Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ArjunPandit » 19 Oct 2019 00:04

nam wrote:Waiting for the best doesn’t work, we will take what you produce, Vice Chief of Army assures industry
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/waiting-for-the-best-doesnt-work-we-will-take-what-you-produce-vice-chief-of-army-assures-industry/articleshow/71651341.cms

Referring to a long standing dilemma for the domestic defence development ecosystem, Lt Gen MM Naravane said that `best’ cannot be the enemy of the `good’ and unless systems are inducted and used in the field, they cannot be improved and developed to global standards.


someone please pass me on a tissue..or should i wait for some orders of Arjun

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Postby ArjunPandit » 19 Oct 2019 00:06

nachiket wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Lt Gen MM Naravane is in running to be the next chief. If he does, it will be awesome because all the three service chiefs - Admiral Singh, Air Chief Marshal Bhaduria and Lt Gen Naravane - are all publicly pushing for local products. The winds are certainly moving in the right direction!

He is next in line by seniority. So barring Govt. intervention, he should become the next COAS on Jan 1 2020.

i think the forces are, pardon my language, "toeing the line" of GoI. I always thought the IA will be roughest and toughest nut to crack, because so much as it stake for all parties involved, including dalals. I can only imagine what would have happened had Vajapayee govt continued instead of MaunMeek Singh

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby srai » 19 Oct 2019 07:02

sudeepj wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:

^^ This is what the forum has been demanding for eons. A wind of change may be on the horizon.


The image of the 'catapult' type platform looks interesting in that the 'roof' looks like its armored and not just a piece of Canvas. A direct hit will still take it out, but it looks like this roof will offer some protection from Shrapnel. Better than nothing.

IMO, the turret should be enclosed, or at least make the canopy extend further on each side and droop more for better shrapnel protection.

Next upgrade would be to replace the 130mm gun with a 155mm Dhanush/ATAGS.

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Postby Prasad » 21 Oct 2019 12:44

Why the army's changed mindset on indigenous technology is a relief
The project combined the expertise of Bengaluru's IT industry with academia, defence scientists along with end-users. Bengaluru-based Encore software collaborated with the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) and the DRDO. The Indian Army's Directorate General of Information Systems worked as co-developers and end-users on the project. "It was a unique partnership and it would have been a fantastic base for us to build on for the army's future projects," says Colonel D.P.K. Pillay (retired) who coordinated Project Beta at Army HQ, New Delhi.

By 2005, the team had produced an integrated battlefield computer that would allow a soldier to pinpoint his exact location on a Geographical Information System (GIS) powered map, allow friendly troops to see his position on their screens and allow communication between them.

The system was successfully demonstrated to President A.P.J Abdul Kalam. The developers drew up plans for a series of devices using the same core and operating systems which could scale up the Sathi's capabilities and be used by decision-makers up the command chain.

In 2008, a proposal for a second batch of 1,300 Beta-2 devices came up before the Army Technology Board for funding approval. The project team wanted to test it across a wider area. That's when the army pulled the plug on the project. The decision took the project team by surprise. It was almost inexplicable, says one officer who worked on the project. "We don't need to reinvent the wheel," a three-star officer who headed the army's Information Systems (IS), reportedly told the project team when they protested. Project Beta was closed down.

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Postby srai » 03 Nov 2019 15:41

I had this discussion a while ago with few members on the topic of high altitude acclimatization using altitude chambers. DRDO has also developed Normobaric Hypoxia Chamber for the Indian Army. These are common nowadays for mountain climbers who use it as part of their preparation training before expeditions. Allows acclimatization (3000m-5000m) without physically being at those altitudes.

DRDO
Rapid Induction Strategies at High Altitude

Modern military operations frequently require rapid deployment of personnel into high altitude with little or no time for physiological acclimatization. Rapid deployment of unacclimatized soldiers to high altitude/mountain environments may cause debilitating effects on operational capabilities. “Normobaric Hypoxia Chamber”has been developed to provide Intermittent Hypoxic Exposure (IHE) as one of the recent approaches to induce altitude acclimatization. It involves the use of daily intermittent hypoxic exposure in lieu of continuous stay at high altitude. IHE is known as altitude exposure, involves breathing low oxygen air periodically, living in or exercising in reduced air for the purpose of pre-acclimatization/preconditioning to high altitude . It has been found to improve the physical work performance of an individual as well as to reduce the incidence of Acute Mountain Sickness.

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Postby VinodTK » 18 Nov 2019 02:42

Line Of Control | Patriot With Major Gaurav Arya



Good changes in equipment and protection gear, night fighting capabilites
have to see till the end to see the surveillance equipment

GOI should get rid of LMG's and replace them with 50 caliber machine guns to give range and punch

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Postby Thakur_B » 18 Nov 2019 08:23

^^ Vinod ji, 50 cal has a very heavy logistical footprint. It consumes 8-10 times ammunition by weight and volume for similar number of rounds. 50 cal browning also has significantly higher feed failures and jams compared to LMG/MMG in use and the range advantage is not worth the headache. However to provide necessary firepower when required, 50 cal AMR are much more versatile.

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Postby CalvinH » 18 Nov 2019 08:43

VinodTK wrote:Line Of Control | Patriot With Major Gaurav Arya



Good changes in equipment and protection gear, night fighting capabilites
have to see till the end to see the surveillance equipment

GOI should get rid of LMG's and replace them with 50 caliber machine guns to give range and punch


Thanks Vinod. Its a good one. The gear and the facilities look great.

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Postby wig » 19 Nov 2019 04:52

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 114684.cms

Six dead after avalanche hits Army positions in Northern Siachen
Four soldiers and two civilian porters were killed after their eight-member patrol was hit by an avalanche in the northern part of the forbidding Siachen Glacier-Saltoro Ridge region on Monday afternoon.The six soldiers from the Dogra Regiment and two porters were on their way from one post to another when the avalanche struck them at a height over 19,000-feet in the Northern Glacier, which has some of the most treacherous terrain, at about 3 pm.
“Avalanche rescue teams from nearby posts were rushed to the site for the search and rescue operation. All eight were pulled out of the
avalanche debris. Seven of them were critically injured and evacuated by helicopters to the nearest military hospital. But despite best efforts and life resuscitation measures, six succumbed to extreme hypothermia,” said an officer.

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Postby wig » 20 Nov 2019 17:21

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/ind ... 60507.html

India Army to reduce orders of sniper rifles by about 70%
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The Indian Army plans to buy just 1,800 state-of-the-art sniper rifles and 2.7 million rounds of ammunition -- less than a third of its total requirement -- driven by budgetary constraints and the need to speed up deliveries, people with knowledge of the matter said.

The military pruned its original requirement of 5,720 sniper rifles and 10 million rounds of ammunition, which would have cost $140 million, to prioritize spending and advance the purchase of more modern equipment, they said, asking not to be identified as the information isn’t public.


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Postby Vips » 14 Dec 2019 03:48

Soldiers deprived of snow glasses, boots, requisite food.

Indian Army troops do not have snow glasses and multi-purpose boots to wear and requisite sanctioned food to eat in high altitude areas in Siachen and Ladakh, thus exposing them to inclement weather causing ailments due to extreme cold conditions, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has said in a report.

The CAG report on Union Government (Defence Services)-Army said Army troops are also deprived of the authorised daily consumption of food in the high altitude areas, sources said. The report also states the calorie intake of the troops is compromised as high as 82 per cent.

CAG laid the report on Union Government (Defence Services)-Army in the Rajya Sabha but failed to lay it in Lok Sabha. This stopped Comptroller and Auditor General Rajiv Mehrishi from releasing the report. But sources in Rajya Sabha, who accessed the report, claimed that the audit highlights the condition of Indian Army in high altitude areas.

The shortage in snow goggles is between 62 per cent to 98 per cent exposing soldiers' faces and eyes to extreme weather in high altitude areas. Worse, the troops had to wear old and used multi-purpose boots after the force did not received boots between November 2015 and September 2016. The situation is very pathetic, said sources adding that the troops who are deployed at high altitude guarding Indian borders are given old versions of face masks, jackets and sleeping bags. "The troops are deprived from the benefits of using improved products," the CAG report stated.

The report also highlight that the lack of research and development by defence laboratories led to continued dependence on import. Further, for the troops posted in high altitudes, special scales of rations are authorised to meet their daily energy requirements. But substitutes in lieu of scaled items were authorised on cost to cost basis, which resulted in supply of reduced quantity of substitutes.

This compromised the calorie intake of the troops by as high as 82 per cent. At Leh station the CAG found that special ration items were shown as issued to troops for consumption without their actual receipts.

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Postby srai » 14 Dec 2019 09:06

^^^
Under-equipped jawans ... seems to be an ongoing issue. Reduce manpower if they can’t be equipped properly because of budget shortfalls.

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Postby Vips » 14 Dec 2019 21:31

If this is happening when Modi is in power then God help us. Koti Koti Vandan to the Brave Indian Soldiers.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 15 Dec 2019 12:07

the others are dressed in camo while some are dressed like peacocks.




Opening ceremony of 2nd edition of bilateral tri-service Ex- INDRA between India & Russia was conducted on 11 Dec at Babina. Lt Gen DS Ahuja, COS, Southern Comd & Maj Gen Tsekov Oleg, Cdr in Chief, 5th Army of Eastern Mil District, reviewed the parade



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Postby ashishvikas » 15 Dec 2019 13:51

srai wrote:^^^
Under-equipped jawans ... seems to be an ongoing issue. Reduce manpower if they can’t be equipped properly because of budget shortfalls.
Vips wrote:If this is happening when Modi is in power then God help us. Koti Koti Vandan to the Brave Indian Soldiers.
Vips wrote:Soldiers deprived of snow glasses, boots, requisite food.

Indian Army troops do not have snow glasses and multi-purpose boots to wear and requisite sanctioned food to eat in high altitude areas in Siachen and Ladakh, thus exposing them to inclement weather causing ailments due to extreme cold conditions, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has said in a report.

The CAG report on Union Government (Defence Services)-Army said Army troops are also deprived of the authorised daily consumption of food in the high altitude areas, sources said. The report also states the calorie intake of the troops is compromised as high as 82 per cent.

CAG laid the report on Union Government (Defence Services)-Army in the Rajya Sabha but failed to lay it in Lok Sabha. This stopped Comptroller and Auditor General Rajiv Mehrishi from releasing the report. But sources in Rajya Sabha, who accessed the report, claimed that the audit highlights the condition of Indian Army in high altitude areas.

The shortage in snow goggles is between 62 per cent to 98 per cent exposing soldiers' faces and eyes to extreme weather in high altitude areas. Worse, the troops had to wear old and used multi-purpose boots after the force did not received boots between November 2015 and September 2016. The situation is very pathetic, said sources adding that the troops who are deployed at high altitude guarding Indian borders are given old versions of face masks, jackets and sleeping bags. "The troops are deprived from the benefits of using improved products," the CAG report stated.

The report also highlight that the lack of research and development by defence laboratories led to continued dependence on import. Further, for the troops posted in high altitudes, special scales of rations are authorised to meet their daily energy requirements. But substitutes in lieu of scaled items were authorised on cost to cost basis, which resulted in supply of reduced quantity of substitutes.

This compromised the calorie intake of the troops by as high as 82 per cent. At Leh station the CAG found that special ration items were shown as issued to troops for consumption without their actual receipts.



Soldiers deployed in High Altitude and Siachen , Kargil and Drass have the requisite clothing and equipment in adequate numbers as confirmed by those who are serving in these areas.

https://twitter.com/Ptr6Vb/status/12060 ... 83040?s=19

Please re read the article it is alluding to sources who have seen the CAG report and not the report.

https://twitter.com/Ptr6Vb/status/12060 ... 18561?s=19

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Postby tandav » 15 Dec 2019 14:48

srai wrote:I had this discussion a while ago with few members on the topic of high altitude acclimatization using altitude chambers. DRDO has also developed Normobaric Hypoxia Chamber for the Indian Army. These are common nowadays for mountain climbers who use it as part of their preparation training before expeditions. Allows acclimatization (3000m-5000m) without physically being at those altitudes.

DRDO
Rapid Induction Strategies at High Altitude

Modern military operations frequently require rapid deployment of personnel into high altitude with little or no time for physiological acclimatization. Rapid deployment of unacclimatized soldiers to high altitude/mountain environments may cause debilitating effects on operational capabilities. “Normobaric Hypoxia Chamber”has been developed to provide Intermittent Hypoxic Exposure (IHE) as one of the recent approaches to induce altitude acclimatization. It involves the use of daily intermittent hypoxic exposure in lieu of continuous stay at high altitude. IHE is known as altitude exposure, involves breathing low oxygen air periodically, living in or exercising in reduced air for the purpose of pre-acclimatization/preconditioning to high altitude . It has been found to improve the physical work performance of an individual as well as to reduce the incidence of Acute Mountain Sickness.

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I can bet my bottom dollar that China has very large number of hypobaric chamber farms which are keeping a significant chunk of the PLA ready for short and sharp excursions across the LAC when required. THis coupled with their high speed tibetan rail is a very serious threat for India.

Even the DRDO facility shown shows the lack of imagination, very low throughputs can be achieved by such puny test beds accommodating a few soldiers. My suggestion would be to have a stadium/playground sized an inflatable circus tent where inside atmosphere is maintained at a lower oxygen concentration by pressure swing adsorption machines that separate O2 and N2 and introduce excess N2 into the tent creating the NORMO Hypoxia Chamber

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Postby Karan M » 15 Dec 2019 16:19

The DRDO facility above is clearly a testbed. It can likely be scaled up as required.


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Postby wig » 20 Dec 2019 14:30

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/over-doz ... ed-on-loc/

Over dozen Pak troops, commandos, LeT, JeM militants killed on LoC
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Over a dozen Pakistan army personnel and militants including Special Services Group (SSG) commandos and Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) cadre were killed at Athmuqam, close to the Line of Control (LoC), opposite Kupwara sector where Pakistan’s Brigade Headquarters and SSG Centre were hit in retaliatory shelling and firing by the Indian side last night even as there was no let up in Pakistan shelling in Poonch and Rajouri districts where the enemy continued to target civilians.
Indian retaliatory action at Athmuqam opposite Kupwara sector of Kashmir valley was necessitated as reports were pouring in that large number of LeT and JeM militants had gathered there and were planning infiltration into the Indian side under covering fire from the Pakistani troops.
While there was no official word by the Indian Army on heavy damages suffered by the Pakistani troops at Athmuqam overnight, credible inputs revealed that Pakistan’s Brigade Headquarters was hit and badly damaged in the Indian retaliation that lasted about two hours. Pakistan’s SSG wing office was also housed in the same complex and it was too reported to have been damaged.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetonzz » 20 Dec 2019 16:09

chetak wrote:the others are dressed in camo while some are dressed like peacocks.




Opening ceremony of 2nd edition of bilateral tri-service Ex- INDRA between India & Russia was conducted on 11 Dec at Babina. Lt Gen DS Ahuja, COS, Southern Comd & Maj Gen Tsekov Oleg, Cdr in Chief, 5th Army of Eastern Mil District, reviewed the parade



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sir, should we change the army uniform style to ACU style of USA?

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Postby srai » 21 Dec 2019 04:06

Must read!

MODERNISING ARMED FORCES ON TIGHT DEFENSE BUDGETS BY LT GEN P R SHANKAR (R)
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Import Substitution

There are several items which are imported by respective Services, OFB and PSUs in a routine manner. These include parts, components, sub systems and some assembles which are of low technology but needed on a regular basis for existing equipment which were once imported. Wonder of wonders, they also include some nuts, bolts and washers. Many of these items can be substituted through indigenization to save costs, time and effort. However, to make a difference, a serious multipronged import substitution drive must commence by all revenue procurement agencies, MSMEs and Research institutions. It is a low hanging fruit of immense potential. It has payoffs beyond the immediate.

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Reverse Engineering

China has progressed to hi tech weapon systems, by reverse engineering. Why can’t we do that? We can and have done it in the past. Way back, in the early 80s, the 105 mm UK Light Gun was brought to India. It was left in India for a couple of months due to lack of ship passage. A Gun Development Team was put together and let loose on it. Lo and behold in a matter of few years we reverse engineered it and the 105mm Light Field Gun came into service. It is still in production, in service and relevant. It is still identical to the UK Light Gun and the US Light Gun. Can’t we do similar things now? There is a strong case to identify and undertake reverse engineering projects on a mission mode.

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Upgradation

There is a propensity to go in for the latest weapon, with top grade specs, and a brand-new development or procurement project. That is the typical glossy magazine syndrome. Why can we not upgrade existing equipment to effective specs. This will be especially useful when we have TOT or have used the equipment for years together. The Dhanush 155 mm has followed this principle with great success. Why can’t a similar approach be adopted for our ICVs when we have so much experience on BMPs? Do we need a FICV at all? Why can’t we upgrade the BMP to FICV specs? Examine the T Series of tanks built by Russians. From the initial T34 to T54, T55, T56, T62, T72, T90 and T14, the designs are evolutionary through systemic upgradation and new technology injection. Why should we go in for the revolutionary route, which is costlier and time consuming? Upgradation also allows us to postpone a new buy at better economic time when we might get better technologies.

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Operational Relook

I have been of the opinion for long that a realistic joint operational outlook will allow us to reduce manpower and prioritize capital expenditure. I will reiterate a case which I have pointed out earlier.. Convert our three armor heavy strike corps ranged against Pakistan into mountain capable reserves composed of Infantry and light weight long range Artillery. Just shed the armor component to the defensive formations to take care of Pakistan, which is a receding threat. The resultant will be mountain capable dual tasked reserves capable of handling both fronts. The entire strategic dynamics will get an uptick with considerable saving in manpower. Similarly, can our Armor improvement programs be revisited based on a realistic threat assessment from Pakistan? Do we need to talk of capability-based force structuring when we should be limiting ourselves to being structured as a threat-based force?

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Capital Procurement Prioritization

There is no doubt that capital procurement will and must go on. However, there is a strong case for prioritization and phasing of procurement as per what we can afford and what is operationally necessary. Such prioritization should be consistent with the way the cases are progressing. If this can be combined with roll over of budgets and allocation, true economy will set in. Presently such thinking or mechanisms are not there in our system. It needs a holistic thinking. Hopefully the CDS when appointed can attend to this issue.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jaysimha » 21 Dec 2019 13:51

Ministry of Defence
Curtain Raiser : Army Technology Seminar
Posted On: 20 DEC 2019 5:17PM by PIB Delhi
ARTECH Seminar was launched in 2016 as part of overall vision of ‘Make in India’ of Hon’ble Prime Minister and is conducted every year as part of events leading to Army Day celebrations. The seminar is the flagship event of Indian Army which sets the agenda for focus areas of harvesting indigenous capabilities in the Defence sector.

ARTECH platform provides an opportunity to practitioners of military operations, policy makers in Ministry of Defence, industry and academia to put forth their contemporary Defence related capabilities. It is also a forum for innovators in uniform to showcase their products and offer these to industry to refine & productionise.

The fifth edition of ARTECH is being organised by Indian Army on ‘Technologies for Non Contact Warfare’ which will be organised on 23 December 2019 at Manekshaw Centre, Delhi Cantonment.

Speakers from varied fields of industry, academia, think tanks, subject matter experts, users and policy makers have been invited to address the seminar. ARTECH will be of immense value with participation by industry leaders, individual innovators, startups and academicians.

There is a select equipment display planned during the seminar by industry, academia, innovators in uniform and startups, DRDO and DPSUs.

Note : programme of work is enclosed for reference

Col Aman Anand

PRO (Army)
(Release ID: 1597084)



http://164.100.117.97/WriteReadData/use ... 202019.pdf

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ashishvikas » 25 Dec 2019 19:39

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/strategic_front/status/1068541551976955904 ---> Indian Army issues tender for 938 air defence guns and ammunition to replace the L- 70 and ZU-23mm.

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India Develops Air Defence Gun for Army Amid Potential 'Aerial Threat' From Pakistan

India’s state-funded Ordnance Board Factory (OFB) – which administers 42 armament and ammunition factories across the country – has developed a high rate of fire gun to defend strategic assets in the border region.

A Defence Ministry official has informed a parliamentary panel that the trial of the OFB-developed air defence gun has already commenced.

“A high rate of fire gun for defence of vulnerable areas against incoming enemy aircraft/missile has been developed… The initial firing trial has been done internally by [the] Ordnance Factory Board”, the Defence Ministry official said.
The official also informed the panel about the status of the project. The India-made guns will have an effective range of 4,000 metres or more against aerial targets.

“OFB is possibly developing these guns in conjunction with the Armament Research and Development (Pune) and will be a part of the government's Make in India in Defence under the Indigenously Designed and Developed category”, said Rahul K. Bhonsle, retired army brigadier and defence analyst.

Sources said this gun is being developed in response to the Indian Army's requirements of 938 air defence guns worth around $5 billion. These guns will replace the aging Swedish L-70 and Soviet-era ZU-23MM-2B guns currently in use by the army.

Indian Army also put out purchase plan for 505,920 rounds of ammunition. The OFB has also manufactured various varieties of ammunition for the air defence guns.



https://sputniknews.com/military/201912 ... -pakistan/

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Gerard » 02 Jan 2020 03:54

Senior general tells commanders to shun military pageantry
One of the Indian Army’s senior-most generals has asked commanders under him to shun military pageantry, ensure offices shut by 2 pm (the time they are meant to be shut), and encourage professional dissent (as different from insubordination) as they focus on their primary task – constant readiness for battle.

In directions issued on New Year’s eve to improve the operational readiness of the Jaipur-based South Western Command , its chief Lieutenant General Alok Singh Kler has written to 265 commanders to adopt a nuts-and-bolts approach to soldiering as “it’s not a question of if but when we go to war”.

“The air force and our Special Forces are 24x7 operational and combat worthy due to their nuts-and-bolts approach to soldiering. There is a fabulous saying, ‘If you want to be peaceful you must retain the ability of intense violence. If you lack the capability of violence, you are not peaceful you are harmless’…I want to retain combat capability and worthiness at all times in peace,” he stressed.

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Postby Aditya_V » 02 Jan 2020 10:16

+1 to the general - could not put it better

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 02 Jan 2020 23:56

Lt.Gen P.R. Shankar (R) demolishes some monuments in this suggestion

Operational Relook

I have been of the opinion for long that a realistic joint operational outlook will allow us to reduce manpower and prioritize capital expenditure. I will reiterate a case which I have pointed out earlier.. Convert our three armor heavy strike corps ranged against Pakistan into mountain capable reserves composed of Infantry and light weight long range Artillery. Just shed the armor component to the defensive formations to take care of Pakistan, which is a receding threat. The resultant will be mountain capable dual tasked reserves capable of handling both fronts. The entire strategic dynamics will get an uptick with considerable saving in manpower. Similarly, can our Armor improvement programs be revisited based on a realistic threat assessment from Pakistan? Do we need to talk of capability-based force structuring when we should be limiting ourselves to being structured as a threat-based force?


Both his suggestions affect the Armored Corps which has been playing hard to get with their stalling of even the capability based force by constant rejection of the Arjun. In fact if armored divisions get moved to the holding corps then all the more reason to buy the Arjun as their argument against heavy tanks goes away!!!

However need to balance this against the fear three strike corps induce in Pindi.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 03 Jan 2020 00:00

Gerard wrote:Senior general tells commanders to shun military pageantry
One of the Indian Army’s senior-most generals has asked commanders under him to shun military pageantry, ensure offices shut by 2 pm (the time they are meant to be shut), and encourage professional dissent (as different from insubordination) as they focus on their primary task – constant readiness for battle.

In directions issued on New Year’s eve to improve the operational readiness of the Jaipur-based South Western Command , its chief Lieutenant General Alok Singh Kler has written to 265 commanders to adopt a nuts-and-bolts approach to soldiering as “it’s not a question of if but when we go to war”.


“The air force and our Special Forces are 24x7 operational and combat worthy due to their nuts-and-bolts approach to soldiering. There is a fabulous saying, ‘If you want to be peaceful you must retain the ability of intense violence. If you lack the capability of violence, you are not peaceful you are harmless’…I want to retain combat capability and worthiness at all times in peace,” he stressed.


This means the tanks will stay with the strike corps for they have maximum capability for violence.


I want to know more details of the remark about shutting the office down at 2:00 pm as they are supposed to.
Whats going on?

Long back they soldier wakes up for parade at 6:00 AM and the day goes on till 2:00 pm. And the evening is to rest and recuperate for soldering life.
Are they deviating from this?
That does not give them time to recover from arduous tasks.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Nbs » 03 Jan 2020 02:28

Knowing that Pakistan is suicidal and China will always try to avoid a direct confrontation with a great power, IA will have to face a huge Armor threat on its Western border - Pakis driving in Chinese hardware in huge numbers. So although it is correct that Pakis are a receding power and China is real threat, we still need to prepare for a vast Western front once push comes to shove.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Gerard » 03 Jan 2020 03:18

Kler’s directive also asks officers to strictly adhere to office timings as anyone working beyond 2 pm lacks efficiency. The army’s office hours in commands end at 2 pm because soldiers are also required to spend time on physical training and operations.

His letter also explains why these measures are necessary — because the command has to stay prepared for war, conforming to high military standards and professional excellence. “Every individual must believe that he or she is a professional trained to fight the adversary, both internal and external, and must prepare his or her mind, body and soul as such,” Kler writes.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rakesh » 03 Jan 2020 05:42

Nbs wrote:Knowing that Pakistan is suicidal and China will always try to avoid a direct confrontation with a great power, IA will have to face a huge Armor threat on its Western border - Pakis driving in Chinese hardware in huge numbers. So although it is correct that Pakis are a receding power and China is real threat, we still need to prepare for a vast Western front once push comes to shove.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 03 Jan 2020 19:26

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Gerard » 04 Jan 2020 03:07

Peace returning to Jammu and Kashmir after Article 370: Army chief
The army chief said there was scope for cutting down military pageantry and the three services need to be more professional in their approach and not get carried away by ceremonies where they were not required. “An investiture ceremony has to have flags flying but red carpets are not needed during field firing,” Naravane said. He said pageantry was fine on occasions like Republic Day and Army Day but it didn’t have to be there during routine activities. His comments come a day after General Rawat said steps would be taken to do away with “infructuous ceremonial activities” that are manpower intensive.

“Within allocated resources, we need to be efficient and synergise the requirements of the armed forces. We have to pool our resources and make our money work better for us,” he said, adding that India’s military expenditure seemed small at 2% of the gross domestic product but if the country became a $ 5 trillion economy, that percentage would be a lot.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 07 Jan 2020 00:12

Chetak thats a scurrilous cartoon politicizing the CDS by an AAPtard Cartoonist.

Where was the Army present in recent protests and riots?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Karan M » 07 Jan 2020 00:19

I agree. The cartoonist Manjul is infamous for his political slant.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Atmavik » 07 Jan 2020 01:39

^^^ that cartoon is the usual mischief and a sign of the congi eco system getting desperate. years of work by them are silently being undone.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 08 Jan 2020 00:27

ramana wrote:Chetak thats a scurrilous cartoon politicizing the CDS by an AAPtard Cartoonist.

Where was the Army present in recent protests and riots?


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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 08 Jan 2020 01:25

The cartoon and your answer are political and should not be in this thread.
it should be in the Strat forum.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ArjunPandit » 08 Jan 2020 06:55

sad news guys, Gen PN hoon passed away yesterday. His contribution in saving siachen from pakis was immense..a few days back only Rohit vats shared an image showing him in a pic mentioning that a call from RAW triggered op meghdoot...om shanti..he was cremated today in chd in sector 25 electric crematorium


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