de-weaponization of space, is legal per international commitments.
Reiterates this was essential for Bharat's security, economic progress and maintaining its technological progress as well. Clearly says "I have a vision of India which thinks and plans ahead, and then has the courage to execute on that plan". Can't get clearer than that.

Its pretty clear this was discussed extensively at PMO/ MEA/MOD/DOS level and the ramifications of this required PM to speak up and lend his heft to this event. This is *serious* stuff and not a decision taken on a whim.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby TKiran » 27 Mar 2019 14:11

Gurus, this is a question from absolute layman about space and technology...

Isn't it better to develop Laser technology to burn the satellite, than using a KKV? Please pardon me for such a silly question..

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby chetak » 27 Mar 2019 14:15

Raveen wrote:
dipak wrote:
Wondering, any update about the debris ...?


What about them? Do you want them in a to go box?


it's a democracy, let the boy talk.

proof is important, no??.

how else do we get the commies/naxals/urban naxals on the same page and side, at the same time??

Once they are gathered, nuke them all. :twisted:

one is merely a matter of FOS, while the other is a matter of national security. It is a no contest.
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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby dipak » 27 Mar 2019 14:18

Karan M wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:
Thanks Karan, that article provided great context. Seems like the timing was key...


You are welcome. Its a great article and IMHO points out each and every point because of which we *had* to do this test.

I hope the current GOI, before May, takes many more such far-reaching steps and stands, so irrespective of who comes in after May, the strategic table is well-set for India.

You can literally smell the desparation in the spacereview article to convince India to not test & simultaneously dismiss its capabilities as those of a paper tiger. They wanted to hem us in.

One gets a sense of 'bending over knees' while reading the article. He's literally begging to not test .

On the other side, seems his desperate pleas not to test worked for full 8 years, 2011 to now.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Dilbu » 27 Mar 2019 14:21

Wow.. Jai Hind onlee.

But I bhill not believe the details of demonstrated capabilities against cheena until I see the UBCN report on this.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 14:25

About debris - the height has been chosen for it to burn up on re-entry.
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=NYt ... at&f=false

A possible template to showcase technological capabilities may lie in following a strategic engagement of a low flying asset that may not sustain any in orbit debris but will be completely destroyed in entry in upper and lower atmosphere


Goes onto say the US did this in 2008 and hence we can do it too, provided we lower a satellite to the correct height.
USA-193 satellite was hit at 247 km by the US Navy using a SM-3.

We just hit ours at 300 km.

So don't worry, this too was thought out carefully. :)

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 14:28

dipak wrote:One gets a sense of 'bending over knees' while reading the article. He's literally begging to not test .

On the other side, seems his desperate pleas not to test worked for full 8 years, 2011 to now.


Exactly - he's coming up with more and more absurd reasons.

I suspect the capabilities were put in place post 2014, beyond "we can do this" but the aim was to develop a functional system, not just a one-off testbed (remember how carefully the BMD system was set-up from the word-go) and trigger given to PMO/PM just recently. That we have done this, now please make it operational.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Dumal » 27 Mar 2019 14:29

TKiran wrote:Gurus, this is a question from absolute layman about space and technology...

Isn't it better to develop Laser technology to burn the satellite, than using a KKV? Please pardon me for such a silly question..


Maybe that's there too... I remember something about Kali from some time back.

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Re: Indian ASAT test

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2019 14:34

Listen to the 10min speech & its crystal clear even reading between the lines as to what the intent of this test was. PM carefully elucidates what an ASAT is, the target struck, the height, what are satellites, how they are essential to India's progress, how they are even becoming essential to our lives, how this test was essential to protect them, states the 3 pillars of Indian progress and how they have to be protected, and how we have to foresee challenges and hence plan ahead to forestall them, by taking steps courageously today.

Can't get clearer than this.


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