Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Suraj
Forum Moderator
Posts: 13771
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 12:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Suraj » 06 Aug 2019 23:04

Sachin wrote:The SC does interfere if the law made by the Parliament violates any fundamental rights enshrined in the Constituition. For example look how they dealt with NJAC law; which was directly hitting them.

NJAC Act was struck down earlier because of the legislative appointee (Law Minister) who was part of the judge selection according to that Act. It wasn't a question of Fundamental Rights.

On the basis of Fundamental Rights, Article 370 itself is invalid, because it mandated that an Indian citizen not a resident of J&K has no Fundamental Rights in J&K derived from the Indian constitution, or the prior J&K one. E.g. Right to Freedom includes right of movement, residency and occupation, all of which were denied in J&K, even though the 1994 J&K constitutional amendment clearly states that J&K is a part of India.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14734
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 06 Aug 2019 23:19

Now everyone giving Gyan ...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 547440.cms
View: Why Kashmir move is a clear message to Trump, Pakistan
The answer from India has come. It drops the curtain on President Donald Trump’s enthusiasm to mediate in Kashmir and Pakistan’s attempts to link Kashmir to peace in Afghanistan.

The Indian government’s decision to withdraw the special status of Jammu & Kashmir and bifurcate the state, can also be read as a firm message to all who entertained any ideas of influencing, intervening or mediating in addition to its many domestic implications.

India’s move might raise alarm in some capitals, especially about the manner in which the state political leadership was put under house arrest and made incommunicado. State Department Spokesperson Morgan Ortagus expressed concern about “detentions” and urged that India respect “individual rights.”

But the overall statement from Ortagus was measured. While saying India had revised the constitutional status of Jammu & Kashmir, it noted the Indian government had “described these actions as strictly an internal matter”

New Delhi did well to keep Washington in the loop. External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar had apparently informed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo of New Delhi’s impending moves when the two met in Bangkok last week.

Also relevant is the fact the BJP had explicitly mentioned abrogation of Article 370 in its election manifesto earlier this year just like it had announced its intention to go nuclear in the 1998 party manifesto. It shouldn’t come as a surprise really.

The removal of “special status” does allow India to say there is no dispute to discuss with Pakistan anymore. It’s a risky decision but most Indians will likely support J&K’s mainstreaming. Whether Article 370 was the “biggest hurdle” to normalcy in the state as the home minister stressed remains to be seen.

The overall underlying message from the BJP – Now Trump can mediate in getting Pakistan-occupied Kashmir back to India.

The shock in Pakistan is palpable. Just as Prime Minister Imran Khan and his military sponsors thought they had gained ground in their US visit, the ground shifted.

When in doubt, cue in the outrage and a heavy dose of fear-mongering – Khan has already said India’s move will “further deteriorate relations between nuclear-capable neighbours.” The gratuitous reference to nuclear weapons is typical and aimed straight at Washington to generate predictable commentary from predictable commentators.

New Delhi should be quite used to the exercise.

But Pakistan’s frustration may translate into actions more desperate than already seen on the LOC in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s mediation offer. To press their fleeting advantage, Rawalpindi generals could create a border crisis to provoke an Indian reaction, which would give them an excuse to knock on Trump’s door once again.

They will activate Senator Lindsey Graham, their new champion who has easy access to Trump. Turns out Graham attended the Khan-Trump meeting last month and could well have been the planter of the Kashmir seed.

Don’t be surprised if Graham, egged on by Pakistan, comes up with some odd plan to triangulate the Kashmir issue in response to the revocation of Article 370.

Trump may continue to make fresh exertions on Kashmir until such time as Washington wants to keep Pakistan dreaming. But that will only prove the law of diminishing returns.

India’s position has been conveyed to the Trump Administration at all levels, and some of it may be getting through to the chief. Trump’s second attempt at offering mediation on Kashmir was marginally more restrained. Apparently National Security Advisor John Bolton and Vice President Mike Pence have explained India’s stand.

But what does it all mean in the end? It seems the Trump Administration has done its risk analysis on the subject and concluded that India’s discomfort/irritation is a price worth paying to keep Pakistan engaged in this crucial phase of the Afghanistan peace process.

Washington’s topmost priority in South Asia now is a face-saving “peace” agreement that allows at least half of the 14,000 US troops to come home. If the goal is achieved, Trump will project it as a massive foreign policy win in his re-election campaign. For that Pakistan’s cooperation is important.

But US officials also want Pakistan to meet its commitments to the Financial Action Task Force to get off the “grey list” for terrorist financing. A senior State Department official said last week that Pakistan’s “political commitments” had to be “translated into specific actions.”

The official stressed this administration had put more pressure on Pakistan than any other. “I don’t think there is any complaint from India about the South Asia strategy and its priorities.” And if Pakistan takes positive steps, “we are prepared to recognize the steps” but they must be sustainable and irreversible.

Pakistan is busy recalculating its moves as we speak.

ShyamSP
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2552
Joined: 06 Mar 2002 12:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby ShyamSP » 06 Aug 2019 23:54

pankajs wrote:Now everyone giving Gyan ...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 547440.cms
View: Why Kashmir move is a clear message to Trump, Pakistan

The overall underlying message from the BJP – [u]Now Trump can mediate in getting Pakistan-occupied Kashmir back to India.
[/u]


Give a larger vision than some India fence issues for the "Super" man/power to handle. Larger issues such as free Baluchistan and Tibet for Larger powers. You don't need sledge hammer for killing 1mm ant.

ArjunPandit
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3528
Joined: 29 Mar 2017 06:37

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby ArjunPandit » 06 Aug 2019 23:57

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... abKLL.html

My hypothesis that there is some understanding with China doesnt hold. Doesnt this merit a statement on the proceedings in HK by MoEA

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 00:15

Dimran threatens soosai
Sweet that this comes out on Faax Nooje.

Imran Khan warned of new suicide bombings in the disputed territory of Kashmir region after the Indian government rescinded the region's autonomy.

Khan made the remarks during a speech to the parliament, urging the world to notice India’s reckless moves to change the status of disputed Kashmir, which is split between the two countries, and stressing that it will lead to violence.

“With an approach of this nature, incidents like Pulwama are bound to happen again. I can already predict this will happen,” Khan said, referring to the February terror attack that killed 40 paramilitary police in Pulwama.

{Next Balakot will be in downtown Isloo}

He expressed fears that Kashmiri people, angered over India’s decision to strip the region of its special status, may target Indian security forces, an attack New Delhi may pin on Pakistan.

The Indian government blamed Pakistan for the terror attack in February, bringing the two countries to the brink of war after India retaliated by striking Pakistani targets. Tensions eventually eased following a few goodwill gestures, including a release of a captured Indian pilot, and international reaction.


Interesting terminology:

India’s reckless moves to change the status of disputed Kashmir, which is split between the two countries


Recognizing that India has the authority to make or change laws in POK as well? :rotfl:

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 00:20

FoxNews:
But the Pakistani leader said this time, if New Delhi decides to strike targets inside his country, such hostility would likely lead to war.
Pakistan’s army chief, meanwhile, said the military will “go to any extent” to support Kashmiris and that Pakistan's regional security policy “stands by the Kashmiris in their just struggle to the very end of every Kashmiri Muslim,” the Telegraph reported.


PA Escalation Ladder:
1. Suicide IED: Indus water treaty phut
2. Cross-LOC attack: Rail links cut at RYK
3. Terror attack inside India: Karachi waterfront in flames
4. Another terror attack: Balochustani Independence.

Karachi in flames, Gwadar encircled by Balochi rebels, north-south artery cut at RYK: Pakjab teeters.
Last edited by UlanBatori on 07 Aug 2019 00:27, edited 1 time in total.

vijayk
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4934
Joined: 22 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby vijayk » 07 Aug 2019 00:24

(((Christine Fair)))
@CChristineFair
So maybe it was a good thing that our trip to Srinagar got called off? We were supposed to be there over the weekend and ended up doing Amritsar instead...Back in Delhi. I've spoken with a few Kashmiri Muslims. They are totally cool with this. They expect investment.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 00:34

From TimesNow:

Pro-India posters pop up across Islamabad suggesting integration of Balochistan, PoK into India. :shock: :?:

The posters read "Maha Bharat" with a map of India including PoK and Baloch region.

Interestingly, the posters also contain remarks of Shiv Sena leader Sanjay Raut asserting that India will reclaim Balochistan and PoK the same way it reclaimed Jammu and Kashmir by revoking Article 370.

"Today, we have reclaimed Jammu and Kashmir. Tomorrow, we will take Balochistan and PoK. I have trust in this government that it'll fulfil the dream of undivided India," Raut has been quoted in the poster as saying.

Fess up, IAF: GPS-guided posters?

vijayk
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4934
Joined: 22 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby vijayk » 07 Aug 2019 00:36

https://theprint.in/opinion/on-article- ... ct/272429/

Surprisingly, the reactions were, without exception, muted and unconcerned, bordering on approval. Although the conversations were restricted to Article 35A, they led me to believe that the scrapping of Article 370 will elicit no real response from the international community, save rage in Pakistan and a pro-forma condemnation by the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). Why is that?

Modi did the groundwork
Clearly, Prime Minister Narendra Modi was laying the ground for this momentous occasion when he spoke to Donald Trump at the Osaka G20 summit. He definitely did not ask for mediation, but he almost certainly informed him of the decision, although that clearly went awry. Trump’s restraint in not responding to a public denial by the Indian government meant that some kind of urgent communication had taken place and the US President was finally informed about the exact request. Clearly when asked again – he did offer to mediate if asked – he did not repeat that he was asked to mediate by Modi.

In many ways, the US reaction is not just the most important reaction, it’s the only real reaction that counts. This is because the western foreign policy media, dominated as it is by US thinking, is seldom divergent and will align its views to the US.


UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 00:47

Interesting US reaction. its like someone countered a bully and beat the pakistan out of him in the school playground. When the bully :(( , the Principal says: "Please exercise restraint: Don't have battles OUTSIDE the school gates: :rotfl:

Anujan
Forum Moderator
Posts: 7008
Joined: 27 May 2007 03:55

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Anujan » 07 Aug 2019 00:56

I think Pakistan should retaliate against the US by pulling out of Taliban talks. I think they should also allow Siraj Haqqani to hold a rally and openly collect funds.

vijayk
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4934
Joined: 22 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby vijayk » 07 Aug 2019 01:01

R Jagannathan Retweeted

Tavleen Singh
@tavleen_singh

I have rarely read so much rubbish in a single tweet! :rotfl:

Rana Ayyub
@RanaAyyub
· Aug 5
India has made it clear today that Kashmiri lives never really mattered. It was always that piece of land to fulfill its dream of Akhand bharat. It was the bloody real estate that will now be sold to the highest bidders while Kashmiri lives will be crushed.

ArjunPandit
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3528
Joined: 29 Mar 2017 06:37

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby ArjunPandit » 07 Aug 2019 01:08

Bart S wrote:
pankajs wrote:The Ladakh MP is on fire! ... Watch on Indian Today TV.

BTW, I don't think this speech was prepared overnight. Someone worked on the talking points for days perhaps months and kept it ready to be delivered.


1. Speeches like this are typically culmination of experiences for a long period, the points are just collated. His conviction shows he has been working on all the aspects and connected well with the ground. People just keep things in mind and accumulate over periods.He shows wisdom beyond years, but the hardships actually bring out such things. In my single visit to ladakh many years back..common people actually told about many of these things...in addition to the corruption cuts by officials from srinagar and unnecessary employment of kashmiris that they had to do at the cost of their own..to keep the officials happy. Dont want to extrapolate as it was based on a very small sample and individual experience
2. this guy comes across as a fantastic pic by bjp..he buldozed the entire narrative in less than 10 minutes. He is a good candidate to be groomed as a the leader for entire J&K not just ladakh. he should be closely followed.

V_Raman
BRFite
Posts: 834
Joined: 04 Sep 2008 22:25

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby V_Raman » 07 Aug 2019 01:18

I cant stop watching the Ladakh MP speech! Exhilarating!!

KJo
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9854
Joined: 05 Oct 2010 02:54

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby KJo » 07 Aug 2019 01:58

vijayk wrote:
(((Christine Fair)))
@CChristineFair
So maybe it was a good thing that our trip to Srinagar got called off? We were supposed to be there over the weekend and ended up doing Amritsar instead...Back in Delhi. I've spoken with a few Kashmiri Muslims. They are totally cool with this. They expect investment.


I hope these Kashmiri Muslims above know what "investment" is. It is not dole or welfare or freebies, they seem to be used to having the rest of India pay for their stuff. Now they have to work for it just like anyone else.
Last edited by KJo on 07 Aug 2019 02:36, edited 1 time in total.

Manu
BRFite
Posts: 765
Joined: 28 May 2003 11:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Manu » 07 Aug 2019 02:01

vijayk wrote:
(((Christine Fair)))
@CChristineFair
So maybe it was a good thing that our trip to Srinagar got called off? We were supposed to be there over the weekend and ended up doing Amritsar instead...Back in Delhi. I've spoken with a few Kashmiri Muslims. They are totally cool with this. They expect investment.


Could you not think of a less-bitter, less- crazy and less-narcissistic person to highlight here? She is pure poison.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14734
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 02:06

Anujan wrote:I think Pakistan should retaliate against the US by pulling out of Taliban talks. I think they should also allow Siraj Haqqani to hold a rally and openly collect funds.
Has my vote.

Alice Wells, or whatever her name is, is going to be in Isloo soon like tomorrow maybe. At the very least, Bakis should tell her no AfPak deal unless India hands over Kashmir on a platter with a ribbon on top. That should teach that bleddy Mudi not to take bakistan lightly henceforth.

One a more serious note, Modi has cross-wired a lot of things in the area with this ONE move.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 02:45

What Cash-More-I "students" THINK (!!!) of Modi.


Kommands:
Ulan Batori
Ulan Batori
6 hours ago
Stop throwing stones. Consider attending classes. If you are a student, STUDY. Work hard at it. Become honest. Then you can get a good job anywhere in India provided you don't have a terrorist/traitor record. Same as the rest of Indians. When Indian soldiers risked their lives pulling your asses from the floods, you ingrates turned around and threw stones at them. Indians are tired of coddling you. The world is tired of your whining and your behavior. Behave like citizens - or leave to the Heaven across the LOC.
:eek: :shock:
We Brotesht!!

Bliss to go and put kommands. 6 hours, no brickbats. May have reached the word "Con" at their reading speed.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21060
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Philip » 07 Aug 2019 02:50

The US's grand strategy is to have a permanent satellite state in the region which will allow it military facilities from where it can exercise its military power to protect its interests.Oil from the Gulf and countering both China and Russia penetrating into the Arabian Sea, is a continuation of the Great Game played out during the last century, the British replaced today by the US.

Thus far, the Pakis have been the perfect catamite, rent-boy par excellence .Simultaneously , it has tried to seduce India from Snake- Oil Singh's time, when he weakly acquiesced to demands to purchase large quantities of US arms and allow other facilities in exchange for the N-deal.Armtwisting our tough PM Modi as was done to Singh, has proved otherwise .While welcoming better ties, as equals, our PM has drawn a line beyond which the US cannot cross.

The threats of sanctions if we bought Russian arms, Iranian oil and interference in J&K to benefit Pak has been the last straw to the current dispensation in Delhi. The swift, sudden stealth strike in relegating Art.370, etc.,to the dustbin, an anomaly in the Indian state for decades , which allowed vested interests to destabilise J&K in the interests of Pak and its sponsors has most dramatically changed the scenario. This is the equivalent of a warhead with MIRVs! The quisling Kashmiris, perfidious Pakis, crooked Chinese and arrogant and asinine Americans have all been upended by the action of Modiji and Amitji. Like severing the Gordian knot, the Kashmiri " knot" has been severed in style by the sword of Hindustan weilded by the PM and his team led by Amitji.

India's enemies and those who thought we could be " re- colonised" by threats and braggadocio, have taken an almighty tumble.Those most badly wounded are the Kashmiri quislings and Perfidious Pakis, the latter bruised and bloodied along with a painful crotch! The Chins have been slapped in the face and the Yanquis snubbed in style, both interlopers "given the shaft" and told to mind their own business.

Our task now is to swiftly follow up in executing the details of the decision taken and return peace to the state...sorry, Union Territories.
QED.

Katare
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2579
Joined: 02 Mar 2002 12:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Katare » 07 Aug 2019 03:04

We need to change the title of the thread- Article 370 has not been repealed. Some of it”s provisions been taken out using the act itself.

vijayk
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4934
Joined: 22 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby vijayk » 07 Aug 2019 03:17

Rahul Kanwal
@rahulkanwal
·
7h
What are the chances: Bill to scrap Article 370 passed with 370 Ayes. 70 Nos. The battle in Parliament was won easily by the BJP. But the most important battle is to win the hearts and minds of the people of J&K and to deliver on all the promises that were made in the house.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54825
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby ramana » 07 Aug 2019 03:17

vijayk wrote:
(((Christine Fair)))
@CChristineFair
So maybe it was a good thing that our trip to Srinagar got called off? We were supposed to be there over the weekend and ended up doing Amritsar instead...Back in Delhi. I've spoken with a few Kashmiri Muslims. They are totally cool with this. They expect investment.


So UnFair bibi is planning to settle down in desh?

Muppalla
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7096
Joined: 12 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Muppalla » 07 Aug 2019 03:20

Now China retaliated with no visas to Manas sarovar pilgrimage to Indians as we changed the status of Ladakh.

Suraj
Forum Moderator
Posts: 13771
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 12:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Suraj » 07 Aug 2019 03:23

Katare wrote:We need to change the title of the thread- Article 370 has not been repealed. Some of it”s provisions been taken out using the act itself.

Technically it has been made inoperative. Not the same as repealed, and also not the same as 'some provisions taken out', but it basically eliminates J&K's autonomous powers in favour of full application of the Indian Constitution.

IndraD
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7355
Joined: 26 Dec 2008 15:38
Location: भारत का निश्चेत गगन

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby IndraD » 07 Aug 2019 03:45

In response to India abrogating 370 , Pk handles tweeting Pakistani air space closed to Indian flights and HC to be called back
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1 ... 05536?s=20

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 03:47

We were supposed to be there over the weekend and ended up doing Amritsar instead...Back in Delhi. I've spoken with a few Kashmiri Muslims.


:eek: Sorry to raise this on such a gentle family forum, BUT... what does"doing Amritsar.." mean? :shock: :eek: :oops:

IndraD
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7355
Joined: 26 Dec 2008 15:38
Location: भारत का निश्चेत गगन

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby IndraD » 07 Aug 2019 03:56

SM abuzz that Pk is planning some misadventure , it may even execute Jadhav

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14734
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 04:11

They are trying to lure the "World powers" to intervene and prevent a "noclear" catastrophe in the subcontinent. Theek hai.

V_Raman
BRFite
Posts: 834
Joined: 04 Sep 2008 22:25

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby V_Raman » 07 Aug 2019 04:14

One interpretation of what Trump said. We know you are going to soon abrogate 370 - as you have told us. My mediation talk is about what will happen if you do that. Is that possible?

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54825
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby ramana » 07 Aug 2019 04:16

UB You didn't read her wrong. She might be planning to settle down in Delhi.

BTW, AP and Maharashtra Tourism Corporations are already advertising tours to the new Union Territories and planning to build hotels for travelers.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54825
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby ramana » 07 Aug 2019 04:17

V_Raman wrote:One interpretation of what Trump said. We know you are going to soon abrogate 370 - as you have told us. My mediation talk is about what will happen if you do that. Is that possible?


Even DT doesn't know what he meant.

Our work of integrating has happened double quick.

Almost like Crimea.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 04:38

This 370 would make absolutely no sense to anyone outside India and yindoo culture. Indian soldiers were dropped into J&K in a desperate attempt to stop the vermin from mass-murdering, raping and enslaving Kashmiris. And when that battle was sort-of won, the Kashmiris told the Indians that they had no right to ****BUY***** (not "TAKE" as Pakis would have done) land in Kashmir? What about the land where their blood was shed? Where they fell dead? Insane. It should be a Case Study in the Annals of Asinine Diplo-Blunders.

Imagine Texas Accession Act. Would DupliCity agree to give Texas Special Autonomy, with carpet-baggers from Maine (such as Bush family) prohibited from owning property in Texas? Did Russia prohibit Russians from owning land in Crimea? Britain prevent Englishppl from owning land in Scotland or Northern Ireland?

Americans went into Oirope to drive out the Nazis. Over 100,000 died. Were Americans prohibited from buying land in Europe as a result?

370 as practised these past 65 years was totally insane. So no DT would even pretend to understand that. It was faaar worse than the treaties that DT accused BO and predecessors from signing.

DT offer to mediate may be to get permission to build Trump Towers Muzzafarbad after negotiating POK accession to India.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14734
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 04:45

Every such analysis with a bucket of salt so here it is ...

https://theprint.in/opinion/this-is-gen ... ir/272804/
This is General Bajwa’s dilemma after Modi govt’s Article 370 move in Kashmir

disha
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 7422
Joined: 03 Dec 2006 04:17
Location: gaganaviharin

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby disha » 07 Aug 2019 04:47

IndraD wrote:SM abuzz that Pk is planning some misadventure , it may even execute Jadhav


Bakis are stupid. They will prove again and again that they are stupid. So cannot put past them. If Bakis do the above, they will prove again that they are stupid and they definitely are the barbarian dregs of orcs.

There is a limit when their four fathers want to step in to bail them out. None stepped in even after so many days. Even former UK had to resort to a measly farticle in Guardian and former UK is still watching developments. BBC is even more measly, it ends up with a statement

However another constitutional expert, AG Noorani, told BBC Hindi it was "an illegal decision, akin to committing fraud" that could be challenged in the Supreme Court.


But the fraud was committed by the leaders of Cashmere in connivance with Bandit'ji on Jammu, Ladakh & Kashmir and the entire of India by dissolving its constituent assembly and putting in force a state constitution which denied basic rights to half of its citizens.

In nutshell, anybody supporting Article 370 is a sexist, casteist, rapist, murderer.

khan
BRFite
Posts: 830
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 12:31
Location: Tx

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby khan » 07 Aug 2019 04:53

IndraD wrote:In response to India abrogating 370 , Pk handles tweeting Pakistani air space closed to Indian flights and HC to be called back
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1 ... 05536?s=20

After Balakit, these same ISI mouthpieces were screaming about going to Sialkot. This has no value unless there is corroboration.

I just went in their shi**y website, there is no NOTAM https://www.caapakistan.com.pk/NOTAMS/NotamView.aspx

Someone with a twitter account should ask him what the h*ll kind of “security analyst” he is.

SriKumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2059
Joined: 27 Feb 2006 07:22
Location: sarvatra

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby SriKumar » 07 Aug 2019 05:09

The MP from Ladhakh is something. He had his notes but spoke totally ex tempore and referred to them only occasionally, to look at points. All his speech came from straight from his head. And when was the last time one heard this line from anybody in KAshmir- Hum bharat ka atoot ang ban na chahte hain. He said it twice. That's Ladakh for you.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14734
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 05:10

Bhellu ...

https://twitter.com/pratheesh_Hind/stat ... 2152162305
Pratheesh Viswanath @pratheesh_Hind

Burnt effigy of Ernakulam MP Hybi Eden who voted against scrapping 370. Totally ashamed of all 20 MPs from Kerala who took anti National stand and echoed voice of pakistan.
@AmitShah
@PMOIndia

#ShameOnCongress

ShyamSP
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2552
Joined: 06 Mar 2002 12:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby ShyamSP » 07 Aug 2019 05:12

Suraj wrote:
Katare wrote:We need to change the title of the thread- Article 370 has not been repealed. Some of it”s provisions been taken out using the act itself.

Technically it has been made inoperative. Not the same as repealed, and also not the same as 'some provisions taken out', but it basically eliminates J&K's autonomous powers in favour of full application of the Indian Constitution.


Check the comments from ex AGs to usual idiot.
https://youtu.be/CQ5iJEdvihE

370 is scrapped. They may not tear 2 pages or cut&delete of current constitution but can do for next edition just like they did for some 371x provisions.

Suraj
Forum Moderator
Posts: 13771
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 12:31

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Suraj » 07 Aug 2019 05:19

I think this is primarily a question of how one parses 'scrapped'. I define the term as the constitution having been amended and the Act modified or deleted.

But that has not happened, since there has been no constitution amendment bill tabled or passed on the matter - there was a Presidential Order within the purview of Article 370, followed by a legislative act.

I prefer the term inoperative, because it matches official language, and better defines the situation - the Article remains in the constitution, and has been rendered ineffective through one of its subsections that the President has the power to exercise.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21060
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Philip » 07 Aug 2019 05:46

As expected, some of the pro- Paki UK newsrags have sharply criticised the scrapping of Art.370, forgetting their most heinous and shameful role in the Partition of India, an act worse than even the Nazi Holocaust and treatment of its " untermenschen".They calmly state that war broke out almost immediately after independence, simply ignoring the facts of history and act of Partition that fuelled war and conflict on the subcontinent of India that 7 decades plus, has not ended.This was the masterplan of the British to leave the peoples of former imperial India at each others throats so we would never
attain our global status as one of the greatest powers economically and strategically.

Despite Partition, 7 decades on, India has emerged as a great power, dismembered Pakistan, the British creation and is reaching for the moon literally speaking.The ambition of its rulers are to regain our lost heritage and to fulfill our " tryst with destiny".As far as J& K is concerned, that " tryst" has been well and truly filled....on our side of the LOC.Regaining POK is what remains.


Return to “Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], James and 43 guests