Terroristan - May 1, 2019

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 31 Aug 2019 17:10

A_Gupta wrote:Towel-throwing in progress by Najam Sethi
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/national-government/


I have wondered often about how TFT is allowed to be published while Sethi and Murtuza Solangi etc who write in it are banned and banished from the airwaves and public life (Sethi seems to be banished to Londonistan currently). Just does not make sense given the critical (of the establishment) tone. My guess is Pa^istan is so far gone (literacy and development wise) that people who can read such a journal are so few and far between, and so inconsequential, that the establishment can't be bothered to take them down.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 31 Aug 2019 17:19

williams wrote:
VikramA wrote:^^^ yep looks like grounds are being prepared for a coup. looks like paki corn flakes army have goten a hint that they might get black listed in FATF in oct and they plan to throw immi the dim under the bus ,but it is real funny to see ghazwa-hind has turned into fighting a people's war inside pakistan :rotfl:


I thought immi is the perfect puppet of Paki fauj. Why do you need a coup? They will loose all credibility


Dimmy is the perfect puppet as long as people blame him and not the fauj. Once people's anger turns towards the fauj (for selecting him, and cowardly inaction on Kashmir) as is beginning to happen now, he has outlived his utility and they might look to replace him. Zaid Hamid and other nutjobs were already peddling the narrative that the brave phauj was about to cross the LOC to fight India but are being held back/waiting for the command from Dimmy and hence Dimmy is the problem. :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 31 Aug 2019 19:07

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/ ... 5021839367
Watch Miandad for some entertainment :rotfl:
It looks like there is no force in the world that can stop Pa^is from making a laughingstock out of themselves.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby M_Joshi » 31 Aug 2019 20:03

nandakumar wrote:
Bart S wrote:
Why don't you click the link, genius, and advise if copy pasting that article in text format without the dozens of embedded screenshots makes sense :roll:

Not to mention the risk of BRF being proceeded against for violation of copyright laws in dozen jurisdictions.


Could also be spam/phishing. Would've been better if OP at least provided the headline of the linked article. Posting same article link in 3 threads in bold, without heading of the article & one poster mentioning that the link is broken, only made me feel it's spam/phishing.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby yensoy » 31 Aug 2019 20:15

williams wrote:
VikramA wrote:^^^ yep looks like grounds are being prepared for a coup. looks like paki corn flakes army have goten a hint that they might get black listed in FATF in oct and they plan to throw immi the dim under the bus ,but it is real funny to see ghazwa-hind has turned into fighting a people's war inside pakistan :rotfl:


I thought immi is the perfect puppet of Paki fauj. Why do you need a coup? They will loose all credibility


Not to speak of the ramifications of Shri Kerry & Shri Lugar.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Anujan » 31 Aug 2019 20:19

Dangerous times for India and Pakistan. Remember that '99 coup happened because Badmash tried to shift the blame for Kargil fiasco on the army (from civvies) and tried to get rid of bandicoot.

Imran was clever giving out an extension immediately to signal he is not going to try to shift the blame to Bajwa. Now Bajwa cannot appear weak to his his own crore kammandus and to the country. Otherwise what's the point of political management and extensions? They've always been justified in the national interest. Bajwa probably is feeling intense pressure to do something.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby habal » 31 Aug 2019 20:59

This is the opportunity to make pak army lose face, India for so long has always dithered from this idea. Make them lose face in front of their people and they will go back to their barracks for a decade. Game changer is always making army lose face consistently and publically. Then they will make a mistake in attempt to regain honor and dignity and use that opportunity to flog them so hard they start to re-organise or demoralize.

Ayub Khan strategy actually works with the pakjabis.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby chetak » 31 Aug 2019 22:08

Anujan wrote:Dangerous times for India and Pakistan. Remember that '99 coup happened because Badmash tried to shift the blame for Kargil fiasco on the army (from civvies) and tried to get rid of bandicoot.

Imran was clever giving out an extension immediately to signal he is not going to try to shift the blame to Bajwa. Now Bajwa cannot appear weak to his his own crore kammandus and to the country. Otherwise what's the point of political management and extensions? They've always been justified in the national interest. Bajwa probably is feeling intense pressure to do something.


the pressure is entirely on bajwa.

neutered imran niazi only has cricket b@!!$ as every paki already knows.

Only bajwa can actually act and in doing so commit harakiri on both fronts with completely unpredictable trump and Modi waiting for him to slip up.

Actually bajwa has five major issues to deal with urgently: trump+afpak, Modi+cashmere, the disgruntled and now looming large crore kammandus, the shylockian xi (the relentless and revengeful moneylender) and finally the FATF blacklist.

im the dim is just a facade, the mukhota that the paki army has donned to create mayhem in India and have their way in afghanistan.

one wouldn't at all be surprised if the amerikis have gamed this with Modi to ease their way out of the afghan mess.

trump is in a hurry with his re election bid coming up fast and India has enough time to play a really long waiting game. The hans will be getting really antsy about their CPEC "investments" if the pakis show signs of flushing themselves down the toilet and they would not appreciate an entirely new dispensation coming onboard to take over the sinking and stinking mess of a country.

gaffooora has no way to spin them out of this death grip which is why both qureshi and niazi have "offered" "conditional" talks hoping that Modi and trump will ease the pressure on bajwa.

niazi is looking at probable exile when he is scapegoated and bajwa, like musharraf, may be gulf bound and even his cheeni pals will be loath to bail him out.

The ordinary people are already drowning in the misery created by imran niazi and his naya pakistan rhetoric and I suspect that a vast majority of the pakis do not want war and may actually be relieved that India has finally moved on cashmere.

prices are sky high, there is a shortage of almost everything that the common paki needs and they now are sure that their "friends" in the gulf may not actually help in a practical way to ease their difficulties.

If things get tough for the bajwa gang, they will symbolically halal niazi publicly, the saudis will, of course, "offer" exile and the crore kammandus will probably bring in qureshi as the stop gap while they regroup.

and then, inevitably, in what seems like a national pass time for the pakis, they will simply stagger on to their next disaster.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Vips » 01 Sep 2019 01:51

Pakistan's dream of taking the Kashmir case to the ICJ . :lol:

Khawar Qureshi (the British Pakistani Q C who wore the the funny wig at the Kulbushan yadav case in ICJ) is featured in the interview as an expert who for a change and unlike for a pakistani is talking realistically and wants pakistan to talk with India.Says there is no other solution.

Moeed Pirzada looks constipated and is trying very desperately to find various means/hypothesis/news reports/cases to establish if a case of Genocide can be established against India, but Ya allah no love from ICJ or UN :rotfl:



Jeehard Jeehard :D

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 01 Sep 2019 06:37

https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... s-5945004/
Explained: What will happen if Pakistan closes its airspace to India again?
Indian fliers and carriers will be hit, but the blow for Pakistan itself could be devastating

New Delhi, August 28, 2019
About a month and a half after opening its airspace to all civilian traffic, Pakistan has threatened to close it again to flights taking off from India, apparently to punish New Delhi for removing the special status of Jammu and Kashmir. Fawad Chaudhry, a Minister considered close to Imran Khan, posted on Twitter Tuesday that the Prime Minister “is considering a complete closure of airspace to India” among other steps.
Pakistan had closed its airspace on February 26 after Indian Air Force warjets hit a terrorist camp in Balakot, and opened up to all civilian aircraft only on July 16. Based on what happened during the four and a half months that Pakistan closed its airspace, this is how flying out of India might be impacted, should Imran Khan decide to go ahead with his threat.
Longer flights
Flight times for aircraft to and from India that normally use Pakistani airspace for transit are likely to increase by at least 70-80 minutes on average.
There are 11 air routes over Pakistan’s territory. On the earlier occasion, Pakistan had initially closed its entire airspace and then, from March onward, opened it partially. If Pakistan were to shut down its airspace again, westbound flights taking off from airports in northern India, such as Delhi, Lucknow, Jaipur, Chandigarh, and Amritsar, will be worst affected. These flights will have to fly south towards Gujarat or Maharashtra, and then turn right over the Arabian Sea on their way to destinations in Europe, North America, or West Asia.
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Impact on Pakistan
But more than anyone else, it is Pakistan itself that will suffer. The last time it shut its airspace, the Pakistani Civil Aviation Authority took a blow of almost $50 million in revenue. This is a sum that Pakistan can hardly afford, given the precarious state of its economy.
Its fiscal deficit was 8.9% of gross domestic product in the year ended June, compared with 6.6% a year earlier, Bloomberg reported Tuesday, quoting provisional numbers released by the Pakistani Finance Ministry. The deficit is now at its highest in nearly three decades, the report said.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

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https://twitter.com/AWGoraya/status/116 ... 13120?s=20
Police arrests a drug dealer in Muzaffarabad, Kashmir. Army men in uniforms attack police. Get drug dealer released.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SSridhar » 01 Sep 2019 19:33

Bajwa has the ears of the Chinese. Remember that he once conducted a(n) (unauthorized) cabinet meeting on CPEC when Nawaz Sharif was away? After the latest extension, China congratulated Bajwa calling him an 'old friend' and praising his 'robust contributions' to China-Pak relationship, an unheard of thing. When PLA Commander recently met Bajwa, the latter assured him the security of CPEC. At other meetings too with visiting Chinese delegations, Bajwa never failed to assure the Chinese of the security of CPEC.

Bajwa's appointment & extension have direct Chinese influence, IMHO.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 01 Sep 2019 20:11

Who says India does not / will not talk to Bakistan? This round was proposed by India IIRC. :rotfl:

https://twitter.com/dna/status/1168118608687292416
DNA @dna

Kartarpur Corridor: India, Pakistan to hold another round of talks on Sept 4, report @sidhant & @AnasMallick

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Vivek K » 01 Sep 2019 21:07

Why doesn’t India take up Pakistani genocide in Baluchistan? India should provide moral support to all such persecuted people.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby yensoy » 01 Sep 2019 21:40

Best to not butt heads or getting into a pissing contest. As they say, if you wrestle pigs you will get dirty. Fact is that there is no genocide going on or planned in Kashmir, and let the facts speak for themselves. Best to make the whole Paki administration look like a bunch of idiots that they are. Let our leaders send pictures from the far side of the moon, worry about fitness, fix our banking system and attend to the business of running the country.

Meanwhile I am sure some folks tasked with it are providing all sorts of moral and beyond support to Baluchis.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 01 Sep 2019 22:17

yensoy wrote:Best to not butt heads or getting into a pissing contest. As they say, if you wrestle pigs you will get dirty. Fact is that there is no genocide going on or planned in Kashmir, and let the facts speak for themselves. Best to make the whole Paki administration look like a bunch of idiots that they are. Let our leaders send pictures from the far side of the moon, worry about fitness, fix our banking system and attend to the business of running the country.

Meanwhile I am sure some folks tasked with it are providing all sorts of moral and beyond support to Baluchis.

GOI must not waste time rebutting like of Zam Zam HamIED in bakiTV but GOI must rebutt official baki statements made of international forums even if it is just a one liner like "Reject all of this as baseless"

As for making the baki admin look like a bunch of idiots, Dimran is the man. After a break of a couple of days he has again started ranting on twitter everyday. Let him.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby krithivas » 01 Sep 2019 22:28

Agree - However GoI must issue a dismissive "reject" no more than a one liner for appropriate (Pak admin claims - e.g., Dim's NYT bleating).

Wrestling with the pigs is a message that we need to reinforce within Indian mindset and granular de-hyphenation will drive the pigs to greater hallucinatory heights.

yensoy wrote:Best to not butt heads or getting into a pissing contest. As they say, if you wrestle pigs you will get dirty. Fact is that there is no genocide going on or planned in Kashmir, and let the facts speak for themselves. Best to make the whole Paki administration look like a bunch of idiots that they are. Let our leaders send pictures from the far side of the moon, worry about fitness, fix our banking system and attend to the business of running the country.

Meanwhile I am sure some folks tasked with it are providing all sorts of moral and beyond support to Baluchis.

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 02 Sep 2019 02:04

Time for Pakistan to pull out of OIC, says Rabbani - Iftikhar A. Khan

ISLAMABAD: It was high time for Pakistan to pull out of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) as it was worse than the United Nations, former Senate chairman Mian Raza Rabbani said on Friday.

Taking part in a discussion on Kashmir in the Senate, he said the “bubble of an Islamic Ummah had burst” and Pakistan should reappraise its relationship with the Ummah.

Recalling that the OIC had failed to act whenever Pakistan or any other Muslim country faced a difficult situation, he referred to the 1990s genocide in Bosnia and the ethnic cleansing in Palestine. “The world has become too profit oriented and focused on economic interests.”

He cited as examples a $15 billion deal signed recently between Aramco, the Saudi-owned oil giant, and India’s largest conglomerate Reliance, conferment of the UAE’s highest civil award on Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and signing of MoUs during the first-ever visit to Bahrain by an Indian premier last week to drive home the point that Muslim countries were too busy minding their own business to bother about issues like Kashmir.

Mr Rabbani said that parliament needed to inform all human rights organisations about the uninterrupted curfew and the state of human rights in India-occupied Kashmir.

“Pakistan should move an emergency motion at the general assembly of the Inter-Parliamentary Union in October and raise violation of human rights at the IPU’s meeting in Maldives next month,” Mr Rabbani suggested. He said parliament should try to convene special meetings of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association and the Asian Parliamentary Association to raise awareness about the Kashmir issue.

“Parliament should prepare a list of all international treaties and covenants signed by India and inform the world how it’s violating them today in Kashmir,” he added.

The former Senate chairman said Pakistan should ask the UN Commission on Human Rights to convene a meeting on the matter and call upon the world body to send observers to Kashmir. “We should now focus on Asia and end our alignment with Washington.”

In his speech, Senator Rehman Malik said crimes against humanity committed by the Indian forces made Narendra Modi liable to trial by the International Criminal Court. “I have already prepared a petition for filing with the ICC.”

He said the revocation of Articles 370 and 35-A by the Indian parliament was a violation of UN resolutions. “It is unfortunate that the UN has failed to implement its own resolutions on Kashmir,” the senator observed.

Mushahid Hussain Sayed of the PML-N underlined the need to have a three-pronged strategy to deal with the challenge posed by India’s irresponsible actions as, ironically enough, New Delhi’s draconian measures offered an opportunity as well. “India’s claim of being a democratic and secular state stands exposed now. I have read 30 articles on the issue, 27 of which were against India,” Senator Mushahid added.

He suggested that the strategy with regard to India should now be “Modi-specific and expose him as fascist and racist”.

Mushahid Hussain observed that the nation must keep its own house in order to ensure that the international community took its stance on major issue seriously. “It’s unthinkable that on one hand we have turmoil, instability, repression and division at home and, on the other, we run an effective foreign policy. We need a healing touch at home first.”

The senator called for immediate release of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, former president Asif Ali Zardari and two lawmakers belonging to the Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement. All ‘political prisoners’ should be released as well, he added.

Leader of the House in the Senate Shibli Faraz, while responding to Mushahid Hussain’s remarks, said there were no political prisoners in the country. He noted that all parties were on one page on the Kashmir issue. He asked the chair to send the summary of the proceedings and proposals made by members to the prime minister and the Foreign Office.

The upper house unanimously passed a resolution condemning the annexation of occupied Kashmir by India, describing it as a BJP-RSS move to change the region’s demography in furtherance of their racist and fascist agenda. The resolution, moved by Shibli Faraz, said the annexation was an attempt to undermine the UN Charter, the international law and UN Security Council resolutions.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Leonard » 02 Sep 2019 05:31

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2019 08:03

Pakistan offers consular access to Jadhav today - Indrani Bagchi, ToI
Pakistan has once again offered consular access to Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav.

Announcing the decision, Pakistani foreign office spokesperson Mohammed Faisal tweeted, "Consular access for Indian spy Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav, a serving Indian naval officer and RAW operative, is being provided on Monday, September 2, in line with Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, ICJ judgment and the laws of Pakistan. Commander Jadhav remains in Pakistan's custody, for espionage, terrorism and sabotage."

There was no immediate response from MEA, but sources said India would only accept private access - that is, unrestricted and unimpeded access to Jadhav. This will have to be without Pakistani officials or video-audio surveillance. {How can we ensure that? Our consul may not be able to carry with him/her any anti-surveillance equipment} India, sources said, would assess the nature of the Pakistani offer before taking a decision.

The last time Islamabad offered access in early August, it came with riders like presence of Pakistani officials, as well as video and audio recording. It was rejected by India for being contrary to the terms of the International Court of Justice judgment, and coming with too many conditions.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2019 08:14

Somewhat on the lines of Abhijeet Iyer Mitra's expose on media, but also discusses other things.

The real consequence - Claude Arpi, Daily Pioneer
The abrogation of Article 370 has led to a lot of typing on the keyboards of Indian as well as foreign journalists. Most scribes were ill-informed about the legality of the issue but generally, the Indian Press dealt with the subject more decently, taking into consideration the situation on the ground, including Ladakh where the “liberation” of the mountainous division was celebrated as in Jammu, too. The Indian Press also mentioned about the tragic fate of the Kashmiri Pandits and how the Article fuelled terrorist acts, which have plagued the Valley for decades. Even the Supreme Court, which sometimes does not mind stepping in the role of the Executive, handled the issue with restraint and care in the higher interest of the population concerned.

But this has not been the case of the foreign Press, which has once again shown not only its partisanship — the often-violent “anti-Modi” bias (they hate the ‘Modi’ phenomenon which eludes their understanding) — but also its abysmal ignorance of the historical background of the Kashmir issue.

Take the example of the French Press. Following the August 5 decision, it is difficult to say that it was the worst, because the British and the American were really bad, too (particularly the BBC). In their offices beyond the seas, editorialists remain stuck in old clichés — they love to portray Modi’s India as having only one objective: To massacre as many Muslims as possible. Due to sheer “White” arrogance, most of these “grand reporters” do not need to study the issue before writing on it, as “they know” about it.

After the Indian Prime Minister’s visit to the UAE, one French publication even wrote: “Modi has managed to escape the Muslim ire …for now.” The Chinese factor and their indecent claims over Ladakh have also been brushed aside; the Buddhists of Ladakh and the Pandits are not worth a word. It is ironic that at the same time, the Indo-French bilateral relations have been blossoming (but journalists will probably say, “Modi has bought Macron on his side by promising to buy a few Rafales more”).

Who is responsible for this constant misinformation or disinformation? As I said, it is not possible to change the ideological slant of the Press (foreign or French), so one should let it be. Where the Government of India failed is in “educating” the Press by giving a full historical briefing on all the facets of the issue.


One problem is that the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) today functions without a historical division, (in the 1990s, some smart mandarins thought they knew everything and that a division was not required). Before the announcement, the South Block should have prepared a “background note on the Kashmir issue and the history of the temporary Article 370 of Indian Constitution” but nobody probably had the time for such niceties. Foreign embassies could have been given this note, which could have informed their “all-knowing” Press; it is part of the bilateral relations, no?

The foreign Press could have been told: “You are free to use the briefing and check the facts if you want.” One of the problems is the sacrosanct “freedom of the Press” which allows anybody to write anything! Those who object to this are “fascists.”

Now what are the facts?

A few years ago, I came across a top secret note entitled, ‘Background to the Kashmir Issue: Facts of the case’, written in the early 1950s in the Nehru Papers (the JN Collections at the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library). It makes for a fascinating read. It starts with a historical dateline: “Invasion of the State by tribesmen and Pakistan nationals through or from Pakistan territory on October 20, 1947; ruler’s offer of accession of the State to India supported by the National Conference, a predominantly Muslim though non-communal political organsation, on October 26, 1947; acceptance of accession by the British Governor-General of India on October 27, 1947, under this accession, the State became an integral part of India; expression of a wish by Lord Mountbatten in a separate letter to the ruler the fulfillment of which was to take place at a future date when law and order had been restored and the soil of the State cleared of the invader, the people of the State were given the right to decide whether they should remain in India or not.”

Then the note mentioned “[the] invasion of the State by Pakistan Regular Forces on May 8, 1948, in contravention of international law. One of the grounds for this military operation, as disclosed by Pakistan’s Foreign Minister himself, was a recommendation of the Commander-in-Chief of Pakistan that an easy victory for the Indian Army was almost certain to arouse the anger of the invading tribesmen against Pakistan.{It was the British General Douglas Gracey who was the Commander-in-Chief at that time}

Pakistan was not interested in the plebiscite, further it wanted to grab …Buddhist Ladakh, too. At some other point, the note observed: “Pakistan, not content with assisting the invader, has itself become an invader and its Army is still occupying a large part of the soil of Kashmir, thus committing a continuing breach of international law.”

This was noticed by Sir Owen Dixon, the UN Representative. Pakistani politicians (and others) often quote the UN resolutions but very few have read them. Has Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan ever looked at them? I bet not.

Following the ceasefire of January 1, 1949, the military representatives of India and Pakistan met in Karachi between July 18 and 27, 1949, under the auspices of the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan. Before leaving for Karachi, the delegates had a briefing from Sir Girja Shankar Bajpai, the Secretary General of the MEA, who explained the legal position in detail to the delegates. He told them that the resolution of August 13, 1948 “had conceded the legality of Kashmir’s accession to India and as such no man’s land, if any, should be controlled by India during the period of ceasefire and truce.” Thus, the Line of Ceasefire (now Line of Control) was drawn and accepted by Pakistan on this principle.

Who remembers the August 1948 resolution today?

Similarly, for Article 370, the temporary background should have been explained, particularly how it deprived Jammu and Ladakh of their administrative freedom; how it helped fuel terrorism from across the LoC; how gender-biased it was. This should have been done. It would not have removed the bias of the foreign “secular” Press but they could not have said they did not know.

(The writer is an expert on India-China relations)

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Parasu » 02 Sep 2019 15:09

The time we spend analysing foreign press is probably disproportionate to their importance.
This of course has Nehruvian, "I need good behaviour certificate from white folk" behaviour.
It is not the government's job to educate every journalist under the sun. In fact, most journalists have their own motivations to write what they do. Irrespective of what the Indian government does, most will peddle the same crap.
The government must focus on Indians. It only needs to explain its positions to us and us alone.
Press, whether desi or phoren is overrated, particularly after the rise of social media. If it was still relevant, neither Trump nor Modi would win so big and frequently.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Parasu » 02 Sep 2019 15:12

Vivek K wrote:Why doesn’t India take up Pakistani genocide in Baluchistan? India should provide moral support to all such persecuted people.

Because we were ruled by Marxist Liberandus for long. They still control power to a substantial degree in babudom, journalism and armed forces. It will take time to shake off the decades-old self-loathing perpetrated by these rasc*ls.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 02 Sep 2019 15:16

SSridhar wrote:Somewhat on the lines of Abhijeet Iyer Mitra's expose on media, but also discusses other things.

The real consequence - Claude Arpi, Daily Pioneer
The abrogation of Article 370 has led to a lot of typing on the keyboards of Indian as well as foreign journalists. Most scribes were ill-informed about the legality of the issue but generally, the Indian Press dealt with the subject more decently, taking into consideration the situation on the ground, including Ladakh where the “liberation” of the mountainous division was celebrated as in Jammu, too. The Indian Press also mentioned about the tragic fate of the Kashmiri Pandits and how the Article fuelled terrorist acts, which have plagued the Valley for decades. Even the Supreme Court, which sometimes does not mind stepping in the role of the Executive, handled the issue with restraint and care in the higher interest of the population concerned.

But this has not been the case of the foreign Press, which has once again shown not only its partisanship — the often-violent “anti-Modi” bias (they hate the ‘Modi’ phenomenon which eludes their understanding) — but also its abysmal ignorance of the historical background of the Kashmir issue.

Take the example of the French Press. Following the August 5 decision, it is difficult to say that it was the worst, because the British and the American were really bad, too (particularly the BBC). In their offices beyond the seas, editorialists remain stuck in old clichés — they love to portray Modi’s India as having only one objective: To massacre as many Muslims as possible. Due to sheer “White” arrogance, most of these “grand reporters” do not need to study the issue before writing on it, as “they know” about it.

After the Indian Prime Minister’s visit to the UAE, one French publication even wrote: “Modi has managed to escape the Muslim ire …for now.” The Chinese factor and their indecent claims over Ladakh have also been brushed aside; the Buddhists of Ladakh and the Pandits are not worth a word. It is ironic that at the same time, the Indo-French bilateral relations have been blossoming (but journalists will probably say, “Modi has bought Macron on his side by promising to buy a few Rafales more”).

Who is responsible for this constant misinformation or disinformation? As I said, it is not possible to change the ideological slant of the Press (foreign or French), so one should let it be. Where the Government of India failed is in “educating” the Press by giving a full historical briefing on all the facets of the issue.


One problem is that the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) today functions without a historical division, (in the 1990s, some smart mandarins thought they knew everything and that a division was not required). Before the announcement, the South Block should have prepared a “background note on the Kashmir issue and the history of the temporary Article 370 of Indian Constitution” but nobody probably had the time for such niceties. Foreign embassies could have been given this note, which could have informed their “all-knowing” Press; it is part of the bilateral relations, no?

The foreign Press could have been told: “You are free to use the briefing and check the facts if you want.” One of the problems is the sacrosanct “freedom of the Press” which allows anybody to write anything! Those who object to this are “fascists.”

Now what are the facts?

A few years ago, I came across a top secret note entitled, ‘Background to the Kashmir Issue: Facts of the case’, written in the early 1950s in the Nehru Papers (the JN Collections at the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library). It makes for a fascinating read. It starts with a historical dateline: “Invasion of the State by tribesmen and Pakistan nationals through or from Pakistan territory on October 20, 1947; ruler’s offer of accession of the State to India supported by the National Conference, a predominantly Muslim though non-communal political organsation, on October 26, 1947; acceptance of accession by the British Governor-General of India on October 27, 1947, under this accession, the State became an integral part of India; expression of a wish by Lord Mountbatten in a separate letter to the ruler the fulfillment of which was to take place at a future date when law and order had been restored and the soil of the State cleared of the invader, the people of the State were given the right to decide whether they should remain in India or not.”[/b]

Then the note mentioned “[the] invasion of the State by Pakistan Regular Forces on May 8, 1948, in contravention of international law. One of the grounds for this military operation, as disclosed by Pakistan’s Foreign Minister himself, was a recommendation of the Commander-in-Chief of Pakistan that an easy victory for the Indian Army was almost certain to arouse the anger of the invading tribesmen against Pakistan.{It was the British General Douglas Gracey who was the Commander-in-Chief at that time}

Pakistan was not interested in the plebiscite, further it wanted to grab …Buddhist Ladakh, too. At some other point, the note observed: “Pakistan, not content with assisting the invader, has itself become an invader and its Army is still occupying a large part of the soil of Kashmir, thus committing a continuing breach of international law.”

This was noticed by Sir Owen Dixon, the UN Representative. Pakistani politicians (and others) often quote the UN resolutions but very few have read them. Has Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan ever looked at them? I bet not.

Following the ceasefire of January 1, 1949, the military representatives of India and Pakistan met in Karachi between July 18 and 27, 1949, under the auspices of the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan. Before leaving for Karachi, the delegates had a briefing from Sir Girja Shankar Bajpai, the Secretary General of the MEA, who explained the legal position in detail to the delegates. He told them that the resolution of August 13, 1948 “had conceded the legality of Kashmir’s accession to India and as such no man’s land, if any, should be controlled by India during the period of ceasefire and truce.” Thus, the Line of Ceasefire (now Line of Control) was drawn and accepted by Pakistan on this principle.

Who remembers the August 1948 resolution today?

Similarly, for Article 370, the temporary background should have been explained, particularly how it deprived Jammu and Ladakh of their administrative freedom; how it helped fuel terrorism from across the LoC; how gender-biased it was. This should have been done. It would not have removed the bias of the foreign “secular” Press but they could not have said they did not know.

(The writer is an expert on India-China relations)
SSridhar Ji :

Many thanks above. However Tariq Ali states otherwise :

Bitter Chill of Winter - Tariq Ali
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Meanwhile, something had to be done about Kashmir. There was unrest in the Army and even secular politicians felt that Kashmir, as a Muslim state, should form part of Pakistan. The Maharaja had begun to negotiate secretly with India and a desperate Jinnah decided to authorise a military operation in defiance of the British High Command. Pakistan would advance into Kashmir and seize Srinagar. Jinnah nominated a younger colleague from the Punjab, Sardar Shaukat Hyat Khan, to take charge of the operation. Shaukat Hyat Khan was the son of Sir Sikander Hyatt Khan

Shaukat had served as a captain during the war and spent several months in an Italian POW camp. On his return he had resigned his commission and joined the Muslim League. He was one of its more popular leaders in the Punjab, devoted to Jinnah, extremely hostile to Liaquat, whom he regarded as an arriviste, and keen to earn the title of ‘Lion of the Punjab’ that was occasionally chanted in his honour at public meetings. An effete and vainglorious figure, easily swayed by flattery, Shaukat was a chocolate-cream soldier. It was the unexpected death of his father, the elected Prime Minister of the old Punjab, that had brought him to prominence. He was not one of those people who rise above their own shortcomings in a crisis. I knew him well: he was my uncle. To his credit, however, he argued against the use of irregulars and wanted the operation to be restricted to retired or serving military personnel. He was overruled by the Prime Minister, who insisted that his loud-mouthed protégé, Khurshid Anwar, take part in the operation. Anwar, against all military advice, enlisted Pathan tribesman in the cause of jihad. Two extremely able brigadiers, Akbar Khan and Sher Khan from the 6/13th Frontier Force Regiment (‘Piffers’ to old India hands), were selected to lead the assault

The invasion was fixed for 9 September 1947, but it had to be delayed for two weeks: Khurshid Anwar had chosen the same day to get married and wanted to go on a brief honeymoon. In the meantime, thanks to Anwar’s lack of discretion, a senior Pakistani officer, Brigadier Iftikhar, heard what was going on and passed the news to General Messervy, the C-in-C of the Pakistan Army. He immediately informed Auchinleck, who passed the information to Mountbatten, who passed it to the new Indian Government. Using the planned invasion as a pretext, the Congress sent Nehru’s deputy, Sardar Patel, to pressure the Maharaja into acceding to India, while Mountbatten ordered Indian Army units to prepare for an emergency airlift to Srinagar.

Back in Rawalpindi, Anwar had returned from his honeymoon and the invasion began. The key objective was to take Srinagar, occupy the airport and secure it against the Indians. Within a week the Maharaja’s army had collapsed. Hari Singh fled to his palace in Jammu. The 11th Sikh Regiment of the Indian Army had by now reached Srinagar, but was desperately waiting for reinforcements and didn’t enter the town. The Pathan tribesman under Khurshid Anwar’s command halted after reaching Baramulla, only an hour’s bus ride from Srinagar, and refused to go any further. Here they embarked on a three-day binge, looting houses, assaulting Muslims and Hindus alike, raping men and women and stealing money from the Kashmir Treasury. The local cinema was transformed into a rape centre; a group of Pathans invaded St Joseph’s Convent, where they raped and killed four nuns, including the Mother Superior, and shot dead a European couple sheltering there. News of the atrocities spread, turning large numbers of Kashmiris against their would-be liberators. When they finally reached Srinagar, the Pathans were so intent on pillaging the shops and bazaars that they overlooked the airport, already occupied by the Sikhs.

Guidance : IMHO Tariq Ali is a far better informed Source. He is the Maternal Grandson of Sir Sikander Hyatt Khan the Leader of the Unionist Party of Punjab which wanted a United India. Shaukat Hyat Khan is Tariq Ali's Maternal Uncle!

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Postby ArjunPandit » 02 Sep 2019 19:10

meanwhile abdul basit ji has fallen in the trap of endians again and RTd the pic of johny sins as a kashmiri killed by pellet guns..indian tweeters have made paki leadership look like a joke..

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby A_Gupta » 02 Sep 2019 19:17

Tariq Ali might know some of the Paki actors in the jihad better than anyone else, but for what communications went between the British, GoI and Indian actions he has to rely on the same set of documents as everyone else. So where are his citations and footnotes?

Then:
Using the planned invasion as a pretext, the Congress sent Nehru’s deputy, Sardar Patel, to pressure the Maharaja into acceding to India..


Really? When did Sardar Patel meet Maharaja Hari Singh, do tell.

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Postby pankajs » 02 Sep 2019 21:17

https://twitter.com/ReutersIndia/status ... 3978105856
Reuters India @ReutersIndia

JUST IN: Pakistan PM Imran Khan says Pakistan will not use nuclear weapons first amid tensions with arch-rivals India

Dimran seems to be on a suicide mission. First he stated that "war is not an option" and now he does away with the "first" use of Nuclear weapon. Bhell .. the Zam Zam HamIED type will cry that this is an invitation to India to attack bakistan. Will enable cold start because the "battlefield tactical nukes" counter option have been removed!

What gives? There are 3 possibilities.

1. Turtle Ninda's reverse swing made the bakis peddle back on the "first use" knowing that its previous stance will make India reach for the button at the first suspicion of FU.

2. Or, this is a reverse swing "counter" to convince the world that the danger of a noclear exchange now stems from India's latest stand. Another attempt to sound more reasonable than India.

3. Or, the bakis have in reality no clown jewels to deploy in the first place. This statement to cover up for that gaping hole just in case they get called out by a "cold start" thrust into bakistan in the near future.

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Postby srin » 02 Sep 2019 22:22

^^^ Probably #2. But then, only for those who ignore the fact that Im-the-Dim is irrelevant, and only Rawalpindi matters.

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Postby Rsatchi » 02 Sep 2019 22:25

Noob pooch
What is the smart bomb
Also 150-250gm nooclear bomb as per Sheikh Rashid :eek: :shock:

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Postby vinod » 02 Sep 2019 22:31

SSridhar wrote:Somewhat on the lines of Abhijeet Iyer Mitra's expose on media, but also discusses other things.


Due to sheer “White” arrogance, most of these “grand reporters” do not need to study the issue before writing on it, as “they know” about it.

....

Who is responsible for this constant misinformation or disinformation? As I said, it is not possible to change the ideological slant of the Press (foreign or French), so one should let it be. Where the Government of India failed is in “educating” the Press by giving a full historical briefing on all the facets of the issue.


One problem is that the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) today functions without a historical division, (in the 1990s, some smart mandarins thought they knew everything and that a division was not required). Before the announcement, the South Block should have prepared a “background note on the Kashmir issue and the history of the temporary Article 370 of Indian Constitution” but nobody probably had the time for such niceties. [/b]Foreign embassies could have been given this note, which could have informed their “all-knowing” Press; it is part of the bilateral relations, no?

The foreign Press could have been told: “You are free to use the briefing and check the facts if you want.”



I don't understand why a benefit of doubt is always being given to them as "they are ignorant" or "there weren't provided the facts". They are doing it willfully. Simply deceitful! Any amount of education or pamphlets is not going to change their behavior. There should be real cost to them for peddling these narratives. Then, THEY will put an effort to get it right so as to not to increase their costs.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Mihaylo » 02 Sep 2019 22:37

Rsatchi wrote:Noob pooch
What is the smart bomb
Also 150-250gm nooclear bomb as per Sheikh Rashid :eek: :shock:

Every one of us has several such smart bombs which we deploy every morning in Pakistan, and for some, several times a day. They must have got hold of some such bombs.

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Postby williams » 02 Sep 2019 23:01

Good interview from our EAM Jaishankar in Europe

https://www.politico.eu/article/india-sees-kashmir-restrictions-easing-in-coming-days/

Notable quotes

India’s External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said he hasn’t had time :rotfl: to read Friday’s New York Times op-ed by Khan, which seeks the opening of a dialogue between Islamabad and New Delhi, but argued the idea is a nonstarter while Pakistan “openly practices terrorism.


Khan argued that it is urgent to begin discussions while a “nuclear shadow” hovers over South Asia, but the Indian minister said there is no hope of negotiations until Pakistan reins in its financing and recruitment of militant groups. “Terrorism is not something that is being conducted in dark corners of Pakistan. It’s done in broad daylight,” he complained.


Discussing Trump’s increasingly hard stance on Indian tariffs, the minister said India is in a mood to compromise. “Like any relationship, there’s give and take … Our expectation is that our trade ministers will sit down in the near future. I think many of these issues are eminently [open] to resolution.”




By contrast, he admitted that energy-hungry India’s desire to purchase Iranian oil is “rather complicated” and that he hopes for “greater clarity.” When asked whether there are really no grounds to negotiate because Washington simply has zero tolerance for Iranian oil purchases, he chose not to commit himself. “One of the nice things about an interview is that when you reach a level where you don’t want to say what you don’t want to, you don’t say it.”

On arms' purchases from Russia, however, Jaishankar took a more absolute position and argued that he is not going to be deterred from a “solid, time-tested” relationship with Moscow.

“We would not accept any country telling us who to buy weapons from and who not to buy from,” he said.

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 03 Sep 2019 00:00

Imran Cant - being a Niazi i.e. Loser - he Blinks!

Pakistan won't trigger a war with India: Imran Khan

HIGHLIGHTS

- Both Pakistan and India are nuclear powers and if tension escalates the world will face danger but there will be no aggression from our side first:

- Imran Khan did not clarify if he meant that Pakistan won’t be the first to use nuclear weapons’

- However, his statement was open to interpretations with reports suggesting that Pakistan may also follow a no-first use nuclear policy

LAHORE: Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said his country will never be the first to trigger a possible war with India amid tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbours over Kashmir.

"Both Pakistan and India are nuclear powers and if tension escalates the world will face danger but there will be no aggression from our side first," Imran said while addressing a gathering of the Sikh community in Islamabad.

While Khan did not clarify if he meant that Pakistan won't be the first to use nuclear weapons, his statement was open to interpretation, with a report suggesting that the Prime Minister may have revealed Pakistan's hitherto unclear nuclear doctrine.

Khan added that war is not a solution to any problem. "I want to tell India that war is not a solution to any problem. The winner in war is also a loser. War gives birth to host of other issues," he said.

Islamabad is ambiguous as to under what conditions it will resort to using its nuclear arsenal. The uncertainty is deliberate and intended to deter use of conventional force by India in response to Pakistan's use of terror proxies.

According to Reuters report, Imran may have hinted that like India, Pakistan will also stick to no-first use nuclear policy. Yes indeed - Imran BLINKS, along with Budge Bahadur!

In January 2003, India's first official nuclear doctrine stated the no-first-use policy. It, however, made it clear that nuclear retaliation to a first strike would be massive and designed to inflict maximum damage, also stating that India may consider using nuclear weapons in response to chemical and biological weapon attack.

Tension between India and Pakistan recently escalated after New Delhi revoked Jammu and Kashmir's special status. Reacting to India's move on Kashmir, Pakistan downgraded diplomatic ties with New Delhi and expelled the Indian high commissioner.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Vivek K » 03 Sep 2019 00:23

........ Here they embarked on a three-day binge, looting houses, assaulting Muslims and Hindus alike, raping men and women and stealing money from the Kashmir Treasury.


Hmmmm! Is that an admission of homosexuality? :rotfl:

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Postby darshan » 03 Sep 2019 00:31

pakistani U.S. visa holder denied entry over someone else’s messages
https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/02/denie ... -whatsapp/
It’s been almost nine months since Dakhil was turned away at the U.S. border.

He went back to the U.S. Embassy in Karachi twice to try to seek answers, but embassy officials said they could not reverse a CBP decision to deny a traveler entry to the United States. Frustrated but determined to know more, Dakhil asked for his records through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request — which anyone can do — but had to pay hundreds of dollars for its processing.

He provided TechCrunch with the documents he obtained. One record said that Dakhil was singled out because his name matched a “rule hit,” such as a name on a watchlist or a visit to a country under sanctions or embargoes, which typically requires additional vetting before the traveler can be allowed into the U.S.

The document also said Dakhil “was permitted to view the WhatsApp group message thread on his phone and he stated that it was sent to him in September 2018,” but this was not enough to satisfy the CBP officers who ruled he should be denied entry. The document said Dakhil stated that he “never took this photo and doesn’t believe [the sender is] involved either,” but he was “advised that he was responsible for all the contents on his phone to include all media and he stated that he understood.”

The same document confirmed the contents of his phone was uploaded to the CBP’s central database and provided to the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force.

Dakhil was “found inadmissible” and was put on the next flight back to Karachi, more than a day after he was first approached by the CBP officer in the immigration line.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby jash_p » 03 Sep 2019 03:14

Rumor is that Shaikh Rashid said something about third option of Kashmir? Do any one have any idea about it?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Pratyush » 03 Sep 2019 07:53

Rsatchi wrote:Noob pooch
What is the smart bomb
Also 150-250gm nooclear bomb as per Sheikh Rashid :eek: :shock:



Back pack bomb.


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