Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby srai » 07 Sep 2019 16:45

^^^
What we don’t know is what the original quote included/excluded? And how the quote was brought down by excluding what inclusions?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Snehashis » 07 Sep 2019 16:46

Rs. 45,000 crore orders for 83 LCA fighter means Rs. 542.17 crore each. HAL initially asked for around Rs. 450 crore each which came down to 250-275 crore per aircraft as reported on the last page of this thread.

ashishvikas wrote:83 LCAs Order: HAL may finally agree to lower price

http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/7 ... aign=cppst

According to sources privy to the negotiations, HAL quoted Rs 450 crore per aircraft as the basic price. “MoD and IAF (customers) are firm that this price is not competitive and are negotiating for a price that is less than Rs 300 crore per aircraft. Negotiations are nearly complete and final price is likely to be in the range of Rs 250 crore and Rs 275 crore,” a source said.

If the price is Rs 275 crore, then the value of 83 LCAs would be about Rs 22,825 crore compared to Rs 37,350 crore if it was Rs 450 crore.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby srai » 07 Sep 2019 16:50

^^^
Rs. 45,000 crore orders for 83 LCA fighter means Rs. 542.17 crore each. HAL initially asked for around Rs. 450 crore each...


Getting comic with all these totals being thrown around :mrgreen:

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby habal » 07 Sep 2019 20:24

IAF lusts after gripen.

I think the main reason is f16 cannot add nato planes into their threat library. So that means 50% of paf is deactivated without firing a shot. That is the main reason behind clamouring for western aircraft.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Aditya_V » 07 Sep 2019 21:07

Me thinks its not the IAF but import lobby is using its Media powers now the deal is going through. A final attempt

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Vivek K » 08 Sep 2019 06:45

Need to get IAF under control. Replace all MiG-27 and Jags with LCAs. IAF is paying $215 million per white elephant rafale. Need to stop complaining about LCa’s price.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Anujan » 08 Sep 2019 07:09

habal wrote:IAF lusts after gripen.

I think the main reason is f16 cannot add nato planes into their threat library. So that means 50% of paf is deactivated without firing a shot. That is the main reason behind clamouring for western aircraft.


I am not sure this is the case. The arms lobby in Massa has sold the same maal to opposing forces. Greece and Turkey both have F16 for example. I'd be surprised if this is the case. What if turkey gets into a pangaa with Massa - you think Massa cant fire at turkish F16s?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Cybaru » 08 Sep 2019 13:51

I think IAF lusts after raffles and rightly so..

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby JTull » 08 Sep 2019 18:09

Everyone lusts after the latest beauty, but can they have them?

IAF knows very well, it cannot afford too many Rafales. And the pilots know that they'll be better served in Tejas/MWF in the long term as compared to F-16s or Gripens.

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Postby Rakesh » 11 Sep 2019 02:20

Make in India

HAL ties up with Larsen & Toubro, others as Modi govt taps private talent for Tejas Mark 1A
https://theprint.in/defence/hal-ties-up ... 1a/288196/

HAL will now be more of a systems integrator, with private firms playing a major role in the manufacturing of fighter aircraft and helicopters.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby JayS » 13 Sep 2019 11:29

Data point from HAL AR 2018-19

Cost of the order for 20 IOC LCA Mk1 was revised to 5362.17 Cr in FY 2018-19. So this number is probably final or very close to final.

This gives avg cost as 268Cr. but these 20 include 4 Trainers and Trainers likely cost more than the single seater versions.

Lets say, LCA MK1 in IOC config costs 250Cr. Now add cost of AESA and SPJ to it for cost of MK1A. Subtract some for reduction due to scale.

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Postby sankum » 13 Sep 2019 12:43

16 Tejas mk1 single seater at Rs 260Cr and 4 twin seater at Rs 300 Cr.
Tejas mk1 single seater @$36m/ aircraft.
Tejas mk1a@$40m/aircraft can be estimated.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby nits » 13 Sep 2019 13:03

There was news sometime back that certain south Asian countries are interested in Tejas; so does this prices becomes base price for them for any negotiation +- packages / feature they need / dont need ?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby JayS » 13 Sep 2019 14:57

nits wrote:There was news sometime back that certain south Asian countries are interested in Tejas; so does this prices becomes base price for them for any negotiation +- packages / feature they need / dont need ?


will remain in the same ball park, for bare jet.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 16 Sep 2019 21:30

An article from 2017, but relevant due to the dwindling numbers.

Why building more Tejas fighters is a superior option for the Indian Air Force
http://delhidefencereview.com/2017/12/1 ... air-force/
11 December 2017

The LCA program has brought enormous benefits for India since its inception. Design and development of a front line fighter aircraft from scratch is no easy feat. Derelict infrastructure, nascent technology and manufacturing ecosystem, testing and certifying mechanisms and facilities have all been upgraded and created to such an extent that India can now realistically attempt making a next generation fighter aircraft in the AMCA. Major subsystems of the LCA are now produced by private firms with HAL acting as lead integrator.

With firm commitment for greater orders and higher production rates as suggested above, more firms will come forward to take part in the production of this aircraft. Financial viability is the chief concern for MSME units. Such units can be brought into the program if orders are assured for long durations in numbers that make financial sense. The MSME sector contributes to the bulk of job creation in India and boosting them will truly enable the Make-in-India program. ISRO and DRDO both have handheld firms through such processes and created a wide ecosystem over the years. It only behooves the powers-that-be to continue and expand this process to create a strong India.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Gyan » 16 Sep 2019 21:55

LCA MK I FOC was 6000 crores in 2010
Now, using dollar rate and tagging on USD inflation, we come to 48000 crore for 83 LCA MK1A. Hence with some improvements a price of 55000 to 60000 crores is reasonable.

Now compare increase in prices of
Phalcons
Akula SSNs
Conventional submarines
Talwar Frigates

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Kakarat » 17 Sep 2019 13:10

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/11 ... 5192781825
News coming in that Def Min @rajnathsingh is all set to fly on a #Tejas on Thursday (Sept 19). He is on his first official visit to Bangalore after taking over as RM.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby JayS » 17 Sep 2019 14:40

I am waiting for Modi to take a joyride in LCA. He should be seen throwing his full political weight behind LCA.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Sep 2019 17:44

I think NaMO is not doing it intentionally...he also wants to build a world class MIC aeroeco system for india and that would require firangs to come and build here..that can only be done by keeping them invested here...if they know there goose is cooked why would they invest in india?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Gagan » 18 Sep 2019 19:05

PM might not be able to fly the LCA, as there is a GOI rule about VVIPs not being able to fly on single engined aircraft / helos

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Indranil » 18 Sep 2019 22:17

Is the the Home Minister not a VVIP?

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Postby ramana » 18 Sep 2019 22:35

Not as high as the PM.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ashishvikas » 18 Sep 2019 23:10

Some new pictures from assembly line.

https://twitter.com/neeraj_rajput/statu ... 61953?s=19

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 18 Sep 2019 23:38

^^^ Pictures from the above link...

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Very nice fit and finish....

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Tarang RWR

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How can I buy that model? :)

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Postby Mort Walker » 18 Sep 2019 23:44

That sheet metal work looks top notch. Certainly much better than the Su-30MKI or MiG-29. Very comparable to Rafale, Eurofighter or F-18.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby suryag » 18 Sep 2019 23:46

why is SP16 still here ? :(

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Indranil » 19 Sep 2019 00:14

suryag wrote:why is SP16 still here ? :(

So is 13 ;-)

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby JayS » 19 Sep 2019 01:25

Gagan wrote:PM might not be able to fly the LCA, as there is a GOI rule about VVIPs not being able to fly on single engined aircraft / helos

Previously PM would deliver speech from Red Fort from within a bullet proof enclosure.

Its a symbolic gesture. Even 10min flight with just TO, cruise, Landing is sufficient. Last time I suggested ACM should take a ride in LCA as confidence gesture, same kind of protocols were thrown around here on BRF. ACM Raha did take a ride later. And ACM Dhanoa has done multiple solo flights in MiG21. Likewise for flypast on Republic day.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby JayS » 19 Sep 2019 01:27

In the weapons station map, there is last row of Standoff weapon. Which one we are talking about? Pic looks like that of SPICE. Woukd it include Brahmos NG too?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Kakarat » 19 Sep 2019 01:54

According to reports from AI19 Brahmos people told that NG can be carried by Tejas and I think it will be integrated after testing on Su-30MKI. So safely we can say it will be available for Tejas after a decade minimum

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ramana » 19 Sep 2019 02:12

Very nice set of Tejas pictures

Thanks.

https://twitter.com/neeraj_rajput/statu ... 61953?s=19

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Karan M » 19 Sep 2019 03:14

I am disappoint. Where are the standard Mk1 flowerpots?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby srai » 19 Sep 2019 03:56

^^^
Wait till the RM joyride :wink:

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Vips » 19 Sep 2019 03:57

ashishvikas wrote:Some new pictures from assembly line.


My mind played tricks and read the post as some pictures from the new assembly line.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby souravB » 19 Sep 2019 04:22

I can see SP-26 on the line. :D

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Atmavik » 19 Sep 2019 10:30

Kadi ninda has turned to prasansha. its great to see support for Tejas!!

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Srikanth P » 19 Sep 2019 11:11

Rajnath becomes 1st defence min to fly Tejas : Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Thursday in the homemade light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas that took off from the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited airport this morning.


He became the first-ever Defence Minister to fly in the fighter jet. Singh was accompanied by Air Vice Marshal N Tiwari.


The Defence Minister who donned a white helmet waved to onlookers after he took his seat in the back in the twin- seater version of the aircraft before it took off.


Ahead of the flight today, Singh tweeted two pictures of him dressed in a green flight suit. "All Set For The Day!" he posted.The Tejas is an Indian single-engine, delta wing, multirole light fighter designed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy.


It came from the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) programme, which began in the 1980s to replace India's ageing MiG-21 fighters. In 2003, the LCA was officially named "Tejas". -- ANI

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Postby Srikanth P » 19 Sep 2019 12:16

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby JayS » 19 Sep 2019 13:00

Mort Walker wrote:That sheet metal work looks top notch. Certainly much better than the Su-30MKI or MiG-29. Very comparable to Rafale, Eurofighter or F-18.


What sheet metal work..?? :D


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