Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Prem Kumar » 22 Nov 2019 09:26



Brilliant!! Provides strong OIT support and demolishes several AIT lies. I love how multidisciplinary scientists from India are taking apart AIT.

Lie #1: the original lie. There was no Saraswati. There was only an Indus civilization
Lie #2: there was a Saraswati, but it was the corrupted version of Harahvaiti, which was a river in Afghanistan that the Aryans first encountered
Lie #3: Saraswati river existed. But it was seasonal. The civilization depended on monsoon rains & were subject to the vagaries of the river

Reality #1: Saraswati existed. In modern times, the Gaggar Hakra flows in its paleochannel. The original river is very ancient: 80k years old :shock:
Reality #2: It was big & perennial from 80kya - 20kya. Importantly, it was perennial 9kya - 4.5 kya (Saraswati/Harappan civilization time window)
Reality #3: It supported the most extensive Bronze Age civilization
Reality #4: The Rig Veda spoke of this very same, massive Saraswati river, that was "as wide as the ocean" & "flowed from Himalayas to the sea"
Reality #5: Since the Saraswati started breaking up around 4500 years ago, it marked the zenith & subsequent decline of the Harappan civilization
Reality #6: The above dates place Rig Veda comfortably prior to 4500 years ago
Reality #7: After 4500 years ago, the Saraswati civilization de-urbanized, people moved upstream and downstream of the river

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby sudarshan » 05 Jan 2020 21:35

Rig Vedic references to Yahweh?

Disappointed in above article. Repeatedly makes the claim of "Rig Veda mentions Yahweh multiple times," but doesn't present a single verse in corroboration.

Does the Rig Veda really mention Yahweh?

If the word Yahweh had been used only infrequently in Hindu scriptures, we might have assumed that it was an orchestrated import. But on the contrary, the word appears dozens of times in the Rig Veda, in multiple declensions, as a noun, a verb, an adverb or an adjective.


You'd think a claim like the above would be easy to back up with verses.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby sudarshan » 06 Jan 2020 08:40

One of the commenters seems to have torn into the author of that article. I wish the comment hadn't been that rude, but I agree with the gist of it.

Either the author took Swarajyamag for a ride, or somebody took the author himself for a ride. Either way, Swarajyamag's credibility has taken a hit in my eyes, if they're going to publish such arrant nonsense as the above with no oversight or cross-checking.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Prem Kumar » 06 Jan 2020 09:44

Shoddy article. I think Swarajya is probably understaffed and sometimes an farticle likes this slips through the cracks.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Prem » 06 Jan 2020 11:03

sudarshan wrote:Rig Vedic references to Yahweh?Disappointed in above article. Repeatedly makes the claim of "Rig Veda mentions Yahweh multiple times," but doesn't present a single verse in corroboration.Does the Rig Veda really mention Yahweh?
If the word Yahweh had been used only infrequently in Hindu scriptures, we might have assumed that it was an orchestrated import. But on the contrary, the word appears dozens of times in the Rig Veda, in multiple declensions, as a noun, a verb, an adverb or an adjective.

You'd think a claim like the above would be easy to back up with verses.

Author may have picked up the idea from here
http://www.himavanti.org/en/c/himavanti ... ndian-veda

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby sudarshan » 08 Jan 2020 04:52

Prem wrote: Author may have picked up the idea from here
http://www.himavanti.org/en/c/himavanti ... ndian-veda


That link does quote verses with locations, thanks. And there are also a lot of "yahvah"s in those verses. The correspondence with "Yahweh," if any, is at best tenuous, just based on similar sounds. Anyways....

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Rony » 30 Jan 2020 07:20

https://twitter.com/NirajRai3/status/12 ... 53057?s=20


Another Breakthrough -
introgression of indicine-derived DNA into Central Italian white cattle breeds, possibly as the result of several gene flow events during agro-pastrolist Out of India Migration about 8000 years ago.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-57880-4


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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Deans » 08 May 2020 14:41

I'm not sure this book has been mentioned so far - I've just finished reading `The Sarasvati Civilisation' by Maj Gen GD Bakshi .
Its free on Kindle unlimited - though I would urge Rakshaks to buy it.
The author needs no introduction and I've had the pleasure of knowing him personally - one of the few writing on this subject, who has a pro India / Indic view.

The book has a great deal of research across multiple disciplines - geology, archaeology, remote sensing, religious texts, linguistics etc.
Impressive that he has moved from writing on military subjects to a book in this area- which required a huge amount of research at the age of 70
with no backup (a good editor would have add more value though). A must read for all true Indians and a book that needs to be widely publicised.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Rony » 12 May 2020 02:58

'Majority South Asians are descendants of Harappans'

"There was no Aryan invasion or migration but movement was happening throughout from the beginning of agriculture in South Asia....neither Steppes pastorals nor Iranian farmers contributed to the South Asian ancestry," he said.

According to him, in Rakhigarhi samples they found that Harappans were not carrying any genetic signatures from Iranian-related ancestry. Genetically, Steppe introgression has not happened until 1000 BCE. Mixing with Steppes was gradual and not sudden and thus rejects the invasion or replacement of the local South Asian with Steppes.

Prof Shinde said that it was also evident that there was a significant movement of Harappans towards Central Asia. There is presence of Harappan-like ancestry in Turkmenistan and Iran contemporary to Mature Indus Valley era. The genetic results also indicate that Vedic knowledge was indigenous and not brought by so-called Indo-Aryans.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Rony » 26 May 2020 03:20

Proto Indo-European Mythology: Nick Allen Was More Of A Seer Than We Realised

Nick Allen has repeatedly shown that in many parallel motifs in the Mahabharata and in Homer’s epics, the Indian version contains a spiritual element lacking in the European version.

So, yoga existed in the Indo-European homeland, but the Greeks lost it.

The logical explanation, which stares him in the face but which he as an invasionist fails to draw, is that this dimension was lost in the rough and tumble of the trek to their historical habitat.

The most precious elements are the ones that get lost most easily, such as in a corpse, where the brain starts disintegrating at once whereas the skeleton can last for centuries.

Similarly, the twists in the story were more or less preserved but the subtle yoga teachings in it were gradually forgotten, with only a remnant like the Single Eye reminding of it.

In that case, India was their common homeland, but only the stay-behind Indians had the comfort of a stable situation where they could preserve the most subtle layer of their stories.

The invasionist explanation would be that the Aryan barbarians did not have this profound layer to their narratives, but reinterpreted these once they interiorised the native Indian tradition of yoga.

This is not impossible, but in that case they would not so much have added a new content to their old stories, but adopted the appropriate aboriginal stories that transmitted the yoga doctrines.

This promising first impression needs to be verified in closer research, informed by a knowledge of Indian spirituality.


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