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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Yagnasri » 06 Nov 2019 15:18

But the news outlets which are pro Jagan is saying that CS is not properly conducting admin and is stopping CM work. He brought an lady IAS officer from GoI to replace the CS. It may be possible that the new one is a EJ.

New outlets are saying that the Praveen is a honest person etc etc and all fault is there with CS only.

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Postby Karthik S » 06 Nov 2019 19:20

Could anyone who can read translate what's written.

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Postby ShyamSP » 06 Nov 2019 20:09

Karthik S wrote:Could anyone who can read translate what's written.


On cake it says:
LV [Subramanyam] downed/defeated/ousted/gone
Subbu [LV Subramanyam] get out
[It is] Christian victory
E JM [E Jerusalem Muthaih]

Close translation for News:
Christian groups are happy for transferring Government Chief Secy LV.
It is result of Christian prayers and they celebrated with cake cutting. It is victory of Chrisitan prayers said Jerusalem Muthaiah, President of All-India Dalit Christian groups Union and Christian religion protection Association.
They thanked Chief Minister.
LV made anti-constitutional remarks. He passed GOs that are anti-secular, anti-Dalit, and revengeful of Christians.
He ordered to collect affidavits from Dalits employees who are Hindu-friendly and has been working for many years.
Police searched Christian houses and made them fearful.
By transferring RSS and BJP agent LV to some useless post they restored Dalit self-pride, self-respect and fulfilled Ambedkar's desires.
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Postby Karthik S » 06 Nov 2019 20:13

ShyamSP wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Could anyone who can read translate what's written.


It says:
LV [Subramanyam] downed/defeated/ousted/gone
Subbu [LV Subramanyam] get out
[It is] Christian victory
E JM [E Jerusalem Muthaih]


The Telugu part I meant.

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Postby Rony » 06 Nov 2019 20:24

The "Dalit" Christian pastor Jerusalem Mathaiah who is mentioned in the above report cutting cake and celebrating the removal of LV subramanyam calling him an RSS agent and taking credit for his removal is also the same Christian pastor who was accused in the note for vote scam. Then the allegations against him was that it was through this Christian pastor that CBN tried to bribe the TRS nominated MLA Stephenson. Just shows how the rot is deep in both regional parties whether its YSRCP or TDP. Its the same actors behind the scenes.

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Postby Karthik S » 06 Nov 2019 20:38

How come these people have gained so much influence? Is it money power along with demographic? Or just the later? It's astonishing.

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Postby ShyamSP » 06 Nov 2019 20:41

ShyamSP wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Could anyone who can read translate what's written.


On cake it says:
LV [Subramanyam] downed/defeated/ousted/gone
Subbu [LV Subramanyam] get out
[It is] Christian victory
E JM [E Jerusalem Muthaih]

Close translation for News:
Christian groups are happy for transferring Government Chief Secy LV.
It is result of Christian prayers and they celebrated with cake cutting. It is victory of Chrisitan prayers said Jerusalem Muthaiah, President of All-India Dalit Christian groups Union and Christian religion protection Association.
They thanked Chief Minister.
LV made anti-constitutional remarks. He passed GOs that are anti-secular, anti-Dalit, and revengeful of Christians.
He ordered to collect affidavits from Dalits employees who are Hindu-friendly and has been working for many years.
Police searched Christian houses and made them fearful.
By transferring RSS and BJP agent LV to some useless post they restored Dalit self-pride, self-respect and fulfilled Ambedkar's desires.

I referred this video mentioning a Pastor's worry in the past - viewtopic.php?p=2383664#p2383664

Cake cutting celebration is visible expression of Angst of separating Dalits and Christians via conversion bills/GOs/Census process. Muthaiah like Characters now have to choose between Dalit identity (to keep SC reservation) or Christian identity (to lose SC reservation) instead of parading Dalit-Christian identity

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Postby ShyamSP » 06 Nov 2019 20:51

Karthik S wrote:How come these people have gained so much influence? Is it money power along with demographic? Or just the later? It's astonishing.


YCP votebanks from last elections are Reddy (75%) SC (60%) ST (80%). EJ-funded Christian groups influence SC and ST votebanks and "Christian Reddy" CM political coterie influence Reddy votebanks. Money and demographics are there. On top it, BJP has been "enabling" YCP so "appearance of National" political power is there. This LV Subramanyam was brought in to AP before elections to help YCP.
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Postby ramana » 06 Nov 2019 20:55

What % of the population is the YCP votebank?

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Postby ShyamSP » 06 Nov 2019 21:04

ramana wrote:What % of the population is the YCP votebank?


20-25% solid votebank is there.

Hidden thing going on is YCP government is doing survey of the lands to take over and convert to house plots for mainly SC/ST votebanks for future-proofing votebanks. They are asking all vote-bank family members (4-6) to apply for new housing.

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Postby Karthik S » 06 Nov 2019 21:35

ShyamSP wrote:
ramana wrote:What % of the population is the YCP votebank?


20-25% solid votebank is there.

Hidden thing going on is YCP government is doing survey of the lands to take over and convert to house plots for mainly SC/ST votebanks for future-proofing votebanks. They are asking all vote-bank family members (4-6) to apply for new housing.


Shouldn't it be more if X alone are 20% of the state?

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Postby OmkarC » 06 Nov 2019 23:41

Yagnasri wrote:But the news outlets which are pro Jagan is saying that CS is not properly conducting admin and is stopping CM work. He brought an lady IAS officer from GoI to replace the CS. It may be possible that the new one is a EJ.

New outlets are saying that the Praveen is a honest person etc etc and all fault is there with CS only.


Turf wars apparently existed, but such things could be resolved by talking things out, not by such a drastic measure. Apparently, Jagan's mother, sister & bro-in-law are all rabid Hindu hating EJs and they wanted CS out because of some recent steps he took:

- Tried to stop the practice of printing govt facilities for Jerusalem trips, on RTC bus tickets of Tirumala bound buses.

- The GO banning non-Hindus from working at Tirumala was apparently sent out by him w/o consulting CMO (I had actually posted it a while back saying its the most pro-Hindu decision that even BJP couldnt take till date, apparently it wasn't Jagan but his CS who was responsible for it).

- Held meetings in his own capacity with TTD officials to review the implementation of the above GO

No wonder these "Dalit Christians" are celebrating his ouster wildly.

Salivating over the possibility of controlling Tirumala and doing what they want without anyone questioning them.

With folks like LVS out of the way, perhaps they will have Bible distribution ceremonies on Tirumala hill while Hindus hold on to their fake caste-pride and busy fighting each other.

AP is on course to becoming the Nagaland of South India if things continue this way.

My suggestion - Modi/Shah need to step in and declare Tirupati/Tirumala as UTs and ban religious conversions/non-Hindus from entering or working there.

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Postby Yagnasri » 07 Nov 2019 09:36

The other problem is the caste of Mr Subramanyam. He is a Brahman. To counter him Jagan brought Ramana Dikshithulu as adviser to TTD ( not as a Vamsaparamparya archaka as he was promised before) So YSRC do not want to appear it is attacking brahmins.

Bro in Law of Jagan is "Brother" Anil Kumar a hardcore EJ (Brahmin convert) said to have collected thousands of crores during YSR rule for conversion purpose. That fellow is not openly doing conversion things now. So they are playing this game carefully at this time.

But TDP backed MSM which is in fact most of the MSM in Telugu is going to town on this just to attack Jagan. While TDP is not friend of Hindus and as bad as Jagan gang it is allowing media controlled by it do this attacks.

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Postby wasu » 07 Nov 2019 10:58

https://twitter.com/sriramusai/status/1 ... 65760?s=19

Translation: Forget AP. Past 4 days traveling here (Kakinada, Annavaram (Major temple), Pithapuram area). RoL everywhere. Boards, Hoarding, Festivals everywhere. Can't do this without Govt support.

It is in plain sight now for anybody traveling in AP now a days. One can only hope that these guys go really over board and the backlash starts from general public. Nothing else will stop these guys at this point. They feel completely above law with Jagan at the helm.

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Postby Yagnasri » 07 Nov 2019 11:09

wasu wrote:https://twitter.com/sriramusai/status/1190655608594165760?s=19
They feel completely above law with Jagan at the helm.
This feeling started in CBN time itself. Now it is full flow. Gulte fellows are slowly realising what their stupidity is doing to them.

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Postby ShyamSP » 07 Nov 2019 11:24

Yagnasri wrote:
wasu wrote:https://twitter.com/sriramusai/status/1190655608594165760?s=19
They feel completely above law with Jagan at the helm.
This feeling started in CBN time itself. Now it is full flow. Gulte fellows are slowly realising what their stupidity is doing to them.


Devadaya Shaka (Temple Ministry) was held by BJP person during CBN time, nothing was done however as Minister he had ability to change some simple rules to give control to Hindus. Simple thing is Central Government can remove state governments to control temples in the name of same "secularism". Once you remove temples from Government control Hindus can use money for various religious purposes. Currently it is very difficult to take help from or even talk to bigger temples for some Agamic procedures as they are in Government control and EOs feel like they are kings of empires.
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Postby ShyamSP » 07 Nov 2019 11:32

AP is going to dogs from another aspect also, Looks like current Government is planning to kill Telugu by going to all English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85JI2MLFe3E

Worst thing India did was not getting rid of Colonialism induced slave mindset, Colonial institutions and education. Slave Nation is no Nation.

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Postby Rony » 13 Nov 2019 09:54

If BJP and TDP come together again, will vote transfer happen this time considering how viscous and third class TDP propaganda has been towards BJP and particularly Modi and Shah before elections. Will TDP people (who still hate Modi and Shah) vote BJP and will BJP people will vote again for TDP ?

BJP and Janasena shouldnt be a problem. Unlike that third class CBN and his TDP people, Pawan Kalyan and Janasena people did not target Modi or Shah personally.

BJP has no chance in AP in short to medium term. But CBN needs Central BJP support to protect him from Jagan and is desperate. I personally think BJP should not give Naidu a rope. I was one of the harcore TDP fan not long ago. But their cheap and vicious propaganda and lies against BJP and Modi made even people like me abhor them.


Not permanent foes: Naidu who renounced BJP inches back towards them ?

In this backdrop, Telangana Today on November 4 carried a report stating Naidu had met RSS chief Mohan Madhukar Bhagwat in Nagpur, requesting for his intervention in building bridges between his party and the BJP.

In an interaction during the election campaign in Rajahmundry this year, Pawan told this writer that Amit Shah had asked him to join the BJP by merging his party. The long march had earned him monikers such as “B-team” and foster son of Chandrababu Naidu. Asked why the Left parties, which were Jana Sena’s allies in 2019, stayed away from the long march, CPI state secretary K Ramakrishna said they received feedback about Pawan getting close to the BJP.

The BJP’s plans to eat into the TDP’s base and fill the opposition’s space in Andhra Pradesh looks ambitious and something near-impossible, in the face of public anger that it faced during the elections over denial of Special Category Status. The vote share of 0.84%, the saffron party polled in the elections is an all-time low regardless of the Modi wave on which it rode to power elsewhere.

Vikram Poola, a political commentator, told TNM that it’s a herculean task for the BJP with a meagre vote share to counter its ideological rival Jagan Mohan Reddy. Although during the elections Amit Shah had stated that the BJP had permanently shut doors on the TDP, however some sections within the party view Naidu as a partner they can go do business with and it should have the party back on board.

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Postby Sachin » 13 Nov 2019 12:36

SC to pronounce verdict on Sabarimala, Rafale case on Thursday.
Report reads..The Supreme Court will pronounce its verdict on the review petition filed against the entry of women to Sabarimala on Thursaday. The review petitions against the verdict were taken up 'in-chamber' by a bench of Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi and Justices R F Nariman, A M Khanwilkar,D Y Chandrachud and Indu Malhotra.

My understanding is that tomorrow; the court will NOT decide whether the review petitions have to be considered or not. The review petitions have all been accepted by the court registrar. It would be giving out a new verdict based on the additional pleas put forward in the review petitions. This verdict will confirm if the old verdict stays, or an amended/changed verdict would be issued afresh.

Came back to say: Justices Rohington Nariman, DY Chandrachud, AN Khanwilkar are also part of the bench which heard the review petitions along with Chief Justic Ranjan Gogoi. So for a change in the verdict; at least one of the three judges part of the earlier bench would have to go back on their earlier stance.

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Postby Dileep » 13 Nov 2019 14:36

The review petitions and a few other related petitions are admitted and heard in open court (not in chamber) on 6th February, and kept pending to give a verdict, which is posted for tomorrow 10:30. The following are the possibilities:

1. No change in the verdict. This is the most probable outcome. The court is expected to give some directive statements / clarifications on the implementation of the verdict. The options for these are:
a) The verdict is 'directive' in nature. ie the state govt is required to facilitate entry of any women who apply for. There is 50% likelihood for this.
b) The verdict is not directive, ie the state govt can treat this like a civil matter, where they can send back the women by citing 'possible law and order problem' (they do this till last month due to elections). There is a 45% chance for this.
c) The verdict is only guidance principle, where the govt is advised not to force the issue on devotees. Very little chance for this.
d) No clear directive to the govt. Very little chance for this either.

2. Kicks the can down the road by deciding a new trial by a bigger bench. There is some possibility to this option.

3. Issue a new verdict that negates or significantly weakens the current one. Unlikely.

The general feeling in the media is that there is going to be considerable relief to the devotees, based on the RJB verdict. My take is different.

Their Honors will throw Lord Ayyappa under the bus as antidote to the unsikular verdict on RJB onlee


ie my call is option 1 a above.

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Postby Dileep » 13 Nov 2019 14:45

Hon. Mr. Justice D Y Chandrachud has cancelled his court today. Speculation is that he will be doing the finishing touches to the verdict. Did the same thing before RJB too.

Now, Hon. Justice has already mentioned publicly that he got 'vile threats' wrto Sabarimala verdict and said that he stood by his verdict, adding that the Sabarimala’s temple practice of keeping out women was tantamount to untouchability, and a travesty to their constitutional rights which guarantee the right to freedom of worship.

So, it is kind of clear where this is going.

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Postby Sachin » 13 Nov 2019 15:35

Dileep wrote:Their Honors will throw Lord Ayyappa under the bus as antidote to the unsikular verdict on RJB onlee

To be frank (and I am very cynical); I feel that this is what may happen. Hizzoners are smart to know that a RJB verdict going wrong will have a pan-India impact (with their own home states getting hit) where as Lord Ayyappa and the problems are localised to one state. And that state also does not have a good Hindu majority, and L&O problems can be limited to a certain extent (with a communist government and a communaly polarised police force as well).

The verdict is not directive, ie the state govt can treat this like a civil matter, where they can send back the women by citing 'possible law and order problem' (they do this till last month due to elections). There is a 45% chance for this.

Even the current verdict is NOT directive in nature. All what SC did was to annull a single clause in a Rule. That single clause allowed women who violated the tradition to be prosecuted. The verdict did not say that women have to be taken up the temple with band baaja. That idea was from the north malabar & pseudo-secular lobby in Kerala. But where as there are lots of provisions which can be used to stop any one from doing any act which causes L&O problems (Sec. 144 of Cr.PC itself is one such provision). A sensible government would have used such provisions to continue with the traditions of the Sabari Mala temple. But Kerala commies are a different species.

2. Kicks the can down the road by deciding a new trial by a bigger bench. There is some possibility to this option.

From what I understand; if such a thing happens the current verdict would be kept in abeyance till the case is heard afresh and a verdict comes from the larger bench.

Now, Hon. Justice has already mentioned publicly that he got 'vile threats' wrto Sabarimala verdict and said that he stood by his verdict

This itself should be the reason for another petition where it can be said that the judge is prejudiced.

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Postby Yagnasri » 13 Nov 2019 17:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQN8C0G ... Mk4DUcIlpQ

Discussion in AP on conversion. Remember ABN is a Pro TDP channel out and out.

But the openness of the discussions and other matters are slowly becoming unprecedented. At every point these matters are being discussed. One more thing is to remove Telugu medium from Government schools. This was also said to be done at the instance of Church so that the kids do not get exposed to any classical Telugu devotional poems etc.

Jagan by his actions and inaction is seriously exposing himself and his EJ supporters.

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Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 17:42

Yagnasri wrote:But the openness of the discussions and other matters are slowly becoming unprecedented. At every point these matters are being discussed. One more thing is to remove Telugu medium from Government schools. This was also said to be done at the instance of Church so that the kids do not get exposed to any classical Telugu devotional poems etc.

Not just exposure .. you read in english and you read english and you world view becomes english unless you make an effort. If you are english in thought you are already a half-convert. Rest will follow over time without effort.

One can see the impact of ONLY english education in our elites who, while not having converted, hate the Hindu way as regressive and take shelter in so called Secularism or Progressiveness or Liberalism or Feminism or Rationalism, all highly tainted -isms that have their roots in Abrahamism.

As self confessed mythologist reads distorted english translations of Indian itihas/puranas and has authored 40+ highly distorted books which is lapped up by english reading Indians and they absorb all the negative deviation in the text and grow up to be self-loathing Hindus. It is a self perpetuating cycle to which the only defense is local language education with english as a secondary subject.

Jagan has just attacked the foundation of the defense in Andhara but why just blame him. That trend has picked up across India, often promoted by Hindus themselves in the name of modern education and global job market. Modi too wants India to be the Skill suppliers of the world so obviously it is better for the project if children learn english and in english from a very young age.
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Postby ShyamSP » 13 Nov 2019 17:52

Also long-term plan is EJs from foreign lands, especially US, can directly speak in English with Televised and streaming EJ programs.

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Postby ShyamSP » 13 Nov 2019 17:56

Also x-post from other thread on the same subject. I'm still looking data for targets in actual numbers they are saying in speeches to do aggressive propagation.

ShyamSP wrote:
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This is something India has to monitor on activities of USCIRF, USAID, EJ-fronts, etc. Possible resurrection of aggressive money flows for conversions (Hindu-Chrisitan issue) while making propaganda noises on Kashmir (Hindu-Muslim issue)

In AP with new power, YCP-EJ and EJ leaders are all activated and aggressively promoting religion and conversions and setting targets for next Christmas (probably 2020) to reach with Suvartha Sabhas (Good News Stage Programs) with urgency for evangelism (there are some videos floating on it). YCP is actively robbing/emptying government money to give freebies to its vote banks, Govt salaries to pastors, and Govt salaries to party workers and using Government centers to promote religion. Maybe FCRA restrictions are limiting cash flows from EJ lands so they found alternatives of giving Government money directly.

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Postby Rony » 13 Nov 2019 17:56

Yagnasri wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQN8C0GqpkE&list=FLc8utaEoXKc5-Mk4DUcIlpQ
Discussion in AP on conversion. Remember ABN is a Pro TDP channel out and out.
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ABN channel MD Radha Krishna met Amit Shah some days back.The transformation happened after that. This is the same channel which spewed venom on Modi before elections including parroting paki CTs on Balakot.

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Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 18:01

I was giving example of Hindus who want to read Itihas/Puranas in english as an extreme case. Now just imagine if you are a book lover or a movie lover and you don't know you regional language, you will naturally pick up and english book or movie, all of which promote a version of Abhramism in one form or another.

The writer or the directors may themselves be non-religious but their environment or medium makes their content loaded with its vocabulary or meaning that is distinctly Abhramistic. E.g. How many of us have started to imitate the Abhramist in wishing a dead person "Rest in peace" just having watched/heard/read it in english to the extent that we use it even for Hindus when it is clearly wrong. That is how subtle the impact of language is even without overt conversion effort or propaganda.

Language is a window to another culture / way of thinking. Good to open it BUT only after a grounding in the local culture.

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Postby ShyamSP » 13 Nov 2019 18:07

pankajs wrote:...
Not just exposure .. you read in english and you read english and you world view becomes english unless you make an effort. If you are english in thought you are already a half-convert. Rest will follow over time without effort.

One can see the impact of ONLY english education in our elites who, while not having converted, hate the Hindu way as regressive and take shelter in so called Secularism or Progressiveness or Liberalism or Feminism or Rationalism, all highly tainted -isms that have their roots in Abrahamism.

As self confessed mythologist reads distorted english translations of Indian itihas/puranas and has authored 40+ highly distorted books which is lapped up by english reading Indians and they absorb all the negative deviation in the text and grow up to be self-loathing Hindus. It is a self perpetuating cycle to which the only defense is local language education with english as a secondary subject.

Jagan has just attacked the foundation of the defense in Andhara but why just blame him. That trend has picked up across India, often promoted by Hindus themselves in the name of modern education and global job market. Modi too wants India to be the Skill suppliers of the world so obviously it is better for the project if children learn english and in english from a very young age.


Not getting rid of English after Independence is fundamental failure of India and even now they are not working stopping. Even showing China as an example that you don't need English and can progress even very recent is not enough, people are stuck in US/English craze.

Central Government failed and is failing in this regard by making fuss about Hindi-pushing as national language and causing automatic push back from Tamilnadu, etc. They should first develop all S&T content in Sanskrit, Hindi and teachable content in major languages and make Hindi/Sanskrit as Link Language (instead of National language) and say No English. Reduce employment in English will automatically reverse the trend. Anyway, amount of jobs in US won't increase as they get pressure of providing jobs to locals as new technologies progress.
Just for 40K or so visa jobs whole billion people are self-defeating and living under Dhimmitude/Colonial mindset.

Otherwise India will continue to be third rate and third world country.

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Postby Yagnasri » 13 Nov 2019 18:29

As as BJP in AP is concerned I know it for a fact many voted to Jagan.Crazy. But true. The main reason is the fear of CBN winning again the continuing anti BJP activities. In fact the Telugu MSM was so much one sided it ensured that people are almost certain CBN will win. Even after votes are polled people were still thinking CBN will win.

CBN is desperately trying to make good for BJP. Rumor of meeting RSS Head were created to ensure the idea the both are coming together. But i think it is not going to happen.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 13 Nov 2019 18:37

Yagnasri wrote:As as BJP in AP is concerned I know it for a fact many voted to Jagan.Crazy. But true. The main reason is the fear of CBN winning again the continuing anti BJP activities. In fact the Telugu MSM was so much one sided it ensured that people are almost certain CBN will win. Even after votes are polled people were still thinking CBN will win.

CBN is desperately trying to make good for BJP. Rumor of meeting RSS Head were created to ensure the idea the both are coming together. But i think it is not going to happen.


CBN and the TDP may be floating trial balloons so as to lessen the political & social impact of such a meeting as and when (also if) such a meeting does take place.

CBN deserves all that he is getting and more.

dharmo rakshati rakshitah and ditto in decent politics

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 13 Nov 2019 20:21

chetak wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:As as BJP in AP is concerned I know it for a fact many voted to Jagan.Crazy. But true. The main reason is the fear of CBN winning again the continuing anti BJP activities. In fact the Telugu MSM was so much one sided it ensured that people are almost certain CBN will win. Even after votes are polled people were still thinking CBN will win.

CBN is desperately trying to make good for BJP. Rumor of meeting RSS Head were created to ensure the idea the both are coming together. But i think it is not going to happen.


CBN and the TDP may be floating trial balloons so as to lessen the political & social impact of such a meeting as and when (also if) such a meeting does take place.

CBN deserves all that he is getting and more.

dharmo rakshati rakshitah and ditto in decent politics


TDP got 40% share. If YCP falters TDP gets power due to vote shift. With <1% share BJP can at most be spoiler for TDP and Enabler for YCP just like in last elections. Except in twitter and media BJP is no where seen in real rural issues that are going on and not spilling any blood in working with people on those issues. BJP can't pick up any good share for next elections also but boost they gave is good enough for YCP to be bold in EJism/conversions and grabbing temple lands. They want to redistribute temple land Pattas(rights) to the tune of ~2 lakhs acres to poor which is code word for mostly converted batch. One retired IAS officer, like many BJP leaders, who was all supporting YCP is now cribbing about temple lands. Instead of "dharmo rakshati rakshitah", BJP enabled/is enabling Adharma (May be part of their strategy)

I don't know he met RSS is rumor or not but that back-channel is always there anyway.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 13 Nov 2019 21:14

ShyamSP wrote:
chetak wrote:
CBN and the TDP may be floating trial balloons so as to lessen the political & social impact of such a meeting as and when (also if) such a meeting does take place.

CBN deserves all that he is getting and more.

dharmo rakshati rakshitah and ditto in decent politics


TDP got 40% share. If YCP falters TDP gets power due to vote shift. With <1% share BJP can at most be spoiler for TDP and Enabler for YCP just like in last elections. Except in twitter and media BJP is no where seen in real rural issues that are going on and not spilling any blood in working with people on those issues. BJP can't pick up any good share for next elections also but boost they gave is good enough for YCP to be bold in EJism/conversions and grabbing temple lands. They want to redistribute temple land Pattas(rights) to the tune of ~2 lakhs acres to poor which is code word for mostly converted batch. One retired IAS officer, like many BJP leaders, who was all supporting YCP is now cribbing about temple lands. Instead of "dharmo rakshati rakshitah", BJP enabled/is enabling Adharma (May be part of their strategy)

I don't know he met RSS is rumor or not but that back-channel is always there anyway.


It is not a matter of votes or vote share or even the BJP coming to power in AP, which it never will.

CBN has lost the perceived protection of being an ally of the center.

I suspect that this is what is really bothering him because it has allowed reddy to rough him up publicly without any fear and humiliate him repeatedly both personally and politically.

people in andhra will be the judges of whether CBN deserves this treatment or not.

If anyone asks me, I would say that CBN deserved it and more.

I just will not forget how this puny excuse for a politician treated a decent human being like ABA and the purposeful humiliations that CBN heaped on NDA-1

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 13 Nov 2019 22:52

TDP people support EJs when in power in the name of secularism and trying to balance EJ Jagan.
TDP people turn into opportunistic Hindutva people when in opposition to beat EJ Jagan.

BJP should maintain equidistant between EJ Jagan and Opportunistic TDP. It should forget about power for few years and build its Hindutva cadre like it did in rest of the country. Its a long term game. Currently AP BJP is divided between YSRCP coterie and TDP coterie batting for their respective parties interests. There are no BJPs own grass roots leaders or cadre.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby syam » 13 Nov 2019 23:23

TDP is as ej as they come. Just because jagan is out and out ej doesn't mean tdp fellows are less ej. In fact, more than ys, it was cbn who did more damage.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 13 Nov 2019 23:31

Rony wrote:TDP people support EJs when in power in the name of secularism and trying to balance EJ Jagan.
TDP people turn into opportunistic Hindutva people when in opposition to beat EJ Jagan.

BJP should maintain equidistant between EJ Jagan and Opportunistic TDP. It should forget about power for few years and build its Hindutva cadre like it did in rest of the country. Its a long term game. Currently AP BJP is divided between YSRCP coterie and TDP coterie batting for their respective parties interests. There are no BJPs own grass roots leaders or cadre.


There is a qualitative difference. TDP supported Christian leaders for votebanks which every party including BJP does to get. They never supported real EJs/conversions like YCP does where whole CM family (mother, wife, inlaws) except CM holds Suvartha Sabhas holding bibles

TDP learned before 2014 that majority Christian votebank goes with YCP so moved away from actively seeking other than its SC votebank. They however went for Muslim votebank this year but it didn't pull them a lot. Most surprising STs went 80+% with YCP which only means STs are also converted heavily without visibility outside.

YCP hit a sweet spot this year where Christian, Muslim, and Hindu including some upper/premium castes votebanks went with a bang for Suvartha of coming of Yesu Rajyam.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby syam » 13 Nov 2019 23:34

Better yesu rajyam than kamma rajyam.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 13 Nov 2019 23:38

syam wrote:Better yesu rajyam than kamma rajyam.


:eek: come to senses and don't troll this to caste discussion. You're embarrassing your and my username which stands for Dharma.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby syam » 13 Nov 2019 23:46

ShyamSP wrote::eek: come to senses and don't troll this to caste discussion. You're embarrassing your and my username which stands for Dharma.

What is dharma when only one caste benifits from every policy? Ask yourself if caste is important or the whole community. I want the farce to end as soon as possible. that's it. no personal offence to any good kamma guy.

intentional or not, at least ys eliminated naxal menace. his son voted on 370 removal bill. What big policy cbn can boast of except letting ejs into telugu land in first place?

there are enough pro-hindu press and cadres in ap. no need to feed some snakes.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 14 Nov 2019 00:16

syam wrote:
ShyamSP wrote::eek: come to senses and don't troll this to caste discussion. You're embarrassing your and my username which stands for Dharma.

What is dharma when only one caste benifits from every policy? Ask yourself if caste is important or the whole community. I want the farce to end. that's it. no personal offence to any good kamma guy.


Don't fall for hate propaganda. CBN built Hi-tech in Hyderabad who is getting benefits now, everyone. If you look Amaravati in caste angle I can't help it is your perception. People there gave 33K acres land voluntarily for Capital, respect that. If there is corruption, let controlling agencies jail them (unfortunately the mother-of-all-corruption king christian Jagan Reddy is still free and is CM now. what does that tell you)

Kamma, Reddy, Kapus, Velamas have been natural leaders for Dharma for last many centuries, at least after 1300 CE. Their dominance continues in modern times and areas. Dominance can be seen in even in Tamilnadu (Reddies started Apollo Hospitals or Kammas started Coimbature industries for example) or Karnataka (oops wasn't BJP that enabled/patronized mining corruption of Gali Reddy from Bellary?) where you can't say political patronage for "caste" benefits.

Also may be dissect BJP's contracts they give in many other states and center with many folds of money. It may not be "pure" also. If you have all facts from all state, please bring it. We can compare and contrast corruption levels and undue "benefits".

syam wrote:intentional or not, at least ys eliminated naxal menace. his son voted on 370 removal bill. What big policy cbn can boast of except letting ejs into telugu land in first place?


May be you seem to have less knowledge on those so first find history of those things we can discuss later.
370 bill may be voted up due to no other option, but genetically YCP is also INC as it is INC offshoot.


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