India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 20 Sep 2019 12:16

CRamS wrote:Guys, I am headed to Houston, TX. Looking forward to the event. I am tad worried about any curve ball Trump bahadur might throw on Kashmir. Also, these protests. Don't know how big they will be despite TSP doing its level best along with its many Indian sepoys.

Excellent sir, looking forward to your report!

What curve ball can he possibly throw? They did a joint presser where K question was asked and Trump said what he had to, to which PM said "hum aapko kasht nahi dena chahte hain", i.e. this is no business of anyone else.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Sep 2019 15:27

I was watching this analysis on Howdy Modi event and to make one point the language used was "Pakistani pressure on India"

My humble request to media and commoners to shun the word "pressure" in the above context where the correct word is "propaganda". So use "How is India going to counter Pakistani propaganda?" instead of "How is India going to counter Pakistani pressure?"

Makes quite a difference. Pressure has a totally different connotation than propaganda. Words have meaning and they are not substitute. Choose words wisely.

OTOH, India is putting PRESSURE on bakistan is perfectly legitimate.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 20 Sep 2019 16:14

what are chances that bakis will behave like they did in london?

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 20 Sep 2019 16:27

Nothing much will happen..law enforcement in USA is of a different nature as compared to UK. more so when Trump is in attendance.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 20 Sep 2019 16:31

^^ Which means it's a perfect opportunity to precipitate matters, especially since it will allow them to have a go at Trump as well.

srin · Post by **srin** » 20 Sep 2019 17:53

With Trump in attendance, anything remotely hostile is going to first get spun politically to their disadvantage and secondly will get them on all sorts of FBI and secret service radar, which will subject them to years of cavity searches and deportation if they even let out a f@rt.
No sane non-WASP is going to do it. But we're talking about Bakis, so you never know.
I say, bring them on. Hopefully they may even wave ISIS flags and wear letterbox and bash Trump. Then the whole world will know the true colours of the crapper next to us.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 20 Sep 2019 18:59

srin wrote:I say, bring them on. Hopefully they may even wave ISIS flags and wear letterbox and bash Trump. Then the whole world will know the true colours of the crapper next to us.

Trump coming to the rally has its advantages, as the cordon of secret service, FBI, Houston police would be tight, and with the public pushed back to a greater distance. As long as Modi's security is not compromised, I don't mind these paki yahoos trying their tricks, as they'd immediately feel the tender mercies of Houston police. But I doubt they'd do anything beyond holding placards for these very reasons. Definitely a longer walk for those attending the rally.

Btw, does the SPG carry arms when on foreign soil? I know they provide the immediate cordon, etc., how does this work in general?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2019 19:31

IndraD wrote:any input on why is Trump joining Modi's rally, whats in it for Trump? Being a businessman he won;t attend for free. Recently Kamla Harris also tried to get cosy to Indians by addressing them as 'South Asian' .

OIL

same reason that all those matlabi gulfies gave Modi their national awards and necklaces.

Is anyone wondering why the meeting is in houston texas

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2019 21:39

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this ought to generate a lot of "masala" for the FBI and also the CIA, not to mention homeland security.

hoping to see some arrests of senior paki govt chappies in the protest

twitter

Mass protest being organised for #HowdyModi event.

SUPRISE SUPRISE the bus pick-ups for those protesting against Modi & Trump are the mosques of #Houston

See how this works yet? Mosques are not simple places of worship. They are places of co-ordination & control #STOPTHEBUS

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Sep 2019 21:58

^^^Should be reported to ICE as many could be illegals or terrorists.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 20 Sep 2019 22:07

Floods in Houston

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 20 Sep 2019 22:16

islamic goons would go the route that US people can relate to. So expect lot of message sending with placards, posters etc. Civil March style stuff. It would be up to us to counter, make them irrelevant to the level of making them go UK way.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 20 Sep 2019 22:43

srin wrote:With Trump in attendance, anything remotely hostile is going to first get spun politically to their disadvantage and secondly will get them on all sorts of FBI and secret service radar, which will subject them to years of cavity searches and deportation if they even let out a f@rt.
No sane non-WASP is going to do it. But we're talking about Bakis, so you never know.
I say, bring them on. Hopefully, they may even wave ISIS flags and wear letterbox and bash Trump. Then the whole world will know the true colors of the crapper next to us.

Exactly add Texas Rangers to the group of law enforcement. The grapevine is that already over 1000 Pakis are under surveillance in the Houston area alone. I have also tweeted to IRS, Secretary of Treasury to look at the tax statuses of the mosques since they are not supposed to use their podium for political purposes.

I expect foolish Pakis to do something really stupid which will cause them to be under scanner for a long period of time.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 20 Sep 2019 22:55

Event inside NRG would be available. But we should be collecting as many non event videos, pictures, etc. and sending to the social media. One may see many things from arrival routes to periphery of the venue. Hopefully, all vetting is done for people inside the venue.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Sep 2019 23:06

Guys, lets not mince words, security will be so air tight in Houston, especially with Trump bahadur in town, that at the slightest hint of hanky panky by any Paki, Houston police will pump bullets first at point blank range and then talk later. And guess what, unlike the case where an SDRE cop in J&K or elsewhere in India did that against a p!sfull, even the most die-hard libtrad in US will raise a little finger and accuse US of 'human rights' violation. Thats how solid US nationalism is. Of course, not to venture into wild bogus conspiracy theories where there are none, if the US deep state itself would like to see an attack on ModiJi, then of course all bets are off.

So bottom line, Pakis, Khalistanis and other assorted ModiJi Hindu haters will make some noise but that is it. CNN/NYT/WP etc might do some equal equal and drown out the importance of India and ModiJi's address, but who knows, if Trump bahadur announces something big beyond photo ops, like say reversing his decision to withdraw preferential trade status to India, that may make headlines. But otherwise I expect scant or at best equal equal routine coverage in US media.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 20 Sep 2019 23:33

I can't tell by googling whether buses would be arranged to help bring attendees to the venue due to flooding. Islamics buses have taken over Google results. I wonder if it's too late for them to arrange for school buses.

Has anyone heard if they are arranging buses to take it to NRG for attendees? Many streets and areas would not be drivable for smaller vehicles.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Sep 2019 00:14

Th people protesting this are primarily RAPE's and these protests are highly organized by assorted paki organizations in the US. These people are very careful to project an outwardly progressive, "champions of human rights" appearance that melts the hearts of libtards in the US who are always on the lookout for "progressive Muslim" posterboys and girls to shove in the faces of the supposedly anti-Muslim rightwing in the US. The pakis play these idiots like a fiddle. There will be no AoA sloganeering or overtly Islamic placards etc. The entire protest will be geared towards showing Modi as a Muslim hating Hindoo-nationalist who is subjugating the poor defenceless Kashmiri Muslims and trying to equate him with Trump and "fascists" in the US right-wing. This will immediately attract various NYTimes and Vox associated libtards on the side of the protesters.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Sep 2019 00:28

CRamS wrote:So bottom line, Pakis, Khalistanis and other assorted ModiJi Hindu haters will make some noise but that is it. CNN/NYT/WP etc might do some equal equal and drown out the importance of India and ModiJi's address, but who knows, if Trump bahadur announces something big beyond photo ops, like say reversing his decision to withdraw preferential trade status to India, that may make headlines. But otherwise I expect scant or at best equal equal routine coverage in US media.

One needs to go beyond the obvious to understand Modi.

Trump/Modi together at the reception of the INDIAN Prime minister by Indian-American community have message for a spectrum of people. In descending order of importance.

1. Within Kashmir. The idea is to convince them that the world has forgotten them and will go to lengths to please Modi. If they/their brithar Bakistan cannot swing US away from India there is no hope for them.
2. For bakistani apduls. Show them that they are really alone in their quest for Kashmir and spread more FUD amongst them.
3. A message around the globe to leaders/counties from Asia to Europe to Africa to Latin America on the rising profile of India. Every such boost results is India's bargaining position increasing, even if only slightly, in general with every other country.
4. A message to China especially before the next Modi/Xi talks.
5. A message for the spectrum of India-watchers, BOTH Modi-haters and Modi-pasand, within America itself. This includes Indian-American community itself 'cause this will increase their political profile within US by a couple of notches too!
6. Lastly, with the Indian public but this is the least important. Modi already enjoys huge credibility inside India.

We need to realize that there exists a whole world outside of the "US Media".

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Sep 2019 00:30

darshan wrote:I can't tell by googling whether buses would be arranged to help bring attendees to the venue due to flooding. Islamics buses have taken over Google results. I wonder if it's too late for them to arrange for school buses.

Has anyone heard if they are arranging buses to take it to NRG for attendees? Many streets and areas would not be drivable for smaller vehicles.

My guess is that with GOI and US government backing this event all options would be explored to make the event a grand success. Best to check the Howdy Modi website.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Sep 2019 00:49

I just spoke to one of the organizers from Ekal Vidyalaya (through whom I got my pass) here in my city, Dallas, TX, and he tells me that only few seats remaining in the buses from Dallas. So anyone going from Dallas by bus, move quick, you should be able to get the bus#s from Howdy Modi web site. I don't want to give any # here lest some Paki play some rope trick. Also, weather seems to be clearing up, and in any case, event is inside the NRG stadium. My problem would be to find parking near the venue

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 21 Sep 2019 01:09

Yes, I too am traveling from Dallas but I am driving myself, planning on driving tomorrow afternoon. IANT is the organization thru whom I got my pass. Most of the buses are starting from locations familiar to the community.

Reached out to my cousin in Houston, the rains have stopped. The schools are closed today due to the stagnant water. But should clear up by Sunday morning.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 21 Sep 2019 01:51

Hopefully streets clear up and many planning to arrive by cars will be there.

Not sure if it was picked up here before, in the NRG park complex a smaller event of gun show will also be happening. Lot of Trump supporters should be there if he does show up.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 21 Sep 2019 02:19

darshan wrote:Hopefully streets clear up and many planning to arrive by cars will be there.

Not sure if it was picked up here before, in the NRG park complex a smaller event of gun show will also be happening. Lot of Trump supporters should be there if he does show up.

Kinda scary with gun nuts around. Lots of people in Texas have AR-15s or semi-automatic rifles. It’s not uncommon.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Sep 2019 02:31

mappunni wrote:Yes, I too am traveling from Dallas but I am driving myself, planning on driving tomorrow afternoon. IANT is the organization thru whom I got my pass. Most of the buses are starting from locations familiar to the community.

Reached out to my cousin in Houston, the rains have stopped. The schools are closed today due to the stagnant water. But should clear up by Sunday morning.

Mappunni, awesome, let meet sometime. We might even bump into each other at NRG. Also, we could possibly organize a BR meet in Dallas.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Sep 2019 02:46

My biggest concern is that Trump (being a tone-deaf moron focused entirely on aggrandizing self-promotion) will come to the event stage and blurt out some sentence with the words "Cash-mere... Paggy-Stan...Mediation".

The moment this happens, it will become the ENTIRE story.

Imran will jump on it to save his neck from the lamp-post, claiming that HE personally was able to influence Trump and pour cold water on Modi's triumphal reception. The Usual 90% of Indian Media will pick it up and India's sickular opposition will use it as a stick to beat Modi sarkar with (just like Trump's mention of Mediation during his presser with Imran earlier this year).

DG-ISPR (overtly) and ISI (covertly) will use it to revive the fast-fading hopes of Hurry-rat and Jamaat types in Kashmir Valley. Currently, these separatist types are increasingly disappointed that zero "internationalization" has been achieved even after 45 days of noise-making.

The US/UK-based Paki/Khalistani separatists will get a major shot in the arm. Even though they will have had NOTHING to do with any comment Trump makes or does not make at the NRG Center, they will be quick to claim that Trump mentioned Mediation/Cash-mere because of THEIR brave grass-root (grass-fed?) efforts at demonstrating and creating public awareness of "human-rights violations and atrocities by Nazi Indian Govt". The NYTimes, CNN, BBC, Washington Post types will amplify such claims by the Paki/Khalistani separatists (for their own bigoted reasons and political agendas). Net net, the Paki/Khali cutout organizations will gain visibility and credibility they never deserved, and acquire a lot more funding as a result.

Let us hope Trump, for once, confines himself to saying the right things.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 21 Sep 2019 02:53

India Prime Minister Modi faces Houston federal lawsuit for alleged human rights abuses in Kashmir

Gabrielle Banks Sep. 19, 2019 Updated: Sep. 20, 2019 11:45 a.m.

source: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/h ... 453957.php

A pair of Kashmiri citizens sued the prime minister of India in federal court Thursday ahead of his much-anticipated arrival in Houston, alleging that his unilateral annexation Aug. 5 of their homeland caused the detention, disappearance and deaths of their loved ones amid ongoing repression.

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The civil complaint accuses the Indian head of state of human rights violations under the The Torture Victim Protection Act of 1991, a federal statute that allows civil suits on U.S. soil against foreign officials suspected of committing torture or extrajudicial killing.

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The two unnamed litigants in the Modi lawsuit are U.S. based Kashmiris. Their New York attorney, from an organization called the Kashmir Khalistan Referendum Front, plans to submit the case as a class action.

“We want to hold a human rights violator like Modi accountable,” said Gurpatwant Singh Pannu, whose group is focused on a right to self determination campaign for the state of Punjab. Since the annexation this summer the campaign has been advocating on behalf of the people of Kashmir.

“He can only escape if he has been granted immunity by the U.S. Department of State,” Pannu said. “Otherwise, the facts and the law are on the side of the victim.”

Pannu said Modi and the two other officials do not enjoy an automatic immunity. The U.S. State Department typically intervenes in such cases to ask the judge to grant officials immunity from civil lawsuits.

Pannu said he is working with process servers to deliver Modi the court summons before he leaves the “Howdy Modi” event at NRG Stadium on Sunday. If that doesn’t work Pannu’s team will try again in New York when Modi visits an awards ceremony at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation or during his scheduled visit to see statutes of Mahatma Gandhi.

Gabrielle Banks covers federal court for the Houston Chronicle. Follow her on Twitter and send her tips at [email protected].

[email protected]

Meet the man trying to take Narendra Modi to US court
By Devjyot GhoshalSeptember 26, 2014

source: https://qz.com/271834/the-man-trying-to ... -us-court/

Before India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, touches down in New York City today for the United Nations General Assembly, a New York lawyer has sued him in US court. The lawsuit (PDF) filed yesterday holds Modi and the Indian government “responsible for the deaths of thousands of people” in clashes between Hindus and Muslims in the Gujarat riots of 2002.

Modi has 21 days to respond to a summons from the Federal Court of the Southern District of New York, Reuters reports. The lawsuit seeks compensatory and punitive damages from Modi for crimes against humanity and extrajudicial killings under the Alien Tort Claims Act and the Torture Victim Protection Act.

The lawyer who filed the suit, Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, has a long history of trying to take Indian political leaders to court in the US. He has also sued Modi’s predecessor, Manmohan Singh, and the opposition Congress Party’s president, Sonia Gandhi.

In the case against Modi, Pannun is representing the American Justice Center, a new organization described in Indian press reports as a human rights nonprofit. He said he is only involved as the attorney, and isn’t a part of the organization, which he said was established “very recently” with the intention of filing this case, and subsequently taking up lawsuits on behalf of other religious minorities in India. Quartz has not been able to reach the organization at press time.

Key organiser of ‘Referendum 2020’ London event was a petty criminal in India till 1992
Aug 08, 2018 09:15 IST
Ravinder Vasudeva
Hindustan Times, Chandigarh

source: https://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/k ... 3VTlN.html

Paramjit Singh Pamma, who is under the watch of Indian agencies for organising pro-Khalistan event ‘Referendum 2020’ at Trafalgar Square in London on August 12, was a petty criminal in India till 1992.

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As per a dossier sent by the Indian authorities to the UK government to extradite Pamma, he visited Pakistan on numerous occasions and became the main fundraiser of the Babbar Khalsa International (BKI).

Initially, Pamma was close to Pakistan-based Wadhawa Singh – Babbar Khalsa International (BKI) terrorist but later he joined hands with Khalistan Tiger Force (KTF) chief Jagtar Singh Tara, one of the assassins of former Punjab chief minister Beant Singh.

In 2000, Pamma was arrested for an alleged terrorist activity by the UK police while he was returning from Pakistan after receiving terror training and was entering England via Germany. He was sent to 30 months in jail as he was active member of BKI which was declared a “proscribed” organisation.

“But he tendered apology and was released after 13 months. He got settled in Birmingham and drives a van,” reveals the dossier.

Why India wants him?

Pamma is wanted in India as the main conspirator of killing Rashtriya Sikh Sangat’s (an RSS offshoot) Punjab chief Rulda Singh in July 2009. For this, Pamma had handpicked UK-based Gursharan Singh and Piara Singh to carry out the shooting. The UK police though arrested Pamma in this case in 2010 and their special team visited Patiala to find Pamma’s role in the case but he was released.

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Portugal connection with Pannu

As India has issued a red corner notice against Pamma, the Portugal police nabbed him from a hotel where he was staying with his family. It was here where he came in contact with the mastermind of Referendum 2020 and self-styled human rights advocacy group ‘Sikhs for Justice’ (SFJ) head Gurpatwant Singh Pannu.

“Pannu collected funds for Pamma’s release from pro-Khalistani people in the UK and countries and managed a battery of lawyers to ensure Pamma is not extradited to India. Here, they became close associates and they have collected money to run the pro-Khalistan movement,” a senior police official said.

The Punjab Police officials claimed that Pamma is blatantly engaged in anti-India activities in the UK, which are in clear violation of the guidelines for asylum seekers in that country.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Sep 2019 02:54

Rudradev wrote:My biggest concern is that Trump (being a tone-deaf moron focused entirely on aggrandizing self-promotion) will come to the event stage and blurt out some sentence with the words "Cash-mere... Paggy-Stan...Mediation".

This is exactly what I told a friend of mine who will be attending the event. Trump can't help himself. He is just that clueless about international diplomacy and completely focused on self-aggrandizement as you said. That is why I was happier before Trump announced that he will be a part of it. Whenever Trump is a part of anything, he just HAS to be the entire story. He will not accept anything less. His mentality was perfectly captured on video when he pushed aside the PM of Montenegro to get in front of the pack during the NATO summit.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Sep 2019 02:56

Every-time Trump spoke on Kashmir/Mediation was in response to a question. The format itself make that that path very very unlikely though not impossible.

My only worry is about the scheduling of the speeches. Indian-American will be there to hear Modi and not Trump. Trump himself does not seem to have any patience of hearing out a Modi speech of an hour. So how will it all work out?

1. Perhaps Trump will get his 15 minutes and depart leaving Modi with the Indian-Americans.
2. Perhaps Modi will shorten his speech to 30 minutes and then Trump will arrive for his 15 minutes.
3. Perhaps Trump will stay with Modi till the end not matter who goes first.

Looks awkward to schedule.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Sep 2019 02:56

Rudradev wrote: ...
Let us hope Trump, for once, confines himself to saying the right things.

Trump seems to be going through a phase of clear thinking. He showed a lot of restraint in his two pressers - one unofficial which is followed by the official one - with the Australian.

Let us hope that continues and he doesn't commit a faux-paw.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Sep 2019 03:02

The key is that the format was a "presser". Howdy Modi is NOT a press meet. He might do/say things after the event but that anyways is beyond India's control.

Lets not mix formats.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 21 Sep 2019 03:22

Here we go. This is what Howdy Modi is about. Tellurium is one of 3 sponsors of the event.

Report: Tellurian to sign $2.5 billion deal with India's Petronet LNG

kit · Post by **kit** » 21 Sep 2019 03:26

nachiket wrote:
Rudradev wrote:My biggest concern is that Trump (being a tone-deaf moron focused entirely on aggrandizing self-promotion) will come to the event stage and blurt out some sentence with the words "Cash-mere... Paggy-Stan...Mediation".
This is exactly what I told a friend of mine who will be attending the event. Trump can't help himself. He is just that clueless about international diplomacy and completely focused on self-aggrandizement as you said. That is why I was happier before Trump announced that he will be a part of it. Whenever Trump is a part of anything, he just HAS to be the entire story. He will not accept anything less. His mentality was perfectly captured on video when he pushed aside the PM of Montenegro to get in front of the pack during the NATO summit.

hope it doesnt become Howdy Trump

kit · Post by **kit** » 21 Sep 2019 03:26

Mort Walker wrote:Here we go. This is what Howdy Modi is about. Tellurium is one of 3 sponsors of the event.

Report: Tellurian to sign $2.5 billion deal with India's Petronet LNG

as business as usual

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 21 Sep 2019 03:31

pankajs wrote:The key is that the format was a "presser". Howdy Modi is NOT a press meet. He might do/say things after the event but that anyways is beyond India's control.

Lets not mix formats.

Correct. Rudradev is hanging around with CramS too much.
Anyway, Texas governor Gregg Abott and US Senator Jon Cornyn will be at the event too. My guess is this is too good of an event for Trump to pass with 50,000 people. He should mouth the right words if he wants campaign contributions as the Democrats running for office all look unviable except for Tulsi.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Sep 2019 03:43

Not really sure how "this is not a presser" is supposed to make a difference.

The guy is notorious, even at public speaking events with no Q&A format, for going off script and bloviating extempor with whatever pops into his mouth.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Sep 2019 04:22

RD, How about we look a facts and park our views for a moment?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Sep 2019 04:37

Mort Walker wrote:Here we go. This is what Howdy Modi is about. Tellurium is one of 3 sponsors of the event.

Report: Tellurian to sign $2.5 billion deal with India's Petronet LNG

As part of of its environmental goals, India is building new LNG import terminals and expanding the number of natural gas pipelines to encourage the use of cleaner fuel, Reuters reported.

This is interesting at two levels.

1. Money: $2.5 billion investment is nothing to scoff at.

2. Public perception of DJT being anti-climate change: The connection to the two pressers today is that DJT and Australian talked about Environmental Impact. Through this deal, India is promoting the use of clean fuel by putting money where India's mouth is. Similarly, DJT was praising Australia for their progress is "safe mining of coal" with robotics and other means. It is not a coincidence that DJT wants to look good on the "environment front" given that a large number of protests that are taking/have taken place across the globe today - NYC, UCB, Sydney, and many European cities.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 21 Sep 2019 04:44

CRamS wrote:Anmol, whatever spin we might want to give, the hyphen between India and TSP in US eyes is alive and kicking. Just read that transcript. The question was about his meeting with Indian PM. And Trump brings in TSP. And no words about India US relations which is what the Indian side is focused. No doubt its US interests from PoV, India TSP equal equal, and thats why he had to bring in TSP.

Saar, why do you worry about equal equal?
To say India = Pakistan looks more and more ludicrous as days go by and the future will make that even more apparent. There may be US officials who try to use that to blackmail Modi but he is too clever to fall for these tricks.
At the end, what US does alone matters. Judge them by their actions, not by words. From what I can tell, US relationship with India is getting better and with Pak it is getting worse.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 21 Sep 2019 05:11

Rudradev wrote:My biggest concern is that Trump (being a tone-deaf moron focused entirely on aggrandizing self-promotion) will come to the event stage and blurt out some sentence with the words "Cash-mere... Paggy-Stan...Mediation".

The moment this happens, it will become the ENTIRE story.

Imran will jump on it to save his neck from the lamp-post, claiming that HE personally was able to influence Trump and pour cold water on Modi's triumphal reception.

Rdevji the Texas connection is something special, when Narsimha Rao came to US in '94 and addressed both houses when India was rilled for human rights violations ityadi , ityadi and remember during that time we were very weak . Narsimha Rao in his speech bought out case of Texas in his speech in his speech quoted US Supreme Court judgement on Texas that "when a state sign instrument of accession it is indissoluble", and reminded them that they went to wars with Mexico in 1830 over Texas. So Hats off to PVN Rao to bringing this up and showing mirror to the world at that time.

If Trump brings Kashmir , all modi has to do is remind him where he is making that speech from.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 21 Sep 2019 05:13

KJo wrote:
CRamS wrote:Anmol, whatever spin we might want to give, the hyphen between India and TSP in US eyes is alive and kicking. Just read that transcript. The question was about his meeting with Indian PM. And Trump brings in TSP. And no words about India US relations which is what the Indian side is focused. No doubt its US interests from PoV, India TSP equal equal, and thats why he had to bring in TSP.
Saar, why do you worry about equal equal?
To say India = Pakistan looks more and more ludicrous as days go by and the future will make that even more apparent. There may be US officials who try to use that to blackmail Modi but he is too clever to fall for these tricks.
At the end, what US does alone matters. Judge them by their actions, not by words. From what I can tell, US relationship with India is getting better and with Pak it is getting worse.

True dat. Equal equal looked bad for India till about 10 years ago when the differential between India and Pakistan was not so great on a per-capita level. Now, an attempt at equal-equal is not to be feared that much because it only makes the Pakis, and the person attempting the equal-equal look ridiculous.