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A massive explosion struck Central Paris causing several injuries
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A massive explosion struck Central Paris causing several injuries
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caused by gas leak as per french authorities.
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Rahul M wrote:caused by gas leak as per french authorities.
i doubt that explanation.
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perhaps some other type of bread was being prepared in backside of that bakery.
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might have been some manufacturing error for black cheese, that was imported to mumbai in early '90s
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PM Modi’s France visit: Focus on terrorism, space and military cooperation.
We need to pursue the relationship and make it truly Strategic. We cannot take support from Russia or USA for granted and need at least one guaranteed/assured Veto wielding power in our corner to take care of any exigencies in the Security Council/UN General assembly.
We need to pursue the relationship and make it truly Strategic. We cannot take support from Russia or USA for granted and need at least one guaranteed/assured Veto wielding power in our corner to take care of any exigencies in the Security Council/UN General assembly.
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^^ok now i know why the rafale rumours aer flying higher than the kites..
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India, Pakistan should resolve Kashmir bilaterally, no third party should 'incite' violence: Macron.
India and Pakistan should resolve the Kashmir issue bilaterally and no third party should "interfere or incite" violence in the region, French President Emmanuel Macron said on Thursday after his marathon one-on-one talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
The two leaders reviewed the entire gamut of the dynamic and multifaceted bilateral relationship during their more than 90-minute long oneon-one meeting at Chateau de Chantilly, one of the finest jewels of French cultural heritage, located about 50 kms north of Paris.
The one-on-one interaction was followed by the delegation-level talks. After the talks, the two countries signed four MoUs.
In a joint press statement after the talks, President Macron said that Prime Minister Modi briefed him about the recent decision taken by India on Jammu and Kashmir and that it is in their sovereignty.
"I told him that India and Pakistan will have to find a solution to the issue and no third party should interfere or incite violence in the region," Macron said. He said that peace should be maintained in the region and peoples' rights should be protected. "I will also speak to Pakistan Prime Minister after a few days and tell him that the talks should be held bilaterally," the French president said.
He also said that France will deliver 1st of the 36 Rafale fighter jets to India next month.
Speaking after Macron, Prime Minister Modi said the relationship between India and France is not based on any selfishness, but on solid ideals of 'Liberty, Equality and Fraternity'. He said India and France will expand cooperation in counter terrorism and security. "Both our countries are constantly facing terrorism. We thank President Macron for the valuable support that France has received in combating cross-border terrorism. We intend to broaden cooperation on security and counter-terrorism," Modi added. He said France and India stand firm together to meet the challenges of climate change, environment, and technology inclusive development. "Together we can pave the way for a safe and prosperous world," Modi said.
In a joint statement issued after the talks, the two leaders reiterated their strong condemnation of terrorism in all its forms and manifestations including cross-border terrorism and terror-related incidents in France and India. "Both leaders reaffirmed that terrorism cannot be justified on any grounds whatsoever and it should not be associated with any religion, creed, nationality and ethnicity," it said.
Recalling the joint statement on terrorism adopted by the two countries in January 2016, the two leaders reaffirmed their strong determination to eliminate terrorism wherever it is to be found and urged the international community to strengthen the efforts to counter and prevent terrorist financing.
"Both the leaders agreed to work for early convening of the Global Conference, proposed by India, to tackle the threat of terrorism around the world," the statement said. They called upon all UN member countries to implement the UNSC Resolution 1267 and other relevant resolutions designating terrorist entities. The leaders also agreed to work together on early adoption of the Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism (CCIT) in the UN.
The two leaders also agreed to enhance their operational cooperation and launch fresh efforts to prevent and fight radicalisation, especially online radicalisation.
Identifying defence industrial cooperation as one of the mainstays of the strategic partnership between India and France, the two leaders reaffirmed their commitment to further strengthen cooperation in this field.
On trade, they decided to further strengthen work on solving trade and investment issues of concern for the French and Indian companies, including by additional ways and mechanisms. They agreed to reactivate the high-level France-India economic and financial dialogue as quickly as possible.
The two leaders expressed satisfaction at the progress in negotiations between NPCIL and EDF since the conclusion of the Industrial Way Forward Agreement between the two parties in 2018 for the construction of six nuclear power reactors in India in Jaitapur, Maharashtra.
The two sides also vowed to deepen their space cooperation so as to meet new challenges together, whether it concerns planetary exploration or human spaceflight, the statement said.
They agreed to significantly enhance people-to-people contacts and cultural exchanges, and expand cooperation in education.
The two countries reaffirmed the importance of fulfilling the commitments under the UNFCCC and the Paris Agreement and also urged all developed countries to scale up their contributions to Green Climate Fund in its first replenishment cycle in line with their commitments.
France and India also agreed that full compliance with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on the Iranian Nuclear Programme and the UN Security Council Resolution 2231 was needed to ensure regional and international peace and security and that current issues need to be resolved peacefully through dialogue, the statement said.
Ahead of the meeting, Macron explained the historic significance of the chateau to Modi and took him around the centuries-old building.
Prime Minister Modi was accorded a red carpet welcome at the airport where he was received by Minister for Europe and Foreign Affairs Jean-Yves Le Drian.
India and Pakistan should resolve the Kashmir issue bilaterally and no third party should "interfere or incite" violence in the region, French President Emmanuel Macron said on Thursday after his marathon one-on-one talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
The two leaders reviewed the entire gamut of the dynamic and multifaceted bilateral relationship during their more than 90-minute long oneon-one meeting at Chateau de Chantilly, one of the finest jewels of French cultural heritage, located about 50 kms north of Paris.
The one-on-one interaction was followed by the delegation-level talks. After the talks, the two countries signed four MoUs.
In a joint press statement after the talks, President Macron said that Prime Minister Modi briefed him about the recent decision taken by India on Jammu and Kashmir and that it is in their sovereignty.
"I told him that India and Pakistan will have to find a solution to the issue and no third party should interfere or incite violence in the region," Macron said. He said that peace should be maintained in the region and peoples' rights should be protected. "I will also speak to Pakistan Prime Minister after a few days and tell him that the talks should be held bilaterally," the French president said.
He also said that France will deliver 1st of the 36 Rafale fighter jets to India next month.
Speaking after Macron, Prime Minister Modi said the relationship between India and France is not based on any selfishness, but on solid ideals of 'Liberty, Equality and Fraternity'. He said India and France will expand cooperation in counter terrorism and security. "Both our countries are constantly facing terrorism. We thank President Macron for the valuable support that France has received in combating cross-border terrorism. We intend to broaden cooperation on security and counter-terrorism," Modi added. He said France and India stand firm together to meet the challenges of climate change, environment, and technology inclusive development. "Together we can pave the way for a safe and prosperous world," Modi said.
In a joint statement issued after the talks, the two leaders reiterated their strong condemnation of terrorism in all its forms and manifestations including cross-border terrorism and terror-related incidents in France and India. "Both leaders reaffirmed that terrorism cannot be justified on any grounds whatsoever and it should not be associated with any religion, creed, nationality and ethnicity," it said.
Recalling the joint statement on terrorism adopted by the two countries in January 2016, the two leaders reaffirmed their strong determination to eliminate terrorism wherever it is to be found and urged the international community to strengthen the efforts to counter and prevent terrorist financing.
"Both the leaders agreed to work for early convening of the Global Conference, proposed by India, to tackle the threat of terrorism around the world," the statement said. They called upon all UN member countries to implement the UNSC Resolution 1267 and other relevant resolutions designating terrorist entities. The leaders also agreed to work together on early adoption of the Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism (CCIT) in the UN.
The two leaders also agreed to enhance their operational cooperation and launch fresh efforts to prevent and fight radicalisation, especially online radicalisation.
Identifying defence industrial cooperation as one of the mainstays of the strategic partnership between India and France, the two leaders reaffirmed their commitment to further strengthen cooperation in this field.
On trade, they decided to further strengthen work on solving trade and investment issues of concern for the French and Indian companies, including by additional ways and mechanisms. They agreed to reactivate the high-level France-India economic and financial dialogue as quickly as possible.
The two leaders expressed satisfaction at the progress in negotiations between NPCIL and EDF since the conclusion of the Industrial Way Forward Agreement between the two parties in 2018 for the construction of six nuclear power reactors in India in Jaitapur, Maharashtra.
The two sides also vowed to deepen their space cooperation so as to meet new challenges together, whether it concerns planetary exploration or human spaceflight, the statement said.
They agreed to significantly enhance people-to-people contacts and cultural exchanges, and expand cooperation in education.
The two countries reaffirmed the importance of fulfilling the commitments under the UNFCCC and the Paris Agreement and also urged all developed countries to scale up their contributions to Green Climate Fund in its first replenishment cycle in line with their commitments.
France and India also agreed that full compliance with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on the Iranian Nuclear Programme and the UN Security Council Resolution 2231 was needed to ensure regional and international peace and security and that current issues need to be resolved peacefully through dialogue, the statement said.
Ahead of the meeting, Macron explained the historic significance of the chateau to Modi and took him around the centuries-old building.
Prime Minister Modi was accorded a red carpet welcome at the airport where he was received by Minister for Europe and Foreign Affairs Jean-Yves Le Drian.
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Old new friends: C. Raja Mohan.
For nearly four decades, successive French presidents — Francois Mitterand in the 1980s, Jacques Chirac from the mid-1990s to the mid-2000s and Nicolas Sarkozy after that — made repeated efforts to elevate the engagement with India to a higher level. If Paris was an eager suitor, Delhi was distracted. Preoccupied with other major powers — US, Russia and China — and burdened by its inherited Anglo-Saxon bias, Delhi could hardly appreciate the pivotal value of France, and more broadly that of Europe, in transforming India’s international position.
The one-sided love affair has begun to change as Prime Minister Narendra Modi paid greater strategic attention to France and Europe in the first term. While many pending issues relating to Europe were sorted out during 2014-19, it was the boosting of ties with France that stood out as an important feature of Modi’s foreign policy in the first term. The PM’s summit with French President Emmanuel Macron this week and participation in the G-7 outreach next week mark the injection of some real content into the bilateral strategic partnership that was unveiled more than two decades ago in 1998.
The Modi-Macron bromance could not have come at a more critical time for the two countries. The relative harmony between the major powers witnessed after the Cold War is now becoming a distant memory. The growing tensions between the US on the one hand and China and Russia on the other are roiling the international waters. Meanwhile, thanks to Donald Trump, the cracks in the political West are widening.
As they come to terms with the breakdown of the post-War order, India and France recognise the urgency of constructing coalitions that can provide a measure of stability in an increasingly unstable world. France, which had sought strategic autonomy within the framework of its alliance with the US, and India, which has valued independent foreign policy, are natural partners in building the new coalitions for an uncertain era.
The rapid rise of China — and the expanding gap in the national power indices in favour of Beijing — have altered the balance of power in India’s neighbourhood. During the Cold War, India had turned to the Soviet Union to ensure a stable regional balance.
In the last few years, Russia has been drawing steadily closer to China. This movement is not defined by any problem between Moscow and Delhi, but Russia’s larger global calculus. That Russia has a broader and deeper economic and political relationship with China means the new entente between Moscow and Beijing can only make it harder for Delhi to rely on the former to balance the latter.
After the turbulent 1990s when Delhi and Washington argued over non-proliferation and Kashmir, the two sides settled into a period of stable and expanding partnership under the presidencies of George Bush and Barack Obama lasting from 2001-2017. The arrival of Donald Trump in the White House in early 2017, amidst an unexpected turn in American domestic politics, has begun to produce complications for India on a range of issues — from bilateral trade to regional and global affairs.
Trump was, by no means, trying to target India in particular. Delhi has been affected by sweeping changes in the foreign, economic and national security policies unleashed by Trump. He has turned hostile to the WTO and walked away from many multilateral arrangements. He has spewed venom on long-standing US allies for being a burden on the American exchequer. As he withdraws from some of the conflict zones, Trump insists that America’s allies and friends do more for their own security. His recent call on India to join the fight against Islamic State in Afghanistan is part of that belief system.
Whether these new emphases will survive the Trump presidency or not, they have unnerved most of America’s partners in Europe and Asia. For many nations, including India and France, coping with the muscular assertiveness of China, the resurgence of Russia and the retrenchment of America become the central challenge of their foreign and security policies.
As they look for options in a world where the old political certitudes look shaky, India and France see that strengthening bilateral cooperation and building coalitions with like-minded countries is critical for the protection of their long term interests. The new imperatives driving India and France have manifested themselves in a five-fold agenda for Modi and Macron.
First, enhancing bilateral cooperation in strategic sectors. France has always been an important partner in the development of advanced technologies. This is set to advance further with the consolidation of civil nuclear cooperation and enhancing space cooperation. The summit this week saw the placing of artificial intelligence and the unfolding digital revolution at the top of the bilateral agenda. Second, the new commitment to go beyond the buyer-seller relationship in the field of weapons procurement. When India comes up with clear policies for making arms in India, the synergies between India’s large defence market and the French strengths in armament production would come into full play.
Third, political cooperation between India and France is relatively new; it began with French support for India in limiting international sanctions on Delhi after its 1998 nuclear tests. Today, France has emerged as India’s most reliable partner on issues relating to terrorism and Kashmir.
Fourth, the relationship between India and France has gone beyond the bilateral to focus on the regional. Modi and Macron this week have agreed to intensify maritime and naval cooperation in the Indian Ocean and more broadly the Indo-Pacific. There is a sweeping and ambitious ocean agenda awaiting the two countries — from maritime governance to oceanographic research and from interoperability between their armed forces to capacity building in the littoral.
Finally, it is the prospect of global agenda-setting that is beginning to make the India-France strategic partnership very exciting. After their joint efforts to limit climate change and develop the Solar Alliance, India and France have turned to more ambitious ideas. The road map on cybersecurity and digital technology issued by Modi and Macron this week provides the framework for long-term cooperation on a set of issues, whose weight is growing by the day.
France also opens the pathway for deeper engagement with Europe on global issues. Since independence, India has experimented with different institutions — including the NAM and BRICS — to shape global norms. The new partnerships with France, Germany and other like-minded countries like Japan would hopefully turn out to be far more consequential for India’s influence on the global stage.
For nearly four decades, successive French presidents — Francois Mitterand in the 1980s, Jacques Chirac from the mid-1990s to the mid-2000s and Nicolas Sarkozy after that — made repeated efforts to elevate the engagement with India to a higher level. If Paris was an eager suitor, Delhi was distracted. Preoccupied with other major powers — US, Russia and China — and burdened by its inherited Anglo-Saxon bias, Delhi could hardly appreciate the pivotal value of France, and more broadly that of Europe, in transforming India’s international position.
The one-sided love affair has begun to change as Prime Minister Narendra Modi paid greater strategic attention to France and Europe in the first term. While many pending issues relating to Europe were sorted out during 2014-19, it was the boosting of ties with France that stood out as an important feature of Modi’s foreign policy in the first term. The PM’s summit with French President Emmanuel Macron this week and participation in the G-7 outreach next week mark the injection of some real content into the bilateral strategic partnership that was unveiled more than two decades ago in 1998.
The Modi-Macron bromance could not have come at a more critical time for the two countries. The relative harmony between the major powers witnessed after the Cold War is now becoming a distant memory. The growing tensions between the US on the one hand and China and Russia on the other are roiling the international waters. Meanwhile, thanks to Donald Trump, the cracks in the political West are widening.
As they come to terms with the breakdown of the post-War order, India and France recognise the urgency of constructing coalitions that can provide a measure of stability in an increasingly unstable world. France, which had sought strategic autonomy within the framework of its alliance with the US, and India, which has valued independent foreign policy, are natural partners in building the new coalitions for an uncertain era.
The rapid rise of China — and the expanding gap in the national power indices in favour of Beijing — have altered the balance of power in India’s neighbourhood. During the Cold War, India had turned to the Soviet Union to ensure a stable regional balance.
In the last few years, Russia has been drawing steadily closer to China. This movement is not defined by any problem between Moscow and Delhi, but Russia’s larger global calculus. That Russia has a broader and deeper economic and political relationship with China means the new entente between Moscow and Beijing can only make it harder for Delhi to rely on the former to balance the latter.
After the turbulent 1990s when Delhi and Washington argued over non-proliferation and Kashmir, the two sides settled into a period of stable and expanding partnership under the presidencies of George Bush and Barack Obama lasting from 2001-2017. The arrival of Donald Trump in the White House in early 2017, amidst an unexpected turn in American domestic politics, has begun to produce complications for India on a range of issues — from bilateral trade to regional and global affairs.
Trump was, by no means, trying to target India in particular. Delhi has been affected by sweeping changes in the foreign, economic and national security policies unleashed by Trump. He has turned hostile to the WTO and walked away from many multilateral arrangements. He has spewed venom on long-standing US allies for being a burden on the American exchequer. As he withdraws from some of the conflict zones, Trump insists that America’s allies and friends do more for their own security. His recent call on India to join the fight against Islamic State in Afghanistan is part of that belief system.
Whether these new emphases will survive the Trump presidency or not, they have unnerved most of America’s partners in Europe and Asia. For many nations, including India and France, coping with the muscular assertiveness of China, the resurgence of Russia and the retrenchment of America become the central challenge of their foreign and security policies.
As they look for options in a world where the old political certitudes look shaky, India and France see that strengthening bilateral cooperation and building coalitions with like-minded countries is critical for the protection of their long term interests. The new imperatives driving India and France have manifested themselves in a five-fold agenda for Modi and Macron.
First, enhancing bilateral cooperation in strategic sectors. France has always been an important partner in the development of advanced technologies. This is set to advance further with the consolidation of civil nuclear cooperation and enhancing space cooperation. The summit this week saw the placing of artificial intelligence and the unfolding digital revolution at the top of the bilateral agenda. Second, the new commitment to go beyond the buyer-seller relationship in the field of weapons procurement. When India comes up with clear policies for making arms in India, the synergies between India’s large defence market and the French strengths in armament production would come into full play.
Third, political cooperation between India and France is relatively new; it began with French support for India in limiting international sanctions on Delhi after its 1998 nuclear tests. Today, France has emerged as India’s most reliable partner on issues relating to terrorism and Kashmir.
Fourth, the relationship between India and France has gone beyond the bilateral to focus on the regional. Modi and Macron this week have agreed to intensify maritime and naval cooperation in the Indian Ocean and more broadly the Indo-Pacific. There is a sweeping and ambitious ocean agenda awaiting the two countries — from maritime governance to oceanographic research and from interoperability between their armed forces to capacity building in the littoral.
Finally, it is the prospect of global agenda-setting that is beginning to make the India-France strategic partnership very exciting. After their joint efforts to limit climate change and develop the Solar Alliance, India and France have turned to more ambitious ideas. The road map on cybersecurity and digital technology issued by Modi and Macron this week provides the framework for long-term cooperation on a set of issues, whose weight is growing by the day.
France also opens the pathway for deeper engagement with Europe on global issues. Since independence, India has experimented with different institutions — including the NAM and BRICS — to shape global norms. The new partnerships with France, Germany and other like-minded countries like Japan would hopefully turn out to be far more consequential for India’s influence on the global stage.
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FWIW ...
https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 4026041344
https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 4026041344
अर्ध-सन्यासी (Half Hermit) @bababanaras
Guys want to share one more progress about arms deal with France. Both governments are principally agreed and we are about to buy 114 more Rafael jets to fulfill requirements of our airforce. Few technical points are there but we r hoping the same will be solve by end of 2019.
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If true, For this big order to be confirmed France would have to offer something very substantial as a quid pro quo.
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Vips wrote:If true, For this big order to be confirmed France would have to offer something very substantial as a quid pro quo.
I disagree. france does not have to offer anything substantial. any leverage that india had at the negotiating table ended when it ordered 36 planes. india is now semi stuck in a dassault ecosystem consisting of physical infra at airbases, aircraft specific pilot training , missiles,investment in personnel that will maintain the aircraft and spare parts. fact of matter is IAF does not have any choice but to order more fighters from france because no other option exists. F-21 is single engine aircraft and cannot perform the same role as raf can, SU-30 MKI has lower fly away cost but higher opex cost and lower per day sortie rate. the only other option are eurofighter and f-18 and no sane airforce will buy both raf and euro fighter/f-18 to perform the same role.
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pankajs wrote:FWIW ...
https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 4026041344अर्ध-सन्यासी (Half Hermit) @bababanaras
Guys want to share one more progress about arms deal with France. Both governments are principally agreed and we are about to buy 114 more Rafael jets to fulfill requirements of our airforce. Few technical points are there but we r hoping the same will be solve by end of 2019.
Dont know if it's true but if it is, it might very well be a response to DT trying to play negotiator.
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VikramA wrote:Vips wrote:If true, For this big order to be confirmed France would have to offer something very substantial as a quid pro quo.
I disagree. france does not have to offer anything substantial. any leverage that india had at the negotiating table ended when it ordered 36 planes. india is now semi stuck in a dassault ecosystem consisting of physical infra at airbases, aircraft specific pilot training , missiles,investment in personnel that will maintain the aircraft and spare parts. fact of matter is IAF does not have any choice but to order more fighters from france because no other option exists. F-21 is single engine aircraft and cannot perform the same role as raf can, SU-30 MKI has lower fly away cost but higher opex cost and lower per day sortie rate. the only other option are eurofighter and f-18 and no sane airforce will buy both raf and euro fighter/f-18 to perform the same role.
Both India & France have an incentive to be reasonable here. Both sides want India to operate more than 36 Rafale’s. I am sure they will find a way to make the numbers work & make a deal.
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While India is bound to order more Rafales, the number of planes would depend on what else France is going to offer. A staunch veto on behalf of India at UNSC plus some.other carrots would be expected.
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khan wrote:VikramA wrote:I disagree. france does not have to offer anything substantial. any leverage that india had at the negotiating table ended when it ordered 36 planes. india is now semi stuck in a dassault ecosystem consisting of physical infra at airbases, aircraft specific pilot training , missiles,investment in personnel that will maintain the aircraft and spare parts. fact of matter is IAF does not have any choice but to order more fighters from france because no other option exists. F-21 is single engine aircraft and cannot perform the same role as raf can, SU-30 MKI has lower fly away cost but higher opex cost and lower per day sortie rate. the only other option are eurofighter and f-18 and no sane airforce will buy both raf and euro fighter/f-18 to perform the same role.
Both India & France have an incentive to be reasonable here. Both sides want India to operate more than 36 Rafale’s. I am sure they will find a way to make the numbers work & make a deal.
Yes India can very well stop at 72 and go for additional SU30 MKI's.The French would know that there is possible business beyond 114 warbirds wit naval order for 57 jets too.
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schinnas wrote:While India is bound to order more Rafales, the number of planes would depend on what else France is going to offer. A staunch veto on behalf of India at UNSC plus some.other carrots would be expected.
This is very important.Within the next 5 years Russia for sure would not be able to guarantee a veto for us as it would be totally under China's ambit. Uncle Sam's policy would be subject too who exactly is in the White House and someone like Trump cannot be trusted. Same goes for its puddle UK. The only game remaining is France and we have to go all out in cultivating a robust strategic relationship with them.(Even if it means paying insane $$ for the French stuff as we are without options).
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Vips wrote:schinnas wrote:While India is bound to order more Rafales, the number of planes would depend on what else France is going to offer. A staunch veto on behalf of India at UNSC plus some.other carrots would be expected.
This is very important.Within the next 5 years Russia for sure would not be able to guarantee a veto for us as it would be totally under China's ambit. Uncle Sam's policy would be subject too who exactly is in the White House and someone like Trump cannot be trusted. Same goes for its puddle UK. The only game remaining is France and we have to go all out in cultivating a robust strategic relationship with them.(Even if it means paying insane $$ for the French stuff as we are without options).
Seriously ? India should not be spending "insane $$" without any meanigful sharing of tech , lets just say France needs India and India has shared interests with them
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In five years India won't need any veto cover in the UN or any other place.
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sanjaykumar wrote:In five years India won't need any veto cover in the UN or any other place.
Interesting. I am not necessarily disagreeing with you here, but I am curious to know what exactly you mean.
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There are a number of indicators:
Projected $4-5 trillion economy
Economy in top four world economies
Massive domestic spending on infrastructure including roads, airports,energy, railways, ports, hospitals, digital infrastructure-all requiring investments
Political stability
Regional troublemaker emasculated-no contest victory
Technological competence-space to nuclear submarines
Aslo US and the west generally in need of a powerful ally
Middle East in need of buyer for oil and investment destination
No objection certificate to be issued liberally by China as Indian purchasing power multiplies-for UNSC, transfer of Gilgit Baltistan etc They do not want US/India opening up the Tibet issue
Projected $4-5 trillion economy
Economy in top four world economies
Massive domestic spending on infrastructure including roads, airports,energy, railways, ports, hospitals, digital infrastructure-all requiring investments
Political stability
Regional troublemaker emasculated-no contest victory
Technological competence-space to nuclear submarines
Aslo US and the west generally in need of a powerful ally
Middle East in need of buyer for oil and investment destination
No objection certificate to be issued liberally by China as Indian purchasing power multiplies-for UNSC, transfer of Gilgit Baltistan etc They do not want US/India opening up the Tibet issue
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Interesting snippets of the G7 leaders.
Here Modi is posing with for a photograph with Macron and his wife and then greeting Angela Merkel and then the group photo:
and here Modi is getting down for a bilateral meeting with Boris Johnson. Interesting that Johnson greets almost all the senior aides to Modi at this meeting, beginning with Doval:
Here Modi is posing with for a photograph with Macron and his wife and then greeting Angela Merkel and then the group photo:
and here Modi is getting down for a bilateral meeting with Boris Johnson. Interesting that Johnson greets almost all the senior aides to Modi at this meeting, beginning with Doval:
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India, France to hold talks on defence buys today.
Within a week of the Modi-Macron summit, India and France will hold a strategic dialogue to talk acquisition and development of defence
equipment. NSA Ajit Doval will host his counterpart, Emmanuel Bonne in New Delhi on Thursday to take forward the decisions taken at the August
22 summit.
According to officials, on the table for the high-level discussion would be the next order for fighter aircraft, among other defence equipment.
France is keen to pick up another order of Rafale fighter jets after the first 36 are ready to be delivered. These would be on international bidding.
The US also wants to hawk its F-21 aircraft, while Sweden is hoping to sell its Gripen.
Defence minister Rajnath Singh will be here in September for the hand over of the first Rafale. Indian pilots will be trained in France so it may be a while before the jet makes its way to India.
Of much greater significance and far more ambitious is a new India-France project to co-develop and co-build a next generation jet engine for use by India. The lead French defence company in the reckoning here is Safran. There is little clarity on how this will be developed in India, including agencies and companies to be involved. What is clear is that the project has been nicknamed INFRA. Modi may have been hinting at this when he said after his meeting with Macron here that India and France were building INFRA in several sectors.
If it happens, this would be momentous — there aren’t that many companies in the world that can build jet engines. If India does achieve the feat, it would go a long way in giving the country autonomy in defence purchases.
It is rumoured that the outgoing French ambassador to India, Alexander Ziegler may be joining Safran, making negotiations much less problematic. This kind of movement is fairly common among envoys who have served in India where they get get snapped up by the private sector to help navigate the opaque Indian system.
Doval has been the point-person in the Modi government to lead the discussion on defence acquisitions. The government's decision to set up the chief of defence staff, officials say, will go a long way to easing friction between the services both on inter-operability as well as streamlining acquisitions. Doval met with Bonne in Osaka on the sidelines of the G-20. The decision by both governments to hold a strategic dialogue so soon after a summit is a sign of the urgency which is invested in these decisions.
In addition, France is keen to add more Scorpene submarines to India’s inventory. Government officials here suggested these could be part of India's P-75 line of submarines which have been an on-again-off-again project for years (DDM). This time however the French are keen to make them in India --- the Indian government is keen to involve both public and private sector shipyards for these.
France is also keen to sell about 18 Caracal helicopters for the Indian Coast Guard, as well as almost 100 heavy “Panther” helicopters for the Indian Navy, both to be made by French company Airbus.
Within a week of the Modi-Macron summit, India and France will hold a strategic dialogue to talk acquisition and development of defence
equipment. NSA Ajit Doval will host his counterpart, Emmanuel Bonne in New Delhi on Thursday to take forward the decisions taken at the August
22 summit.
According to officials, on the table for the high-level discussion would be the next order for fighter aircraft, among other defence equipment.
France is keen to pick up another order of Rafale fighter jets after the first 36 are ready to be delivered. These would be on international bidding.
The US also wants to hawk its F-21 aircraft, while Sweden is hoping to sell its Gripen.
Defence minister Rajnath Singh will be here in September for the hand over of the first Rafale. Indian pilots will be trained in France so it may be a while before the jet makes its way to India.
Of much greater significance and far more ambitious is a new India-France project to co-develop and co-build a next generation jet engine for use by India. The lead French defence company in the reckoning here is Safran. There is little clarity on how this will be developed in India, including agencies and companies to be involved. What is clear is that the project has been nicknamed INFRA. Modi may have been hinting at this when he said after his meeting with Macron here that India and France were building INFRA in several sectors.
If it happens, this would be momentous — there aren’t that many companies in the world that can build jet engines. If India does achieve the feat, it would go a long way in giving the country autonomy in defence purchases.
It is rumoured that the outgoing French ambassador to India, Alexander Ziegler may be joining Safran, making negotiations much less problematic. This kind of movement is fairly common among envoys who have served in India where they get get snapped up by the private sector to help navigate the opaque Indian system.
Doval has been the point-person in the Modi government to lead the discussion on defence acquisitions. The government's decision to set up the chief of defence staff, officials say, will go a long way to easing friction between the services both on inter-operability as well as streamlining acquisitions. Doval met with Bonne in Osaka on the sidelines of the G-20. The decision by both governments to hold a strategic dialogue so soon after a summit is a sign of the urgency which is invested in these decisions.
In addition, France is keen to add more Scorpene submarines to India’s inventory. Government officials here suggested these could be part of India's P-75 line of submarines which have been an on-again-off-again project for years (DDM). This time however the French are keen to make them in India --- the Indian government is keen to involve both public and private sector shipyards for these.
France is also keen to sell about 18 Caracal helicopters for the Indian Coast Guard, as well as almost 100 heavy “Panther” helicopters for the Indian Navy, both to be made by French company Airbus.
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Re: India-France news
Vips wrote:schinnas wrote:While India is bound to order more Rafales, the number of planes would depend on what else France is going to offer. A staunch veto on behalf of India at UNSC plus some.other carrots would be expected.
This is very important.Within the next 5 years Russia for sure would not be able to guarantee a veto for us as it would be totally under China's ambit. Uncle Sam's policy would be subject too who exactly is in the White House and someone like Trump cannot be trusted. Same goes for its puddle UK. The only game remaining is France and we have to go all out in cultivating a robust strategic relationship with them.(Even if it means paying insane $$ for the French stuff as we are without options).
What exactly UNSC seat gives us as a benefit other than entry to prestigious golf club ? I would rather spend that money in my country to build infrastructure and make people lives better
Re: India-France news
If there is no indication of the UN being replaced like league of nations or made more inclusive then i would want India to be a member of the prestigious golf club. We may build all the infrastructure in the world and become like Germany or Japan but compared to China what is it stature? A veto wielding membership is the prerequisite for vacating any likely anti- india moves in the future which no amount of strategic relations with other countries can guarantee.
Re: India-France news
Vips wrote:schinnas wrote:While India is bound to order more Rafales, the number of planes would depend on what else France is going to offer. A staunch veto on behalf of India at UNSC plus some.other carrots would be expected.
This is very important.Within the next 5 years Russia for sure would not be able to guarantee a veto for us as it would be totally under China's ambit. Uncle Sam's policy would be subject too who exactly is in the White House and someone like Trump cannot be trusted. Same goes for its puddle UK. The only game remaining is France and we have to go all out in cultivating a robust strategic relationship with them.(Even if it means paying insane $$ for the French stuff as we are without options).
What if there is no veto. What possibly can the Security Council gang do against India other than pass hot air?
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French whiteness is in crisis
Why did Lilian Thuram's matter-of-fact analysis about white supremacy cause a storm of controversy in France ?
Race is a taboo subject in France, which claims to be "a colourblind country". Therefore, a large portion of white people in France are not used to having frank conversations about race and racism. When they are forced to talk about the subject, they expertly move the focus of the discussion from racism itself to the hurt they feel when a black person dares to mention the existence and pervasiveness of white supremacy in France and beyond.
They insist "they do not see colour", they say "they are against all forms of discrimination", they accuse people of colour of "playing the race card". They cannot see white supremacy is at the core of their country's social structure because they have been raised to believe "white" is the norm, not an identity. The accusations of anti-white racism directed at the likes of Thuram, therefore, are little more than a coping mechanism. People who refuse to acknowledge their privilege and the role they play in the perseverance of a system built on white supremacy instead play the victim.
There is, of course, no such thing as anti-white racism. There cannot be anti-white racism in a white-majority European country like France, because racism cannot be reduced to the sum of isolated acts. What black people experience today in France is the result of a history of domination that started with slavery and colonialism. Black people in France exist in a system that was built long ago to oppress, silence and intimidate us. We experience institutional discrimination that influences our everyday lives in various ways – from healthcare to education, housing to police brutality.
In this system, a white person can, of course, still be exposed to hate, they can be bullied or even assaulted - and such incidents should be condemned - but they can never claim to be systematically oppressed because of their race. Being white is not a social or political handicap but a privilege in France. So, the systemic and institutional racism minorities in France are subject to can never be compared with the abuse or discrimination any white person experiences as an individual.
Today, French whiteness is in crisis. It is in crisis because minorities in France are finally in a position to voice their concerns and grievances in the mainstream and they are pressuring the country to have an honest and open conversation about race.
The toxic ideas of the likes of Marechal and Zemmour about the so-called "anti-white racism" and "the war on white people" are now resonating with white people across the political spectrum, because they are afraid to face their privilage and acknowledge that their dominant position in society is the result of centuries-old injustices. They are afraid to accept that "white" is an identity just like "brown" and "black" and not the universal "self" every single "other" is defined against.
Lilian Thuram became a target not because he said anything wrong or new, but because he touched a nerve. I suspect many more anti-racism activists are going to experience similar bursts of outrage in the near future. But one day, French society is going to run out of excuses to avoid having a real discussion about race. We are going to stop talking about made-up problems like anti-white racism and instead tackle the real issues that are dividing and crippling our nation. The panic that currently follows any minor comment on race and white supremacy makes me believe that the day of reckoning is now very near.
Re: India-France news
French President announces 3-pronged security partnership with India for Southern Indian Ocean.
French President Emmanuel Macron announced a three-pronged security partnership with India in the southern Indian Ocean in the backdrop of China’s growing ambitions in the region. Macron stated that India and France were sharing the analysis of joint maritime security in the southern Indian Ocean, working on a joint maritime surveillance in the region and looking at possible deployment of an Indian Navy maritime patrol vessel in Reunion Island from the first quarter of 2020.
In an indirect reference to China’s designs on the western and southern Indian Ocean Region, the French President said in his speech, “We must protect the Great Indo-Pacific space for no hegemony to reign. A security presence in the region is essential for building this freedom in sovereignty and for establishing a common agenda.”
“Together with India, we have been working with PM Modi on a shared ocean vision and strengthened our operational cooperation for stability and security in the region....It's an unprecedented movement, a very profound change. A few years ago we had never planned to engage with our Indian friends here in the same way as the operations we did recently. This is the reality of this strategic agenda that we share,” he said.
Macron said, “This common security agenda in the region is an agenda of maritime surveillance, protection of our marine areas, construction of a joint agenda to avoid any form of hegemony or intrusion and it is noted that the France is the 2nd largest maritime power in the world.”
The French President’s comments came at the event where ministers of India, France and Vanilla Islands (Comoros, Madagascar, Mauritius and Seychelles in the western Indian Ocean) met to explore economic and development partnership. India was represented by the minister of state for external affairs V Muraleedharan at the first such ministerial meet.
India, in partnership with France, is keen to focus on port development, blue economy, trade, connectivity, tourism, skill development, hospitality and healthcare in this resource-rich region, said people aware of the matter. India is also eyeing gas deposits in the Mozambique Channel near Vanilla Islands.
The joint statement issued after Modi’s meeting with Macron on August 22 had indicated enhancement in the Indo-French partnership in the western Indian Ocean.
“Based on a shared commitment to maintaining the freedom of navigation, particularly in the Indo-Pacific zone, maritime security cooperation between France and India is a domain of excellence in their strategic partnership,” said the joint statement. surveillance in the region and looking at possible deployment of an Indian Navy maritime patrol vessel in Reunion Island from the first quarter of 2020.
French President Emmanuel Macron announced a three-pronged security partnership with India in the southern Indian Ocean in the backdrop of China’s growing ambitions in the region. Macron stated that India and France were sharing the analysis of joint maritime security in the southern Indian Ocean, working on a joint maritime surveillance in the region and looking at possible deployment of an Indian Navy maritime patrol vessel in Reunion Island from the first quarter of 2020.
In an indirect reference to China’s designs on the western and southern Indian Ocean Region, the French President said in his speech, “We must protect the Great Indo-Pacific space for no hegemony to reign. A security presence in the region is essential for building this freedom in sovereignty and for establishing a common agenda.”
“Together with India, we have been working with PM Modi on a shared ocean vision and strengthened our operational cooperation for stability and security in the region....It's an unprecedented movement, a very profound change. A few years ago we had never planned to engage with our Indian friends here in the same way as the operations we did recently. This is the reality of this strategic agenda that we share,” he said.
Macron said, “This common security agenda in the region is an agenda of maritime surveillance, protection of our marine areas, construction of a joint agenda to avoid any form of hegemony or intrusion and it is noted that the France is the 2nd largest maritime power in the world.”
The French President’s comments came at the event where ministers of India, France and Vanilla Islands (Comoros, Madagascar, Mauritius and Seychelles in the western Indian Ocean) met to explore economic and development partnership. India was represented by the minister of state for external affairs V Muraleedharan at the first such ministerial meet.
India, in partnership with France, is keen to focus on port development, blue economy, trade, connectivity, tourism, skill development, hospitality and healthcare in this resource-rich region, said people aware of the matter. India is also eyeing gas deposits in the Mozambique Channel near Vanilla Islands.
The joint statement issued after Modi’s meeting with Macron on August 22 had indicated enhancement in the Indo-French partnership in the western Indian Ocean.
“Based on a shared commitment to maintaining the freedom of navigation, particularly in the Indo-Pacific zone, maritime security cooperation between France and India is a domain of excellence in their strategic partnership,” said the joint statement. surveillance in the region and looking at possible deployment of an Indian Navy maritime patrol vessel in Reunion Island from the first quarter of 2020.
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