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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby ArjunPandit » 07 Aug 2019 20:35

what pakistan has a human rights minister....

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

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Postby mmasand » 07 Aug 2019 20:49

US State Dept reacts to reports in the media.

Contrary to press reporting, the Indian government did not consult or inform the US Government before moving to revoke Jammu and Kashmir’s special constitutional status. - AGW


https://twitter.com/State_SCA/status/11 ... 80800?s=20

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Postby chetak » 07 Aug 2019 20:50

twitter

35A & 370 no more exists in Jammu & Kashmir..

But they will operate only in NAMMA BENGALURU...

35A - Srinagar to K R Market...
370 - Bannerghatta to KR Market...

Proud of you BMTC...



BMTC time table/route chart

35A K R Market, KIMS Hospital/Makkalakoota, Chamarajpet/Uma Talkies, Bangalore High School, Ramakrishna Ashram, Ganesh Bhavan, Kumaraswamy Temple, Hanumanthanagar, Nirmala Stores, Srinagar Apex Bank, Srinagar

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 20:53

This guy is well connected into the Indian defense/intelligence circles. Has credibility and needs to be taken seriously.

https://twitter.com/nitingokhale/status ... 0071028736
Nitin A. Gokhale @nitingokhale

Having been outfoxed on Kashmir, Pakistan does the next best thing: go crying to one of their three masters, Saudi Arabia. Its foreign minister Mehmud Qureshi is already in Riyadh pleading with the Saudis to condemn India’s action and get the OIC to do the same
Nitin A. Gokhale @nitingokhale

Meanwhile, Islamabad has gone ahead and done the easiest thing it could: downgrade diplomatic ties with India and halt trade. Suits India. As it is, there is hardly any interaction officially or otherwise between India and Pakistan
Nitin A. Gokhale @nitingokhale

In another sign of desperation, the usual suspects—JeM, LeT and all anti-India groups—have rushed to GHQ in Rawalpindi pleading with the Army to up the ante along the LoC. The Army, knowing fully well it doesn’t have the capacity to raise the tempo, is in turn passing the buck[/b]
Nitin A. Gokhale @nitingokhale

[b]The Army wants JeM, LeT to carry out attacks in big Indian cities to provoke an Indian provocation which can then invite international mediation. There is a definite intelligence about attempts being made to push operatives into India to try and carry out terrorist attacks
Nitin A. Gokhale @nitingokhale

All these attempts are clearly born out of frustration and helplessness Islamabad feels. All the so-called sympathy for Kashmiris is nothing but pretence. After all Pakistan didn’t utter a word about the plight of Ugyhurs

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 20:56

mmasand wrote:US State Dept reacts to reports in the media.

Contrary to press reporting, the Indian government did not consult or inform the US Government before moving to revoke Jammu and Kashmir’s special constitutional status. - AGW


https://twitter.com/State_SCA/status/11 ... 80800?s=20

Makes sense.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Uttam » 07 Aug 2019 20:58

pankajs wrote:
mmasand wrote:US State Dept reacts to reports in the media.



https://twitter.com/State_SCA/status/11 ... 80800?s=20

Makes sense.


Didn't India say that US was "informed." Of course, they didn't "consult."

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Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 21:02

Uttam wrote:
pankajs wrote:Makes sense.


Didn't India say that US was "informed." Of course, they didn't "consult."

Not "consulted or informed" per Jooess.

Indian reports were all he said, she said or someone farted. There wasn't even a direct quote but summary of he said she said. In my view it was always suspect.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby IndraD » 07 Aug 2019 21:15

Pakistan
-to downgrade bilateral trades
-not import tomatoes, not to supply salt
-close Wagha border
-downgrade diplomatic ties
-get world to act on Kashmir

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 21:23

What would State Dept. know of US govt. information sources?

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Postby IndraD » 07 Aug 2019 21:27

in the meanwhile Pk scribes like Hamid Mir are urging Donald Trump to act on India
Their parliament meet to discuss JK was laugh riot https://twitter.com/Ruchhan/status/1159 ... 14433?s=20

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Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 21:28

UlanBatori wrote:What would State Dept. know of US govt. information sources?

You make a valid point. What if the SD statement is based on "he said, she said or someone farted"?

That too would make the USSD statement suspect. :((

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Postby mmasand » 07 Aug 2019 21:30

How Pakistani Senate responded to withdrawal of article 370.

https://twitter.com/Ruchhan/status/1159 ... 14433?s=20

Promise you - this is the best thing out of Isloo this week.

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Postby manjgu » 07 Aug 2019 21:32

ah good..i just bought 5 kg sendha namak yesterday !! bach gaye. thanks god trade ends..last time they tried to smuggle 500 kg of heroin with sendha namak, Now i know why i am feeling high eating pakistani sendha namak.

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Postby sudeepj » 07 Aug 2019 21:33

mmasand wrote:US State Dept reacts to reports in the media.

Contrary to press reporting, the Indian government did not consult or inform the US Government before moving to revoke Jammu and Kashmir’s special constitutional status. - AGW


https://twitter.com/State_SCA/status/11 ... 80800?s=20


This is delicious! GoI doing unto The rump as the rump did unto them! :rotfl: Let the potus convince whiny PakMil about how the US did not back stab them yet again! :rotfl:

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Postby Sabyasachi » 07 Aug 2019 21:37

Watch Ajai Shukla.

May be his followers can explain what he trying to say to the world at large.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AEOwnwScAA

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Postby sudhan » 07 Aug 2019 21:38

pankajs wrote:
In another sign of desperation, the usual suspects—JeM, LeT and all anti-India groups—have rushed to GHQ in Rawalpindi pleading with the Army to up the ante along the LoC. The Army, knowing fully well it doesn’t have the capacity to raise the tempo, is in turn passing the buck


Pass the buck where? The yahoos know where the buck really stops.. If the pigLeTs are indeed coming knocking, the brown pants better not turn their backs to them.. for they will be instant forceful GUBO

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Postby pankajs » 07 Aug 2019 21:50

Army tasks the yahoos to bring India to its knees. Blowback, if any, will be blamed on the inept handling of the selected PM, in this case Dimran. Problem solved!

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Rahul M » 07 Aug 2019 21:50

I have a contrary opinion of the paki reaction so far. With the expected toothless steps they are trying to lull us into complacence, in the same way GOI did after pathankot attacks.
mark my words, expect a paki style attack attempt in the next 2-3 months using which TSPA will try to prove to kashmiris & jihadis that it is still relevant and can still trouble India.

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Postby sudeepj » 07 Aug 2019 22:00

Sabyasachi wrote:Watch Ajai Shukla.

May be his followers can explain what he trying to say to the world at large.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AEOwnwScAA


Not a Shukla follower but why is a Turkish talk show important to what we think or do? Under Erdogan, Turkey is on the rapid road to ottomanization.. which will surely be followed by the Kurds and Greeks asserting themselves, perhaps in a decade. A Strategic geolocation can be rather dangerous for establishments that dont know what they are doing.

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Postby vijayk » 07 Aug 2019 22:00

Guys! Spread this video around

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 8783226882

NSA Ajit Doval eating lunch with Kashmiri locals in Shopian of South Kashmir this afternoon. Normalcy being slowly restored in the valley. What a remarkable gesture by the NSA! Interacting with people on ground and checking on their safety, security and well being! #Peace

https://t.co/fGr4tHuEKD?amp=1

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 0625049600
Kashmiris from North Kashmir say they are happy with the abolition of Article 370 and want peace and development to now begin with the end of Funds Raj (Criminal rule). This is in the interiors of North Kashmir which does often see infiltration from Pakistan. Brave voices.
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Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 22:02

The Mission Plan has already been approved to land an intrepid team at India's Antarctic base dressed as penguins.

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Postby UlanBatori » 07 Aug 2019 22:03

vijayk wrote:Guys! Spread this video around

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 8783226882

NSA Ajit Doval eating lunch with Kashmiri locals in Shopian of South Kashmir this afternoon. Normalcy being slowly restored in the valley. What a remarkable gesture by the NSA! Interacting with people on ground and checking on their safety, security and well being! #Peace


All RAA agints, no doubt. Read the questions and answers.

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Postby IndraD » 07 Aug 2019 22:04

while nothing to do with security aspect of 370, tweet like these shame Biharis like us who had to leave state for livelihood
https://twitter.com/SushilModi/status/1 ... 9374858240

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Postby williams » 07 Aug 2019 22:06

Rahul M wrote:I have a contrary opinion of the paki reaction so far. With the expected toothless steps they are trying to lull us into complacency, in the same way, GOI did after Pathankot attacks.
Mark my words, expect a paki style attack attempt in the next 2-3 months using which TSPA will try to prove to Kashmiris & jihadis that it is still relevant and can still trouble India.


I agree Pakis will try to bring in violence. But with the MAD team in the helm of affairs, these things would have been gamed and the appropriate response should have been calculated. And there will be a much bigger response if god forbid there is another terrorist incident. From Mad perspective, this is the beginning of the end of Pakis.

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Postby sudeepj » 07 Aug 2019 22:11

Rahul M wrote:I have a contrary opinion of the paki reaction so far. With the expected toothless steps they are trying to lull us into complacence, in the same way GOI did after pathankot attacks.
mark my words, expect a paki style attack attempt in the next 2-3 months using which TSPA will try to prove to kashmiris & jihadis that it is still relevant and can still trouble India.


Pakis are faced with the same choice they were faced with in 1965. In 1964 - 65, after India bought time with Swaran Singh - Butto talks.. and seeing the Indian armed forces on a rapid reorganization and modernization plan and realized, that 65 was the last time they could use a conventional war to 'take' Kashmir. They tested their theory in the Rann-of-Kutch and a few months later, launched Op Gibraltar followed by Grand Slam.

Today, PakMil are faced with the prospect that this is the last time they can use unconventional/terrorist means to 'take' Kashmir. If nothing, they can at least piss in the punch and spoil a 'new beginning'/reset that the GoI has tried with the 370/UT measures.

The logical conclusion is that terror spectaculars, intifada type uprisings will be tried. Albeit, the timing can be adjusted to have a political impact in India.. (e.g. just before elections), after the Americans have agreed to leave Afghanistan, IMF/FATF sorted out etc. If I were a Pakistani leader, I would hate my hand at this time. There is very little room for maneuver without the blowback destroying my own life, regardless of the option I choose.

Pakistan must be warned in no uncertain terms that both the personal/political interests of Pak leaders as well as national assets of Pakistan will be damaged in a disproportional response to any misadventure.

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Postby kit » 07 Aug 2019 22:14

chetak wrote:And @washingtonpost allows this liar, rumor monger to write for them !!!




maybe trump can invest in some real estate in kashmir , not a bad idea :mrgreen:

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Postby vijayk » 07 Aug 2019 22:28

Check timelines of Islamist wives/keeps

https://twitter.com/suhasinih
https://twitter.com/Nidhi

can't say bad but have been RTing every doomsday scenario

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Postby Sabyasachi » 07 Aug 2019 22:35

sudeepj wrote:
Sabyasachi wrote:Watch Ajai Shukla.

May be his followers can explain what he trying to say to the world at large.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AEOwnwScAA


Not a Shukla follower but why is a Turkish talk show important to what we think or do? Under Erdogan, Turkey is on the rapid road to ottomanization.. which will surely be followed by the Kurds and Greeks asserting themselves, perhaps in a decade. A Strategic geolocation can be rather dangerous for establishments that dont know what they are doing.


Where I have a talked about the show and its obvious templet?

It is about what Ajai Shukla is barking against India.

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Postby Anujan » 07 Aug 2019 22:43

Rahul M wrote:I have a contrary opinion of the paki reaction so far. With the expected toothless steps they are trying to lull us into complacence, in the same way GOI did after pathankot attacks.
mark my words, expect a paki style attack attempt in the next 2-3 months using which TSPA will try to prove to kashmiris & jihadis that it is still relevant and can still trouble India.


Interesting side effect of this action is that Pakistan opposition parties are piling on Dimran. Blahwall said Dimran's foreign policy was a failure. Maryam Nawaz Sharif said if Dimran wants political unity now, he is not going to get political unity because he has jailed all of the opposition.

Some are suggesting Dimran indulged in YYY kanspeerajy with Donald Duck and knew about everything.

From here, it's just a small distance to label Dimran as betrayer of Kashmir and clamor for his overthrow. There are huge implications on domestic politics in Pakistan as well.

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Postby Karthik S » 07 Aug 2019 22:46

Rahul M wrote:I have a contrary opinion of the paki reaction so far. With the expected toothless steps they are trying to lull us into complacence, in the same way GOI did after pathankot attacks.
mark my words, expect a paki style attack attempt in the next 2-3 months using which TSPA will try to prove to kashmiris & jihadis that it is still relevant and can still trouble India.


From the look of it, it seems that's exactly what India wants, we want them to do something stupid so that we'll be justified in a non linear reaction as Ramana sir says.

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Postby Vikas » 07 Aug 2019 23:23

On the contrary if Pakis do not do anything NOW and wait till Afghan elections, They would have lost the momentum (If any), The world would have moved on to trouble in Sino-USA trade and fear of upcoming recession besides other first world problems. Whatever Pakis would do later would be marked as regular terror activity and would have no impact whatsoever (The kind Abduls are hoping for). Knowing Abduls, They will suck it up because no one knows from where their next meal will come although massive rains and floods are about to hit Pak sending them into tipsy for next few weeks.
So I am calculating that Pak would do whatever it can in the month of Aug. With winters just around the corner after Aug, It would be hard to pull of anything spectacular.

Sending in Terrorists and killing Indians is now old school tactics and may not work this time. The terror threat in India has gone done not because Paki scums aren't trying hard but because security forces and intelligence is better organized than 90's and early 00's.

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Postby Prem Kumar » 07 Aug 2019 23:31

Pakis will not try anything in J&K. They don't want Crystal Mazes up their musharraf. They will try to activate their sleeper cells in TN, Kerala, WB (at least whoever is remaining after the NIA raids). All they need are some yahoos who will blow up a car & claim that this is revenge for Art 370.

There are enough presstitutes + Congress who will claim that "all of India has become Kashmir" because of Modi's recklessness

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Postby sudeepj » 07 Aug 2019 23:32

Its instructive to observe the BJP coverage on this issue:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ws+kashmir

Its dominated by India bad, Kashmiris upset, protest, violence etc. etc. etc.

check out VOA news and its a lot more balanced.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... p=EgQIAxAB

They actually have clips of celebrations in Jammu and also the Kashmiri Pandit population.

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Postby abhijitm » 07 Aug 2019 23:35

A high probability that there will be major terror attack on key Indian cities, especially Mumbai. And they have openly said that. Question is should we then take the bait and attack them or show patience?

I think we should beat the shite out of them for any misadventure.

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Postby V_Raman » 07 Aug 2019 23:39

There is no way Indian Muslims will do anything in this atmosphere. Any such act will paint the whole community as anti-national. That is why we dont see any terror attacks outside of J&K. Without support from Indian Muslims, TSP cannot do anything outside of J&K.

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Postby Bart S » 08 Aug 2019 00:00

Must watch! An absolutely hilarious take-down of Pakistan:
https://www.btvi.in/videos/pakistan-in- ... -370/36189

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Postby abhijitm » 08 Aug 2019 00:01

There are good number of ISI sleeper cells in India. Also 26/11 type intrusion via different routes can be planned. One thing is sure, whatever pak want to do they will do within a year max so that Modi will have less time to settle things down in J&K. They will try to destabalize the atmosphere as soon as possible.

After 370 move, all baits are off for terrorirsts. The attack will cross J&K border as Indians have now crossed their line. I am not scaremongering but we need to prepare for the eventuality and GoI needs to decide the action/reaction.

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Postby V_Raman » 08 Aug 2019 00:10

There is no way sleeper cells can be activated without IM support. Not possible. 26/11 type intrusion - maybe - but even that needs IM support after landfall. The public is hyper vigilant now. Near impossible to pull something like that.

If they can still effect something - then all bets are off.

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