Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 05 May 2019 12:04

India building copycat version of Britain's HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 997455.amp

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 May 2019 12:18

brar_w wrote:
Free P-8's? You've got to be kidding! Older stuff on the way to being decommissioned is one thing (P-3's) but there is not going to be any US administration that will propose handing its premier ASW platform to another operator for free at a time its own fleet growth is capped by budget constraints.

I mean structure it via a aid package call it peace panda or something(all US aid pkgs for deadly arms start with 'peace').
the Gotus pays the vendors directly for the israel and egypt aid pkgs annually.
israel pulls in close to $3b annually. over 5 years that will kit up vietnam to very high levels given they are a small country.
flood the place with quality weapons.

chola · Post by **chola** » 05 May 2019 14:42

MeshaVishwas wrote:India building copycat version of Britain's HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 997455.amp

Stupid headline. It is great news if we have decided on the Vishal though!

But I think it is just The Mirror jumping the gun. The MoD had not approved a plan yet even though the Navy brings up the 65K ton carrier every fiscal quarter.

kit · Post by **kit** » 05 May 2019 18:01

chola wrote:
MeshaVishwas wrote:India building copycat version of Britain's HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 997455.amp
Stupid headline. It is great news if we have decided on the Vishal though!

But I think it is just The Mirror jumping the gun. The MoD had not approved a plan yet even though the Navy brings up the 65K ton carrier every fiscal quarter.

what looks like one and sails like one isn't necessarily the same

kit · Post by **kit** » 05 May 2019 18:05

Singha wrote:
brar_w wrote:
Free P-8's? You've got to be kidding! Older stuff on the way to being decommissioned is one thing (P-3's) but there is not going to be any US administration that will propose handing its premier ASW platform to another operator for free at a time its own fleet growth is capped by budget constraints.
I mean structure it via a aid package call it peace panda or something(all US aid pkgs for deadly arms start with 'peace').
the Gotus pays the vendors directly for the israel and egypt aid pkgs annually.
israel pulls in close to $3b annually. over 5 years that will kit up vietnam to very high levels given they are a small country.
flood the place with quality weapons.

Vietnam needs to build up its submarine force, a sub fleet of 10+ can easily bog down a Chinese fleet and help India as well ( isn't that the same thing China is attempting to do wrt Pakistan? )

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 06 May 2019 09:30

India should do its part and equip Vietnam with force multipliers. To start with a good number of Brahmos missiles and in the future blue prints of K series and Agni I , II and III should be given. Chinese have given many ding dongs to the pakis so a riposte is required. Screw the MTCR commitments.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 06 May 2019 12:46

INS Vela - Fourth Scorpene class submarine launched

The steel cutting for this submarine commenced in July 2009. The submarine has completed joining of all its sections. This submarine would be using Indigenous developed batteries by M/s Exide, India.

The first submarine INS Kalvari was commissioned in December last year while two other submarines--INS Khanderi and INS Karanj--are in the advanced stages to join the Navy fleet.

nam · Post by **nam** » 06 May 2019 13:16

State of DDG construction.... sigh.

Before:

Now:

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 06 May 2019 13:33

How to Sink a $3 Billion Dollar Submarine: Forgetting to Close a Hatch
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... atch-55942

“Arihant is the most important platform within India’s nuclear triad covering land-air-sea modes,” the Hindu reports. Well, it’s important if it works — and it probably helps to make your submarine watertight.

nam · Post by **nam** » 06 May 2019 13:43

bahdada wrote:How to Sink a $3 Billion Dollar Submarine: Forgetting to Close a Hatch
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... atch-55942
“Arihant is the most important platform within India’s nuclear triad covering land-air-sea modes,” the Hindu reports. Well, it’s important if it works — and it probably helps to make your submarine watertight.

It is amazing how whole bunch of "commentators" make a living by writing stuff without giving a iota of thought.

The news was probably floating by GoI themselves, when Arihant was busy doing it's first deterrent patrol.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 May 2019 14:48

nam wrote:State of DDG construction.... sigh.

We are all speculating here, but these could be different ships, the one in the now pic has brown primer paint and scaffolding while the earlier one had completed Grey paint, while painting primer they had just covered the holes where the Radar will be fitted. Radar I assume will be fitted later after painting is completed.

nam · Post by **nam** » 06 May 2019 14:58

It is Vishakapatanam. It has been in that place for a while now. The other ships are no where near that complete.

Based on the image, the exhaust cone has been placed. So the engines must have gone in, as there is no other "hole" to drop the engine.

The radar mast is covered to prevent dust or water. So the electronics or wiring must be taking place. If we are lucky, we might see it in water later this year, however I will not be very hopeful.

nam · Post by **nam** » 06 May 2019 14:59

It is the fist P15B. The name on the ship..

nam · Post by **nam** » 06 May 2019 15:02

If we could come with embedded sensor instead of "hanging" them on the mast, P15 A/B would make it very TFTA looking..

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 06 May 2019 15:04

bahdada wrote:How to Sink a $3 Billion Dollar Submarine: Forgetting to Close a Hatch
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... atch-55942
“Arihant is the most important platform within India’s nuclear triad covering land-air-sea modes,” the Hindu reports. Well, it’s important if it works — and it probably helps to make your submarine watertight.

They are quoting an article that appeared on Chindu on Jan 2018 and they claim that the article came out 'yesterday'..

In just about half a year after this article came out this happened

INS Arihant completes first deterrence patrol

chola · Post by **chola** » 06 May 2019 15:05

nam wrote:State of DDG construction.... sigh.

Saar, you can clearly see they covered the radar holes in the mast by the second picture. Don't be so glum.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 May 2019 16:08

Any idea why the class of the last 3 scorpenes is different, what are the differences with INS Kalvari, will it be easier to fit the DRDO AIP when ready on these last 3 subs?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 May 2019 18:21

they are not different. plans were to leave a plug for drdo aip when it comes but thats been shelved.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 06 May 2019 18:49

So what's the plan now the there are 4 boats in the water, with only 2 left? There was a report a couple years back that parts of the assembly like are shutting down as there is no more work. Maybe another 10 years hiatus so we again forget what ever little we have learnt

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 May 2019 02:40

Can someone please identify this boat and why this picture? Or am I reading a bit too much into this?

Is that a Barracuda Class SSN?

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... 2920392704 ---> Vice Admiral Bernard Antoine Morio de I'Isle, ALFOST (amiral commandant les forces sous-marines et la Force océanique stratégique) calls on Vice Admiral MS Pawar, DCNS at Naval Headquarters, New Delhi on the sidelines of ongoing annual bilateral Exercise Varuna 2019.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 07 May 2019 11:07

Looks like a Triomphant-class to me.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 07 May 2019 11:28

I think so too. The diving planes are mounted on the sail.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 07 May 2019 13:55

Visakhapatnam was launched exactly 4 years ago, given that the design is only marginally different from P-15A, this is slow.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 07 May 2019 14:41

Yes, but arent 3 of P15B Vishakapattam class being outfitted now, how far is yard 12704 where INS Vishakapattinam is being fitted out from 12705 where INS Mormugao and yard 12706 where INS IMphal are being fitted out

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 07 May 2019 14:58

Aditya_V wrote:Yes, but arent 3 of P15B Vishakapattam class being outfitted now, how far is yard 12704 where INS Vishakapattinam is being fitted out from 12705 where INS Mormugao and yard 12706 where INS IMphal are being fitted out

The one you see in the photo is yard 12704 INS Vishakapattinam. I think there was a delay in getting the 127mm gun since OTO Melara was blacklisted as part of AgustaWestland group and purchase from BAE was cleared only in 18, so MDL could have gone slow in construction

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 07 May 2019 15:50

By the time ship is commissioned, the hull would already be 5 6 years old.

lakshmanM · Post by **lakshmanM** » 07 May 2019 17:49

Visakha as seen in mid-2018 (or 2017). By the looks of it,~~they 'reverse-constructed' (if that's even a real term lol) it~~

lakshmanM · Post by **lakshmanM** » 07 May 2019 17:53

John · Post by **John** » 07 May 2019 18:04

Kakarat wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Yes, but arent 3 of P15B Vishakapattam class being outfitted now, how far is yard 12704 where INS Vishakapattinam is being fitted out from 12705 where INS Mormugao and yard 12706 where INS IMphal are being fitted out
The one you see in the photo is yard 12704 INS Vishakapattinam. I think there was a delay in getting the 127mm gun since OTO Melara was blacklisted as part of AgustaWestland group and purchase from BAE was cleared only in 18, so MDL could have gone slow in construction

127mm were signed off a little while back and even if they are not available that should not stop other phases of construction. Plenty of times there have been delay with the main gun ( Daring class IIRC) and construction moved on.

chola · Post by **chola** » 07 May 2019 18:15

So it seems that the paint at launch on the Visak was just a preliminary and rust proofing is done afterwards?

I don't recall seeing this with the P15As or the Vikrant.

The coat of paint is the same and it would make sense since you want the vessel to be protected for all of the years of fitting out.

Or is that red color paint on Visak something other than rust proofing? Maybe RAM?

^^^ Never mind. Those red rust proofed sections are those added on after launch. Been watching too many chini ships hit water the last few years. They launch with the entire superstructure in place so I was stumped on why parts of the Visak was repainted.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 08 May 2019 08:23

This was the image of the first ship when INS Karanj was launched. What we are seeing now is the second ship and not the first one.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 08 May 2019 12:32

Perhaps, you should have another look at nam's picture which clearly shows yard number 12704 on the ship behind Vela. You even have the last letters of the name Vishakapatnam visible on the banner.

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 08 May 2019 20:45

New Delhi approves navy Ka-31 buy
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... uy-458009/

India’s defence ministry has given its nod for a navy procurement of 10 additional Russian-built Kamov Ka-31 airborne early warning helicopters.

The purchase approval came from the Defence Acquisition Council, which is led by defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman. The deal is valued at approximately $515 million.
The new Ka-31s will be embarked on four additional Project 11356M stealth frigates being acquired from Russia. They will also form part of the airborne compliment of the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya and the indigenously built aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, when it enters service.

The Ka-31 is already operated by the navy as an airborne picket. The service inducted four in 2003, five in 2005, and five in 2013. Its INAS 339 'Falcons’ unit is the sole squadron operating the type, with a fleet of 14 helicopters based at INS Hansa in Goa.

In May 2015, Russian Helicopters announced that it had delivered two Ka-31s, which “needed comprehensive repairs before their first scheduled overhaul”. A total of six helicopters underwent the repair activity.

The budget-strapped navy is critically short of helicopters, which are needed for surveillance and stand-off targeting at sea. It has a stated deficiency of 61 integral shipborne helicopters for its present warship fleet.

In April, the US Department of State cleared the sale of 24 Sikorsky MH-60R anti-submarine warfare helicopters to India as part of a $2.6 billion Foreign Military Sales programme deal. The helicopters will primarily undertake anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare missions.

In an effort to further strengthen the navy’s rotary-wing capability, the defence ministry concluded a contract for mid-life upgrade of 10 Ka-28s worth $294 million in July 2016.

The upgraded helicopters will feature western weapons and sensors, with deliveries due between February 2020 to July 2021. Cirium's Fleets Analyzer records the service as having 14 Ka-28s in use, with another four in storage.

The navy also has 16 Dhruv helicopters on order from Hindustan Aeronautics, with deliveries slated for between March 2020 to September 2021.

In addition to these acquisitions, the service navy is also pursuing a requirement for 111 and 123 rotorcraft respectively under its Naval Utility Helicopter and Naval Multi Role Helicopter requirements.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 May 2019 22:22

chola wrote:So it seems that the paint at launch on the Visak was just a preliminary and rust proofing is done afterwards?

I don't recall seeing this with the P15As or the Vikrant.

The coat of paint is the same and it would make sense since you want the vessel to be protected for all of the years of fitting out.

Or is that red color paint on Visak something other than rust proofing? Maybe RAM?

^^^ Never mind. Those red rust proofed sections are those added on after launch. Been watching too many chini ships hit water the last few years. They launch with the entire superstructure in place so I was stumped on why parts of the Visak was repainted.

the paint above the water line and below the water line are different in spec and purpose.

the below water line paint is anti fouling as well as anti corrosive and it is basically to keep the surface clean and prevent the growth of barnacles and other marine incrustations that roughen the surface and hence increase the drag, thus having an appreciable effect on speed as well as fuel consumption.

It is very expensive as well as long lasting because the ship simply cannot be drydocked just to clean up the hull and repaint it. Such painting is normally done after quite a number of years have passed.

The paint above the waterline is mostly for anticorrosion and camouflage. It is renewed quite frequently and mostly done in bits and pieces as required or indicated.

the grey in the Indian navy and the grey of the navies in the atlantic, for example, are different shades.

the russkies also have a somewhat different shade of grey that their own ships are painted with.

IN quickly repaints any ship not received already painted in their own particular shade of grey.

nam · Post by **nam** » 08 May 2019 23:16

Embedded sensor and the search radar being embedded on the primary mast, some sort of VLS RBU would make it one of the most glam DDG on this planet.

An ofcourse paint the safety rails in the same color as the ship.. not black!

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 09 May 2019 07:09

Yeah that is one clean design, elegant even.

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 09 May 2019 10:16

Well well well.On the way back from Qingdao here she is, with the Khan & Co.

https://twitter.com/USPacificFleet/stat ... 25632?s=19

jaysimha · Post by **jaysimha** » 09 May 2019 18:56

Indian Naval Ships INS KOLKATA and INS SHAKTI visit to Vietnam

https://www.indembassyhanoi.gov.in/even ... ventid=224

As part of the ongoing operational deployment of the Indian Navy in the South East Asia region two Indian Naval Ships INS KOLKATA and INS SHAKTI were on a four day goodwill visit from 13 to 16 April, 2019 and docked at Cam Ranh International Port of Nha Trang

chola · Post by **chola** » 12 May 2019 13:41

Varuna.

Both 45K tons carriers but the French one feels so much wider than our Russkie one. The cramped deck on our former Russian helo cruiser must exact great skills.

When Vikrant is done, the margin of safety will be similar to the De Gaulle. Note the Rafale parked behind the foul line and the crew in front of it.

chola · Post by **chola** » 12 May 2019 13:51

Overflight of INS Vikramaditya by formation of Rafale Ms, MiG-29Ks and an EC2 Hawkeye. Beautiful! With the trusty Sea King on deck.

Dhruvs on Vikky too!!!