Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 26 Jul 2019 20:19

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Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 26 Jul 2019 20:43

Taliban asked Malik Riaz for $10m ransom: Nacta - Mohammad Asghar

RAWALPINDI: The National Counter Terrorism Authority (Nacta) has asked governments of Punjab and Sindh to make effective measures regarding threats hurled at property tycoon Malik Riaz by a wing of the banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) demanding $10 million extortion money.

According to sources, Nacta informed the authorities concerned about an email of the in-charge of the TTP’s finance wing sent to Malik Riaz containing the demand for the extortion money.

The email contains the bank account number in which the money has to be deposited, the sources said, adding the email suggested in case of nonpayment Malik Riaz and his family would face `dire consequences’.

They said the director general of the Federal Investigation Agency, provincial police chiefs of Sindh and Punjab and Islamabad commissioner had been asked to take effective measures to thwart the threat.

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Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 27 Jul 2019 01:04

Kashi wrote:
menon s wrote:Well said Kashi Sir. How Pakis will drag India into this muddle, is something where i think i dont agree with you.
Balochistan and KP should really be part of Afghanistan.
Like they did last time, a battle-hardened, restless group of jihadi terrorists, who were itching to go after the withdrawal of Soviet Union and Najeebullah regime being forced into a retreat were cleverly funneled into J&K to shore-up the jihad there. No reason to believe that Bakis will not try their tactical brilliance again. Despite the anti-infiltration grid in place, terrorists do sneak in and Bakis will now be able to draw from a bigger "talent pool" so to speak.

Secondly, Bakis via their proxies will increase attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan, on the Indian engineers and others working for the upliftment of the Afghans. We'll either have to withdraw our personnel from there or send in more troops to provide for their security.

Thirdly, Baki army drunk up with their "success" on reclaiming the strategic depth, will be emboldened to embark on further misadventures against India.

Second and third reasons I agree with, but for the first one, that was a different time and almost 30 years have passed since then. This is a different India (with a stronger economy and military, fenced border and strong intelligence apparatus etc) and a much more vulnerable Pakistan. I actually hope that they try to pull that stunt again, because it will only end up consuming them.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 27 Jul 2019 05:51

Peregrine wrote:Taliban asked Malik Riaz for $10m ransom: Nacta - Mohammad Asghar

RAWALPINDI: The National Counter Terrorism Authority (Nacta) has asked governments of Punjab and Sindh to make effective measures regarding threats hurled at property tycoon Malik Riaz by a wing of the banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) demanding $10 million extortion money.

According to sources, Nacta informed the authorities concerned about an email of the in-charge of the TTP’s finance wing sent to Malik Riaz containing the demand for the extortion money.

The email contains the bank account number in which the money has to be deposited, the sources said, adding the email suggested in case of nonpayment Malik Riaz and his family would face `dire consequences’.

They said the director general of the Federal Investigation Agency, provincial police chiefs of Sindh and Punjab and Islamabad commissioner had been asked to take effective measures to thwart the threat.

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Wont be surprised if Taliban/ISI has cooked this up as a proxy to get those $10 Million.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Jul 2019 08:45

CRamS wrote:KLNM, I do believe our guys. Trump was just mouthing stuff thinking he is a grand kingmaker among two naughty boys. As I say in US thread, he doesn't take India or Indian concerns seriously enough, and in this, he is in line with general US policy. But so far no damage.

But I do think his statement may have the deleterious effect of energizing Paki ISI/A and their pigLeTs. Thats the only thing that matters in terms of harm done to India. In the short term, TSP might even more visibly GUBO to Trump in AfPak while unleashing pigLeTs in Kashmir and remind Trump of his desire to mediate. Lets wait and see.

Well, we can't expect piglets to lay dormant forever. Sooner or later, on some excuse or other (which they will find even if no such creature as Trump existed), they will wag their tail, and attack someone or something. And they will pay the price. Rinse and repeat.

That's why I think it's pointless to worry about Trump's nonsense and the cheer it may bring to Bakis and their piglets.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Jul 2019 08:47

SSridhar wrote:So, is this the sixth marriage after the fifth divorce between the same partners?

With some what-they-call-it halala relationship with Iron Brother in between.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Jul 2019 08:51

chetak wrote:twitter

Interesting sidebar. PM Imran Khan’s spouse did not accompany him to Washington DC but the Army Chief Qamar Bajwa’s wife did.

Somebody in bakistan was not super-stupid on that one day. Imagine Imran Khan's full-burkha begum in meetings with Trump and Melania.

Mind boggles, mind aches for what should have happened but didn't.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Jul 2019 08:55

ArjunPandit wrote:I suspect pakis are being used as "gini" pigs for testing some new chinese raackit..or some technologies..few questions
1. what will be the name of paknaut?
2. are they being told about getting 72s while alive?
3. Mission control would be scary of syaing blast off

Easy bredikshun:

They will hear azan in space.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 27 Jul 2019 09:25

https://www.newsnation.in/world-news/da ... 32025.html
Days after Imran Khan's visit, US approves sales to support Pak's F-16 fighter jets
Days after the meeting between President Donald Trump and Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, the United states notified the Congress on Friday of its decision to approve foreign military sales worth USD 125 million to support the F-16 fighter jets of Pakistan.
Washington, PTI | Updated : 27 July 2019
Days after the meeting between President Donald Trump and Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, the United states notified the Congress on Friday of its decision to approve foreign military sales worth USD 125 million to support the F-16 fighter jets of Pakistan.
Khan met Trump in his Oval Office on Monday. Both sides had declared the meeting as highly successful.
The determination in this regard was made by the State Department and is the first after all security aid to Pakistan was suspended by Trump in January 2018.
"The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for Technical Security Team (TST) in continued support of the F-16 program for an estimated cost of USD 125 million," the Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in a statement.
The Pentagon delivered the required certification notifying the Congress of this possible sale on Friday.
According to the statement, Pakistan had requested a continuation of technical support services -- US government and contractor technical and logistics support services -- and other related elements of logistics support to assist in the oversight of operations in support of the Pakistan Peace Drive advanced F-16 programme.
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Gautam

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Jul 2019 10:08

Looks like the loss of 1 and airtime has taken the life out of these F-16's, requiring operational assistance, still what everyone missed on morning on 27 Feb 19, Raad- H-4 ASM's all missed targets, JF-17 were just flying and neither did any A to A work or A to G work, the threat came from Amraam's and LGB's of the PAF- these were the only aircraft PAF was able to depend on.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 27 Jul 2019 16:57

All that is fine and dandy, but the report says that the US approves sales of the planes and this is not khairat. So how does Pakistan pay for the F-16s? Is the US going to pay for Pak help in getting out of Afghanistan in this way?
Gautam

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 27 Jul 2019 17:19

g.sarkar wrote:All that is fine and dandy, but the report says that the US approves sales of the planes and this is not khairat. So how does Pakistan pay for the F-16s? Is the US going to pay for Pak help in getting out of Afghanistan in this way?
Gautam

Gautam Sakar Ji :

Either the USA or Terroristan - from the Balance of the remaining sum of US$ 6 Billion less the Repayment of the about US$ 4.8 Billion as repayment for the "Previous" IMF Loans!

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Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 27 Jul 2019 18:38

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Pakistan lacks system for recording, reporting debt - Shahbaz Rana

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan lacks a consolidated system for recording and reporting its debt and there is also no mechanism to regulate public assets that results in discrepancies and non-reconciliation of hundreds of billions of rupees worth of funds.

The final draft report of the Public Expenditure and Financial Accountability Assessment (PEFA) 2019 of the World Bank has pointed out glaring deficiencies in the management of government assets and liabilities.

These findings are tantamount to charge-sheeting the Ministry of Finance. The report covers three fiscal years from 2015-16 to 2017-18 but the bureaucrats responsible for executing these functions still occupy their positions in the Ministry of Finance. The problems that have been identified in the report also remain largely unaddressed.

The World Bank draft report showed that Pakistan performed poorly on the pillar of management of assets and liabilities. Four critical indicators fall under this pillar. These are fiscal risk reporting where the country got B grade, public investment management (D plus), public asset management (D) and debt management (B plus).

Pakistan’s budget has lost credibility: World Bank

Debt management

The joint assessment by the World Bank and the European Union showed that Pakistan’s debt management practices and controls were largely satisfactory and the assessment gave B plus grade.

It gave B grade on recording and reporting of debt and guarantees. “Most of the information relating to domestic and foreign debt and guarantees is reconciled on a quarterly basis. However, there is no consolidated system for recording and reporting of debt,” says the report.

At present, the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP), Ministry of Finance and economic affairs ministry separately record domestic and external debt data. “Due to the involvement of various entities at different levels, there is a need for a consolidated system regarding reporting of all transactions related to debt and guarantees,” suggested the World Bank.

The World Bank noted that the project “Improve Financial Reporting and Auditing” (Pifra) introduced the Government Financial Management Information System (GFMIS) but linkages through a dedicated and specialised module for debt management between the Economic Affairs Division, Ministry of Finance and the SBP “need to be in place”.

There are differences between debt data of the government and SBP. The discrepancy in numbers is found in quarterly tables of fiscal operations and those reported by the SBP in monetary survey, it added.

Owing to the violation of Fiscal Responsibility and Debt Limitation Act of 2005, the World Bank gave B rating on the approval of debt and guarantees. The country managed to secure A rating on the sub-indicator of debt management strategy.

Fiscal risk reporting

The fiscal risk reporting indicator measured the extent to which fiscal risks are reported. Due to adverse rating on the sub-indicator of monitoring of public corporations, Pakistan was given B rating.

“The fiscal risks are often not reflected adequately in the budget and contribute towards variances in expenditure from the budget, undermining the credibility of the budget,” said the report.

The finance ministry does not monitor all the state-owned enterprises (SOEs) and it is keen to seek financial reports from only those SOEs that provide dividends, according to the final draft report. It secured C grade on monitoring of public corporations.

The country got B grade on the sub-indicator of contingent liabilities and other fiscal risks. The government reports explicit contingent liabilities but does not account for implicit contingent liabilities including potential bailouts to SOEs, expected change in policies and legal cases, according to the report.

“Contingent budget line is not included in the budget. While the explicit contingent liabilities are being monitored, it is a concern whether they are being incorporated into the budget,” noted the joint World Bank and EU assessment.

Public asset management

The indicator assessed the management and monitoring of government assets and transparency of asset disposal. The country fared poor on all four sub-indicators, resulting in overall D grade – the lowest score on the board.[/b]

The report underlined that there is no mechanism to consolidate and monitor financial assets at the federal level. There is also no practice of recognising the securities in terms of held for trading, held till maturity or available for sale, noted the report. The government also does not publish information on performance of its financial assets.

The World Bank report stated that there “was a major issue with reconciliation of bank accounts”. Government funds in private bank accounts amount to Rs1.4 trillion and these funds could not be audited.

There is also no monitoring of non-financial assets and the government does not maintain record as per age, location and usage, according to the report. Budget books also do not carry a list of assets disposed of during the course of a fiscal year.

Foreign exchange: SBP reserves fall 4.9% to $7.6b

Public investment management

Due to the planning ministry’s failure in economic analysis of projects, selection of projects and poor costing and monitoring, the World Bank has given the lowest score of D plus on public investment management indicators.

“The PSDP includes both approved and unapproved projects; generally, unapproved projects have not gone through the same scrutiny, studies and approval process as the approved projects,” according to the report.

Although the World Bank report covers last three years of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) government, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government has recently added 52 unapproved projects of its allied party to the PSDP under political expediency in this fiscal year’s PSDP.

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Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 27 Jul 2019 18:46

Parvez Hoodbhoy does a good report on the state of Paki science, but can't help himself from making some bigoted statements on Indian culture (being a left-leaning person himself, he has probably been getting info from Indian commies).

https://www.dawn.com/news/1496468/pakis ... f-the-moon

MONDAY’S launch of the Chandrayaan-2 water-finding moon mission is a significant demonstration of India’s scientific and engineering capacity. It puts India firmly within a select group of countries prowling the solar system for commercial, strategic, and scientific reasons. Pakistanis naturally want to know where they stand in science — of which space exploration is just a small part — and why. What gave India this enormous lead over Pakistan?

It is natural that India’s Hindutva government should boast Chandrayaan-2 as its own achievement and claim continuation with imagined glories from Vedic times. But rightfully the credit goes elsewhere. Just imagine if history could be wound back by 70-80 years and prime-minister Jawaharlal Nehru was replaced by Narendra Modi.

Instead of astronomy, today’s India would be pursuing astrology. Its university departments would have many ganitagayons but few mathematicians, an army of rishis would outnumber physicists. The cure for cancer would be sought in yoga while floods and earthquakes would somehow be linked to cow slaughter. Instead of devising Chandrayaan, Indian scientists would be searching for the fictitious Vimana of Ravana.

Aiming for a culture of science will serve Pakistan better than trying to match India’s new moon shot.

The atheistic Nehru brought to India an acceptance of European modernity. For this Hindutva hates him even more than it hates India’s Muslims and Christians. Still, his insistence on ‘scientific temper’ — a singularly odd phrase invented while he was still in prison — made India nurture science. Earlier, vigorous reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy (1772-1833) had shown the path. As long as Nehru stood tall no rishi, yogi, or army general could head a science institution

Will Pakistan also get a slice of the moon? That depends upon the quality of our scientists and if a culture of science develops. Of course, Pakistan never had a Nehru. A further setback happened in the Ziaul Haq days when Sir Syed Ahmad Khan’s modernism had its remaining flesh eaten off by Allama Iqbal’s shaheen. As if to compensate the loss of appetite for science, buildings for half-a-dozen science institutions were erected along Islamabad’s Constitution Avenue. They could be closed down today and no one would notice. Today’s situation for science — every kind except agriculture and biotechnology — is dire.

The official website of the National Space Agency of Pakistan (Suparco) is silent on space exploration plans. Born a year before its Indian counterpart ISRO, Suparco lists its earliest achievement as the periodic launches of US-supplied weather monitoring Rehbar rockets between 1962 and 1972. The most recent activity listed is of July 9, 2018, when China launched two remote sensing satellites for Pakistan to monitor progress on CPEC. One of the two “was indigenously designed and solely developed by Suparco, and is primarily aimed at remote sensing”.

As a space-filler this pathetic website speaks in hushed terms about the Hatf and Shaheen-III missile programmes but falls short of saying what Suparco’s role was, if any. The last four chairmen of Suparco, together with their educational qualifications, are listed as Maj Gen. Raza Husain (2001-2010, BSc), Maj Gen. Ahmed Bilal Husain (2010-2016, MSc), Maj Gen. Qaiser Anees Khurram (2016-2018, BSc), and Maj Gen. Amer Nadeem (2018-present, BSc).

National achievements in space science being so lean, where should bright young Pakistani science buffs be pointed towards? Every day they read of some great achievement — spacecraft landing on asteroids, new planets being discovered, black holes colliding in distant galaxies, etc. But Pakistan’s three most celebrated scientists have precious little to offer. Let’s call them X, Y, Z.

X appears to have lost his earlier passion for bombs and missiles and these days is mostly concerned with finding religious cure to cancer as well as advising women on how to deal with menopause problems. Y is (or was?) under a NAB investigation because he spent Rs4.69 billion gasifying Thar coal but failed to produce a single watt of electricity. He may be in much hotter water once the Reko Diq investigation gets going and his role in the Tethyan Copper affair is revealed. Mishandling Reko Diq currently threatens Pakistan with a mind boggling $5.9bn fine. Z has clawed his way back to power but cannot explain why billions spent upon his institute have not produced a single useful pharmaceutical product.

Lacking guidance from knowledgeable elders, a few of Pakistan’s most gifted kids have found their own way. I have been astonished and thrilled to meet some. Aged 12-18, like hungry animals, they have gorged themselves on distance learning materials offered by Stanford, MIT, Coursera, etc. They seem to owe nothing to their environment, teachers, and even their parents. Some are village bumpkins, others are English-speaking urbanites. Natural genius propels them. But how far?

It’s good that such talent is achieving some recognition. Fawad Chaudhry, the newly appointed minister of science and technology, told me that he plans to start 1500 STEM schools for exceptional students. One hopes that the right students will be selected and that by some miracle good teachers can be found. Chaudhry should realise that the chance of failure will be one hundred per cent if students are graded by ratta-promoting local examination boards. Duffers must never be allowed to judge geniuses; alternatives must be explored.

More encouraging news: Pakistani doctors in the US are fabulously rich but are not known to spend their money wisely or well. That may be changing. Last month, at the annual meeting in Florida, the Association of Physicians of Pakistani Descent of North America (APPNA) put out an appeal to create an institute that would identify and support young people with exceptional math/physics talent. Let’s hope that that pans out.

Pakistan’s chance of a moon shot — unless on the back of a Chinese rocket — will stay zero for a long time. There is no reason to cry about this. Much more important problems need to be addressed. Solving them needs a strong scientific base at every step. Creating this base calls for developing scientific attitudes and dumping non-scientific ones. Symbolically this amounts to putting Sir Syed ahead of Allama Iqbal as a national icon. Impossible? Maybe. But, as they say, you can’t make an omelet without breaking an egg.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 27 Jul 2019 20:14

10 Pakjabis get the ticket to meet 72 sexually starved mullahs.

Ten personnel of the Pakistan armed forces, including an officer, were ~~martyred~~ hallaled in two separate attacks in North Waziristan tribal district and Balochistan, the military's media wing said on Saturday.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 28 Jul 2019 02:09

Aditya_V wrote:Looks like the loss of 1 and airtime has taken the life out of these F-16's, requiring operational assistance, still what everyone missed on morning on 27 Feb 19, Raad- H-4 ASM's all missed targets, JF-17 were just flying and neither did any A to A work or A to G work, the threat came from Amraam's and LGB's of the PAF- these were the only aircraft PAF was able to depend on.

to me this sounds like loan from drug dealer to buy low quality drugs..just that the drug dealer has much bigger pockets..

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Jul 2019 02:24

Hoodbuoy should educate himself on the intellectual achievements in ancient India. Muslims are averse to this instructive activity as it exposes their own confabulated shared history in a poor light. It might help to start with the astrology of the Hindoos that delivered some curious results.

Of course in Pakistan, before one can utter a harsh word on their society, one begins with an attack on Hindoos. Having thus established one’s bonafides as a sharia loving Pakistani, they proceed with proffering piffling procaicissms.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jul 2019 08:19

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.newsnation.in/world-news/da ... 32025.html
Days after Imran Khan's visit, US approves sales to support Pak's F-16 fighter jets

On the face of it, it may appear as merely a budgeted enhancement of the number of personnel supposedly monitoring the End User Agreement and so innoccuous or even a positive development.

But, the wordings there are misleading and indeed suggestive of something deeper.

For example, it characterizes this as an FMS. Even granting this as a 'sale', what are these 60 contractors going to do in Pakistan? To me, it looks like these are F-16 technicians who would keep the birds in top condition. Probably, the $125M would also include spares. After Balakot, the PAF wants to be more potent and perhaps they are having serviceability issues with F-16.

Secondly, it refers to the latest program as another 'Peace Drive', a ruse under which the US supplied advanced fighting platforms etc arguing that it was the insecurity of a smaller nation next to a larger one that at times forced Pakistan to behave erratically and therefore sale or grant of top-tier platforms to Pakistan would ensure peace. So, this entrenched and insidious thinking has never left the PoTUS/GoTUS. No facts have altered the American position. We have to also therefore adjust our relationship accordingly.

Thirdly and most importantly, "we could consider the restoration of certain security assistance programmes consistent with the broader tenor of our relationship" certainly means that what the SD is hinting clearly is that if TSP helps the US achieve its objectives in Afghanistan, then PoTUS would relax the 'security assistance suspension' currently in place. There are about 15 months left for the next US Presidential election and Trump wants to end the Afghan foray in a high. This situation is advantageous to TSP because it is Trump who is constrained by time and TSP can turn the screws. This position is similar to Barack Obama's announcement of a timetable for withdrawal by c. 2014. This led to a murderous onslaught on Kandahar & Kabul by the 'good' Taliban/ISI.

If the US-Terroristan relation improves, then the mid-October FATF plenary in Paris might even turn advantageous for the latter as US might not pursue the case with the same vigour.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 28 Jul 2019 08:49

The FATF plenary is to decide if Pakistan moves to Black list as the laid out conditions have not been fulfilled in the last 15 Months. So what remains to be seen now is if Pakistan is successful in not only not getting listed on the Black list but also to come out of the Grey list too.It needs 15 votes to come out of the grey list with just 3 votes confirmed as supporting it (China, Turkey and Malaysia). Without US support it cannot hope to get support of 15 countries to exit the list.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jul 2019 08:52

Days after Imran visit, US resumes Pakistan aid - Chidanand Rajghatta & Rajat Pandit, ToI

The Pentagon simultaneously notified the US Congress about the proposed $670 million follow-on support programme for the 11 C-17 Globemaster-III strategic air-lift aircraft of the Indian Air Force, in what was interpreted in New Delhi as "not a mere coincidence" and "re-hyphenisation of India and Pakistan".

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 28 Jul 2019 21:42

Donald is pushing some dangerous buttons in the south & north blocks. Who does he think he is.. Leader of the biggest and the fastest growing democracy in the world?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Jul 2019 22:21

Well one can parse and scrutinize the fine print in US resumption of economic/military goodies to TSP, but 3 things are clear post Taliban Khan Trump love fest:

1. India TSP equal equal is back front and center with gusto, which in reality means TSP >>> India given that in real terms TSP should not even be spoken of in the same breath as India, rather, must be spoken of as a terrorist abomination in worse language than US uses to characterize Iran, NK etc.

2. ModiJi govt's claim that TSP has been 'isolated' is now a cruel joke. If thats the amount of diplomatic capital they spent in what Trump reversed in a heart beat, its pathetic. Of course, can't blame ModiJi, he is up against USA on whom he has zero leverage and in fact needs USA for his economic growth plans for India.

3. No need to be overly despondent at this colossal setback. I hope just quiet diplomacy behind the scenes to see how best India can leverage US power to its advantage. None of this over hype about India US strategic partnership and 'global super power of the 21st century". Lets put the Paki genie back in the bottle first.

There is a huge event planned in Houston, TX during ModiJi's trip to US for UN meeting. I was planning to attend, but not sure because it will be like the Madison Square garden type feel good hype about India's power. And of course, during the UN meet itself, both India and TSP will as usual hurl verbal volleys at each other (sorry for the equal equal. And we will be mocking TSP and patting ourselves on the back for the verbal bravado while our soldiers and offers will continue to die at the LoC and in the valley battling TSP.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 28 Jul 2019 23:52

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Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Jul 2019 00:09

Captain among 10 soldiers martyred in two terrorist attacks

PESHAWAR / QUETTA: Two deadly attacks in the northwest and southwest of the country broke a relative lull in terrorist violence on Saturday. Ten soldiers – among them a captain – were martyred in the assaults on the security forces in North Waziristan tribal district of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Turbat city of Balochistan.

Army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa described the two attacks as “dying efforts of frustrated inimical forces” while urging the international community to “facilitate regional peace”.

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CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Jul 2019 02:38

Is this the Trump effect? Indian govt has beefed up Kashmir with additional troops, and the reason cited is an imminent TSP pigLeT attack

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/why- ... 190728.htm

One can't believe anything, that too coming from rediff rag, but there could be 2 plausible scenarios that Indian govt gamed:

1. Massive TSP pigLeT attack, Pulwama style, having some KM pigLeT claim responsibility, TSSP proxies like Mehbooba Mufti 'deploring' the violence but suggesting that 'unresolved Kashmir dispute which requires political resolution', TSP's PR machine reminding Trump of the so called "Kashmir dispute" and calling on him to 'mediate', and of course, all this playing to script in western rags like CNN/BBC/NYT/WP/Economist etc.,, and of course impotent Indian rage on republic TV and TimesNow.

2. Some big announcement by ModiJi like revoking 35A or some such thing and anticipating massive TSP sponsored and spontaneous uprising by their proxies

I feel #1 above is more plausible, I tend to believe that #2 is less likely at this stage when ModiJi is trying to get Indian economy going and a Kashmir flare up will be an unwelcome distraction.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2019 02:44

CRamS wrote:Well one can parse and scrutinize the fine print in US resumption of economic/military goodies to TSP, but 3 things are clear post Taliban Khan Trump love fest:

1. India TSP equal equal is back front and center with gusto, which in reality means TSP >>> India given that in real terms TSP should not even be spoken of in the same breath as India, rather, must be spoken of as a terrorist abomination in worse language than US uses to characterize Iran, NK etc.

2. ModiJi govt's claim that TSP has been 'isolated' is now a cruel joke. If thats the amount of diplomatic capital they spent in what Trump reversed in a heart beat, its pathetic. Of course, can't blame ModiJi, he is up against USA on whom he has zero leverage and in fact needs USA for his economic growth plans for India.

3. No need to be overly despondent at this colossal setback. I hope just quiet diplomacy behind the scenes to see how best India can leverage US power to its advantage. None of this over hype about India US strategic partnership and 'global super power of the 21st century". Lets put the Paki genie back in the bottle first.

There is a huge event planned in Houston, TX during ModiJi's trip to US for UN meeting. I was planning to attend, but not sure because it will be like the Madison Square garden type feel good hype about India's power. And of course, during the UN meet itself, both India and TSP will as usual hurl verbal volleys at each other (sorry for the equal equal. And we will be mocking TSP and patting ourselves on the back for the verbal bravado while our soldiers and offers will continue to die at the LoC and in the valley battling TSP.

Perhaps you never got the memo or in your excitement read it wrong ... American never abandoned TSP!

Best to follow Krishna's advice i.e. neither rejoice on temporary success nor laments temporary setbacks BUT plough ahead.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2019 02:48

CRamS wrote:Is this the Trump effect? Indian govt has beefed up Kashmir with additional troops, and the reason cited is an imminent TSP pigLeT attack

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/why- ... 190728.htm

One can't believe anything, that too coming from rediff rag, but there could be 2 plausible scenarios that Indian govt gamed:

1. Massive TSP pigLeT attack, Pulwama style, having some KM pigLeT claim responsibility, TSSP proxies like Mehbooba Mufti 'deploring' the violence but suggesting that 'unresolved Kashmir dispute which requires political resolution', TSP's PR machine reminding Trump of the so called "Kashmir dispute" and calling on him to 'mediate', and of course, all this playing to script in western rags like CNN/BBC/NYT/WP/Economist etc.,, and of course impotent Indian rage on republic TV and TimesNow.

2. Some big announcement by ModiJi like revoking 35A or some such thing and anticipating massive TSP sponsored and spontaneous uprising by their proxies

I feel #1 above is more plausible, I tend to believe that #2 is less likely at this stage when ModiJi is trying to get Indian economy going and a Kashmir flare up will be an unwelcome distraction.

Saaru ... what is wrong with you!?

A few days back you were lamenting Indians seeking bestern approval. Not your words but the gist. If you want I can quote your post but will need time to search for it.

I presumed, given your awareness and sensitivity on the issue, you where not one of those suffering form the said disease. Why worry about "rags like CNN/BBC/NYT/WP/Economist etc" or do you put yourself in the same category too?

Also note, how every big or small thing you immediate connect it to US/US policy! Astonishing for someone of your awareness and sensitivity. Is this too a result of "colonial diseases and obsession with US/Trump"?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Jul 2019 04:28

Pankajs, not sure where I said seek bestern approval, but if did, it was unintended. On the contrary, I was saying the opposite. Anyway, what is your take on additional troops in Kashmir? Routine or something afoot?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 29 Jul 2019 06:36

CRamS wrote:ModiJi govt's claim that TSP has been 'isolated' is now a cruel joke.

When and where did GoI claim such a thing?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jul 2019 08:01

India issues Pakistan note verbale over diplomats' harassment - Sachin Parashar, ToI

The government is also hoping the euphoria in Pakistan over Islamabad's, as a source put it, successful gaming of US President Donald Trump's Afghanistan strategy will not embolden it to become more unreasonable in talks with India on issues like Jadhav and Kartarpur corridor.

As the government reiterated in Parliament last week, Pakistan is yet to take credible steps to end cross-border terrorism. However, while India is satisfied with the state department's clarification that there was no change in the US position that Kashmir was a bilateral issue, the US decision to resume military aid to Pakistan in the form of $125 million worth of technical and logistics support for Pakistani F-16 fighter jets has led to the perception that Trump's remarks were not merely a fleeting mental aberration.

So, our conclusions here are what GoI also feels.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 29 Jul 2019 08:57

The assumption that ,once we fix our economy and then go for more aggressive policy towards shitland , is not a solution at all. Americans will do what the best of their interest ,whether it's Afga or bogging us down with it's Munna and it will go on perpetually . We need to hurt prokis where it hurt most . Starting with taking out their communication and networks , covertly or overtly !!!

RKumar · Post by **RKumar** » 29 Jul 2019 14:03

It is the best time to solve the K-issue, divide the state as some poster suggested on BRF

Jammu - merge with Punjab
Ladakh merge with HP
K club it with PoK make it a UT

As it will end circus of 35A and whatever other state specific laws as well as limit the terrorist influenced area. So that at least Jammu and Ladakh can prosperous. May be Kashmir people can see the benefit and stop following terrorist leaders.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2019 14:40

CRamS wrote:Pankajs, not sure where I said seek bestern approval, but if did, it was unintended. On the contrary, I was saying the opposite. Anyway, what is your take on additional troops in Kashmir? Routine or something afoot?

Very difficult to make a guess. I am conflicted on the cause BUT it is not routine that is for sure. We seem to be passing through a very sensitive period.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 29 Jul 2019 16:15

need 2 check this claim, that over 811 Taliban fighters were killed in the last one week.
https://news-communique.com/index.php/2 ... t-13-days/

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Jul 2019 16:44

RKumar wrote:It is the best time to solve the K-issue, divide the state as some poster suggested on BRF
Jammu - merge with Punjab
Ladakh merge with HP
K club it with PoK make it a UT
As it will end circus of 35A and whatever other state specific laws as well as limit the terrorist influenced area. So that at least Jammu and Ladakh can prosperous. May be Kashmir people can see the benefit and stop following terrorist leaders.

Bad bad Idea. Both Jammu and Ladakh have been crying hoarse of KM domination and with the above idea, now they will be thrown to Punjab and HP domination. We don't have much common with Punjab or HP either.
Final solution would require Jammu and Ladakh to be separated from Valley and made into independent state/UT. K further can be divided into 2 parts and a slim slice of K be given to KP's.

PS: K folks don't have much common with POK hence no desire of merger.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 29 Jul 2019 17:15

^Yes, agree 400%

Jammu should be it's own state. So should Ladakh.

North Kashmir should be a state or a union territory, leaving the valley to be a union territory.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Jul 2019 17:18

Bart S wrote:^Yes, agree 400%

Jammu should be it's own state. So should Ladakh.

North Kashmir should be a state or a union territory, leaving the valley to be a union territory.

+100
A small Gaza strip type slice in the middle hosting KP's and few Garrisons would do the trick.

We need to learn something from Brits. Create entities and automatically denizen would love their entity more than the other.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Jul 2019 17:40

Bart S wrote:^Yes, agree 400%

Jammu should be it's own state. So should Ladakh.

North Kashmir should be a state or a union territory, leaving the valley to be a union territory.

baby steps. defang the valley and its money guzzling and useless political families.

start with delimitation and down the line elections.

onward from there without stepping on any jehadi landmines.

best time since the pakis are preoccupied with afpak, trump, fatf, world bank and general failed state syndrome.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 29 Jul 2019 19:26

Bart S wrote:^Yes, agree 400%

Jammu should be it's own state. So should Ladakh.

North Kashmir should be a state or a union territory, leaving the valley to be a union territory.

I agree that JK should be broken up into 3.
But what is the difference whether it is made into a state or a UT? Is there any advantage/disadvantage of either option? I am not very positive of India being divided into too many states.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Jul 2019 19:27

Mangos, school holidays and dying chicks - Fatima S Attarwala

Wow! Wow!! & Wow!!! : Terrorstanis "EATING" HENS and not Male Roosters!

As cruel as it sounds, the poultry sector’s demand and supply dynamics dictate fields of dying chicks. While the price of a day-old-chick (DOC) had gone as high as Rs42 at one point, higher costs of raising chickens amid limited demand mean that there are no buyers. And the chicks are left in fields to fend for themselves.

Poultry prices depend on a number of factors that fluctuate throughout the year. Comparatively unrelated events such as school holidays and mango season can decrease demand and hence bring the price of broiler chickens down.

“During the school year, eggs form an integral part of children’s lunch boxes, which is a reason why demand drops during the summer break,” says Khalil Sattar, chairman of the Pakistan Poultry Association and founder of K&N. “People opt to divert their household incomes towards mangos during the mango season, which is another factor driving down poultry demand. Similarly, beef haleem is a substitute for chicken-based food during Muharrum. On the other hand, the wedding season sees an upswing in preference for chicken thus prices rise.”

Only 5pc of total broiler chickens i.e. Male Chickens - the rest 95% are HENS - are processed for further value addition.
Cheers