Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

John · Post by **John** » 06 Feb 2020 19:49

chola wrote:^^^ The market is going up because the external infection and death rate is miniscule.

If there were 750000 infected and 25000 deaths in Cheen and only 200 infected and one dead in the rest of the world then the disease had effectively been stopped at the borders of China. Only 0.0002% of the infection happened outside of Cheen and only 0.0004% of the deaths. The chances of people dying from this thing outside of Cheen is practically non-existent.

If Cheen is hiding even greater amounts of deaths in China then those percentages go even lower for the rest of the world. This disease has no real health impact on anyone except for Cheen. I hope they are covering up millions of infections and deaths in Cheen. But that would be too good to be true. lol

It is not the death toll, China is the 2nd biggest economy and quarantine has huge impact on all supply chains and multinationals. Yum China basically said there sales are down 50% on stores that are open. Surprised they came out and reported inspite of Chinese censor probably because of their ownership by Yum brands.

kit · Post by **kit** » 06 Feb 2020 20:19

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

Given the report estimated over 75,000 cases on Jan. 25, and the Feb. 1 post was seven days later, the number of cases in Wuhan alone according to the model should have reached 150,000, uncannily close to the 154,023 listed for all of China on the Tencent page. With nearly 12 days having passed since the report was released, the model predicts the number of infections in Wuhan would now stand at 300,000.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 06 Feb 2020 20:37

Note that if you caught a cold this January in cheen, esp. WooHan, you would be presumed to have CV and be one of those cases.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 06 Feb 2020 21:49

Tencent data leak rumors prompted me to check mathematically what can be calculated. Here is the analysis of it. I have used simple SIR model unlike the research paper from Lancet which uses SEIR. All kind of criticism are welcome as I have no knowledge in this field.
The assumption or input to the model is

Infection rate against John Hopkin data. It makes a close match John Hopkin data. Just to get confidence in the model.

As per my calc peak will be some time in late Feb. Unlike the paper which quotes April for 0% change in transmissivity. Also i think i am not able to match the peak number too. I am predicting too big infection numbers.

Here is full SIR model.

Just for reference i am also posting the graphs from paper. Also note this graphs are done using data upto jan 25th.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 06 Feb 2020 22:00

UlanBatori wrote:Note that if you caught a cold this January in cheen, esp. WooHan, you would be presumed to have CV and be one of those cases.

No, you will be in a suspected case category and would be moved into an infected or recovered category.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 06 Feb 2020 22:19

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 987848.cms
Few days one of the BRFite members had argued for India to evacuate the Pakistani students.
Here you go sir!!
Hopefully your wish will come true!
And many birds will be killed by one stone don't you think!!

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Feb 2020 02:13

Yes, it would be better if the request came from the Pakistani students. India should give them a hearing and fly them out promptly. I’d like to see the shaheed bagh wallahs protest that.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 02:14

"Paki students are returning to terroristan but w/o the quarantine.."
There u go. By BRF predictions, everyone in Pakistan is CV-meat now.
Hope India sets up quarantine facilities at Yellowsea for intruding abduls to use.

Sanjayji: Don't give them ideas. They might bring the Paki students into JNU and Jamia Milla to continue their high-class education in halal madarsas.
Wait a second.... nah! too cruel to follow that thought.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 07 Feb 2020 02:38

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/all- ... 200206.htm
All 645 evacuated from Wuhan test negative for coronavirus
Source: PTI - Edited By: Hemant Waje, February 06, 2020
All 645 people evacuated from China's Wuhan city, who were lodged at the quarantine facilities set up by the Army and Indo Tibetan Border Police in and around Delhi, have tested negative for coronavirus, the Union health ministry said on Thursday.
All 645 evacuated from Wuhan test negative for coronavirus
Source: PTI - Edited By: Hemant WajeFebruary 06, 2020 23:42 IST
All 645 people evacuated from China's Wuhan city, who were lodged at the quarantine facilities set up by the Army and Indo Tibetan Border Police in and around Delhi, have tested negative for coronavirus, the Union health ministry said on Thursday.
Besides, 557 samples from suspected cases throughout the country were referred to ICMR network laboratories, out of which 510 tested negative and three were confirmed laboratory positive for nCoV.
The rest of the samples are under the process. Community surveillance and contact tracing is being carried out by IDSP for 6,558 persons across 32 states/UTs.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/chin ... 200206.htm
Chinese doctor who 1st warned about coronavirus outbreak dies
By K J M Varma, February 06, 2020.
Chinese doctor Li Wenliang, one of the eight whistle-blowers who warned other medics of the coronavirus outbreak but were reprimanded by the police, died of the epidemic on Thursday, official media reported.
Li, a 34-year-old doctor who tried to warn other medics of the epidemic, died of coronavirus on Thursday in Wuhan, the state-run Global Times reported.
He was the first to report about the virus way back in December last year when it first emerged in Wuhan, the provincial capital of China's central Hubei province. He dropped a bombshell in his medical school alumni group on the popular Chinese messaging app WeChat that seven patients from a local seafood market had been diagnosed with a SARS-like illness and quarantined in his hospital.
Li explained that, according to a test he had seen, the illness was a coronavirus -- a large family of viruses that includes severe acute respiratory syndrome which led to 800 death in China and the world in 2003.
Li told his friends to warn their loved ones privately. But within hours screenshots of his messages had gone viral, without his name being blurred.
"When I saw them circulating online, I realised that it was out of my control and I would probably be punished," Li was quoted as saying CNN recently.
......
Gautam

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 03:15

RT.com: Cheen mad at Nazi racism:

Beijing has slammed “some particular” German media over spreading “discrimination and xenophobia” in the face of the deadly coronavirus outbreak. And it appears a leading German magazine has {painted a target on its own ass}
“Some particular media and media representatives, who have supposedly signed up to the values of objectivity and rationality, do not shy away from publishing racist statements and tolerating xenophobic tendencies, directed against China in particular,” the Chinese Embassy in Beijing said in a damning statement as it minced no words to express its “strong protest” and “highest dissatisfaction” over the issue.It went on to state that “freedom of the press cannot be used to foster racist sentiments in German society,” adding that the Chinese and the Germans alike were “openly opposed” to the “dangerous tendencies” displayed by some media outlets. The diplomats, however, stopped short of actually naming any of them. Yet, the condemnatory statement conspicuously came just days after one of Germany’s leading magazines – Der Spiegel – came out with a cover showing a person in protective gear and a headline reading: ‘Coronavirus. Made in China. When globalization turns into a deadly threat’.
#coronarivirus#China#coronaThe German magazine "Der Spiegel" has published a cover with the image of a man wearing anti-corona virus # Coronas written below (Corona virus made in China) and the Chinese embassy in Berlin protesting pic.twitter.com/rWd27KCclY
— Mister Vip (@rossiinter) February 4, 2020
This fact did not escape the attention of some people on Twitter, who assumed that they found the supposed culprit behind China’s wave of outrage. Some called it “a terrible journalism example” while others simply said that this latest cover is “not quite one of their best.”
First, some idiots attacked a 23 yrs old Chinese girl and then a terrible journalism example using the words on Der Spiegel's cover and targeted a country and its people saying "Corona-Virus, Made in China, Wenn die Globalisierung zur tödlichen Gefahr wird" pic.twitter.com/zjvu0q46Jb
— Gökhan Kurt (@gokhankurt) February 5, 2020
Not quite one of their best. The Der Spiegel cover that got #China upset. pic.twitter.com/KSlpL4L7KS
— Nirmal Ghosh (@karmanomad) February 5, 2020
The story behind the controversial headline appears to be quite neutral and deals with the potential impact of the coronavirus epidemic on the global economy, though. Still, a poor choice of headline was apparently not the only blunder by Der Spiegel that didn’t sit well with the Chinese. One of China’s leading news agencies – Xinhua – also singled out another story published by the magazine which it said “described China and the Chinese people using discriminative language.”
The article in question appears to be a satirical opinion piece by Stefan Kuzmany – the head of Der Spiegel’s opinon and debate section. There, Kuzmany seemingly mocks exaggerated fears over the coronavirus outbreak and various speculation associated with it in a form of ‘dud advice’ that really shows what people should not do.

I have a feeling that as they come out of this. Eleven's ppl are going to make an example. Out of Germany.

chola · Post by **chola** » 07 Feb 2020 03:44

* Might have been fake news. *

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 07 Feb 2020 03:50

WTF? Is that a satire site like The Onion?

Edit: It is a fake news website chola. Please delete.

chola · Post by **chola** » 07 Feb 2020 03:58

nachiket wrote:WTF? Is that a satire site like The Onion?

Edit: It is a fake news website chola. Please delete.

Deleted. It was an African-American site. Nothing funny or witty about it like the Onion though.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 04:17

I gather that much more than desh, Cheen are extremely sensitive about the repeated hoopla about virii coming out of their country and the bad press that generates. This is what makes me wonder: what is unique about cheen that so many virii seem to originate there? Anyone who has had to traverse a "chantha" in Malloostan or Sri Lanka will not agree that there is anything uniquely unhygenic about chinese markets. UQ of the 19th and even early 20th century was not far behind. I bet South Korea and Taiwan markets are also not very different in this. Air pollution? Dilli/Kolkata, even Mumbai, are not far behind. Which leaves high concentration of microwave from 5G, mutating virii. Not impossible, but I feel that the wavelength of the 6GHz version is too large to resonate with virus dimensions. People cite 24-86 GHz Millimeter waves, and those sound like they might be much more hazardous in this respect.

But some thought should be given to WHY these cheen-born virii are hitting Prime Time with such regularity: if u were on the CPC Politburo, wouldn't u b curious to find some answers to this?

chola · Post by **chola** » 07 Feb 2020 04:30

^^^ I think it is pretty straight and simple. It is not hygiene but a penchant for live squirming critters plus huge population plus first rate infrastructure. Markets in desh don't carry nearly the same varieties or numbers of live squirming critters.

Look, ebola is caused by people eating monkies but the population is smaller and the infrastructure a lot worse so many other diseases like ebola probably died with their victims in some isolated jungle. In Cheen, a large population and rapid transportation spread new infections a lot more quickly everywhere.

Why you don't see more out of Korea or Taiwan is just a matter of population.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Feb 2020 04:32

madhu wrote:Tencent data leak rumors prompted me to check mathematically what can be calculated. Here is the analysis of it. I have used simple SIR model unlike the research paper from Lancet which uses SEIR.

Nice. Here is a link to Wikipedia page on the different models

A full model would be lot more complicated since one has to take into account things like

Distributions that are spatially non-uniform

The above models are deterministic where as real life is stochastic (if one assumes that transition probabilities are one of the known distributions) or, more likely, random.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Feb 2020 05:19

That is a good question UBG.

The human genome is a fossil record of retroviruses. Those that do not integrate into the DNA won’t be dealt with here. Very likely there were in the past pandemics/epidemics of viruses which likely decimated much of the population and selected for those with any of several possible methods of resistance. Certainly I can see terrible plaques with the domestication of the cow, dog, mouse, rat ( if I can extend the term to rodents ). Also ovine, porcine,canine and feline species. The feline leukaemia virus is puzzling as humans for some as yet unknown reasons are resistant. It is a prime candidate for retroviral integration, to possibly cause disease. HTLV-1 is likely a zoonotic infection as it readily infects various animals.

Perhaps over millennia most such viruses and humans have coevolved ie now live in equilibrium.

Perhaps the Chinese penchant for eating essentially live exotic animals recapitulates the historical process. Zoonotic transmission to a naive host with culling and selection for resistant population.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Feb 2020 05:32

Although halal practices result in exposure to the same animal materials, goats and cattle have been domesticated for thousands of years. I don't know if Koreans have a fixation for exotic wildlife or if there is much left in South Korea. I believe they restrict their attention to dogs. Vietnam until recently has not had the physical, economic and political means of mobility to cause widespread transmission.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 07:14

Koreans are into exotic seafood. Browsing the wildlife candidates for dinner in a Korean market can cause

As you know, the Japanese, for all their advancement, end to play Russian Roulette with their sushi fad. But that's instant localized death, I guess no infection.

Now I will bring up the subject of the "virus" that broke out in Malloostan about 1 or 2 years back. Also blamed on bats and contaminated well water initially, with all the same confusion. Several deaths. Initially, 100% fatality rate.

A village area was very swiftly evacuated and cordoned off, then the entire city of Kozhikode was considered contaminated. Before things got out of hand, cooler Malloo fatalism and raw courage took over: the docs at the Medical College stayed on the job in bloody-minded courage. We knew it was a matter of time. No virus could survive the stink of the Kozhikode fish and meat markets, and the way they drive over there, the virus would have had to close its eyes. Probably leaped in the ocean and swam away to Somalia.

Virus not heard from since. This - and the propaganda that accompanied the Surat Plague attack in the '90s, which is quite well established (source: CDC) to have been a deliberate biological attack. In that event, the Pakis and Ayrabs mistreated India badly, with their flight cancellations leaving thousands of Indian families stranded.

India retaliated: when the tamasha was over, the airlines who had pulled out, were denied landing rights for a while.
This is why I am saying: Karma is coming, to those who diss/backstab cheen at this time. No 2 ways about it. Cheen will make them pay.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 07:21

Meanwhile, the markets are discounting the whole tamasha. Now it is all down to just Baboon harassing airline passengers, as usual.

Futures climb on China plan to cut tariffs on U.S. products
By Medha Singh, Reuters - 8:07 AM ET 2/6/2020 Top News
(Reuters) - U.S. stock index futures rose ..as China's plan to halve additional tariffs on some American goods helped allay fears over the financial fallout of the coronavirus epidemic.
Beijing said it would lower extra levies imposed last year against 1,717 U.S. products, weeks after the signing of a Phase 1 trade deal. The tariff cut follows hefty monetary stimulus by China's central bank earlier this week and is expected to lift investor sentiment, which has been impacted by shutdowns in the world's second largest economy due to the virus outbreak.
A string of positive U.S. economic data too have helped mitigate worries, fueling a three-day rally on Wall Street.
The Nasdaq and the S&P 500 hit record highs in the previous session, with the benchmark index on pace for its best week in eight months after last week's steep pullback.
However, the impact of the health emergency in China continued to show up in corporate reports. Chipmaker Qualcomm Inc hares fell 2.2% in premarket trading.
At 7:09 a.m. ET, Dow e-minis were up 135 points, or 0.46%. S&P 500 e-minis were up 13.75 points, or 0.41% and Nasdaq 100 e-minis were up 50.75 points, or 0.54%.
The fourth-quarter earnings season is more than half done with nearly 70% of S&P 500 companies exceeding their earnings estimates, according to IBES data form Refinitiv. Quarterly profit is expected to have risen 1.6% for the S&P firms.
As the week draws to a close, investor attention will shift to the U.S. jobs report on Friday.
(Reporting by Medha Singh in Bengaluru; Editing by Arun Koyyur)

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Feb 2020 07:28

https://www.who.int/csr/disease/nipah/e ... -india/en/

If this is not PR then yes that was a great job controlling nipah virus. But the case fatality ratio was almost 100%. I believe it’s usually 50%. However the total number of cases was relatively small and this may be statistical artefact.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 07 Feb 2020 07:43

@UB, i'm sure panda would love to pay back. Situation at the moment is that chacha is not giving them much time to take breath. One after the other, bam bam bam. SARS, MERS, Avian bukhar, H1N(pick a number), Swine bukhar, african bukhar, trade war, Hoova-way, CV. And, CV won't be the last one.

(2020) Hundreds of millions of chickens at risk of being wiped out with much of China locked down due to virus

(2019) Swine Fever Is Killing Vast Numbers Of Pigs In China

(2017) Chinese poultry markets closed to stop spread of avian flu

(2013) Shanghai begins poultry slaughter after bird flu found

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 07 Feb 2020 09:17

https://www.spiegel.de/international/wo ... fdb7898343
Will Sniffle Become a Flu for World Economy?
How the Coronavirus Made Globalization a Deadly Threat
The new coronavirus in China has spread at an alarming rate, unsettling citizens and epidemiologists alike. It poses substantial challenges for our modern way of life – and threatens our globalized world where it is most vulnerable.
04.02.2020
By Georg Fahrion, Kristina Gnirke, Veronika Hackenbroch, Martin Hesse, Martin U. Müller, Katharina Graça Peters, Michael Sauga and Bernhard Zand
On the evening of Dec. 30, a young doctor in the Chinese city of Wuhan sent a short text message to a group of colleagues. "Seven cases of SARS have been confirmed at the seafood market in Huanan," he wrote. SARS, the viral disease that broke out in November 2002, claimed 774 lives.
"It was clear to me that we were dealing with a public health issue," the doctor said.
The name of the doctor and the hospital where he works have not been made public. But the story that he told the Beijing Youth Daily newspaper has been shared tens of thousands of times online in China. At 1:30 a.m. on Dec. 31, the municipal health commission summoned the doctor and questioned him several times throughout the day.
Where did he get his information, officials wanted to know? Did he realize he was breaking the law? Did he understand that spreading that kind of information was a punishable offense? "Understood," he wrote on a form, signing his statement with his fingerprint.
But the doctor never got punished. Instead, he got sick.
"On Jan. 10, around noon, I began to cough. The next day, my fever rose. That was when I knew I was in trouble," he said. On Jan. 16, he started having trouble breathing. On Jan. 24, he was transferred to the intensive care unit. From there, he typed out his story on his phone on Jan. 27. He couldn't speak and could only breath with the help of a respirator.
.....
Gautam

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 09:59

sanjaykumar wrote:https://www.who.int/csr/disease/nipah/e ... -india/en/

If this is not PR then yes that was a great job controlling nipah virus. But the case fatality ratio was almost 100%. I believe it’s usually 50%. However the total number of cases was relatively small and this may be statistical artefact.

Hurts me to say good things about LDF guvrmand, so let me think of some WaPo/TheHundi type snicker. The guvrmand was under pressure because of the total f***up related to the freak cyclone that had killed a lot of fishermen the year b4, so was smarting. I think this had something to do with it. Besides, Kozhikode is center of Muslim League and Big Bijnej and they were a key LDF partner. Losing a few doctors in the guvrmand hospitals/ med. college would not have bothered them. I think some medical personnel (nurses I remember) did die, heroes/heroines. But given the 75% death rate containement was essential all right. The evacuation of the villages was more or less spontaneous: people ran away ASAP.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Feb 2020 10:13

I remember the letter the nurse wrote to her husband in the knowledge that she would die of the virus.

There is a Hindoo resonance to her heroic death- she did her duty.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 07 Feb 2020 10:16

Why Wuhan/China and not any part of India? Basically, flu starts, thrives and spreads in the winter. I mean real winter, with dark days, enclosed spaces (to conserve heat) and peoples' immunity at its lowest. Such conditions don't exist in India. Even on the glacier it is bright and sunny. For all our other faults - in terms of public cleanliness, personal hygiene, vectors - these kinds of flu viruses have limited shelf life in India. I guess our native viruses eat the interlopers for breakfast.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 07 Feb 2020 11:05

^^ Plus our cooking style ensures very little chance of survival of viruses. So the incidents of food borne illnesses are generally low. For example, palak and other spinach varieties is almost a staple in various parts of the country, but the first I heard of salmonella was in the US, of all places. Why? There is a significant amount of raw spinach used in salads.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 07 Feb 2020 14:19

chola wrote:
The key is whether people with the disease is dying at a high rate outside Cheen. They are not. There are 191 cases outside Cheen and only one death.

The virus has spread overseas, with 25 nations confirming a total of 191 cases, although there has so far been only one death, in the Philippines.

The issue might be that these 191 cases have been given best medical facilities. Even a big city like Hyderabad probably has less than 5000 ICU units capable of treating pneumonia associated with this virus. Ventilator is the key requirement in bad cases. The higher morality rate in Wuhan might be because of lack of medical facilities to deal with sheer volume of cases. It will be even worse in India.
Only good news is that we might hit 38+ C temperatures in south India when this is anticipated to peak in March/April.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 07 Feb 2020 17:03

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 004798.cms
If the true death figures are released/ and/or true magnitude of the epidemic and the social/economical impact to the Cheen state is released(i.e, unbiased honest opinion and world impact) wonder whether this will turn out to be the 'Afghan Moment' for the Cheen/PLA/XI gin.
I mean it has all the makings of social rumblings to start and mis-/bad handling will only compound the issue.
XI is not seen much.
Do Cheen have the 'habit of coup' to replace leaders (Sure there were issues with 'Gang of Four')!!!

John · Post by **John** » 07 Feb 2020 18:48

milindc wrote:
chola wrote:
The key is whether people with the disease is dying at a high rate outside Cheen. They are not. There are 191 cases outside Cheen and only one death.

The virus has spread overseas, with 25 nations confirming a total of 191 cases, although there has so far been only one death, in the Philippines.
The issue might be that these 191 cases have been given best medical facilities. Even a big city like Hyderabad probably has less than 5000 ICU units capable of treating pneumonia associated with this virus. Ventilator is the key requirement in bad cases. The higher morality rate in Wuhan might be because of lack of medical facilities to deal with sheer volume of cases. It will be even worse in India.
Only good news is that we might hit 38+ C temperatures in south India when this is anticipated to peak in March/April.

Yes exactly Even other parts of China have low mortality because they have ample medical facilities available. That’s why there is fear if it spreads fasts like it did it in Wuhan it can overwhelm local resources causes high # of deaths.

Arun.prabhu · Post by **Arun.prabhu** » 07 Feb 2020 21:17

400 million affected by quarantine now. Almost a third of the population. The Chinese leadership have to be frightened shitless and when I imagine what it would take for any rational actor to quarantine that many, so am I.

John wrote:
milindc wrote:
The issue might be that these 191 cases have been given best medical facilities. Even a big city like Hyderabad probably has less than 5000 ICU units capable of treating pneumonia associated with this virus. Ventilator is the key requirement in bad cases. The higher morality rate in Wuhan might be because of lack of medical facilities to deal with sheer volume of cases. It will be even worse in India.
Only good news is that we might hit 38+ C temperatures in south India when this is anticipated to peak in March/April.
Yes exactly Even other parts of China have low mortality because they have ample medical facilities available. That’s why there is fear if it spreads fasts like it did it in Wuhan it can overwhelm local resources causes high # of deaths.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 21:40

"Quarantine" == "Sec 144 CrPC + Dawn-2-Dusk-2-dawn Curfew"? How do you quarantine the whole population, and whom does that protect?

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 07 Feb 2020 22:20

This is how my model is performing. I am comparing actual with lancet number & my model number (nowcast)
Note normally there will be an lag of actual to prediction. Recovery lags a lot. Moreover, there is no known medication still.

How do you quarantine the whole population, and whom does that protect?

This reduces people to people contact thereby stopping/reducing the infection rate. As we do not have vaccine and the worst part is infection spreads during incubation period unlike MERS or SARS Just by reducing transmission rate and mobility by 50% the graph plateaus.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 22:53

Are these basically military tent-city hospitals? I would have expected to see large hangar-type enclosures popping up but I don't see those: instead there is regular construction equipment.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 22:56

Thanks, Madhu. Makes sense!! Neat idea. Reduce mobility, reduce ppl-2-ppl transmission. If India were to adopt this, the pop growth could be ..(never mind).
What if they find that the CV mutates from a harmless virus into a "virulent" strain whenever the WhatsApp message bell clangs? Like I do?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2020 23:01

Answer to my own pooch:

It is consistent with Beijing's way of dealing with the 2013 SARS outbreak, when a temporary hospital was erected north of the capital in just one week.
Huoshenshan was built near Zhiyin Lake in southwestern Wuhan by some 7,000 carpenters, plumbers, electricians and other construction specialists working around the clock. About 800 pieces of heavy equipment worked simultaneously to get the job done, China's Xinhua news agency reported.
The new hospital is staffed by doctors, nurses and other personnel provided by the Chinese military, who sent 1,400 people to man it. Huoshenshan has 30 intensive care units, double-sided cabinets in which doctors can examine patients without entering isolation wards, robots to deliver food and medicine and take samples from patients, and a video system linked to the main military hospital in Beijing.

Looks like Containers with office-cubicle panels.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 07 Feb 2020 23:09

UlanBatori wrote:Are these basically military tent-city hospitals? I would have expected to see large hangar-type enclosures popping up but I don't see those: instead there is regular construction equipment.

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Huoshenshan Hospital, a makeshift 1,000-bed facility in China's Wuhan that was built in just 10 days, received its first coronavirus patients on Monday. A 1,500-bed facility in Leishenshan is due to open later this week.

This size looks stupid. Lets do some math. Can we measure the building height and length of hospital and check the number of beds? We can assume 2m distance between beds are a must. We can check this number against quoted numbers. We can get a ball park number to see are china lieing the numbers. (Cant do all these in mobile, sorry)

Skanda · Post by **Skanda** » 07 Feb 2020 23:11

Dashboard from John Hopkins tracking Corona Virus

Mainland China
31213 Affected
(618 +Delta) Deaths (only in Hubei), Delta indicates rest of the provinces are in single digits
(867 + Delta) Recovered (only in Hubei) Delta indicates rest of the provinces are in single digits

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 07 Feb 2020 23:13

UlanBatori wrote: What if they find that the CV mutates from a harmless virus into a "virulent" strain whenever the WhatsApp message bell clangs? Like I do?

Evolution is not going to happen so fast. Moreover 2019nCoV nowitself is too fast. We are not abel to handle. Just look at the comparison between MERS and CoV

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 07 Feb 2020 23:18

UlanBatori wrote:Answer to my own pooch:
It is consistent with Beijing's way of dealing with the 2013 SARS outbreak, when a temporary hospital was erected north of the capital in just one week.
Huoshenshan was built near Zhiyin Lake in southwestern Wuhan by some 7,000 carpenters, plumbers, electricians and other construction specialists working around the clock. About 800 pieces of heavy equipment worked simultaneously to get the job done, China's Xinhua news agency reported.
The new hospital is staffed by doctors, nurses and other personnel provided by the Chinese military, who sent 1,400 people to man it. Huoshenshan has 30 intensive care units, double-sided cabinets in which doctors can examine patients without entering isolation wards, robots to deliver food and medicine and take samples from patients, and a video system linked to the main military hospital in Beijing.
Looks like Containers with office-cubicle panels.

A twitter post from a medical doctor from Uganda who is stuck in Wuhan because Uganda like Pakistan refuses to evacuate it's citizens. Do not know ow accurate the post is...that these makeshift hospitals built in 10 days are not hospitals but internment centers where people go in and do not come out....

https://twitter.com/owishemwe/status/12 ... 1370910720