Levant crisis - III

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Y. Kanan » 02 Mar 2020 03:42

UlanBatori wrote:
Y. Kanan wrote: Nonsense. {snip expert opinion}

kananji, with all doo respect... I don't know if you realize that you come across as a blithering {einsteinullah} when you post such a word, with absolutely not a single useful point of evidence or iota of clear thinking. I asked gently the last time you did that, whether you had any evidence, and you disappeared Paki-like (I mean Paks on Internet fora when challenged).
Just a thought...it is of course a free forum and your posts are most entertaining. Namaskaram.

{Turkish F-16s..} No doubt an F-16 could shoot down a bomb-laden old Su-24, but do you have evidence that F-16s actually entered Syrian airspace - or did they fire from over Turkish airspace using BVR missiles like the Israelis have been doing? Source please?


Yes, the Turkish F-16’s probably did shoot down those 2 SU-24’s w/AIM-120’s from their side of the border. Who cares?

Before you get defensive and your own critical thinking abilities shut down, let me point out this latest combat hasn’t shed any light on the effectiveness of the PAF vs our own forces. Anyone can shoot down a bomber with no defensive weapons and no air cover. That’s not the point.

This is more revealing about the superiority of targeting systems, sensors, accuracy of weapons delivery, etc. Russian systems continue to lag badly in this regard. As for evidence, it’s everywhere. No conspiracy here; Turkey is picking off Syrian troops and equipment at will and Russia is afraid to try and stop them. If Turkey did not enjoy local military superiority do you think they would humiliate Putin in front of the whole world? Don’t be so lazy - look at the various news sources and come to your own conclusion. Am I making all this up? You decide. Besides, any “evidence” that I present will be discredited by you immediately. I support the Russians 100% in Syria, but I state reality as it is, not as I wish it to be.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby kit » 02 Mar 2020 04:55

Why don't we just stop speculating on what Turkey is doing , if there are attacks there will be independent verification via uncle's media. And RT saying the other way around !

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 02 Mar 2020 06:35

Y. Kanan wrote: No conspiracy here; Turkey is picking off Syrian troops and equipment at will and Russia is afraid to try and stop them. If Turkey did not enjoy local military superiority do you think they would humiliate Putin in front of the whole world?


Turkey is targeting Syrian targets because Russia is allowing them to do it .. for now. The overall rules are already agreed between Putin and Erdogan like prevention of clashes between the Russian and Turkish militaries, Russian air superiority over Syria, non fly zone for turkish jets in syria, coordination of movement of Turkish army in Syria with Russian etc. Russians were forced to bomb the Turkish soldiers because they crossed agreed red lines and Russia wanted to send a clear message. After the air strike, Erdogan had to be calmed down and given a token prize to show to his people who were mocking him for his failed syrian policy. So Russia allowed turkish drone strikes for few days. This is just temporary and Syrians will resume their forward march towards Idlib again. And most of the turkish twitter which is reporting about drone strikes destroying syrian xyz targets are exaggerations and some times down right fakes. Those drones would not last a day if Russia decides to put a stop to them.

But i agree with one thing though. If this turns into a full pledged conventional war, the Russians will be forced to divert more resources to Syria and may even to deploy tactical nukes to deter a full scale turkish invasion. But Turks simply dont have the balls to confront Russia in such a manner IMVHO.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2020 06:40

Gen. Smirnoff starts flying again
The Russian Air Force is back to launching heavy strikes over the Idlib Governorate, as their warplanes were reported to have carried out several attacks against the Turkish-backed militants and jihadists in the Jabal Al-Zawiya and Jisr Al-Shughour areas.
According to a military source in northwestern Syria, the Russian Air Force has stepped up their strikes over the Idlib Governorate these past 12 hours, hitting several sites belonging to the Turkish-backed National Liberation Front (NLF) and their jihadist allies.
These strikes by the Russian Air Force came in response to several attacks launched by the Turkish military on the Syrian Arab Army’s (SAA) positions in the Jabal Al-Zawiya region and Saraqib area.
The Turkish military’s attacks have paved the way for their allied militants and jihadists to advance in Jabal Al-Zawiya, resulting in the capture of some towns, including Kafr ‘Awaid near the Shashabo Mountain.
The Russian Air Force will likely intensify their strikes over northwestern Syria for the next few days, as they await the arrival of more military equipment via their navy.

Other headlines at Al Masdar:
Syria
Russia responds to Erdogan’s comments about getting out of Turkey’s way in Syria
Syria
Syrian air defenses repel suspected Turkish drone attack on Hama Airbase
Syria
Turkish forces strike military airport in southern Aleppo
Syria
Syrian Army, Hezbollah crack militant lines to seize several towns in east Idlib
Syria
US aircraft carrier group enters Mediterranean amid heightened tensions between Russia, Turkey in Syria
Syria
Syrian Army, Hezbollah score new advance in Saraqib after resuming operation

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2020 06:50

Peto Lucem Retweeted. Al-Masdar News @TheArabSource· 7h Syrian Army, #Hezbollah crack militant lines to seize several towns in east #Idlib https://is.gd/FKwBsc #Saraqib #Syria

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Parasu » 02 Mar 2020 10:47

Second world war took place 75 years ago.
Please don't spread "Russia is awesome" because it won something 75 years ago.
Russians are allowing their allies to get hammered by Erdogan.
Same as the US. Its a clear betrayal.
But the lesson is for us..
1. Brinkmanship pays.
2. Jihadism is less of a threat for world powers than geopolitics. So Erdogan, like the Bakis, will keep reaping their rewards.
3. Invest in technology and indigenisation

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Parasu » 02 Mar 2020 10:49

Also, No.
Russia is not confident of handling Turkey. That speaks more about Russian arms than all their salesmen.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby vishvak » 02 Mar 2020 11:00

1. Brinkmanship pays.
2. Jihadism is less of a threat for world powers than geopolitics. So Erdogan, like the Bakis, will keep reaping their rewards.

Are those euphemism for rioting and bussing voters for strategic election wins. Just a thought.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 02 Mar 2020 11:56

Parasu wrote: Russia is not confident of handling Turkey. That speaks more about Russian arms than all their salesmen.


Not a Russian fan here but what does this have to do with Russian arms ? US is not confident of handling neither Iran nor North Korea nor Taliban. So what that speaks about US arms ?

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby habal » 02 Mar 2020 12:34

Russia & Iran wanted to keep roads open that lead to TOP (turkish observation posts), but SAA and allies were not completely obliging so the drones were given a free day or two to carry out attacks and clear route towards OPs. Now these OPs are full of turkish troops, Iran has threatened to arrest entire 958 troops and hold them as PoWs.

During war every party has in its interest to lie or conceal the truth because of loss of face in connected world or opportunity to brag small victories to give a boost to forces.

https://southfront.org/syrian-forces-re ... from-town/
SYRIAN FORCES RETOOK SARAQIB AFTER MIGHTY TURKISH ARMY FLED FROM TOWN: REPORTS

Saraqib was the biggest and the most important gain of the Turkish-led advance in Greater Idlib. If Turkish forces are not able to keep control over it, the declaration of the Turkish leadership about a devastating blow to the ‘Assad regime’ and a swift advance towards southwestern Aleppo and northern Hama are just empty words.


https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article ... dlib-sana/
Syrian military imposes no-fly-zone over Idlib: SANA

The Syrian army announced on Sunday imposing a no-fly-zone over the country’s battlefield Idlib Province, saying any hostile aircraft will be targeted, according to the state news agency SANA.

The airspace over northwestern Syria, particularly Idlib, is closed to any flight or drones and any aircraft violating the airspace will be dealt with as a hostile target and will be shot down, said the statement.



Yusha Yuseef
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Breaking , Reports from militants media that A Turkish convoy in Sarmin South #Idlib being bombed by Russian jets

https://twitter.com/i/status/1234276599916367872

Yusha Yuseef
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6h
Replying to
@MIG29_
Video shared via militants media says : Turkish helicopters enter Idlib countryside to transport the wounded or dead from the Turkish army .. Official sources have not announced anything until now
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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 02 Mar 2020 12:53

Turks like Pakis are cowards only interested in H&D. They get rolled over and humiliated by Russian air force. But they attribute their troop losses incorrectly to Syria and not Russia since they dont want to face Russia directly. Since Russia did not want to lose Turkey to the West, it agreed backdoor to abandon the Syrians for a bit. Meanwhile twitter turks gloat their drones are so potent that Russia couldn't do anything and is afraid of them.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby habal » 02 Mar 2020 13:04

yes, all these countries are just not able to play with the big boys. It is just Iran in mideast that can stand up to a superpower. And that is why they are considered such a threat by all around them. Turks are quintessential pakis.

SYRIAN ARMY SHELLS TURKISH POST IN SOUTHERN IDLIB. CASUALTIES REPORTED

Idlib’s General Media Center said the army’s heavy artillery pounded the post repeatedly. In the shelling, several Turkish service members were injured.

Pro-opposition activists claimed that several Turkish military helicopters flew into Idlib to evacuate the injured service members. However, this has not been confirmed, so far.

Qmenas’ post was one of several positions established by the Turkish military around Idlib city last month, apparently without coordination with Russia. Howitzers and rocket launchers are reportedly deployed inside the post.


Hundreds Of Coronavirus Outbreak Cases Unreported in Turkey

The number of unreported cases of an outbreak of Coronavirus in Turkey is in the hundreds official said on condition of aninnomity on Sunday. This is at a time when the government is struggling to increase spending to help boost the Turkish Lira and the fragile Turkish economy.


Greece Wants a 10 kilometers Buffer Zone Inside Turkey

Turkey has essentially launched an asymmetrical war on Greece, after its decision to weaponise the migration crisis and open the floodgates to tens of thousands of refugees and migrants.

According to Greek authorities more than 10,000 refugees and migrants are at the country’s borders.


if Turkey can demand a 10 km “safe zone” in Syria, why can’t Greece demand a 10 km “safe zone” in Turkey? :wink:

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2020 21:04

Since the Turks hit Iranian forces, I hope Iran does just that: at least take all the Turks as POWs, or kill those that resist. At least those won't run towards Greece.
Russians have brought in serious aerial recon assets.
Sukhoi Su-57 Felon
@I30mki· 8h The #Russian Federation sent its “most advanced” reconnaissance aircraft to Idlib. There are currently two Tu-214R aircraft in the Russian airborne forces. #Syria

Suggests massive fighter-cover and bombing.
IMO Erdogan, faced with loss of entire Expeditionary Fauj, will order F-16s to go in, which will open the way for Russian bombing inside Turkey.

I also waiting to hear of Rojava counter-attacks to start in the northeast. Plus, a swift Greek buildup, forcing NATO to recognize that Turkey is the Aggressor. The Greeks cannot sit on their thumbs: what is trying to get across the borders by land and sea are 90% Pakis/Uighur/Chechen "Al Qaida" terrorists. With a few kids sprinked in between to get the :(( :(( from MSM and Scandinavian Pakis.
Saraquib changes hands again? (junction of M4/M5 and gateway to Aleppo and Idlib)
Ahmad Al-Issa@ahmadalissa·10h#Syria: The #SyrianArmy has just liberated the city of #Saraqib in #Idlib Province inflicting very heavy casualties on the terrorists and their #Turkish allies.


Night war video. "Better" than any movie

george@george96433907 Replying to @PetoLucem and @southfronteng
kfarnebel re taken by turkey
5:59 AM · Mar 2, 2020·Twitter Web App

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2020 21:24

And TuAF is participating
Turkish aircraft continue strikes against Syrian Army troops across Idlib, Aleppo. By News Desk -2020-03-020


I wonder how all their TFTA NATO bombs avoid the kitten shelters that the RuAF and Brutal Regime Bombing always target.
And..
The arrival of the Syrian Army reinforcements to the southeastern region of Idlib comes shortly after the Russian military shipped a large amount of armored and technical vehicles to Syria to help the government forces in their battle in the northwestern part of the country.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby mahadevbhu » 02 Mar 2020 21:52

What a mess the muddle east is. Also it was a region governed by the British. In India the British found men and educated them, governed them - and taught them to govern themselves. India was governable also - unlike the vast desert expanses of the muddle east. Thus there's a perennial power vaccuum in the muddle east. Kind of gives me an idea of how India *used* to be in the times of the Raja - Maharaja's and all - a huge expanse of warring kingdoms.
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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Avarachan » 02 Mar 2020 22:20

The article to read regarding the current situation is this one by Elijah Magnier. It's excellent.

https://ejmagnier.com/2020/03/01/erdogan-idlib-is-mine/

A significant development took place in Syria on Friday. A Russian attack on a Turkish convoy in Idlib in north-west Syria killed 36 Turkish soldiers and officers. In retaliation, Turkey launched an unprecedented armed drone attack that lasted several hours and resulted in the killing and wounding of over 150 Syrian officers and soldiers and their allies of Hezbollah and the Fatimiy’oun. The Turkish drones destroyed dozens of tanks and rocket launchers deployed by the Syrian Army along the front line. Russia ceased air support for Syria and its allies demanded from Russia an explanation for the lack of coordination of its unilateral stoppage of air support, allowing the Turkish drones to kill so many Syrian Army and allied forces. What happened, why, and what will be the consequences? ....

According to the sources, Russia was surprised by the number of Turkish soldiers killed and declared a unilateral ceasefire to calm down the front and de-escalate. Moscow ordered its military operational room in Syria to stop the military push and halt the attack on rural Idlib. Engaging in a war against Turkey is not part of President Putin’s plans in Syria. Russia thought it the right time to quieten the front and allow Erdogan to lick his wounds ....

Damascus and its allies consider that Russia made a mistake in not preventing the Turkish drones from attacking Syrian-controlled territory in Idlib. Moreover, Russia made another grave mistake in not warning its allies that the political leadership in Moscow had declared a one-sided ceasefire, exposing partners in the battlefield and denying them air cover.

This is not the first time Russia has stopped a battle in the middle of its course in Syria. It happened before at al-Ghouta, east Aleppo, el-Eiss, al-Badiya and Deir-ezzour. It was Russia who asked the Syrian Army and its allies to prepare for the M5 and M4 battle. Militarily speaking, such an attack cannot be halted unless a ceasefire is agreed to on all fronts by all parties. The unilateral ceasefire was a severe mistake because Russia neither anticipated the Turkish reaction nor did it allow the Syrian Army and its allies to equip themselves with air defence systems. Moreover, while Turkey was bombing the Syrian Army and its allies for several hours, it took many hours for Russian commanders to convince Moscow to intervene and ask Turkey to stop the bombing.

The military command of Syria and its allies believe that Turkey could now feel encouraged to repeat such an attack by Russian hesitation to stand against it. Thus Syria, Iran and allies have decided to secure air coverage for their forces spread over Idlib and to make sure they have independent protection even if Russia were to promise – according to the source – to lead a future attack and recover total air control.

It is understandable that Russia is not in Syria to trigger a war against NATO member Turkey. However, NATO is not in a position to support Turkey because Turkey is occupying Syrian soil. Nevertheless, the war in Syria has shown how little the rule of law is respected by the West.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 02 Mar 2020 22:29

mahadevbhu wrote:What a mess the muddle east is. Also it was a region governed by the British. In India the British found men and educated them, governed them - and taught them to govern themselves. India was governable also - unlike the vast desert expanses of the muddle east. Thus there's a perennial power vaccuum in the muddle east. Kind of gives me an idea of how India *used* to be in the times of the Raja - Maharaja's and all - a huge expanse of warring kingdoms.


Yeah right. Before maibaap British we were uneducated and did not know how to govern ourselves and before British, its was all warring kingdoms and we never built Empires :roll:

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Theeran » 02 Mar 2020 22:52

mahadevbhu wrote:What a mess the muddle east is. Also it was a region governed by the British. In India the British found men and educated them, governed them - and taught them to govern themselves. India was governable also - unlike the vast desert expanses of the muddle east. Thus there's a perennial power vaccuum in the muddle east. Kind of gives me an idea of how India *used* to be in the times of the Raja - Maharaja's and all - a huge expanse of warring kingdoms.


Wondering if this is just a troll acoount.

in case you are not Do read up on our history. The Chola and Pandyan dynasty for one.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2020 23:07

I read that article. Seemed to be a well-disguised Israeli disinformation piece. They are hand-in-glove with Turkey and KSA and USA to rob and rape Syria remember.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby hnair » 02 Mar 2020 23:31

mahadevbhu has been prescribed some R&R for his inflammatory condition. Others, please don’t respond, use report for weird posts !

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 02 Mar 2020 23:34

Podcast with a Turkish IR professor on Turkey-Russia relations after Ottoman empire

http://www.ottomanhistorypodcast.com/20 ... tions.html

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Mar 2020 00:04

AngelaBibi :(( about Edogandoo stunt

Already, Greek authorities have struggled to hold back the human wave that has crashed upon its border with Turkey. “This is an invasion,” Development Minister Adonis Georgiadis told Skai TV on Monday, as police fired tear gas at migrants attempting to storm the border fence, and as the Greek coast guard tried to stop dinghies full of refugees from landing on the country’s southern islands.
Though criticized for her “open door” migration policy during the 2015 migrant crisis, Merkel has since attempted to reduce the influx. However, despite promising Erdogan additional aid in January in exchange for holding more than 3 million migrants on Turkish soil, Merkel refused to support her Turkish counterpart’s military operation in northern Syria, prompting Erdogan to follow through last weekend on his long-standing threat to release the migrants into Europe.


I don't understand why these Oiropean einsteins don't ask the simple pooch:

Syria has a civil war-- why are Pakis, Uighurs and Chechens so prevalent among the "refugees"?
They should send those back to their home countries.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Mar 2020 00:12

Peto Lucem Twitter:
Peto Lucem @PetoLucem ·1h #Russia/n military police deploys to #Saraqib. #Idlib #Syria v @RT_russian
No kidding. They are there to stay.

This one is older (18hrs)
Yusha Yuseef @MIG29_·18h Breaking , Reports from militants media that A Turkish convoy in Sarmin South #Idlib being bombed by Russian jets .

LeithFadel (usually reliable):
@leithfadel · 1h U.S. will not provide air support to Turkey in Syria: Pentagon

{So Syria must turn to the One And Only: PAF!!!}

@leithfadel ·
7h Breaking: Tobruk-based Libyan government to reopen embassy in Syria. Ceremony is tomorrow.


Syrian Observer@ObserverSyrian ·5h The terrorists played right into our trap.


{OK, Admiral Stolichnov sails through Bosporus!}
Peto Lucem Retweeted Yörük Işık @YorukIsik
·3hA final Syrian showdown looms: Heavily laden #ВМФ Project 775 #RussianNavy #ЧФ Black Sea Fleet 197th Landing Ship Brigade’s Ropucha class LSTM (tank carrying landing ship) Novocherkassk 142 transits Bosphorus towards Mediterranean en route to #Tartus #Syria. 14:00Z


Stalingrad/Kursk replay. Wish they could do the accelerated run after that to Istanbul and Ankara!

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Postby UlanBatori » 03 Mar 2020 00:22

So much for 'intelligence':
Peto Lucem Retweeted
The'Nimr'Tiger @Souria4Syrians ·3h Erdogan terrorists said a group of "mujahideen" were ambushed in Kafr Nabl because they went there after some "regime media claimed SAA withdrew from the town but regime was hiding and waiting for them"

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Parasu » 03 Mar 2020 01:39

Rony wrote:
Parasu wrote: Russia is not confident of handling Turkey. That speaks more about Russian arms than all their salesmen.


Not a Russian fan here but what does this have to do with Russian arms ? US is not confident of handling neither Iran nor North Korea nor Taliban. So what that speaks about US arms ?

This isnt an accurate comparison.
Iranian proxies killed a US contractor. US killed top Iranian general.
Turkey killed a Russian pilot. Shot down a Russian plane. Little real action.
And I am not a Russian or an American fan. The fact is that Erdogan is the winner. He has taken over swathes of territory, smartly playing both Russia and the US. And both these powerful states have or are betraying their allies.

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Postby UlanBatori » 03 Mar 2020 02:38

UNHCR opens his brain

Greece has no right to stop accepting asylum requests – UN
2 Mar, 2020 15:57 / Updated 2 hours ago


The UN’s refugee agency said on Monday that Greece had no right to stop accepting asylum applications as Athens struggles with a sudden increase in arrivals of Middle East refugees and migrants from Turkey at its border.
Greek PM Kyriakos Mitsotakis said on Sunday his country would not be accepting any new asylum requests for a month after two days of clashes between border police and thousands of people seeking to enter the EU from Turkey, Reuters reported.
“It is important that the authorities refrain from any measures that might increase the suffering of vulnerable people,” the UNHCR said in a statement. “All states have a right to control their borders and manage irregular movements, but at the same time should refrain from the use of excessive or disproportionate force and maintain systems for handling asylum requests in an orderly manner.”
The UN agency said neither international nor EU law provided any legal basis for the suspension of the reception of asylum applications. The EU has scrambled to help Greece police the frontier and sought to put pressure on Turkey to go back to preventing refugees and migrants stranded on its territory from seeking to reach Europe.

Yes. They can and should ban Pakis.
What happens to Greece demographics, let alone economy, if 3 million Pakis and other terrorists swarm in? It's the long-feared Ottoman Foreign Legion invasion. I am beginning to seee why the Ottomans were so universally loved.

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Postby UlanBatori » 03 Mar 2020 03:35

Erdogan reminds me of Air Marshal PakiFauj Asghar Khan's article: WARS FOR A CEASEFIRE
Ceasefire in Idlib will hopefully be achieved after talks with Putin – Erdogan ahead of upcoming meeting in Moscow
2 Mar, 2020 10:07 / Updated 10 hours ago

Sounds a bit different from the sabermijjile-rattling of 2 days ago. No hope of UN-mandated ceasefire unlike Pakis. Now it's like they say: Erdogan decides when to start the war. Putin decides when to end it. From the ships coming to Syria (or are they headed for Libya?), it doesn't sound like Putin is in any hurry. Saraquib sits at the junction of M$ and M5. M5 goes to Aleppo and Damascus. M4 goes to the Turkish border. I have a feeling that westward traffic will be heavy on M4.

What I am REALLY hoping to do is that Syrians avenge 1982 Bekaa Valley where F-16s destroyed 80 Syrian planes and essentially all SAM sites for the loss of 1 F-16. Those were Israeli. What happens when Turkish F-16s go against frontline Russian fighters and SAMs of 2020? If TuAF H&D gets dented, that will be hard to hide in Istanbul, soc-media blackout or not. Erdogan is BOUND to order them to go in as "vinasa kale gan-doo buddhi"

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Mar 2020 03:47

I may have been wrong about the Al Masdar article cited by Avrachan. Elijah Magnier appears to be well-respected among the SAA types. Here is a video from 2hrs ago:

Can someone pls comment on why we can hear automatic-gun fire, but no shock from the massive SBVIED explosion from the place that is being targeted by the guns? Not even a "thump" if it is only a deflagration, not detonation? Magnier has not posted any description, and the commenters are silly. Photoshop?

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Postby Rony » 03 Mar 2020 06:26

Parasu wrote:This isnt an accurate comparison.
Iranian proxies killed a US contractor. US killed top Iranian general.
Turkey killed a Russian pilot. Shot down a Russian plane. Little real action.
And I am not a Russian or an American fan. The fact is that Erdogan is the winner. He has taken over swathes of territory, smartly playing both Russia and the US. And both these powerful states have or are betraying their allies.


Iranian proxies killed hundreds of US servicemen in Iraq, attached US munna Saudi refineries with no US response to them. After killing Soleimani, Iran lobbed missiles at US bases at Iraq as retaliation and many US soldiers reportedly got brain damage even after hiding in the bunkers. Where is US response to that ? Taliban supported by Pakis killed hundreds of US soilders in Afghanistan. Pakis received aid and Taliban a peace deal. Why did not US punished them yet ?

And how did you conclude Turkey is winning in Syria. They already lost and now in the same situation US was in Afghanistan before. Turkey's original rationale for Syrian intervention was regime change in Damascus. That is dead now and the Turks are no longer talking about it having realized they could not achieve it. Now their secondary goal is to hold on to the Idlib province and dealing with Syrian Kurds. They are slowly losing territories in Idlib too. Just today the strategic Saraqib has been retaken by the syrians again. Unable to face the RuAF, the turks begged US to supply patriots and to help with no fly zone in Idlib. US has rejected both of those demands. Turkey is isolated on all sides in the conflict and is sharply at odds with other major players in the Syrian crisis.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Parasu » 03 Mar 2020 13:10

Iranian launched missiles didn't cause any casualty. In fact, the brain injury reports sound like later addition.
The case with Taliban is different because of guerrilla war. The problem is with finding the enemy and not attacking them.
I see what u ve done here. U ve got me defending US record.
That was not my argument. My argument was that Turkey has gained advantages around its borders because of Erdogan's brinkmanship. It controls swathes of territory inside another country. That is simply illegal but Erdogan gets away with it. All foreign ISIS terrorists reached Syria/iraq through Turkey. Any punishment?! No.
Turkey has made good for itself. Yes, it's losing men, but so are the Syrians. In larger numbers.
Turkey is now trying to hold on to what it has gained scrupulously. That can't be painted as net loss. Unless, Erdogandu loses all territories he has acquired including Afrin and in north east Syria, he is still a winner.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 03 Mar 2020 19:33

Parasu wrote:That was not my argument. My argument was that Turkey has gained advantages around its borders because of Erdogan's brinkmanship. It controls swathes of territory inside another country. That is simply illegal but Erdogan gets away with it. All foreign ISIS terrorists reached Syria/iraq through Turkey. Any punishment?! No.
Turkey has made good for itself. Yes, it's losing men, but so are the Syrians. In larger numbers.
Turkey is now trying to hold on to what it has gained scrupulously. That can't be painted as net loss. Unless, Erdogandu loses all territories he has acquired including Afrin and in north east Syria, he is still a winner.


Turkey is to Syrian civil war what Pakis are to Afghanistan civil war. Both support their terrorist proxies in their neighboring country. Russia is to Assad regime what US was to Ghani govt initially. My argument is just like US exhibited its limits in punishing Pakis inspite of its military superiority, Russia is in similar situation with respect to Turkey and has its limits for political reasons. It has nothing to do with any supposed inferiority or superiority of Russian weapons either way as your original post shown below contended.

Parasu wrote:Also, No.
Russia is not confident of handling Turkey. That speaks more about Russian arms than all their salesmen.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 03 Mar 2020 20:06

Turkish drone capabilities. This by itself wont change the overall game as it is as per the agreed script of Russia not challenging the drones by itself and letting the Syrians handle it who shot down quite a number of them and eventually the Syrians will take over the AQ territories and Turkey will have to go back to the agreed Sochi lines. But it shows how Turkey is using its indigenous drones to offset the lack of its airpower in syria. Expect the Turks to pitch them to the Pakis .


Turkey’s Killer Drone Swarm Poses Syria Air Challenge to Putin

Turkish drones – a 'game changer' in Idlib

Russian War Correspondent Sheds Light on Turkey's Drone Warfare in Idlib

Turkish drones being used in Syria reportedly include the TAI Anka family of drones, which have a weapons payload of up to 200 kg, as well as the Bayraktar TB2, a long-endurance UAV armed with anti-tank missiles.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Manish_Sharma » 03 Mar 2020 20:48

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/india-tel ... st-muslims

India Tells Iran To Stay Away From Its Internal Matters After Their Minister Calls Delhi Riots ‘Against Muslims’

by Swarajya Staff 
Mar 03, 2020


India on Tuesday (3 March) summoned Iran's envoy in the capital to register its protest against Iranian Foreign Minister's scathing comments on the recent communal riots in Delhi over Citizenship (Amendment) Act (CAA).

The recently enacted law, CAA fast tracks citizenship of persecuted religious minorities of three Islamic theocratic countries neighbouring India --Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

On Monday, Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif tweeted, "Iran condemns the wave of organised violence against Indian Muslims. For centuries, Iran has been a friend of India. We urge Indian authorities to ensure the wellbeing of all Indians and not let senseless thuggery prevail. Path forward lies in peaceful dialogue and rule of law."

Official sources said that Iranian envoy to New Delhi, Ali Chegeni was summoned and told that Zarif had commented on the matters "purely internal" to India. The Ministry of External Affairs, last week had urged foreign leaders and institutions to refrain from making irresponsible statements.

The CAA triggered widespread violent protests in India. Last week during United States (US) President Donald Trump's first state visit to India, several parts of Delhi, the epicentre of violent protests against the CAA, erupted in communal riots.

Over 45 people of both Hindu and Muslim communities were killed along with some security officials too.

Incidentally, Iran itself has nationwide protests against rise in fuel prices and for change in the Islamic regime led by the supreme religious leader Ali Khamenei, erupted in Iran last year. Around 2,000 protestors have been killed and over 7,000 arrested by the government in Iran so far.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Mar 2020 20:50

See... these drones ARE a game-changer if deployed in sufficient numbers. Precision-delivered bums, one at a time, can completely destroy today's scattered armored formations as well as infrastructure. This, plus the effect of having unlimited numbers of ATGMs, are the two scary lessons I take away from this. Including (especially!) Himalayan warfare. India has nicely piled on main battle tanks at high altitude to provide firepower, but they are sitting/crawling ducks if there is a swarm of UAVs coming from the other side. Plus, it is difficult enough to put camps at high altitude, so those are also going to be out in the open and exposed to UAV attack. Gen. Smirnoff's boyz can really ruin the day for Erdogan's armies, despite having a large NATO air force. But right now Erdogan is doing heavy damage to the SAA with these.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Parasu » 04 Mar 2020 02:04

Rony wrote:Turkey is to Syrian civil war what Pakis are to Afghanistan civil war. Both support their terrorist proxies in their neighboring country. Russia is to Assad regime what US was to Ghani govt initially. My argument is just like US exhibited its limits in punishing Pakis inspite of its military superiority, Russia is in similar situation with respect to Turkey and has its limits for political reasons. It has nothing to do with any supposed inferiority or superiority of Russian weapons either way as your original post shown below contended.


Did Pakistan shoot down a US plane in Afghanistan? Did Pakistan overtly intervene to attack a US ally with drones, missiles, aircraft etc.?
The brazen way in which Turkey is acting in Syria and the way Russia is accommodating gives the impression that Russia is not confident of handling Turkey if things go out of hand.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 04 Mar 2020 02:18

Major Jarnail-e-SAA reported shaheed.
Syrian Ops @SyrianOps ·1h Major General Ramadan Youssef, commander of the 9th Division and head of the Military Security Committee in Hama Province is reported killed near Maarat al-Numan today. #idlib #SAA #syria


Also from same thread:
AS-Source News / MILITARY @As_SourceBrkNew·3hURGENT: Turkish Military forces were attacked inside TURKEY (Hatay) current numbers of casualties unknown. #Turkey #SAA


There was fighting(SAA/Smirnoff air raids) reported from Daraa Province (UBCN need to look up the map 2 c where that eej) Term used on map is "Daraa Insurgency".
Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha·14h
Syrian Army operations in Sanamayn in Daraa countryside ended following negotiations between SAA & town leaders/representatives with Russian mediation, resulting with evacuation of approximately 50 militants from Sanamayn & Tafas to northern Syria in new reconciliation agreement


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To be precise it happened in town of Ma'arat al Aliya, it was a counter bombardment by SAA artillery meaning by, countering Turkey Artillery which was stationed over there and targeting SAA troops.
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Many Turkish soldiers have been killed and wounded by SAA rocket artillery near Tranbeh, west of Saraqib. | SOHR (Pro jihadi source)

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby nam » 04 Mar 2020 02:27

Everyone is going ga ga over Turkish drone attacks...

Would such attacks by propeller aircraft like say HTT 40 be called game changer? Drones are unmanned HTT40!

All these drone drama work against Syria, as it has nothing much of air defence or airforce left. Russia doesn't want to shoot Turkish assets and blow the situation more.

An army with even decent air defence will make these drone sitting ducks.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 04 Mar 2020 02:47

Global Hawks fly at 30K ft. Bredator something similar. They can hang around for a long time.
Question is: which country can you think of, that has much of an air defense left after 3 days of war with an enemy who has a large attack force? Esp, at high altitude?

Also, with cheen-desh I am **NOT** talking of propeller drones except for tactical tamashas (throw-launch), but transonic/supersonic UCAVs. It is just as EZ to mass-produce those: basically low-G artillery shells with wings and GPS and autopilot chips and cell/sat-phone. Plus a mijjile or 2. Just by taking out the frail and slow hyooman pilot, the design and production cost comes down by 2 orders of magnitude. They could also get rid of all their MiG-15s and MiG-17s by sticking chips instead of WongWeis in the "cockpit".

Anyway, for the enthusiasts here: Rare view out the front window of a supersonic bomber.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 04 Mar 2020 03:13

Parasu wrote: Did Pakistan shoot down a US plane in Afghanistan? Did Pakistan overtly intervene to attack a US ally with drones, missiles, aircraft etc.? The brazen way in which Turkey is acting in Syria and the way Russia is accommodating gives the impression that Russia is not confident of handling Turkey if things go out of hand.


Russia recently bombed Turkish soldiers to bit and pieces. RuAF has resumed its air strikes on Turkish proxies again. When was the last time US bombed Pakistani soldiers/military advisers in Afghanistan ? And none of the Russian actions or limitations wrt to Turkey in Syria are related to its supposed inferiority of Russian weapons as you first alleged.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Cain Marko » 04 Mar 2020 03:57

Rony wrote: And none of the Russian actions or limitations wrt to Turkey in Syria are related to its supposed inferiority of Russian weapons as you first alleged.

This is a very important point. So long as the supply chain is well managed and spares are stocked, Russian maal behaves just as well - tiptop. As far as organic tech superiority is concerned, only US can claim superiority in conventional areas, and this is often mitigated by the Russia via some jugaad or the other.

Take the whole F-16 vs. Mig29 scenario or M16 vs AK scene or even the LA class vs Akula. It is only a matter of unnees-bees, no more. Stealth and compact electronics is the area where the US enjoys advantage, but the Russkis counter with big ass systems like Zaslon/Bars/Irbis, IRST, speed and maneuverability. The use of long range hypersonics and SAMs like S400 cannot be ignored either.

The Russki prosecution of war in Syria is an excellent example of how well their tech and support systems worked. ideally, a country would do well to have a small high -tech force to gain initial advantage, followed by large amounts of cheap and robust systems to ensure said advantage.


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