There U go
'Modaks' are being readied for the 'Mooshaks' to jump the ship!!!

and pappu's kerala vote bankRupesh wrote:Looks like the Shiv Sena has read everything wrong. They lack of behind-the-curtains planning and overconfidence did the the party in. Congress cannot afford to support SS, they will loose muslim votes to Owaisi.
Nidhi Razdan was tweeting the same thing. Pawar is a fellow who should be trusted by no one, especially his allies. Congis know his character very well and are always careful. Uddhav on the other hand is an idiot and Pawar is going to have him wrapped around his finger. He didn't deserve to have honest allies like the BJP. He will only realize their worth once Pawar is done destroying him.pankajs wrote:Just a while back, turdesai made an interesting observation on India Today live.
When the NCP has time till 8:30 pm why did it shoot the letter to the Gov. so early? Did Pawar calculate that it would allow the central cabinet to decide on the matter immediately!
The "natural ally" part is not so true anymore. SS has already milked Hindutva for whatever it was worth to them. Just like they milked anti-North Indian sentiment earlier. They discarded that when it couldn't get them votes anymore. And they will junk Hindutva too now because BJP has captured that space. What exactly does the SS have to offer to the voters? If they care about development BJP can do it better. Same with Hindutva. Plus you do not get a dynasty with BJP unlike SS. The Maratha votebank is with NCP and Cong. Same with Muslims. So what has the SS got left? The cadres knew this and were already unhappy with the alliance since they had seen their seat share remain stagnant or fall while BJP's grew. I think they have been ready for this split for a while now.CRamS wrote: And now in his latest press conf, he said they will patiently discuss govt formation and all options with NCP Cong. How pathetic. Could he not have toned down his expectations a bit, and negotiated an honorable exit from his high horse with his natural ally the BJP?
MUMBAI: 12 Nov 2019
HIGHLIGHTS
Bal Thackeray had said he would "never" align with Sharad Pawar's NCP
"I will not go along with a scoundrel, whoever he may be," he had said
The two had worked together during the 1982 textile workers' strike
As Shiv Sena chief Uddhav Thackeray desperately reached out to Congress president Sonia Gandhi and Nationalist Congress Party leader Sharad Pawar for support to form government in Maharashtra, videos and quotes of his father Bal Thackeray's caustic attacks on both parties were circulated online.
In an interview to NDTV in 1999, Bal Thackeray had used the term "scoundrel" while rejecting the possibility of any alliance with Sharad Pawar.
The Shiv Sena founder had been asked about the possibility of an alliance with his bitter rival.
"Possibility in politics...what? If at all it is said that it is a game of scoundrels, it is for a man to decide whether he wants to remain a gentleman or a scoundrel. If anybody's trying to become a scoundrel, then? But I will not go along with a scoundrel, whoever he may be," Thackeray senior said.
Mr Thackeray also declared that he would "never" align with Sharad Pawar's NCP.
"The man responsible for toppling the (BJP's) Atal Bihari Vajpayee-led government, how can we afford to shake hands with him? I will never at least. I will never."
"Sharad Pawar was the one who openly said to the press - 'yes, my responsibility was to topple the government. That I have done'. He's an expert in that. Knowing full well that he is the man (responsible) for the damage...think of the people, the voters. Will they tolerate it? They will say you are cheating us," said Bal Thackeray.
Despite the bitter comments, Mr Thackeray and Mr Pawar were close at one point, during the 1980s. They worked together during the 1982 textile workers' strike. The two fell out after Shiv Sena's Chhagan Bhujbal launched a campaign accusing Mr Pawar publicly of a corruption scam.
In 1995, Mr Thackeray's party defeated Sharad Pawar, then chief minister of a Congress government.
IIRC even for article 370 people voiced such opinion. Nothing is impossible to do if Modi/Shah set their minds to it.Kashi wrote:No party will dare do that.UlanBatori wrote:Is Greater Mumbai Great enough to become a UT I wonder.. just wondering of course.
Pawar seems to have worked out an understanding with Amit Shah to have the ED/CBI go slow on him and Ajit Pawar in lieu of him playing the double game and screwing the Shit Sena.pankajs wrote:Just a while back, turdesai made an interesting observation on India Today live.
When the NCP has time till 8:30 pm why did it shoot the letter to the Gov. so early? Did Pawar calculate that it would allow the central cabinet to decide on the matter immediately!
To which, its National Affairs editor sadi something to the effect that it all seems to be coordinated!He further went on to say that the trio of Pawar, Shah and Modi seem to read each other pretty well without the need to speak.
Iz there a "pre-poll" understanding between Modi and Pawar? Perhaps on how to screw both CON and SS together. All speculation of course.
Not so simple. Can't poach "a few" MLAs from here and there, due to anti-defection law. Need 50%+ of MLAs to split from another party and merge with BJP in order for it to be legal. Only 4 scenarios:Rsatchi wrote:Mr Rane has openly said that he has been given charge to make sure that BJP form the government.
Now if he can poach few from SS+NCP+Con then that would be poetic justice for Pawar's role in toppling Atalji's Government!!
had pawar waited till 2030 hrs for the deadline expiry, the cabinet meeting could have only be held after Modiji's return from the brazil visit for the BRICS summit, three days later.Vips wrote:Pawar seems to have worked out an understanding with Amit Shah to have the ED/CBI go slow on him and Ajit Pawar in lieu of him playing the double game and screwing the Shit Sena.pankajs wrote:Just a while back, turdesai made an interesting observation on India Today live.
When the NCP has time till 8:30 pm why did it shoot the letter to the Gov. so early? Did Pawar calculate that it would allow the central cabinet to decide on the matter immediately!
To which, its National Affairs editor sadi something to the effect that it all seems to be coordinated!He further went on to say that the trio of Pawar, Shah and Modi seem to read each other pretty well without the need to speak.
Iz there a "pre-poll" understanding between Modi and Pawar? Perhaps on how to screw both CON and SS together. All speculation of course.
ANI | 12 NOV 2019, 04:47 PM IST
Prime Minister Narendra Modi left for Brazil on November 12 to attend the 11th BRICS Summit. Prime Minister Narendra Modi will have bilateral meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Chinese President Xi Jinping. The theme of BRICS summit this year is ‘Economic Growth for an Innovative Future’.
I have a very strong feeling that fadnavis is being groomed for high office.CRamS wrote:Unless BJP leadership finds a way to break the SS louts, I am willing to stick my neck out and predict that NCP-SS-Congoon govt will come to fruition. In fact, SS is in a point of no return. They simply cannot go back to BJP in present form without becoming an even bigger laughing stock. Furthermore, this is their best chance of getting CM post.
But I am seeing another possibility however remote. As many have pointed out, there is a big prejudice (or shall we say hatred) against Devender Fadnavis because he is a Brahmin, and there is a huge faulty line between Marathas and non Marathas. This is sad, but I think it will take time for Hinduthva to bridge this kind of caste divide. So for the moment, if a Maratha BJP leader were projected as the CM and that would help break away MLAs from SS, NCP, and Cong, I think Devender Fadnavis should sacrifice himself. Its sad, but party is bigger. And I am sure ModiJi can give him a position in the central cabinet where Fandavis's skills could be utilized.
SS has put itself in a corner and as a lollipop if a couple of plum ministries are given they will like pakis claim victory in defeat and give BJP the support to form the government. Even that option for SS will go if they still act haughty.CRamS wrote:Unless BJP leadership finds a way to break the SS louts, I am willing to stick my neck out and predict that NCP-SS-Congoon govt will come to fruition. In fact, SS is in a point of no return. They simply cannot go back to BJP in present form without becoming an even bigger laughing stock. Furthermore, this is their best chance of getting CM post.
But I am seeing another possibility however remote. As many have pointed out, there is a big prejudice (or shall we say hatred) against Devender Fadnavis because he is a Brahmin, and there is a huge faulty line between Marathas and non Marathas. This is sad, but I think it will take time for Hinduthva to bridge this kind of caste divide. So for the moment, if a Maratha BJP leader were projected as the CM and that would help break away MLAs from SS, NCP, and Cong, I think Devender Fadnavis should sacrifice himself. Its sad, but party is bigger. And I am sure ModiJi can give him a position in the central cabinet where Fandavis's skills could be utilized.
Don't know about the rest of the country but in MH at least they will lose Muslim votes to AIMIM. Owaisi is already looking to capitalize on it if the Congress supports SS. In other parts of India, SS may not be too well known locally and Muslims may not have other serious anti-BJP options except Congress. So it might not make much of a difference. You can also count on the usual suspects in the media to do a reverse ghar-wapasi of SS and turn them into a "secular" party overnight.Vips wrote: If NCP/Con party and SS do form the government, it wont last long and congress will be marginalized in rest of the country and will loose its share of psuedo secular votes.
NDTV report on how Pawar is playing a double game. Cannot trust it as they may be trying to protect the mafia queen and con(gress) party from any blame and trying to shift it to Pawar.The Shiv Sena was hoping to stake claim to power in Maharashtra last evening with the support of the Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) and the Congress, which would raise its numbers to 154 in the assembly -- nine past the majority mark.
Among the factors which may have queered its pitch at the eleventh hour was a phone call between Congress president Sonia Gandhi and NCP leader Sharad Pawar.
Sources say Sonia Gandhi had softened on her objections to supporting the ideologically opposite Shiv Sena on Monday evening. But a well-timed phone call from Sharad Pawar to Sonia Gandhi appears to have deepened the Congress' reluctance.
In the morning, as the Congress kicked off a series of consultations on Maharashtra, Sonia Gandhi was said to be strongly opposed to supporting the Sena. Her view - that aligning with the pro-Hindutva and hardline Sena would harm the Congress electorally - was said to be supported by party seniors like AK Anthony and KC Venugopal, and Delhi-based Maharashtra leaders like Mukul Wasnik and Rajiv Satav.
A counterpoint was presented by Maharashtra Congress leaders like Sushil Kumar Shinde, Ashok Chavan, Prithviraj Chavan and Balasaheb Thorat, who believed it was wiser, under the circumstances, to back the Shiv Sena and keep the BJP out. Some in that meeting believed the Congress president was coming around.
Around 5 pm, Sena chief Uddhav Thackeray in his first ever call to Sonia Gandhi, made a formal request for support. The Congress president promised to get back to him after her consultations.
But about an hour later, Sharad Pawar spoke to Sonia Gandhi and expressed some reluctance to go ahead, saying it was too early to promise support to the Sena. Mr Pawar reportedly told Sonia Gandhi that many aspects of power sharing still needed to be negotiated, and that he had not given the Sena a letter of support.
Crucially, he mentioned that his party was just two seats short of the Sena. That seemed to indicate a rethink by the NCP on whether the Sena should expect the chief minister's post for a full term. Was Mr Pawar hinting at a power-sharing agreement, wondered Congress leaders who were privy to the developments.
This sequence of events runs contrary to the NCP's assertion that it was ready to offer support to the Sena, but the Congress had played spoilsport. As Ajit Pawar, NCP leader told the media, "From morning 10 am till 7:30 pm on Monday, our leaders including Sharad Pawar, Praful Patel were waiting for their letter. They (Shiv Sena) had to submit the letter by 7:30 pm. If Congress was not sending its letter of support, how could we give ours," Ajit Pawar disclosed.
The Congress however says Mr Pawar's seeming U-turn, which came just hours before the Governor's deadline to the Sena, only served to heighten the Congress's reluctance to support the Sena. Finally, the Congress put out a noncommittal statement without mentioning the Sena at all, saying it would hold discussions with Sharad Pawar.
At the Raj Bhawan, the Sena delegation led by Aaditya Thackeray requested more time to bring NCP and Congress letters of support, but the governor refused.
NDTV is basically an INC mouthpiece at this point. Here they are attempting to subtly shift the blame onto Pawar and the NCP. Look at how they portray SG as a reasonable person who listens to all points of view and makes an informed decision instead of being the ruthless mafia queen surrounded by a bunch of fawning lickspittles that she is.Vips wrote: NDTV report on how Pawar is playing a double game. Cannot trust it as they may be trying to protect the mafia queen and con(gress) party from any blame and trying to shift it to Pawar.
They put themselves in the corner and then dug a hole and trapped their fat ego in it.Vips wrote: SS has put itself in a corner and as a lollipop if a couple of plum ministries are given they will like pakis claim victory in defeat and give BJP the support to form the government. Even that option for SS will go if they still act haughty.
There is already a strong feeling among the "seculars" that Owaisi is a stooge of the BJP only retained to split the anti-BJP votesnachiket wrote:Don't know about the rest of the country but in MH at least they will lose Muslim votes to AIMIM. Owaisi is already looking to capitalize on it if the Congress supports SS.
No, not yet. The resigning of the SS MP from Lok Sabha was kind of a symbolical step to indicate that the alliance is broken. But I don't think the divorce is now completely done. There would be further humiliating steps (set by NCP and Cong.) which SS would have to do to make the process complete.CRamS wrote:Has SS officially declared that they have left NDA? Not sure. Their minister has resigned from union cabinet. They have left the BJP alliance in Maha. Do these to mean they have left NDA for good?
abhijitm wrote:Some of the cong/ncp conditions to SS:
1. No thackray family CM
^^^Is this from chaiwallahs, or is there any media source reporting it ?abhijitm wrote:Some of the cong/ncp conditions to SS:
1. No thackray family CM
2. 2.5 yrs CM for ncp
3. 5 yrs deputy CM for cong
4. 1/3rd ministries to cong, other 1/3rd to ncp
5. Key portfolios to ncp
6. SS to clarify its stand on hindutva and secularism
Local printed (reputed) newspaper.KL Dubey wrote:^^^Is this from chaiwallahs, or is there any media source reporting it ?abhijitm wrote:Some of the cong/ncp conditions to SS:
1. No thackray family CM
2. 2.5 yrs CM for ncp
3. 5 yrs deputy CM for cong
4. 1/3rd ministries to cong, other 1/3rd to ncp
5. Key portfolios to ncp
6. SS to clarify its stand on hindutva and secularism
Saar, was talking about UT's foolishness to stake his all on the word of a conman who had let them and the BJP down before.ramana wrote:Chetak, What would written letters mean for such parties?
Zilch.
OK thanks...assuming this is true, then Uddhav and Aditya will be completely naked....what a pair of idiots.abhijitm wrote:Local printed (reputed) newspaper.KL Dubey wrote:
^^^Is this from chaiwallahs, or is there any media source reporting it ?
KL Dubey wrote:OK thanks...assuming this is true, then Uddhav and Aditya will be completely naked....what a pair of idiots.abhijitm wrote: Local printed (reputed) newspaper.
Super Exclusive: Complete farm loan waiver, Muslim reservation, review of crop loan scheme, more MSP will be the part of the common minimum programme of Congress, NCP & Shiv Sena led coalition govt in Maharashtra
Saat do link source.chetak wrote:KL Dubey wrote:
OK thanks...assuming this is true, then Uddhav and Aditya will be completely naked....what a pair of idiots.
look at what is being planned.
If all three are leading, then who is following.
All raja only, no praja anywhere.
CMP is the blueprint of a public loot program
Super Exclusive: Complete farm loan waiver, Muslim reservation,review of crop loan scheme, more MSP will be the part of the common minimum programme of Congress, NCP & Shiv Sena led coalition govt in Maharashtra
Yup .. Imagine going back to the MLAs and cadre with the proposals from NCP/CON outlined in this forum!chetak wrote:Saar, was talking about UT's foolishness to stake his all on the word of a conman who had let them and the BJP down before.ramana wrote:Chetak, What would written letters mean for such parties?
Zilch.
UT has now lost personal, political as well as organizational credibility and is seen as an immoral man solely after power and personal aggrandizement.
Additionally, he may have fatally wounded his own son's political future as also the SS's dynastic succession plan.
Maharashtra impasse: No CM from Thackeray family, demands Congress
Congress has come up with a three-page list of conditions for offering its support in government formation, sources have said.
WRITTEN BY
DNA Web Team
EDITED BY
Abhishek Sharma
Nov 12, 2019,
As political developments in Maharashtra continue to intensify every day with no party able to seal a deal to form government in the state, Congress has come up with a three-page list of conditions for offering its support in government formation, sources have said.
According to the information, Congress is demanding that the chief minister shouldn't be from the Thackeray family and all three parties should agree on a Common Minimum Program. On Tuesday, Shiv Sena MP Sanjay Raut had confirmed that his party is working towards a common minimum programme (CMP) with NCP and Congress in a bid to form a coalition government in Maharashtra.
The Congress is also seeking a power-sharing formula where four ministeries will be allocated to its MLAs. The Assembly Speaker's position is also on the party's list
The party also raised concerns about the decision for the municipal corporation adding that it wants the distribution of 'mahamandals' as well.
As per the sources, senior Congress leader Mallikarjun Kharge was not in favour of an alliance but Ashok Chavan, Prithiviraj Chavan, and Sushil Kumar Shinde were able to convince the party's interim president Sonia Gandhi.
It was conveyed that the maximum number of Congress MLAs should be a part of the government instead of just outside support.
The party wants the alliance to look like a car where Shiv Sena is on the driving seat and NCP is the key while Congress will control the braking system, said the source.
Political developments in Maharashtra are intensifying every day but so far no party has been able to seal a deal to finally stake claim and form government in the state. Maharashtra went to assembly polls on October 21 and the results were declared on October 24.
While the Maharashtra Governor Bhagat Singh Koshyari has sent a report to the President saying that government cannot be formed in Maharashtra in accordance with the constitution, Shiv Sena has approached the Supreme Court against the former after he denied extra time to the party to gather support from Congress and NCP to prove its majority.
The Shiv Sena and the BJP contested the recently-held assembly elections together but have failed to reach an agreement for government formation.
The Shiv Sena's claim of 50-50 government formula, asking for the chief minister's post of two and half years, has not been accepted by the BJP.
Door still open for tie-up with BJP, hints Uddhavpankajs wrote:Yup .. Imagine going back to the MLAs and cadre with the proposals from NCP/CON outlined in this forum!chetak wrote:
Saar, was talking about UT's foolishness to stake his all on the word of a conman who had let them and the BJP down before.
UT has now lost personal, political as well as organizational credibility and is seen as an immoral man solely after power and personal aggrandizement.
Additionally, he may have fatally wounded his own son's political future as also the SS's dynastic succession plan.
Will it be too much to expect many of them to jump ship and join BJP and save their own individual credibility with the voters. I mean if that is how little SS MLAs are going to get they might as well get the same from BJP collectively and preserve their credibility at least.
Left the family home as a self declared raja and is now open to returning as a destitute servant.nits wrote:Door still open for tie-up with BJP, hints Uddhavpankajs wrote: Yup .. Imagine going back to the MLAs and cadre with the proposals from NCP/CON outlined in this forum!
Will it be too much to expect many of them to jump ship and join BJP and save their own individual credibility with the voters. I mean if that is how little SS MLAs are going to get they might as well get the same from BJP collectively and preserve their credibility at least.