Understanding the US - Again

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 15 May 2019 16:38

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:rotfl: NYT snuggles in its usual place in the gutter. these op eds are designed to provoke and pull in well meaning NRIs trying to logic to argue. the best approach is to call NYT a anti-india and anti-hindu rag that it is and laugh at the thrashings of the BIF forces.

kar lo jo karna hai. ofcourse NRI parents should inform their school and college going kids about this filth. resident indians anyway dont give a rats a$$

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby darshan » 15 May 2019 17:01

Unfortunately most of NRIs don't do anything and prefer to stay pacified. Highly disorganized and prefer to run, hide, or pretend that it doesn't matter to them. Fighting genes don't exist. Heck, these NRIs won't even join mini crusades of asking vegetarian food under religious requirement clause. Recently, we have moved into community that's like 99% Telugu and for these people fighting for anything Hindu seems to be an alien concept. We are at the point where we are contemplating just moving out to different place where they are not afraid of celebrating Diwali under HoA charter, having Sanskrit street names, or demanding vegetarian food.

Meanwhile, Sam Sharma on media hit jobs on Hindus.
https://youtu.be/iPSyx4Q_0l8

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 15 May 2019 17:03

desire not to seek confrontation even for legitimate issues is a indic failing.

others would not shy away from demanding halal or kosher food or permits to celebrate their festivals.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby darshan » 15 May 2019 18:44

Oh yeah without any question. Others take over small cities, field their candidates, and start driving their agendas. In the same metroplex, peaceful people executed that plan on a small suburb and now have multiple communities where street names are Islamic and various of their flags including pakistani fly on select occasions. They systematically take over starting from HoA and moving upward each year. And not to be surprised, many of ours even join them and move to these sort of communities calling them brothers as they are not whites or blacks.

I just scratch my head thinking that I have had to fight lot less to get Diwali and vegetarian food accepted in white neighborhoods than in Hindu brown ones (obviously muslim ones are out of the question).

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby darshan » 15 May 2019 18:49

https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-abort ... -panicking

New Laws in Georgia and Alabama Have Women Panicking They Can’t Get Abortions

Now these same media people and Hindu haters are going to be quiet about not using any words like Church, Jesus, Christianity when writing on abortion topics.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby komal » 15 May 2019 19:02

^^
Besides the good, white Christian women of AL and GA can always fly to DC to get thier abortions.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 15 May 2019 19:31

^^^ nope, that will also be an offence

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby syam » 15 May 2019 19:55

mm. . so far I have learnt, US has 25% of whole world billionaires and 40% of millionaires. Seems like they hold most of the wealth in the world. Next position is china. But it is distant second in numbers. US is way ahead of other countries. more than 5 x number compared to china which is no. 2.

India has very low 1% of millionaries.If we really want to cross 10trillion GDP, we need more numbers.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby kit » 15 May 2019 20:29

syam wrote:mm. . so far I have learnt, US has 25% of whole world billionaires and 40% of millionaires. Seems like they hold most of the wealth in the world. Next position is china. But it is distant second in numbers. US is way ahead of other countries. more than 5 x number compared to china which is no. 2.

India has very low 1% of millionaries.If we really want to cross 10trillion GDP, we need more numbers.


Good find. Wealth disparity is glaring in India, any number differences between past years..doesnt depict some realities..are NRI population counted in the HNRI or the millionaire list ??.. cant quite believe those numbers

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby syam » 15 May 2019 20:59

kit wrote:Good find. Wealth disparity is glaring in India, any number differences between past years..doesnt depict some realities..are NRI population counted in the HNRI or the millionaire list ??.. cant quite believe those numbers

Don't know NRI numbers.The number of NRIs who held millionaire status last year was 2.36 lakh.(2016 rndtv report)

I made basic lists. Kinda hesitated to post the whole thing. India has 106 bilnres accrding to latest forbes report. 343,000 millnrs acrd to wiki. For us, its 607 and 17,350,000. China 324 + 111(hk and tw) and 3,480,000(hk and tw not included). So, yeah. We are poor in numbers.

To reach 10 trillion GDP, we need at least 5 mil millionaires and 300 billnres. 8)

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby syam » 15 May 2019 21:40

chola wrote:The Trump admin had already came out and said so. Cheen is the first great rival who wasn't "caucasian."

Which sort of got me thinking. Technically, we are "caucasians" too. But I imagine this theory will be tested when we begin to pass them economically in three decades or so.

We are just brown guys. I don't think they will recognize our/their ancestry. If they had, they would have ditched xianity and went back to their pagan roots long time back. A guy like me understood where our ancestors came from with just few months of study, you think amerikis don't know the truth? they are not clueless. they are pretending. they are not brave enough to embrace their legacy.


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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby darshan » 16 May 2019 09:21

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/15/1862 ... cial-media

SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS should advance FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Yet too many Americans have seen their accounts suspended, banned, or fraudulently reported for unclear “violations” of user policies.

No matter your views, if you suspect political bias caused such an action to be taken against you, share your story with President Trump.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 16 May 2019 13:01

freedom of speech vs freedom of hatred... civil societies have to draw the lines somewhere...

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 16 May 2019 16:06

Lalmohan wrote:freedom of speech vs freedom of hatred... civil societies have to draw the lines somewhere...


These are the same SM platforms which advocate BIF and ban RW speech. They have become an advocate for the urban naxals.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 16 May 2019 16:07

darshan wrote:https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-abortion-laws-in-georgia-and-alabama-have-women-panicking

New Laws in Georgia and Alabama Have Women Panicking They Can’t Get Abortions

Now these same media people and Hindu haters are going to be quiet about not using any words like Church, Jesus, Christianity when writing on abortion topics.


It's not going to last long as the wives and daughters of their state legislators are the ones who get the most abortions.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 16 May 2019 16:42

Mort Walker wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:freedom of speech vs freedom of hatred... civil societies have to draw the lines somewhere...


They have become an advocate for the urban naxals.


sorry, but that is too simplistic. they haven't got it right yet, but its not one sided. and it doesnt help to encourage the extremists (on either side) to find a ready platform to spread hate

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby darshan » 16 May 2019 17:22

There's a group that works on product that shapes institution's internet traffic. Their test setups run various test cases and see what their test case users see when visiting SM platforms to fact check box of Google news. For example, one such test setup is of an user that watches chalisa in the morning and in the evening. This user saw and continues to see many interesting things as test parameters are varied.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby darshan » 16 May 2019 17:27

Mort Walker wrote:
darshan wrote:
Now these same media people and Hindu haters are going to be quiet about not using any words like Church, Jesus, Christianity when writing on abortion topics.


It's not going to last long as the wives and daughters of their state legislators are the ones who get the most abortions.


It's the tracking of words being used to write on such Christianity driven laws that interest me.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Rudradev » 16 May 2019 17:59

Lalmohan wrote:freedom of speech vs freedom of hatred... civil societies have to draw the lines somewhere...


Interesting. Whose hatred is to be policed, and whose is to be protected as free speech, or worse yet, "freedom of religion"?

Is Islam, which in & of itself prescribes an entire curriculum of institutionalized hatred, free to be practiced?

What of those accused of so called "Islamophobia"? Are they engaging in free speech, or disseminating hatred?

Also baffling to me is the meaning of the word "civil" in the term "civil societies".

The adjective "civil" is defined by the dictionary as:

1. relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.
2. courteous and polite.
3. (of time measurement or a point in time) fixed by custom or law rather than being natural or astronomical.
"civil twilight starts at sunset"

I assume the first definition, "ordinary citizens and their concerns", is the one intended to apply here.

Now the "lines" that are drawn to delimit acceptable public discourse are hardly the purview of truly ordinary citizens, are they? No, they are determined by a rarefied elite: privileged denizens of the hallowed halls of academia, the media, and administrative institutions within the government. Foggy Bottom, Madison Avenue, Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley. Nothing at all "ordinary" about these people, and their claim of representing "civil society" when they arrogate unto themselves the authority to police discourse is positively Orwellian. They are about as "civil", in this sense, as the Indian political system has been "secular".

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 16 May 2019 19:00

ofcourse you are right, but then truly free speech allows anyone to say anything, including islamists to say kill hindus and social media amplifies it
no society allows fully free speech or expression does it? so it tends to go by a majority moral view no? you and i may not agree with it at times, but its the way it tends to work

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby ricky_v » 16 May 2019 19:41

if the medium is too off for one's taste one should and can find another; it is not imperative that everybody sing kumbaya on Twitter or circle jerk on fb, the vastness of the net assures that.
The only freedom in this mobocratic world is the anonymity of forums whatever they advocate, reprehensible for one might be holy war for another.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 16 May 2019 19:55

the danger is that whilst one can ignore something that one doesnt like - that ends up in creating self reinforcing bubbles
extremist ideologies of all kinds have spread far more rapidly thanks to social media than used to be the case
and anonymity allows people to vent their more extreme views without any concerns
the space for constructive dialogue has been eroded away

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 16 May 2019 22:02

Lalmohan wrote:ofcourse you are right, but then truly free speech allows anyone to say anything, including islamists to say kill hindus and social media amplifies it
no society allows fully free speech or expression does it? so it tends to go by a majority moral view no? you and i may not agree with it at times, but its the way it tends to work


Now that’s some quick downhill skiing. :mrgreen:

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Postby Mort Walker » 16 May 2019 22:09

Lalmohan wrote:the danger is that whilst one can ignore something that one doesnt like - that ends up in creating self reinforcing bubbles
extremist ideologies of all kinds have spread far more rapidly thanks to social media than used to be the case
and anonymity allows people to vent their more extreme views without any concerns
the space for constructive dialogue has been eroded away


Please spare us the sanctimonious crap. You’re advocating the narrative of Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardeasi and A. Roy type of people who are clearly part of the BIF.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 16 May 2019 22:19

Mort Walker wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:the danger is that whilst one can ignore something that one doesnt like - that ends up in creating self reinforcing bubbles
extremist ideologies of all kinds have spread far more rapidly thanks to social media than used to be the case
and anonymity allows people to vent their more extreme views without any concerns
the space for constructive dialogue has been eroded away


Please spare us the sanctimonious crap. You’re advocating the narrative of Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardeasi and A. Roy type of people who are clearly part of the BIF.


and you are talking complete nonsense

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

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Mort Walker wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:ofcourse you are right, but then truly free speech allows anyone to say anything, including islamists to say kill hindus and social media amplifies it
no society allows fully free speech or expression does it? so it tends to go by a majority moral view no? you and i may not agree with it at times, but its the way it tends to work


Now that’s some quick downhill skiing. :mrgreen:


no it isnt, its raising the question of who gets to decide what is acceptable

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby darshan » 16 May 2019 22:37

SAT to use 'adversity score' for students applying to college

So far, 50 colleges have used it in making a decision about a prospective student's chances. The College Board plans to expand that to 150 higher learning institutions in the fall. The goal is to use it broadly by 2021.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/sat-to-use-a ... to-college

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 16 May 2019 23:08

cnn


China formally arrests two Canadians on national security grounds
CNN Digital Expansion 2017. Ben Westcott
By Ben Westcott, CNN

Hong Kong (CNN)Chinese authorities have formally arrested two Canadians who have been held in detention for five months on suspicion of espionage, in a move likely to increase tension between Ottawa and Beijing.

Former diplomat Michael Kovrig and businessman Michael Spavor were detained on December 10, accused of gathering and stealing "sensitive information and other intelligence" since 2017.

Their detainment came shortly after the arrest of a Chinese executive in Vancouver, a move which infuriated Beijing and sparked a diplomatic crisis.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said Thursday the arrest of Kovrig and Spavor had been approved by "Chinese prosecutorial authorities" and asked Canada to stop "making irresponsible remarks on China's rule of law."

"Michael Kovrig was recently arrested for spying on state secrets and intelligence for foreign entities, and Michael Spavor was recently arrested for stealing and unlawfully providing state secrets to foreign entities," Lu said.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 16 May 2019 23:09

in other news US has arrested a russian game developer for attempting to smuggle F-16 manuals out.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby nachiket » 16 May 2019 23:33

Mort Walker, debate the argument without name-calling or you will get a warning.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 17 May 2019 00:05

Lalmohan wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
Now that’s some quick downhill skiing. :mrgreen:


no it isnt, its raising the question of who gets to decide what is acceptable


When Twitter bans RW posts, be it in the US or India, one wonders who is the “decider” to determine acceptability?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 17 May 2019 00:07

nachiket wrote:Mort Walker, debate the argument without name-calling or you will get a warning.


I’m sorry. I apologize. Calling anyone a Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai or Arunadhati Roy is indeed a grave insult.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 17 May 2019 00:34

Singha wrote:in other news US has arrested a russian game developer for attempting to smuggle F-16 manuals out.


More Russia scare. The chinnis are doing far more.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Najunamar » 17 May 2019 02:54

+1 Rudradevji

This kind of free speech for myself and my ilk but I will shut down any alternate view in the name of either morality policing or "hate speech" both of which I get to define and dictate the discourse on is what Mortji is describing accurately as sanctimonious bovine excreta. I fully concur with that view.

One way western civilizations deal with this is they allow full freedom for their own national topics/matters of interest but try and drown out any alternate views when it comes to subjects of interest to other nations.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Kashi » 17 May 2019 11:44

Apparently freedom of speech does not apply to private organisations and individuals, unless of course....

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Understanding the US - Again

Postby Peregrine » 17 May 2019 15:30

US IT company sues government for denying H-1B visa to Indian professional

W DELHI: A Silicon Valley-based IT company has filed a lawsuit against the US government for denying the most soughtafter to a highly qualified Indian professional, terming the renunciation "arbitrary" and a "clear abuse of discretion".

Xterra Solutions alleged in its lawsuit that the US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) improperly denied H-1B visa to Praharsh Chandra Sai Venkata Anisetty, 28, whom it had hired as a Business System Analyst.

The company's H-1B petition on behalf of Anisetty was denied on the sole ground that the job offered to him did not qualify as an H-1B specialty occupation, the lawsuit said.

"The denial is not supported by substantial evidence in the record, is contrary to established legal precedent, and is arbitrary, capricious and constitutes a clear abuse of discretion," the company alleged and urged the Northern District of California US District Court to set aside the USCIS order.

The H1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ foreign workers in speciality occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise. The technology companies depend on it to hire tens of thousands of employees each year from countries like India and China.

The most sought-after visa has an annual numerical limit cap of 65,000 visas each fiscal year as mandated by the US Congress. The first 20,000 petitions filed on behalf of beneficiaries with a US masters degree or higher are exempt from the cap.

Anisetty holds a Bachelor's degree in Engineering (Electronics and Communication Engineering) as well as a Master's of Science degree in Information Technology and Management from the University of Texas at Dallas.

He currently holds valid H-4 dependent status through his wife, the principal beneficiary of an H-1B application.

From 2014 to 2016, Anisetty held valid F-1 non-immigrant status as a student enrolled in the information technology and management master's program at Texas University.

Later, he also participated in Circular Practical Training, an employment-training programme with an established academic curriculum in the form of cooperative education programmes offered by sponsoring employers through agreements with F-1 students' universities.

The company asserted that Anisetty's current position as a Business Systems Analyst meets one or more of the criteria for an H-1B specialty occupation.

"USCIS's decision dated February 19, 2019 denying Xterra's H-1B petition, filed on behalf of Anisetty, was arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, and not in accordance with the law," the lawsuit said.

The USCIS gave no explanation as to why, despite Xterra's significant evidentiary submissions in its request for evidence, documenting that Anisetty's position as a Business Analyst met all four criteria for a specialty occupation, it denied Xterra's petition to change Anisetty's status to that of the principal beneficiary of an H-1B petition, it said.

The company alleged that the USCIS acted arbitrarily and capriciously in finding that the current position offered to the Indian professional did not meet criterion that "a baccalaureate or higher degree or its equivalent is normally the minimum requirement for entry into the particular position".

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 17 May 2019 15:31

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 37411.html

by any other yardstick, this man would have been investigated by the law for his 'experiments' but being the rashtra pita and soon to be god, he never was.

link was posted in a trueindology thread.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

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Dr. Ambedkar as India's law minister wanted to commute the sentence of Godse, an offer which Godse promptly denied to avail

Ambedkar the God of Indian liberals actually ended up praising Godse. Snippet excerpted from Dr. Koenraad Elst's book "Gandhi and Godse"

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