Levant crisis - III

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby nam » 29 Feb 2020 23:12

The fascinating thing about the Turkish attacks are that their airforce is nowhere to be seen. All the response has been in the north. Even Aleppo is just around 50-60KM from turkish border. All claims of drone attacks and what not..

No khan style long range strikes. Begging for Patriots.

For all the show of TFTA, Turks are staying well clear of RuAF!

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 00:19

They are sticking to Bredators. Several Global Hawk type wrecks seen.

Meanwhile Iranians seem to be entering the fray.
Iran Military
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A 40-member suicide convoy of Al-Qaeda terrorists in Saraqib were ambushed by Resistance forces, all were eliminated. Turkish troops came to rescue & they were ambushed too. Erdogan's army lost 30 tanks & armored vehicles. So far unable to recover their dead bodies.

I doubt the 30 tanks bit, but main point is Iranian military is reporting it.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Y. Kanan » 01 Mar 2020 03:10

UlanBatori wrote:Today has seen major reverses in the village of Nayrab, where the Turks have overrun the area (again). I wonder why Gen. Smirnoff allowed that.. this is turning out to be the Stalingrad of the Syrian war (Deir ez Zor was the Leningrad). UBCN prediction is that the Russians and Syrians withdrew from that area and have been advancing elsewhere, allowing the Turks to pour troops and armor nicely into Nayrab - which commands access to the Motorway M4 that connects Aleppo to Idlib city AFAIK. I think a massive air campaign is coming, along with Syrian armor boxing them in for the kill. If Edrogan suffers a major knockout punch in Nayrab with a large Turkish force trapped inside that pocket and getting hammered by RuAF, I think the war will end rapidly, with Turkey throwing its terrorists under the bus.


None of this will happen because Russia knows their forces in theater are no match for Turkey. Not to mention the Israeli air Force is supporting the Turkish offensive with their own strikes
It's a miracle the SAA hasn't collapsed already. The Syrians operate effectively even under heavy duress. Very few organized militaries can keep it all together under merciless attack from all sides.

NATO under US direction has pledged to support the Turks also.

Russia has gone from looking impressive in the early years of the war, to being exposed now as a paper tiger.

Russ

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 04:22

Steele M @SteeleSyAA·17h
Syrian Arab Army secures the high ground in southern #Idlib countryside. Liwa al Quds forces swept and secured the territory and it is under the control of the Syrian Army now #Syria #Syrianarmy


(All social media in Turkey shut down, so they cannot see the encouragement from the battlefield)

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 06:11

Major Turkish offensive, at least in the imagination of :roll: their Pakis on Twitter.
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It Seems Hindu Nationalist are Hinting at Supporting The #Syrianarmy the Terrorist Army Don't Worry The #TurkishArmy Will Smash them No Meeting or "Diplomacy " With The Enemies of #Turkey Will Stop it From Attacking the #Syrianarmy God Willing

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India should try to mediate between the West and Russia, and further try to push Turkey outside of NATO. We need a bigger foreign service. We have far too few professionals. We need state capacity especially for trying moonshot ideas where we can fail early, fail fast, fail cheap

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Avarachan » 01 Mar 2020 06:34

Some interesting comments from Saker's article regarding the current situation:
http://thesaker.is/are-russia-and-turke ... on-course/
"Are Russia and Turkey on a collision course?"
February 27, 2020

FromSerbia on February 28, 2020 · at 10:03 am EST/EDT

For the sake of avoiding profanity, I’ll put it gently: Russia has screwed Turkey big time. That one downed jet in 2015 was repaid by Turkey and then some.

I’ll repeat: Russia has screwed (Erdogan’s) Turkey biiiig time.

Russians were 100% certain that there was no way for Turks to pacify terrorists in Idlib. They made a deal nonetheless, now holding Turkey to this deal while refusing any further negotiations. I love this about Russia’s policy. There is no renegotiating deals. Same as Minsk agreements.

In the meantime, terrorist attacks from Idlib continued. Turks may have honestly thought that they have the upper hand in Idlib. Russia then sold them S400, making Turks think Russia desperately needs them as friends. Oh, what a miscalculation due to delusions of grandiose.

Once the Russians convinced Turks that they are all cosy and buddies and whatever, they then encourages Turks to invade Kurdistan/Rojava. This was the goal all along – to baite Turks into invading Rojava. This was the way for Russiana and Syrians to send massive military reinforcements into northeast while the greatest army in the galaxy (or was it the Universe?) just stood by and watched impotently.

I am amazed by Russian brilliance. They actually made their enemies fight each other.


Now that the Syrians and Russians have establishes a legitimate military presence in NE Syria, there is no going back. The fact that Americans keep stealing Syrian oil is meaningless. Pirates will be pirates. Russians are maneuvering with the long term goal in mind, to kick the Americans out of Syria gradually and without the need to fight. It means nothing to Russia whether American pirates leave the dessert tomorrow or in 5 years. The point is, they will leave.

If it just so happens that pirates need encouragement to leave, that time will come when the rest of Syria is safe from terrorist threats and when S300 or S400 air defense systems are fully operational and covering all of Syria.

And now, for Erdogan. He was played, well, better put, he was screwed. I can only imagine his fury upon understanding that he was used in Rojava. As soon as Russians and Syrians established their presence in NE Syria, massive attack on Idlib started. It’s not like the same terrorist menace left Syrians and Russians alone during 2018 and 2019. No, they patiently defended and bided their time. Once the foothold was establishes in NE Syria, it is now time for Idlib.

In my unprofessional opinion, Afrin and areas north of Manbij will be on the menu after Idlib. So-called Rojava and Al-Tanf will be freed only after all other territories are safe. Or, if for some odd reason, pirates leave without needing encouragement.

But, why is Erdogan so invested into Idlib? Is he a salafist, Muslim Brotherhood kinda follower who cares about his fellow ideologues? Nah, he is a criminal and he would be marching at the head of a gay pride parade in Ankara if it suited his political and criminal intents.

Erogan has a far more practical problem on his hands. How man terrori…er, freedom fighters are there in Idlib? 20,000? 30,000? 50,000? To put it bluntly, they do not stand a chance against the SAA. However, these people will not make a last stand in Idlib. They will not fight to the death. They will run to the only place they can, to Turkey. Turks do not need 50,000 crazed wahabis and their spawn.

Furthermore, who lives in Idlib anyway? Who are all these women and children gettint bombed daily and sometimes hourly by Russians? Who are these millions of refugees? Reading the Syrian Perspective blog, I learned that a lot of those, indeed civilians, are not Syrians. Who knows just how many 100s of 1000s of Uighurs from China, and Turkic peoples from other stans in central Asia moved to Idlib and other parts of Syria, having been subsequently forced to evacuate to Idlib. In addition to Turkic invaders and squatters, there must also be many more tens of 1000s of foreigners living in Idlib.

Erdogan knows that all those people are Turkey-bound. What exactly is the Syrian state supposed to do with those civilians (terrorist spawn) when they liberate Idlib? Say that it’s cool, they’re Syrians now? Nope. Imprisonmemt, deportarion, or bloody retribution. That’s what’s coming.

So, in addition to 50,000 violent lunatics, Turkey would have to take and integrate 100s of 1000s of their spawn and poor migrants from central Asia. Not to mention that those people were promised something for their service in Idlib. Not like they would be happily living in Turkey, content in their squalor.

Erdogan has a hard choice to make. Lose Idlib, gain a bunch of furious refugees, and lose face. A gut punch to his pride. If he was smart, he would accept this humiliation and find a way to surmount it. Russians would help. It is not in their interest to exchange Erdogan for a CIA stooge.

His other choice is confrontation with Syria and Russia. I don’t see NATO starting WW3 over Idlib. They didn’t start WW3 when circumstances were far more favorable, they won’t do it now. They will, however, encourage Erdogan to do something so inconceivable as to start a confrontation with Ruasia. Americans are absolutely prepared to fight Russians until the last Turk. Then put the last one in a zoo.

In all seriousness, NATO will do their best to nudge Turks into this confrontation because they know Turks can’t win. They want to take this opportunity to stage a violent overthrow of Erdogan govment.

If Erdogan can see past illusions and delusions, he will accept humiliation. If he can’t, a spectacular defeat for his army is coming up, and with it, the end of his life.

The irony in all this that I forsee: if indeed Erdogan chooses stupidity over pragmatism, he will die. However, it won’t end with him. I can only imagine how many enemies seek vengeance against him. His family will be targets. Ironically, his family will most likely escape to Russia.


Also:

Auslander on February 28, 2020 · at 2:57 am EST/EDT

The Turks never stopped helping their head chopping buddies. At this time, Turk Army and HTS are commingled and fighting side by side against SAA. The advances that SAA made early this week were negated in one night of heavy Turk arty bombardments and attacks against SAA which forced them out of Saraqib and the surrounding area with substantial losses of men and equipment.

With HTS embedded with Turk army, they have the usual plentiful access to Turk/NATO weapons and use them. At least three, and probably more, Stingers were fired at Russia aircraft and at least one was videoed being fired from inside, actually balcony of the HQ building, of a Turk ‘observation point’.

[This might be the event he's referring to:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1230863856425197569
https://twitter.com/Abdurahmanhrk/statu ... 1993110555
- Avarachan]


None were successful but the very fact that missiles are being fired at Russian Sukhois from inside Turk installations says all.

Russia seems to have a number of red lines which if crossed bring instant retribution against Turk Army and HTS (the ‘good’ terrorists). Also, it seems that every two or three days another ‘agreement’ is reached with the Turks to basically knock it off and behave, which the Turks never adhere to. This last violation of the ‘red line’ resulted in the obliteration of HTS HQ in Idlib City, which was full to the rafters with Turk officers and operatives waging war in cooperation with HTS and everybody and their grandmother knew who was there. All bit the big one and are now worm food, apparently in excess of 100 Turk senior officers among them.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 07:36

^^This is true. About a year ago -was it? When Deir ez Zor was liberated, the word was that that was it for Assad. Forget about Idlib, forget northeast/Rojava. Forget Al Tanf Barak Obama Oil Protection Base and Hilary Clinton Sex Slave Highway. Be happy that he still has Damascus and Latakia and the Russians keep the savages away from his kinfolk in Latakia. The Turkish move against the Kurds, that drove the Americans out in a hurry, is what collapsed the whole deck of cards. Now Turkey sings sad songs and shows videos of TFTA Turkish Army Parachuting with NATO insignia, but NATO is busy looking somewhere else. Turkey's position at UN is untenable: they are blatant aggressors. Will S400 work against RuAF planes? If I were Smirnoff's Oracle Operator, I would program the gizmo for the crowded, split-second aerial battlespace of tomorrow - if a command comes to target a RuAF plane it would refuse, and if forced (meaning system is taken over by enemy) the first missile will blow up inside the C^3 room. The price of the S400 is that the Americans told Erdogan to *&^&*( when he asked for Patriots: they brought them into Incirlik and are probably using them strictly for point defense. Or just leaving them on planes to show Erdogan the finger.

Now it's all up to how he carries out his "February 29 or else" threat. His publicity machine is in full swing already. Brought in a video of a Libya-based UAE Pantsir system being blown up by a drone - and claimed that it was a Turkish drone blasting a SAA Pantsir. Russians busted that. Next is that 26 Syrian officers including "several Generals" have been killed in an Turkish Drone strike. And 30+ tanks...
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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Y. Kanan » 01 Mar 2020 07:49

It’s looking like the Russian S400/SU-35/etc hand is being effectively called, at this point. Who knows how strong this hand actually is; it would sure be nice to know. Putin could really be backed into a corner here.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 07:52

Kanan: Do you have any evidence/homework behind your posts? Just curious.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 08:07

lijah J. Magnier
@ejmalrai ·3h No Turkish attacks on the Syrian army registered. All information related to this news is inaccurate. The war is taking place on twitter only.

Syrian_MC @Syrian_MC ·4h 14 cruise missiles crossed the mid section over the Syrian coast line and landed in #Idlib

(may be imaginary too: who exactly sees 14 cruise missiles cross the Syrian coast?)
Re. Tulsi Gabbard:
Sarah Abdallah @sahouraxo·10h
Tulsi: “Russia is sending warships to #Syria right now to protect it from Turkey’s invasion of Northern Syria, which is being carried out in alliance with Al-Qaeda. Turkey’s #Erdogan is not our friend. He’s one of the most dangerous dictators in the world”

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 08:50

Rojava Network
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Iranian embassy in Syria: "The Iranian government informed Erdogan that it would respond with full force to the Turkish points if it continued to bomb our forces and the Syrian army."

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Parasu » 01 Mar 2020 13:39

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mi ... emlin.html

Turkey attacked Hezbollah and Iranian militias in Syria apart from the Syrian Army. Dozens of casualties.
Putin has agreed to discuss the issue with Turkey. Looks like, Russia is keen to reap another "I want to sell you something". This is what Moscow did after Turkey shot down a Russian plane and killed a Russian pilot in 2015.

Bottomline. Russia is no Soviet Union. Turkey could match Russians arms in Syria even without NATO. Putin knows this.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Gyan » 01 Mar 2020 14:29

Russia can be undoubtedly pressed very hard by Israel & Turkey. But we must not forget the depth of Russian Arms industry. It is not India vs Pak, both sides with limited imported weapons.

What will Errorprone do, if Russia starts arming Kurds for Rebellion inside Turkey? If Russian fighters start flying with 200km range AAMs? If 1000 cruise missiles & Iskanders are fired at Turkish forces?

If Errorprone commits suicide, will Turkish population continue to support him? Will EU & NATO support him?

Russia is a self sufficient Empire while Turkey is just that, bird on dinner table at Christmas.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby vishvak » 01 Mar 2020 14:37

Bottomline. Russia is no Soviet Union. Turkey could match Russians arms in Syria even without NATO. Putin knows this.

We should offer to be observer status and offer to help by temporarily taking care of S-400 missiles systems until Turks figure out next step.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby kit » 01 Mar 2020 16:14

I think Russia will eat Turkey for lunch and breakfast, yes the above posts are true in the sense Russia lacks the depth USSR had in its range of weaponry., but it belies the fact Russians make dangerous enemies, they will fight and fight hard,If the WW2 was any indicator they have shown they can take punishing losses that can cripple any other country and fight back ..and win. Its their mindset i admire.Weapons alone will not win wars ( If so Saudi would have ruled the roost ! ) . Turkey is gonna be just that. Just watch.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby kit » 01 Mar 2020 16:21

UlanBatori wrote:Major Turkish offensive, at least in the imagination of :roll: their Pakis on Twitter.
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It Seems Hindu Nationalist are Hinting at Supporting The #Syrianarmy the Terrorist Army Don't Worry The #TurkishArmy Will Smash them No Meeting or "Diplomacy " With The Enemies of #Turkey Will Stop it From Attacking the #Syrianarmy God Willing

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India should try to mediate between the West and Russia, and further try to push Turkey outside of NATO. We need a bigger foreign service. We have far too few professionals. We need state capacity especially for trying moonshot ideas where we can fail early, fail fast, fail cheap


I think india needs to step up for this and not being a mute spectator. India has close relations with everyone except Turkey , but this should not hold it back. Its gonna be a tricky though. The middle east is a minefield where many a country has had lost. Its not a mess, its a quagmire.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby ldev » 01 Mar 2020 17:09

A CNN article from way back in February 2017 which details the effects on the war fighting capability of the Turkish armed forces as somewhere about a total of 130,000 Government employees including large sections of the armed forces, specially senior officers and pilots were either imprisoned or fired after the 2016 coup attempt.

I think Erdogan knows this and so the effort at getting NATO involved and the effort to blackmail Europe to pressure Russia by the orchestrated refugee push into Greece and Bulgaria.
Turkish purges leave armed forces weak, dismissed officer warns

That bulwark, the exiled officer said, is being severely tested as Erdogan's purges weaken the country's military capacity. Hundreds of pilots have been sacked, he said.
"The capacity for the Turkish air force has collapsed," he told Shubert. "That's a nightmare for a country which relies on strong air force to defend a large airspace, on top of a geography where you never know how your neighbors could behave from day to day."
"To be very blunt over here, (the) Turkish military ... have lost their war-fighting capability to a great extent
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Postby Gyan » 01 Mar 2020 17:42

Syria is on Southern Border of Turkeysatan. Lest we forget Russia is on Northern sea Border of Turkey. Hmmm..... Turkey sandwich anyone? Turkey's good friend is Qatar which itself is dependent on Iran, Russia combine for protection & push back against Saudis.

And if Turkey is still able to defeat SAA, then Kurds will come back. Turkey is in lose, lose, lose multi layer sandwich, position
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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 18:03

Erdogan Attacks Russian Empire! Takes many prisoners!

Russian Sputnik news agency: Turkish bureau editor-in-chief detained, police in office
1 Mar, 2020 11:57 / Updated 44 seconds ago

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby sooraj » 01 Mar 2020 18:40

#Greece prevented close to 10.000 illegal entries of migrants at its #Evros border w #Turkey over 24h, by 6AM today. 73 arrests. Most from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia: gov sources

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 19:12

So Turkey, in the name of Syria crisis, is funneling immigrants from all over the Islamic World into Oirope, starting with Greece. And Oirope is pondering how to send more $$$ and weapons to help Turkey keep this up. Nice!
Karl Marx:
The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which to hang them

Here, the Oiropean Socialists GIVE the islamists the money to buy the rope, and then buy the rope back from the Islamists to hang themselves.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2020 19:49

TomC who is a serious researcher notes the Turks have literally decimated the Syrian irregulars and the Iranians who are the real force behind the throne. Tens of armored vehicles lost, hundreds of soldiers KIA/casualties in drone and arty strikes. Roketsan has made impressive advances in drone carried PGMs and they are being used heavily.
The pilot loss due to the 2017 putsch has been made up by press-ganging pilots who had gone to the civilian sector.

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Postby habal » 01 Mar 2020 20:02

there is an uncanny similarity between ispr twitter war on feb27 and turkish twitter war on idlib. Same number of trolls dishing out misinformation on twitter.

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Postby devaraya » 01 Mar 2020 20:57

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turke ... ter-152574

The Turkish military launched Operation Spring Shield in Idlib in response to the Assad regime attack on Feb. 27, Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said on March 1.

“Operation Spring Shield, which was launched following the heinous attack [on Turkish troops] on Feb. 27 is successfully being carried out,” Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said as he is commanding the operation from Turkey's southern Hatay province, bordering Syria.

On the details of the operation, Akar said a drone, eight helicopters, 103 tanks, 19 armored personnel carriers, 72 cannons/howitzers, three air-defense systems, 15 anti-tanks/mortars, 56 armored vehicles, nine ammunition depots and 1,212 regime soldiers and elements have been neutralized so far.

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 22:06

There are multiple reports, and an Iranian "Final Warning" all indicating that Iranians have been hit. Also, Syrian loyalists on Twitter have switched to screaming about UN Amby screaming that Idlib is Syrian Territory. All of which indicates a major Turkish invasion, like Ayub Khan into Chaamb-Jaurian Sector, or towards Khemkaran.
However, "TomC" is IIRC a goat-bred Paki. Posted utter disinfo during the Balakot/F16 jollies.

Russians are not likely to sell Syria down the drain at this point, IMO. Wonder how the Turks plan to return (Light Brigade Problem)
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Postby kit » 01 Mar 2020 22:09

Karan M wrote:TomC who is a serious researcher notes the Turks have literally decimated the Syrian irregulars and the Iranians who are the real force behind the throne. Tens of armored vehicles lost, hundreds of soldiers KIA/casualties in drone and arty strikes. Roketsan has made impressive advances in drone carried PGMs and they are being used heavily.
The pilot loss due to the 2017 putsch has been made up by press-ganging pilots who had gone to the civilian sector.


a good point to note here is that these PGMs would have been the first strike against the air defense systems

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 22:37

Peto Lucem:@PetoLucem·5m NEW MAP: Turkish proxies captured some more ground in #Hama's #Ghab plain. #SAA launched an attack on #Saraqib and liberated the villages of Jawbas, San, Dadikh and Kafr Battikh. #Idlib #Syria

Peto Lucem Retweeted Brasco_Aad @Brasco_Aad
·1h-breaking- Syrian Air Defense destroyed another 4 Turkish drones over Idlib. 6 Turkish drones have been destroyed thus far today.

Clearly Turkey is using combat drones in a big way, that means probable heavy SAA/IRGC losses from missile strikes

Salaar Ali @Elly_Ammar ·42m #Syria #Idlib #Turkey
Though situation remains fluid as operations continue, reported situation from ground so far is as shown on map. SAA has regained control of almost 50 % of total area lost recently around #Saraqeb

Means there is heavy combat and Turks are also moving.

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 22:42

Peto Lucem
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#SAA is regaining control of the villages of Dadekh and Kafr Batikh near after violent battles with the Turkish army and its militia.
Peto Lucem RetweetedNadieHarbieh@HarbiehNadie·1h
#Syria #SAA & liberated 2 villages south West of #Saraqib
Peto Lucem @Eyad_Alhosain
Seems like #SAA is about to encircle #Saraqib again. #Idlib

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 22:44

Clear that there were heavy losses:
LaTorriental@OpenmindAvenue
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Replying to
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a stupid idea to expose men and material again unless SAA AD can make sure the forces are not again devastated by TSK drones.

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 22:49

Israeli media:
Turkish Military Strikes Airport in Syria's Aleppo

Turkey destroys scores of Syrian army targets, says defense minister
Reuters
Mar 01, 2020 4:40 PM
Turkey said on Sunday it had destroyed air defense systems, more than 100 tanks and downed two planes belonging to the Syrian army as part of an operation it launched after an air strike killed dozens of its soldiers last week.
Turkey's state-owned Anadolu agency also reported on Sunday that the Turkish military targeted and rendered unusable Syria's Nayrab military airport in the northern province of Aleppo.
"We have neither the intention nor the notion to face Russia. Our only intention there is for the (Syrian) regime to end the massacre and thereby prevent, stop radicalisation and migration," Turkish Defence Minister Hulusi Akar said.

He dubbed the operation, Turkey's fourth in Syria, "Spring Shield". Akar said Turkey had destroyed a drone, eight helicopters, 103 tanks, 72 howitzers, rocket launchers, and six air defence systems among other military equipment since Feb. 27.

Akar added that 2,212 {000,000} members of the Syrian forces had been "neutralised", a term used to designate killed, wounded or captured. The Syrian Observatory, a Britain-based war monitor {aka White Helmet Theatrical Productions}, said 74 Syrian government troops and pro-Damascus fighters had been killed since Feb. 27.

Turkey's Defence Ministry said one of its drones had been downed on Sunday and that it had shot down two Syrian planes. Syrian state news agency SANA said the pilots escaped in parachutes and were fine.
So it is true that 2 Su-24s shaheed?

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby habal » 01 Mar 2020 23:01

I doubt turkey has destroyed 1/3rd of what they have claimed. It is a twitter war with turks spreading all kinds of fud just like ghafoora pakis twitter troll squads did during feb 27. Indian plane crashes of years ago was shared on twitter as latest crash. Turks are primarily H&D society just like paks and can not suffer loss of face at home.

Turkish drones are being shot down all over the place in Libya by LNA haftar army. How could syrians with their S300s (as per turkish troll army on twitter S300 have also been destroyed), pantsirs, pechoras, buks etc face worse ?? Russia asked Syrians to back off for a day yesterday for some reason best known to them. Maybe they do not want to provide turks an opportunity to play victim with 33 forces killed.

Today with Syrian AD switched on turks have retreated all the way back to where they started from day-before-yesterday.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2020 23:11

Gen. Smirnoff's game seems to be to pretend to be asleep and let the Turkish fauj come charging in like the Light Brigade.
Come into my parlour
Said the spider to the fly..

The "retreat" today may have been largely in debriefed state.

A lot of lessons for the Indian rah-rah crowd ranting for Eph-35s etc. Turkey has hajaar Eph-solah, but when push comes to shove only sdre propeller/fan-driven Bredators/Global Hawks are any use. And u need these in the hundreds, not 4 Net-centric hangar queens.

Turkish Army is NATO-trained to be NATO cannon-fodder. Net-centric etc etc. But we are about to see how all that fares when there is no aerial superiority, and one is up against small groups of desperate men with ATGMs, plus a bunch of precision air-to-ground mijjiles on the other side.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Y. Kanan » 01 Mar 2020 23:16

Interesting article about how Turkey has become a drone superpower behind only the US and Isreal. I've been saying this for many, many years but it's not too late for India to do the same. This capability would have been extremely useful to us over the last 30+ years.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/n ... rone-power

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby habal » 01 Mar 2020 23:25

turks lost 7 of their best anka drones in past 2 days.
4 were shot down in Syria today
3 were shot down in Libya.
that means only 6 now remain operational
total # in service is 13.

Yusha Yuseef
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Turkish backed forces ( HTS ) were searching for the body of the pilot inside the Downed Turkish Drone

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Y.N.M.S
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besieged Turkish military outlets contain more than 800 Turkish soldiers and officers ... will be arrested and presented to the media.
They will negotiate surrendering them live in exchange for a full Turkish withdrawal from Idlib.


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IRGC said 986 turkish soldiers inside the obs posts....should be scaring for the turkish regime that Iran knows exactly how many are in there...it should tell Turkey how people know about their details and activities.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Y. Kanan » 01 Mar 2020 23:49

habal wrote:I doubt turkey has destroyed 1/3rd of what they have claimed. It is a twitter war with turks spreading all kinds of fud just like ghafoora pakis twitter troll squads did during feb 27. Indian plane crashes of years ago was shared on twitter as latest crash. Turks are primarily H&D society just like paks and can not suffer loss of face at home.

Turkish drones are being shot down all over the place in Libya by LNA haftar army. How could syrians with their S300s (as per turkish troll army on twitter S300 have also been destroyed), pantsirs, pechoras, buks etc face worse ?? Russia asked Syrians to back off for a day yesterday for some reason best known to them. Maybe they do not want to provide turks an opportunity to play victim with 33 forces killed.

Today with Syrian AD switched on turks have retreated all the way back to where they started from day-before-yesterday.


Nonsense. Turkish drones strikes are destroying lots of Syrian tanks, AFV's, vehicles, artillery, MLRS, even some AD systems like Pantsir. Lots of credible video has been released.

Also, Turkish F-16's shot down two Syrian SU-24's today.

I'm sorry to say the bigger story here, what's actually happening in Syria, is yet another humiliating defeat for Russian arms at the hands of superior western tech. This technical inferiority, plus the logistics of being over extended with a tiny, vulnerable military detachment in Syria, has led the Russians to conclude (correctly) that they would be wiped out in Syria if it actually came to war with Turkey, especially considering the likelihood of Isreali Air Force assisting the Turks with strikes of their own, or even an invasion of Isreali armor across the Golan Heights.

So Erdogan is going to let Putin and the Russians save face by not attacking their personnel directly. They will use this opportunity to quit while they're ahead and accept a partitioned Syria.

The fact is, Russia cannot "win" this fight without deploying nukes.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby habal » 01 Mar 2020 23:56

Turkish drones strikes are destroying lots of Syrian tanks, AFV's, vehicles, artillery, MLRS, even some AD systems like Pantsir. Lots of credible video has been released.


most destruction is happening on twitter.
never take anything said during war at face value.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2020 00:33

Y. Kanan wrote: Nonsense. {snip expert opinion}

kananji, with all doo respect... I don't know if you realize that you come across as a blithering {einsteinullah} when you post such a word, with absolutely not a single useful point of evidence or iota of clear thinking. I asked gently the last time you did that, whether you had any evidence, and you disappeared Paki-like (I mean Paks on Internet fora when challenged).
Just a thought...it is of course a free forum and your posts are most entertaining. Namaskaram.

{Turkish F-16s..} No doubt an F-16 could shoot down a bomb-laden old Su-24, but do you have evidence that F-16s actually entered Syrian airspace - or did they fire from over Turkish airspace using BVR missiles like the Israelis have been doing? Source please?
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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Lisa » 02 Mar 2020 00:33

habal wrote:Yusha Yuseef
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Turkish backed forces ( HTS ) were searching for the body of the pilot inside the Downed Turkish Drone



Wow, Turkish drones now come with pilots!

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2020 00:36

^^ Did you see the Twiter-posted video on that? They were actually celebrating shooting down the drone. Not realizing that it was one of "theirs".

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2020 00:44

This claim by Kananji is also seen on Russian media, apparently:
According to Russian state media, Turkish F-16 fighter jets two times violated Syrian airspace over Idlib on March 1. This version says that Turkish fighter jets were responsible for downing of 2 Syrian Su-24 earlier today. Syrian pilots safely ejected from the warplanes and landed in the government-held area.

Meanwhile...
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Tweet idézése Manu Gómez @GDarkconrad· 2 h Turkish UAV squawking 7600 Lost Communications over #Syria

So Turkey has lost about a dozen drones (today), Syria lost 2 Su-24s (yesterday). So far RuAF not engaging TuAF directly (since the F-16 downed a Russian Su-24). Now that Syria has declared that it will target all intruding aircraft, I wonder if the Syrian Air defense which is coordinated by Russians, will allow any more TuAF manned aircraft intrusions w/o engaging directly.

With every passing day I think the RuAF strength is increasing in Turkey, along with the missile ships breaking out through the Bosporus. So far, note that no Tu-160 cruise missile raids have been reported in Idlib. Russians still trying not to engage Turks directly but may not be able to avoid that if there are more aerial intrusions.


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