2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Dec 2019 20:56

Ah the irony. Can't fight for Hindu suffering so any excuse to hide is acceptable.

Blind To Hindu Suffering: Critics Branding CAA As Communal Beats Logic
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/blind- ... eats-logic

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Dec 2019 21:31

pankajs wrote:D Butt still trying to brazen it out ...

https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1209447699776327680

She will because her international, read western, standing is on the rise. Moment a white bahadur like a Dexter Filkins, notices the rampant Jihadi element in the protests, and says the same in hefty publications like NYT/WP/NYorker etc about the threat India confronts, you can be rest assured she will be singing the glories of Sanatana Dharma and how ModiJi is upholding values enshrined thereof.

With no imminent 'bad Muslims' per se, white west can afford to side with Islamists by ganging up on Hindus. No skin off their back. They don't give a shit for either, its a question of modulating one side or the other to come out looking as enlightened saints. Burqa Bibi types are mere slaves following suit.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 25 Dec 2019 21:34

Much of the opposition to the CAA and NRC, is about the dislike and consternation of the narrative of Hindus being persecuted in 3 neighbouring Moslem majority countries. That doesn't sit well with 'secularists' and the left. The idea of Hindus being front and centre is distasteful to this group. Any Hindu suffering or persecution must be subsumed under "refugees of any persuasion fleeing persecution". Hindus must not be identified, let alone given any preference.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Dec 2019 21:39

For Beepul confused why NPR when Aadhar is there ... clarification given by Chidambaram in 2012

https://twitter.com/iAnkurSingh/status/ ... 9829208065

Ankur Singh @iAnkurSingh

Aadhaar is voluntary and NPR is mandatory : Chidambaram in 2012

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 652863.cms
Nilekani, Chidambaram resolve row over UID

PLUS ... embedded video
https://twitter.com/iAnkurSingh/status/ ... 0392349702

Ankur Singh @iAnkurSingh

NDTV explaining benefits of NPR in 2010

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Dec 2019 21:41

Protesting is a right, violence carries consequences

Protesting is a right, violence carries consequences

18 December 2019
GAUTAM CHIKERMANE

Those in charge of India’s governance, both at the Centre and in the States, need to understand the 21st century politics are at cross-purposes with those in the 20th century.

The ongoing violent protest against the Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019, enacted by Parliament and turned into law on 12 December 2019 is one more in the short history of the first year of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s second term. They follow protests against the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Marriage) Act, 2019, enacted on 31 July 2019 by Parliament; the abrogation of Article 370 through the Constitution (Application to Jammu and Kashmir) Order, 2019, C.O. 272, enacted on 6 August 2019 by Parliament; and the Ram Mandir judgement pronounced on 9 November 2019 by the Supreme Court. All four have been lingering issues. All four were needed. All four have been debated in all forums. And all four have invited protests.

Irrespective of the narrative or the spin you want to give these changes, they have been enacted or turned into law democratically, through democratic institutions. In the case of the citizenship law, the Muslim women law, and the Jammu and Kashmir order, the institutional structure has been Parliament. In the case of Ram Mandir, it has been the Supreme Court. Further, even after their enactment, the laws on citizenship as well as the changes made in Article 370, will be tested for their Constitutionality in the Supreme Court. Only if they pass muster, will they remain on the statute books. That’s how a democracy functions the world over. And that’s how it is in India.

The currency of protests has been to deface properties, damage them.

And like in every democracy the world over, not all constituents will agree, there will be some that will protest. All democracies, not merely ‘including’ India but ‘notably’ India, provide spaces for protests. But for a long time, the grammar of protests in India has been attempting to destroy India’s institutional Parliament-Executive-Judiciary grid, delegitimise it using political violence. It is political in the sense of a perceived collective action; it is violent in the degree of using physical force; it is political violence in the way that it uses violence to impose political goals. From students of Jawaharlal Nehru University to those in Jamia Millia Islamia, the currency of protests has been to deface properties, damage them.

Outside these haloed institutions of education, as the ‘movement’ gathers momentum, and non-students join the orgy of violence, public property has been destroyed. New Delhi’s Seelampur became the hub of violence, with 21 people, including 12 policemen and six civilians injured. While none of the 10 arrested are Jamia students, police is not ruling out their arrests if investigations reveal their participation; 80 students are undergoing treatment in a hospital. Above all, more than 30 police personnel — whose hands are tied; damned if they enforce law and order, damned if they don’t — have been injured. Gone is the assumption that this violence is merely a 15-second video on social media and doesn’t affect us directly: apart from a bus with passengers sitting in it, the protestors attacked a school bus carrying children — the police had to intervene and help children de-board so they could be escorted to safety.

To wreak damage on government property such as buses or buildings, to attack the police who they know will not retaliate when criminals hide behind women, to inflict harm on citizens who are simply going about their work, smacks of an approach steeped in the depths of dictatorships and anarchies, and to use a word favoured by these protestors against their opponents, fascism. Not democracy. Let’s explore these definitions. Dictatorship is the rule — not governance but rule — of a single person, a single ideology or a single government. Fascism is a single-party dictatorship. Both stand opposed to democracy. Both eschew the rule of law. Both these definitions fit countries like China a glove. Anarchy is a state when there is no authority. Hong Kong is teetering on the edge of anarchy and China maybe seeking a forceful response, while parts of Haiti are descending into it. Neither dictatorship nor anarchy nor fascism is happening in India. These are simply words that have been weaponised.

Violence as an instrument of protest has been sanctified, fanned and legitimised by yesterday’s politics to push for other issues as well. The agitation against the Mandal Commission in August 1990, was one such.

Violence has accompanied protests since India’s Independence. Broadly, in various permutations and combinations, India has seen three kinds of violence — communal, electoral and entitlements. The early expressions of violence were of a communal nature — Hatia Ranchi saw 183 dead in 1967, Ahmedabad witnessed 512 deaths in 1969, Jalgaon lost 100 lives in 1970. The worst communal riots occurred in 1984, when 2,733 Sikhs were killed; Nellie saw 1,819 die a year earlier, Moradabad 1,500 in 1980; and Gujarat 1,267 in 2002. Electoral violence was common mostly during the 1970s, to a lesser extent in the 1980s, and is gradually diminishing across India, the case of West Bengal and Kerala, notwithstanding. The 18 February 1983 violence in Nellie had electoral moorings, and the issue then was the same as is being protested today — illegal immigrants. Violence as an instrument of protest has been sanctified, fanned and legitimised by yesterday’s politics to push for other issues as well. The agitation against the Mandal Commission in August 1990, was one such. Roads and rails were blocked, public property destroyed, markets looted. Violence its currency, the movement also saw the rise and fall of self-inflicted violence in the form of self-immolation.

The legitimacy of violence has its roots in politics. There seems to be an unwritten contract between political parties that allow the venting off of steam by allowing government properties such as buses or rails to be destroyed. If personal properties are destroyed there could be a greater implication, further protests, and a sign that the government cannot deliver the first component of governance — law and order — to citizens. On the other hand, the cost destroying government property is invisible. But in a resource starved nation like India, every such destruction has a direct bearing on the way economic resources have to be remobilised through taxes. With most of India not paying direct taxes, the economic implication of such a destruction seems like an entitlement.

“We need to give the same freedom — and the accompanying responsibility — to the police today.”

This entitlement has been and still is being taken to preposterous levels. Take the preposterous idea that the police cannot enter universities. According to legal experts, there is no law that prevents the police from entering any campus if they need to. But we don’t need a Supreme Court lawyer to tell us that. Under law, it is the job of the police to ensure peace and university campuses are not exempt. They may be noisy, create ruckus, resort to violence, deface and destroy their campus. But they do not have immunity from law. At best, it is a privilege and a courtesy — not a right. It can be withdrawn.

The same discourse exists on roads, in parks, on tracks. The first job of any government is to establish the rule of law. This should preferably be done peacefully. But when required, the police should not be held back from exercising force. We saw the success of giving freedom to the armed forces at the Balakot attack. We need to give the same freedom — and the accompanying responsibility — to the police today. If an adult is old enough to throw a stone, s/he is old enough to be arrested and brought before the law. In the course of that arrest, if force is to be used, the police must use it. We cannot expect the police to start pulling out reference manuals of standard operating procedures, get two levels of checks from seniors, and only then use force. It has to be used in the moment. Training helps, but it is not infallible.

The first job of any government is to establish the rule of law. This should preferably be done peacefully. But when required, the police should not be held back from exercising force.

Because the State has a monopoly on violence (as it does on the creation of money) and the police is the arm deploying it within borders, there are checks and balances of restraint on its use. Force by the police should be the instrument of last resort. But for too long, the ‘last resort’ has been manipulated and devalued beyond recognition, to the point of punishing police personnel for following and executing the law. This narrative has come into force using the power of an ecosystem that looks at violent protestors as victims and law enforcers as assaulters. With new tools such as cameras on phones and on city streets, it is difficult to hide wrongdoings. If as a changing society and an economic powerhouse, we seek zero tolerance for violence in a rising India, irrespective of who the perpetrators are — criminals, students or any other citizen including political leaders — they should be given no quarter. We tie down our police force if we hold them back or punish them for doing their job.

Chief Justice of India S.A. Bobde has made a start by demanding the end of violence at Jamia Milia Islamia. Parliament and the government (the police in particular), need to come up to task. Home Minister Amit Shah is on course. “When a protest becomes violent then it is the duty of the police to contain the violence, and they did so,” he said. As India heads into the next decade, all democratic institutions need to work together and ensure a zero-violence political atmosphere. On the other side, as in every democracy from the US and the UK to France and Italy, protests will continue. But protests are a democratic right, violence a crime.

Those in charge of India’s governance, both at the Centre and in the States, need to understand the 21st century politics are at cross-purposes with those in the 20th century. If political leaders and their parties continue to use violence as mediums of protest, they will be left behind and voted out. The new politics of India must understand the new governance demands of silent citizens — the time of pandering to the noisiest is over; the time for using gender, class, caste, status, religion to gloss over crimes is behind us; the time for using violence as a tool to bend the will of the State has gone. As India steps into the next decade, let us do so with this dictum for protestors: violence has consequences.

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Dec 2019 21:48

twitter

Suddenly every rioter on the street, who is picked up for destroying public property and assaulting police, is claiming to be a 'UPSC aspirant' or has some sob story to tell...

Law catching up has strange effect on people...

banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 25 Dec 2019 21:52

Varoon Shekhar wrote:Much of the opposition to the CAA and NRC, is about the dislike and consternation of the narrative of Hindus being persecuted in 3 neighbouring Moslem majority countries. That doesn't sit well with 'secularists' and the left. The idea of Hindus being front and centre is distasteful to this group. Any Hindu suffering or persecution must be subsumed under "refugees of any persuasion fleeing persecution". Hindus must not be identified, let alone given any preference.

Yes this dawned on me 20 years back. Hindu is effectively a word like nigger was in the segregation era. Since there are not that many Hindus in the west it’s still used in innocuous fashion and Indians are gullible enough to use it.

But institutionally it’s different. How dare these coolies issue ids passports count their citizens collect taxes, count votes.

This is what it means

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Dec 2019 21:59

Guys, just asking, but how much do you think that jacket of this western hooker prize winning 'internationally acclamimed' 5-star acitvist costs?

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/give ... 191225.htm

Now here is their prppaganda with bold-faced lies which they hope will be a force multiplier

CAA and NRC were not only against Muslims also against Dalits, tribals and poor people in the country.

How ironic, because if I understand correctly, CAA will help the 'lowest' of the 'lowest caste' Hindus who were de-humanized in pak and beedi land.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 25 Dec 2019 22:02

^
Right on, the minute there is a real perceived threat to US and other Western interests, the likes of Dexter Filkins will be all over India about its Moslem population. But even here, I question the extent to which Filkins et al will be sympathetic to India per se. If India alone is taking the brunt of the terror without any appreciable damage to Western life or interests, it's questionable how much Filkins will turn the spotlight on India as a major victim.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Dec 2019 22:04

https://twitter.com/Sayani_Pandit/statu ... 4733481985

Panditayan @Sayani_Pandit

So the rioters in meerut few hours before the riots started closed their shops! @myogiadityanath demands probe! And that is what makes him the best leader!! @Cawnporiaah @ZLaTaNp1KacHu10 @R0adside_M0nk_ @Shinu11_11 @UnSubtleDesi

Top item if you can read hinti ..

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 25 Dec 2019 22:05

Its pretty much apparent that these protests are based on pent up frustrations of liberals about recent events starting with 2019 election results, followed by 370, RJB etc. I am pretty sure BIF anticipated that CAB would be passed and made in to an law and were using this as an opportunity to carry out an experiment where using violence as a means to regain some lost influence.

The above is pretty much openly stated (of course in a suave polished liberal way) in one of the Guardian Articles.

India: largest protests in decades signal Modi may have gone too far

“In Modi’s first term you saw it gradually through the fostering of an ecosystem that was hostile to Muslims, where for example those who carried out vigilante lynchings of Muslims could act with complete impunity.

“But in the past six months, the alacrity with which they have escalated the Hindu nationalist project, first with revoking article 370 in Kashmir, then banning the triple Talaq [an instant divorce allowed in Islam], then the favourable verdict for the Ram Mandir [the temple in Ayodhya], there is this sense that they are on a roll and can accomplish whatever they want.

What is concerning is the level of organization, planning & viciousness shown against law enforcement. RAF etc. specializes in riot control but this time, in one of the events in UP, almost the mob cornered RAF along with some police personnel in a station and set it on fire. To me, it seems like the mob & their planners have closely followed & watched HK protests & their tactics to counter HK police action and similar ones are being used in India.

Having said all of the above, my belief is that Govt should focus more on fixing the economy first.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 25 Dec 2019 22:06

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/give ... 191225.htm
Give wrong names, addresses for NPR: Arundhati Roy
December 25, 2019 20:12 IST
Author-activist Arundhati Roy on Wednesday claimed that the National Population Register will serve as a database for the National Register of Citizens and asked people to oppose the former by furnishing wrong names and addresses.
Addressing a protest gathering at Delhi University, she also claimed that the NRC was targeted against the Muslims of the country.
Union home minister Amit Shah has already said there was no link between the NPR and the NRC and their databases cannot be used for each other.
The Union Cabinet on Tuesday approved Rs 3,941.35 crore for updating the National Population Register.
A "usual resident" is defined for the purposes of NPR as a person who has resided in a local area for the past six months or more or a person who intends to reside in that area for the next six months or more.
The data for National Population Register was collected in 2010 along with the house-listing phase of Census of India 2011.
The data was updated in 2015 by conducting door-to-door survey.
Roy said that officials will visit people's homes under NPR exercise for taking their names, addresses and other details.
"They will visit your homes, take your name, phone number and ask for documents like Aadhaar and driving licences. The NPR will become database of NRC. "We need to fight against it and have a plan. When they visit your home for NPR, and ask for your name give them some different name... .For address say 7 RCR. A lot of subversion will be needed, we are not born to face lathis and bullets," she told the protest meeting.
Roy accused Prime Minister Narendra Modi of telling a "lie" at his Ramlila Ground rally in New Delhi on Sunday that his government never said anything about the NRC process and that there are no detention camps in the country. "He told the lie knowing that it will be caught but still he lied because he has media with him which will not question him."
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Gautam

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Dec 2019 22:13

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.rediff.com/news/report/give ... 191225.htm
Give wrong names, addresses for NPR: Arundhati Roy
December 25, 2019 20:12 IST
Author-activist Arundhati Roy on Wednesday claimed that the National Population Register will serve as a database for the National Register of Citizens and asked people to oppose the former by furnishing wrong names and addresses.
Addressing a protest gathering at Delhi University, she also claimed that the NRC was targeted against the Muslims of the country.
Union home minister Amit Shah has already said there was no link between the NPR and the NRC and their databases cannot be used for each other.
The Union Cabinet on Tuesday approved Rs 3,941.35 crore for updating the National Population Register.
A "usual resident" is defined for the purposes of NPR as a person who has resided in a local area for the past six months or more or a person who intends to reside in that area for the next six months or more.
The data for National Population Register was collected in 2010 along with the house-listing phase of Census of India 2011.
The data was updated in 2015 by conducting door-to-door survey.
Roy said that officials will visit people's homes under NPR exercise for taking their names, addresses and other details.
"They will visit your homes, take your name, phone number and ask for documents like Aadhaar and driving licences. The NPR will become database of NRC. "We need to fight against it and have a plan. When they visit your home for NPR, and ask for your name give them some different name... .For address say 7 RCR. A lot of subversion will be needed, we are not born to face lathis and bullets," she told the protest meeting.
Roy accused Prime Minister Narendra Modi of telling a "lie" at his Ramlila Ground rally in New Delhi on Sunday that his government never said anything about the NRC process and that there are no detention camps in the country. "He told the lie knowing that it will be caught but still he lied because he has media with him which will not question him."
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Gautam

Yup ... this is to be expected from ADhoti Roy .. a NO brainer

You are sitting in House # NNN, XXX Street, YYY Locality & ZZZ City and you will give the Address as House # MMM, AAA Street, BBB Locality & CCC City.

Very legit NO brainer this ADhoti!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Dec 2019 22:17

No fear of Sena breaking apart ... just identity pangs after having a Hex change.

https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/1209808722467278850

NDTV @ndtv

Against party line, Shiv Sena MP's support to NRC, #CitizenshipLaw.
https://ndtv.com/india-news/aga

https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/120 ... e]iMac_too @iMac_too

Sena may be a Marathi party in Mumbai belt, it's Hindutva votes that it gets in Marathwada. Jehadis rampaging on streets will unnerve their MPs of that region[/quote]Legit!

https://twitter.com/ANINewsUP/status/12 ... 1857532928

ANI UP @ANINewsUP

Yamuna Prasad, SP Sambhal: 55 persons have been identified & posters are being released for the identification of 150 people who were involved in violence. 48 persons have been arrested so far. Three cases have been registered for spreading hateful messages and videos.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Dec 2019 22:18

Subramaniam Swamy says ADothi can and must be arrested for her instigation of Muslims against Hindus, and her urging of people to give govt false info on NPR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYkayyZ6tDg

Is is just hyperbole, or can she be arrested? It will be a risky gambit because she will become a martyr, and of course, it will surely invite 'international' condemnation and possibly even intervention. ModiJi is a strong leader, but can he be this strong? Or is it not worth wasting time on her? I am asking assuming there are sound legal grounds under which she can be arrested.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Dec 2019 22:20

twitter

More discrimination in Modi’s fascist India.
A Swara Bhaskar can freely criticise Modi-Shah without being arrested but a Payal Rohatgi will be immediately arrested if she talks about Nehru.
Why this discrimination Modi Ji?

banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 25 Dec 2019 22:32

banrjeer wrote:
Varoon Shekhar wrote:Much of the opposition to the CAA and NRC, is about the dislike and consternation of the narrative of Hindus being persecuted in 3 neighbouring Moslem majority countries. That doesn't sit well with 'secularists' and the left. The idea of Hindus being front and centre is distasteful to this group. Any Hindu suffering or persecution must be subsumed under "refugees of any persuasion fleeing persecution". Hindus must not be identified, let alone given any preference.
Yes this dawned on me 20 years back. Hindu is effectively a word like nigger was in the segregation era. Since there are not that many Hindus in the west it’s still used in innocuous fashion and Indians are gullible enough to use it.

But institutionally it’s different. How dare these coolies issue ids passports count their citizens collect taxes, count votes.

This is what it means

In the pecking order of political correctness and selective outrage. Women, blacks, LGBTQ and Jews then Muslims then its average humans, Hindus are at the bottom just above fascist and nazi and the distinction can be blurry.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Dec 2019 22:37

The language of Bollywood lovers is so articulate. After all it's Hindus who has suffered so all is fine. You Hindu learn to stay quiet. It won't matter once critical mass is reached. After that what you say wouldn't matter and you won't stay alive to speak either.

Low IQ Bollywood entertainers in their mad rush to appear ‘concerned secular citizens’ end up spreading falsehood, endorsing Pakistan
https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/bollywo ... formation/

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Dec 2019 22:40

Threaten to kill Hindus. So secular. The sickness of secularism is so fashionable. Italian fashion?

Anti CAA riots: Calls made to Mangaluru police threaten to assassinate PM Modi, kill policemen and their family members
https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/mangalu ... nate-modi/

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 25 Dec 2019 22:44

Kind of disagree with you there on the order, its lizards> fags>women-poc>women-white= crotch crusaders= blacks>men-poc>men-muslim>men-white Christian=hindu>Hitler jugend=incel.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 25 Dec 2019 22:47

Sachin wrote:twitter
Three of our Biggest Civilisational mistakes -
1. We left our primary education in hands of Christians,
2. We left our history in hands of Communists
3. We left our entertainment in hands of Islamists
To reduce this to even a more simpler statement
Gullible Hindus believing that Nehru chacha and Gandhi-ji were there to do any good for them. QED !

4) We left our Temples in the hands of the Government,
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UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Dec 2019 22:56

pankajs wrote:https://www.amarujala.com/uttar-pradesh ... gainst-caa
अलीगढ़ पुलिस के पास आए कॉल, 36 में से 16 पत्थरबाजों के मिले नाम-पते

UP Bolice has pasted wanted posters all over to help identify stone-pelters and rioters with a reward scheme attached. Result: In Azamgarh, 16 out of 36 have been identified already with name and address.

This is what has made the rioters wary apart from the threat to auction their properties to recover the damages.

And beepul think, BIF, out of the goodness of their heart have pulled back!

Look at the motorcyclists looking at the Wanted Posters. How many helments do u count?

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Dec 2019 23:05

Hindus be seculars. Get in line to collect membership cards.

Hostile Takeover: Andhra Government’s Misguided Attempt To Control Ahobilam Temples Comes To Light
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/hostil ... s-to-light

DharmaB · Post by **DharmaB** » 25 Dec 2019 23:15

Nihat wrote:Keeping all other aspects aside, what is the practical gain to the nation from CAA, especially over a more pressing need like a population control law.

We certainly don't need any more people in this country, the ones already here are having it tough enough with not enough jobs and poor quality of life. Why bother with refugees at this point of time when clearly those residing here should have first and only right of resources.

Your logic is folly. It is our civilizational duty to come to the rescue of minorities (our left out brothers ) suffering at the hands of wolves, due to the mistakes our leaders committed at the time of partition in the name of secularism or so called idealism. It is now clearly evident that it failed totally on both sides.

In Ramayana, the war happened to rescue Sita. If Vanars argue that why should millions of lives put to rescue just to save one life of Sita, it would not have existed ( Ramayana) to held it in high regard all along the history. It was based on the fundamental principle of Dharma to save the righteousness from tyranny. It is not about numbers, but to upheld Dharma, at whatever the cost may required to pay.

Similarly, Mahabharat war would not have happened, if other kings assumed it is none of their business and would not have participated in war just to give Pandavas their rightful share or just to avenge the insult of Draupadi. It was fought mainly to upheld Dharma.

Times might have changed, but the fundamental laws of society by and large will not change or will not work that way. If selfishness is the ultimate motto, then it will lead to chaos and everyone is left alone to save himself or herself.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Dec 2019 23:26

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 25 Dec 2019 23:35

g.sarkar wrote: Give wrong names, addresses for NPR: Arundhati Roy
December 25, 2019 20:12 IST
Author-activist Arundhati Roy on Wednesday claimed that the National Population Register will serve as a database for the National Register of Citizens and asked people to oppose the former by furnishing wrong names and addresses.
...
The Union Cabinet on Tuesday approved Rs 3,941.35 crore for updating the National Population Register.
A "usual resident" is defined for the purposes of NPR as a person who has resided in a local area for the past six months or more or a person who intends to reside in that area for the next six months or more.
The data for National Population Register was collected in 2010 along with the house-listing phase of Census of India 2011.
The data was updated in 2015 by conducting door-to-door survey.
Roy said that officials will visit people's homes under NPR exercise for taking their names, addresses and other details.
"They will visit your homes, take your name, phone number and ask for documents like Aadhaar and driving licences. The NPR will become database of NRC. "We need to fight against it and have a plan. When they visit your home for NPR, and ask for your name give them some different name...

This is not reply to that retard Roy per se but following her advice is disaster for any even lefty person of her ilk.

If you give wrong data and in the future they tie that data to other databases, you're sure will be caught in the vicious cycle of roaming around offices and paying bribes to get even basic things done. I don't think any one poor or middle class person fall for that as they depend on Government services a lot - wrong data means government can save money you as beneficiary is removed. If you have some property and bank balance it is worse as government can swallow your property/money. If you're caught in law enforcement/criminal cases, you can't even go for justice. Even a Sanyasi can't live off the grid unless you have a Himalaya cave.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 26 Dec 2019 00:00

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aziz+ ... 92fc279cd8

The disturbance act was just applied in Anand (15+ years too late). However, the property above was acquired in middle of the Hindu area and by ignoring of petitions of Hindus in the area as the act wasn't applied to this area till this month. This strategic acquisition gives legitimate excuse for green groups to enter the heart of this area. Any given day you don't know what this group is in this area for. Does anyone remember Kashmir where Hindus got used to greens in their area till one day they took off the garb and made them flee?

What's the recourse of Hindus in this area where the law was not applied in time?

greatde · Post by **greatde** » 26 Dec 2019 00:12

Seems merging of 2nd tier leaders into BJP is not paying any dividends. Be it MH, Haryana or Jharkhand, BJP has gotten new people from other parties yet failed to increase substantially vote share. Why? So BJP need a proper alliance with regional parties than merging of their 2nd tier leaders... Or they have to make sure regional parties dont come together to fight BJP.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 26 Dec 2019 00:45

Times might have changed, but the fundamental laws of society by and large will not change or will not work that way. If selfishness is the ultimate motto, then it will lead to chaos and everyone is left alone to save himself or herself

Like dark age of Europe? How would such laws of Dharma apply in a mediaeval times of Europe.

The laws stated above (not just warfare) are for dharmic society. So it's upto dharmic people to stay together (sangathan).

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 26 Dec 2019 05:33

Bengal politician , a critic of CAA, cancels trip as Bangladesh ‘denies visa’ - Debasis Konar

KOLKATA: West Bengal minister Siddiqullah Choudhury on Wednesday said he was forced to cancel his six-day Bangladesh trip, beginning Thursday, after “being denied visa”. Siddiqullah, who is also the Bengal unit president of the Jamiat-e-Ulama, claimed that his “purely personal visit” had been cleared by both the West Bengal government and the external affairs ministry
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A senior Bangladesh deputy high commission official, however, refused to either confirm or deny the “visa cancellation” claim and only said the “necessary clearance from Dhaka” hadn’t yet reached “our office in Kolkata”.

Siddiqullah had applied for visa on December 23, the official said. “We forward visa applications to Dhaka to get necessary clearance in certain cases. The clearance from Dhaka has not yet reached our Kolkata office. Our office was closed on Wednesday for Christmas,” he said.

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nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 26 Dec 2019 09:06

darshan wrote:https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aziz+ ... 92fc279cd8

The disturbance act was just applied in Anand (15+ years too late). However, the property above was acquired in middle of the Hindu area and by ignoring of petitions of Hindus in the area as the act wasn't applied to this area till this month. This strategic acquisition gives legitimate excuse for green groups to enter the heart of this area. Any given day you don't know what this group is in this area for. Does anyone remember Kashmir where Hindus got used to greens in their area till one day they took off the garb and made them flee?

What's the recourse of Hindus in this area where the law was not applied in time?

But who sold the land in the first place?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 26 Dec 2019 09:07

Polis are not so innocent as u might think...

..following the violence, numerous reports have trickled down hinting that these protests which were touted as “a spontaneous outburst of anger against the government” were in reality meticulously planned riots.
In the wake of the violence that rocked the town of Firozabad, it came to the notice of the local administration that there were stones and bricks placed on the roofs of the houses in the areas that witnessed violence. The drone camera employed by the law enforcement to keep surveillance about the law and order situation in the city had captured images of the houses where stones were kept on the terrace.
According to DM Chandravijay Singh and SSP Sachindra Patel, drones were flown over the city for two days-Sunday and Monday to keep a tab on houses in Nalband square, Urvashi Tiraha, Mohalla Rajputana, Naini Glass and Jatavpuri, areas where stone-pelting and cases of arson were reported on Friday.

The landlords of the 57 houses have been issued a legal notice asking them to get the stones and bricks removed from the roofs of their respective houses

I absolutely LOVE that... the landlords are being told that the guvrmand knows what is going on...

Next order may be to add to the rubble pile - with the rubble that used to be their houses.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Dec 2019 09:31

darshan wrote:The language of Bollywood lovers is so articulate. After all it's Hindus who has suffered so all is fine. You Hindu learn to stay quiet. It won't matter once critical mass is reached. After that what you say wouldn't matter and you won't stay alive to speak either.

Low IQ Bollywood entertainers in their mad rush to appear ‘concerned secular citizens’ end up spreading falsehood, endorsing Pakistan
https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/bollywo ... formation/

The disease not only afflicts Bhai-wood but all the wannabe workers of Movie industry across India.
IMO, Main part of the reason is to get mileage and stay in the news cycle since tweets & Insta posts will be primary source of spreading message for next few years.
Image if you are out of work nobody like Swara, Richa or nowadays Pariniti Chopra (Thank you nepotism but Who the F%*K is Sidharth BTW) or trying to be new age MGR ( KamalHassan , Praksah Raj?? ), What better way than to run down Hindu faith and by association, BJP Govt.
If you are a moronic idiot like Anurag Kashyap, then you are just plain idiot and if you are closet Islamists like Javed Akhtar family, Then you are are acting as per the Islamic script plus this Ashraf desire to look superior.
I don't even for a second believe that those in movie industry have much of principles or values left in them. They are the ones who make 'Singham' or 'Sacred Games' first where Police brutality (or Gangster looking cool) and on spot justice is shown and make Heroes out of such stories then cry buckets when Police actually acts in the same way.
As far Islamic and Xtian players in the movie industry, they act and speak so as to spread FUD and have a vested interest in getting rid of any Indic govt.

Lot of smart folks in Movie industry tend to keep their opinion ot themselves as it adds nothing to the narrative. I saw one interview by Ajay Devgan where he was asked about CAA and he chose to keep his mouth shut rather than blabber out anything and everything.

PS: Another reason is that our Movie industry (Mostly Bhai-wood) tries to be a cheap copy of Hollywood and if Hollywood stars can go ape $hit crazy about Republican Presidents, so can we by acting like cheap and fake copy of Hollywood.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 26 Dec 2019 10:00

CRamS wrote:Subramaniam Swamy says ADothi can and must be arrested for her instigation of Muslims against Hindus, and her urging of people to give govt false info on NPR

I read that GoI has asked for the exact details on the event in which she made this comment. GoI need not target her to get the message across, as that would only make her a martyr. A.Roy is actually now in an vanvaas mode with no one caring two hoots for her. She is completely ignored by every one, so this may be her gimmick to come back to lime light. What GoI can do is to clearly put up the guide lines on the census, and how giving wrong data would be detrimental to the individual. And in parallel also inform the state governments that if their own staff indulge in malpractise and wilfully feeds in junk data the PR rules would be applied to them, s-crewing up their careers. And as I said data validation has to be done outside a state's boundaries so that state government agency managed cheating/fraud can be detected.

Vikas wrote:The disease not only afflicts Bhai-wood but all the wannabe workers of Movie industry across India.

As I said entertainment industry in India is heavily controlled by financiers (legal & illegal) from the Muslim community. Bollywood is Bhai-wood and that is now pretty much known to every one. Kerala film industry also came into the hawala nexus some time in mid 2000s when big budget films started being made with no one very sure on where the money came from. This was also the time when the movie stars also started getting paid in crores (do they pay Income Tax legitamately, I don't know). So any *wood in India, where movies generally also get distributed world wide; chances are very high that there is mafia involvement.

Why are Kannada actors mum? - was what Deccan Herald asked yesterday. The CAA is a done deal and cannot be reversed. I think only those strongly against such a deal will protest while others will keep silent. I think the majority---among those who are educated---are actually in favour of the deal. Most Kannada actors, I am pretty sure, are in favour of the new law. - was the answer from an "expert". Kannada movies may not be the most talked ones in India and abroad. But looks like most of the producers and actors involved here are true mannine magas (son's of the soil).

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 26 Dec 2019 11:26

Just to add support and remember names, below are a few actors who seem pro-Indic-

Anupam kher
Paresh Rawal
Ajay Devgn
Akshay kumar
Jimmy Shergill
Kangana Ranaut
John Abraham (?)

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Dec 2019 11:57

kittoo wrote:Just to add support and remember names, below are a few actors who seem pro-Indic-

Anupam kher
Paresh Rawal
Ajay Devgn
Akshay kumar
Jimmy Shergill
Kangana Ranaut
John Abraham (?)

How can you miss Thalivar, Sh. Rajnikanth..Hain ji.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 26 Dec 2019 13:19

Vikas wrote:
kittoo wrote:Just to add support and remember names, below are a few actors who seem pro-Indic-

Anupam kher
Paresh Rawal
Ajay Devgn
Akshay kumar
Jimmy Shergill
Kangana Ranaut
John Abraham (?)
How can you miss Thalivar, Sh. Rajnikanth..Hain ji.

Nana Patekar
Payal Rohatgi

How can you forget Atul Agnihotri the creator of Buddha in a traffic jam, Taskhent Files and other movies!

Nsmith · Post by **Nsmith** » 26 Dec 2019 13:46

SBajwa wrote:
Vikas wrote:
How can you miss Thalivar, Sh. Rajnikanth..Hain ji.
Nana Patekar
Payal Rohatgi

How can you forget Atul Agnihotri the creator of Buddha in a traffic jam, Taskhent Files and other movies!

That'll be Vivek Agnihotri. Few other names that pop up:

Vivek Oberoi
Raveena Tandon
Salim Khan (Sallu's dad) - though it'll be interesting to know his thoughts on the ongoing protests...
Prasoon Joshi

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 26 Dec 2019 14:08

Nsmith wrote:
SBajwa wrote:
Nana Patekar
Payal Rohatgi

How can you forget Atul Agnihotri the creator of Buddha in a traffic jam, Taskhent Files and other movies!
That'll be Vivek Agnihotri. Few other names that pop up:

Vivek Oberoi
Raveena Tandon
Salim Khan (Sally's dad) - though it'll be interesting to know his thoughts on the ongoing protests...
Prasoon Joshi

Sorry! that is what I meant Vivek Agnihotri!! He is the one who started all this!!

I cannot decide whether Piyush Mishra is a nationalist or not!

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 26 Dec 2019 14:28

kittoo wrote:Just to add support and remember names, below are a few actors who seem pro-Indic-

Anupam kher
Paresh Rawal
Ajay Devgn
Akshay kumar
Jimmy Shergill
Kangana Ranaut
John Abraham (?)

Not John Abraham. He's known to support communist party.