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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 13 Jan 2020 07:16

hanumadu wrote: The fight against hijab is definitely against a tenet of Islam though it might be against Islam itself. There have been instances of burning quran in those rallies.


There are many Muslims including some Muslim scholars like this who would argue that Hijab is not a mandatory feature of Islam. Feminism and anti-hijab movement in Iran comes in two varieties - atheist/anti-Muslim and Muslim but anti-hijab. We see mostly the first in the media who are relatively less but more visible and more noisy. But the second ones are the ones more numerous in Iran according to my Iranian friend.

Also in theory we would expect people who are leaving Islam in Iran would turn to either zoroastrianism or even its close relative Vedic Hinduism. But in reality they are either becoming atheist or even more interestingly becoming Christians. According to this report, Iran has world’s fastest-growing church.

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Postby UlanBatori » 13 Jan 2020 07:27

I have a different view on this. I see women in India and elsewhere, CHOOSING to adopt practices such as wearing a hijab (scarf etc over the head). I do not believe that this is all due to male pressure, in fact the male pressure usually comes from the M-in-L dictating virtue standards.

The "feminists" are full of it. Going around with the wind blowing up one's ass and having one's legs freeze or get sunburned, are not smart ideas for anyone, and do not convey any "freedom" to most women. It is a practice that makes women subject themselves to judgement of their merit by the length and shape of their legs (not to mention bare forearms because that is too sharam-sharam).

I know the Scots used to go around in mini-skirt kilts so that they could expose their mijjiles, but civilized societies don't make men go around exhbiting genitals as part of being "well-dressed". I don't see why women should be subjected to pressure to do that.

So I think the smart money is on totally respecting the hijab etc and the dignity of those who choose to adhere to what they see as their traditional values.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby hanumadu » 13 Jan 2020 07:35

Rony wrote:
hanumadu wrote: The fight against hijab is definitely against a tenet of Islam though it might be against Islam itself. There have been instances of burning quran in those rallies.


There are many Muslims including some Muslim scholars like this who would argue that Hijab is not a mandatory feature of Islam. Feminism and anti-hijab movement in Iran comes in two varieties - atheist/anti-Muslim and Muslim but anti-hijab. We see mostly the first in the media who are relatively less but more visible and more noisy. But the second ones are the ones more numerous in Iran according to my Iranian friend.

Also in theory we would expect people who are leaving Islam in Iran would turn to either zoroastrianism or even its close relative Vedic Hinduism. But in reality they are either becoming atheist or even more interestingly becoming Christians. According to this report, Iran has world’s fastest-growing church.


This is exactly what I mean. They are converting to christianity because its the dominant religion in the world. If they want to revert to their roots, christianity has to lose some of its sheen. But, my concern is more about what happens in India when such a situation arises. We should position Hinduism as the obvious choice for them.

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Postby ricky_v » 15 Jan 2020 16:24

https://spectator.us/stop-hoping-iranian-spring/
There is another explanation for the self-contradictory nonsense we are being told. Whatever happens in the Middle East, there is only one constant. Whenever and wherever popular protests erupt, the democracy junkies that dominate the western media take leave of their collective mind.

This has nothing to do with whether they are on the right or the left, or their allegiance or otherwise to whoever is president at the time. It goes beyond politics. It’s primordial. Their excitement at seeing social media videos of protesters in the region’s streets is akin that of a 13-year-old kid who has just found out how to find ***** on his cell phone. Soon enough, of course, that kid will discover that what he saw on the screen little resembles sex in the real world; but he will remain addicted to the unobtainable fantasy despite all the negative personal consequences. The same is true of the media’s democracy junkies. They thought every single uprising in the Middle East during the past decade that sent them into such a crazed stupor — from Libya to Syria, Egypt to Iraq — would end up all smiley faces and picnics in the park. Instead of an Arab Spring, all ended disastrously, and as a result the region is one of the most dangerous in the world for the self-same journalists to work in. Yet still they crave another fix.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 16 Jan 2020 18:24

Slightly OT, but ... They don't say what make or model of plane or engine.
Good thing they didn't have to fly over, say, WHOTUS on the way back to the airport. :eek:

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby amritk » 17 Jan 2020 00:36

Luckily the Patriots don't get all worked up at compressor stalls. And civilian/military ATC coordination, well, exists.

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Postby UlanBatori » 17 Jan 2020 00:39

amritk wrote:Luckily the Patriots don't get all worked up at compressor stalls. And civilian/military ATC coordination, well, exists.

In the US, the standard practice is that if a plane is seen heading for a power plant, or other verboten airspace at fairly low altitude, kind and gentle F-16s wake up and come alongside. If u wave at them from ur window they will probably not wave back. Because they have orders to shoot u down unless u agree in time to be forced down.
But WHOTUS & COTUS airspace are on a different level altogether. Enough said.

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Postby g.sarkar » 17 Jan 2020 06:16

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news ... -sanctions
US formally exempts Chabahar from sanctions
Navtan Kumar, January 11, 2020.

New Delhi: After several roadblocks, Minister of External Affairs S. Jaishankar has been successful in untangling the knot of Iran’s Chabahar project, which is crucial for India in strategic terms. This, apart from the energy security issue, is the reason why India is focused on ensuring peace and stability in the Middle East in the wake of heightened tensions between Iran and the United States.
India has secured a written assurance from the US to exempt this port from sanctions during the second 2+2 Ministerial Dialogue between India and US in December 2019. In fact, soon after the dialogue in Washington, Jaishankar visited Teheran and informed Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javed Zarif that it had got written assurance from the US exempting the Shahid Baheshti Port at Chabahar from sanctions.
India and Iran also “recognised that the port has the potential to act as a gateway between the Indian subcontinent, Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia and Europe”. Both countries also “welcomed the utilisation of the port for exports from Afghanistan and discussed ways to promote it”. Zarif is coming to New Delhi next week.
India, it is to be noted, had been unable to place orders for equipment for the project for a long time, given the US had imposed sanctions on Iran in November 2018. Though US had given verbal assurance, no bank was in a position of sanctioning a letter of credit for the purchase in the absence of a written assurance. The written assurance from the US, say sources, will pave the way for companies investing in the project.
Chabahar port is located on Iran’s southeastern coast. India is developing this port to secure connectivity to Afghanistan and Central Asia, bypassing Pakistan. The delay in the implementation of the project has made Iran impatient, and it had started a strategic alliance with China.
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Postby Peregrine » 18 Jan 2020 00:55

Iran was spooked by reports of US F-35s when it downed airliner: Russia – Reuters

MOSCOW: Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday that Iran's accidental shooting down of a Ukrainian airliner last week occurred at a time when Tehran was spooked by reports of advanced US stealth fighters in the area.

"There were at least six (US) F-35 fighters in the air in the Iranian border area (at the time). This information has yet to be verified, but I'd like to underline the edginess that always accompanies such situations, " Lavrov said.

Iran's downing of Ukraine International Airlines flight 752, which killed all 176 people aboard, has created a crisis for the Islamic Republic's clerical rulers who have faced days of protests after the Iranian military admitted it had shot down the plane accidentally.

Lavrov, speaking at his annual news conference in Moscow, called the incident a human error and said he was not trying to excuse anyone for what happened.

But he said it was important to understand the context and that the incident had occurred hours after an Iranian missile attack on US bases in Iraq, when Iranian forces were braced for some kind of US military retaliation.

"There is information that the Iranians were expecting another attack from the United States after the strike but did not know what form it might take," said Lavrov.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Aditya_V » 18 Jan 2020 13:23

hanumadu wrote:
Rony wrote:
There are many Muslims including some Muslim scholars like this who would argue that Hijab is not a mandatory feature of Islam. Feminism and anti-hijab movement in Iran comes in two varieties - atheist/anti-Muslim and Muslim but anti-hijab. We see mostly the first in the media who are relatively less but more visible and more noisy. But the second ones are the ones more numerous in Iran according to my Iranian friend.

Also in theory we would expect people who are leaving Islam in Iran would turn to either zoroastrianism or even its close relative Vedic Hinduism. But in reality they are either becoming atheist or even more interestingly becoming Christians. According to this report, Iran has world’s fastest-growing church.


This is exactly what I mean. They are converting to christianity because its the dominant religion in the world. If they want to revert to their roots, christianity has to lose some of its sheen. But, my concern is more about what happens in India when such a situation arises. We should position Hinduism as the obvious choice for them.


World over Hindus are seen with derision and as losers supported by BBC, Al Jazeera, CCN etc. Nobody is going to convert to a religion which is economically and miltarily weak. Very few people think about the Soul and in closed societies there is no real scope for debates.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 20 Jan 2020 19:01

Cyrus the Great’s Ghost Haunts Iran’s Islamic Republic

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/01/cyru ... c-republic

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rsatchi » 27 Jan 2020 02:45

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 637126.cms
The great cover up!
so no matter which Islamic democratic country(which is an oxymoron in itself) the real power in the Ummah democracy is always with the Mard-e-momeen TFTA Jihardist Gernails!!!

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Postby Arun.prabhu » 27 Jan 2020 08:32

So they mistook a humongous civilian plane for a warplane with the RCS of a golf ball? Right. Pull the other one, Lavrov. The Iranian air defense panicked and screwed the pooch on this one.

Peregrine wrote:Iran was spooked by reports of US F-35s when it downed airliner: Russia – Reuters

MOSCOW: Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday that Iran's accidental shooting down of a Ukrainian airliner last week occurred at a time when Tehran was spooked by reports of advanced US stealth fighters in the area.

"There were at least six (US) F-35 fighters in the air in the Iranian border area (at the time). This information has yet to be verified, but I'd like to underline the edginess that always accompanies such situations, " Lavrov said.

Iran's downing of Ukraine International Airlines flight 752, which killed all 176 people aboard, has created a crisis for the Islamic Republic's clerical rulers who have faced days of protests after the Iranian military admitted it had shot down the plane accidentally.

Lavrov, speaking at his annual news conference in Moscow, called the incident a human error and said he was not trying to excuse anyone for what happened.

But he said it was important to understand the context and that the incident had occurred hours after an Iranian missile attack on US bases in Iraq, when Iranian forces were braced for some kind of US military retaliation.

"There is information that the Iranians were expecting another attack from the United States after the strike but did not know what form it might take," said Lavrov.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Aditya_V » 27 Jan 2020 12:28

Well, the Best Radars and Defences in Iran would have been over Tehran, and it is an old Russian SAM system. I hope this opens the eyes of people who deride Indian Advances based on Iranian claims of successes. The Iranians have some Chinese and Russian stuff and surprisingly their F-14 fleet previously supplied by the US Israelis.

The US and Israelis I feel are playing the Arabs, they keep the Arab anger towards Iran so they dont turn and on them keep thier Multi Billion dollar weapons contracts flowing.

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Postby nandakumar » 27 Jan 2020 13:00

Meanwhile CNN reports that there has been a rocket attack on US embassy in Baghdad. The State Department spokesman only referred to the place as an international zone. Not sure if this lead to another round of flare up with Iran.

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Postby mmasand » 28 Jan 2020 00:17

Aditya_V wrote:Well, the Best Radars and Defences in Iran would have been over Tehran, and it is an old Russian SAM system. I hope this opens the eyes of people who deride Indian Advances based on Iranian claims of successes. The Iranians have some Chinese and Russian stuff and surprisingly their F-14 fleet previously supplied by the US Israelis.

The US and Israelis I feel are playing the Arabs, they keep the Arab anger towards Iran so they dont turn and on them keep thier Multi Billion dollar weapons contracts flowing.


IRIADF and IRGC's AF are two separate entities, whilst the more formidable systems were under a proper command and authority hierarchy, the IRGC started to take delivery of more lethal short range air defence missiles post revolution.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 28 Jan 2020 05:44

g.sarkar, You been very diligent and sane in this thread.
A request to you.
Please monitor Iranian Baluchistan news.
And leave the rest as noise.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Philip » 28 Jan 2020 06:16

It is nationalism not religion that dominates.If it were simply religion,we'd have tremendous unity amongst the Arab states! I remember a dpl. banquet many years ago where Arab unity was being discussed in the context of combating Israel.A well-known intl. head listening to the serious discussion and predictions going on simply chuckled and said ," Arab unity? Dream on!"
Iranian/ Persian nationalism is greater glue holding its people together than its religion.The same holds good for India.Whatever differences are there in politics,etc.,the nation closes ranks in a crisis when threatened by external forces.

The Iranians have tx. to sanctions resurrected even the ancient F-5 in a new avatar apart from keeping the F-14s airborne.But more impressive are its large fleet of small modest indigenous mini-subs specifically meant to disrupt shipping in the Gulf. It also has a decent missile inventory ,leveraging some Chinese tech.Years ago it rectived Silkworm anti- ship missiles from China.In the current situation it would be interesting to see if it acquires newer Ru or Chin. systems.

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Postby Rudradev » 31 Jan 2020 02:42

kit wrote:
hanumadu wrote:According to SM, lot of student protests going against Iran and expressing happiness over killing of Soleimani. The protests are not just against the regime but also have an anti Islam element to it. I wonder how long this regime and Islam itself lasts in Iran now.

What will Indian shia muslims do when Iran leaves Islam? Will they become sunni, revert back to Hinduism, take up some other religion like christianity. How about shias in Sindh, Pakistan?

Ideally, I would have preferred this to happen in another 20 years time. When India is much stronger, has a better image, Hinduism would have a more favourable standing in the world and had controlled conversion activities. The natural choice for shias would have been Hinduism.



Not a bad thing to have a secular ( ! ) Islamic nation next door to the Pakis !!


No, it would be a terrible thing.

During the 1965 and 1971 wars, secular Shah of Iran
-Supplied Pakistan with F104 Starfighters, F86 Sabres, and spares from his own well-stocked US-backed inventory
-Gave safe harbour to Pakistani submarines, including PNS Ghazi, in Iranian ports
-Provided Pakis with oil on generous payment terms

In sum they were far more pro-Paki as a secular(ish) Iran than post the 1979 revolution.

Iranian sympathy for Pakistan extends beyond Islam (in fact, the Sunni-v-Shia subtext of their respective Islams is almost a sticking point in this regard). Rather, Iranians see in Pakistan an enduring reminder of what they imagine to be conquest-driven Persianate influence over the Indian subcontinent... the use of Nastaliq script in Urdu, for example, is perceived as a symbol of the fact that Persian was the court language of the Mughals in India.

The truth is that Iran never actually invaded (let alone conquered) Indian territory other than during the Mughal-Safavid war over Afghanistan and later on the raid of Nadir Shah on Delhi; yet, they have always regarded Indians as an inferior people to be enslaved, looted, and exploited by their TFTA selves, much as the Germans/Teutons have traditionally regarded the Slavs.

A pro-US secular Iran will very likely revert to the Shah's policy of backing Pakistan far more robustly than the Ayatollahs ever did.

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Postby Najunamar » 31 Jan 2020 07:06

RDji,

Even if Iran becomes overtly aligned to Pakis, wouldn't it be good to have that in the open than the current running with the hares and hunting with the hound? Also, it will create the stark choice of Pakis and their rotten allies versus closer collaboration with Desh for Khanate.

It may end up being a win-win either way for us.


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Postby Vikas » 10 Feb 2020 16:50

Najunamar wrote:RDji,

Even if Iran becomes overtly aligned to Pakis, wouldn't it be good to have that in the open than the current running with the hares and hunting with the hound? Also, it will create the stark choice of Pakis and their rotten allies versus closer collaboration with Desh for Khanate.

It may end up being a win-win either way for us.


Ask the question, can Pakis afford to be aligned with Iran ?
KSA of 1971 is not the KSA of today nor was Pak as much dependent upon KSA as it is today for survival.
They may collaborate but not beyond a point. Gulf has too shown that they have started hedging the bets by getting into Indian Orbit to the ulcer of Paki Ummah.

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Postby Vikas » 03 Mar 2020 10:00

Iranian Mullahs wade into Indian Internal affairs

Where are those who whine of Civilizational bonds with Iran and want India to dump US in favor of these crazy Mullahs.
Once anyone goes green, They stay green and will slowly turn to the darkest shade of green.
A country which has interirized violence as its USP now tries to lecture Bharat.
MBS was right about these Persians. They are backstabbers and act holier-than-thou despite having extinguished any trace of humanity and Minority in the land of Parsis.

Whenever the bombing of Iran begins, I wish to see few Indian Bisons as part of the swarm.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif has condemned the “wave of organised violence against Indian Muslims” and urged authorities to “not let senseless thuggery” prevail. He was reacting to the riots in Northeast Delhi which have so far claimed 46 lives and left more than 200 injured.
“Iran condemns the wave of organised violence against Indian Muslims. For centuries, Iran has been a friend of India. We urge Indian authorities to ensure the wellbeing of ALL Indians & not let senseless thuggery prevail. Path forward lies in peaceful dialogue and rule of law,” Zarif said on Twitter on Monday night.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Manish_Sharma » 03 Mar 2020 20:47

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/india-tel ... st-muslims

India Tells Iran To Stay Away From Its Internal Matters After Their Minister Calls Delhi Riots ‘Against Muslims’

by Swarajya Staff 
Mar 03, 2020


India on Tuesday (3 March) summoned Iran's envoy in the capital to register its protest against Iranian Foreign Minister's scathing comments on the recent communal riots in Delhi over Citizenship (Amendment) Act (CAA).

The recently enacted law, CAA fast tracks citizenship of persecuted religious minorities of three Islamic theocratic countries neighbouring India --Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

On Monday, Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif tweeted, "Iran condemns the wave of organised violence against Indian Muslims. For centuries, Iran has been a friend of India. We urge Indian authorities to ensure the wellbeing of all Indians and not let senseless thuggery prevail. Path forward lies in peaceful dialogue and rule of law."

Official sources said that Iranian envoy to New Delhi, Ali Chegeni was summoned and told that Zarif had commented on the matters "purely internal" to India. The Ministry of External Affairs, last week had urged foreign leaders and institutions to refrain from making irresponsible statements.

The CAA triggered widespread violent protests in India. Last week during United States (US) President Donald Trump's first state visit to India, several parts of Delhi, the epicentre of violent protests against the CAA, erupted in communal riots.

Over 45 people of both Hindu and Muslim communities were killed along with some security officials too.

Incidentally, Iran itself has nationwide protests against rise in fuel prices and for change in the Islamic regime led by the supreme religious leader Ali Khamenei, erupted in Iran last year. Around 2,000 protestors have been killed and over 7,000 arrested by the government in Iran so far.

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Postby Vivek K » 04 Mar 2020 00:24

So is India’s Chabar investment wasted? Iran is showing its true colors. A nation that some in the Muslim world (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan) claim an not even being part of the Ummah is attacking India. This from a nation where millions have disappeared without explanation!!

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Postby Vikas » 05 Mar 2020 13:46

Vivek K wrote:So is India’s Chabar investment wasted? Iran is showing its true colors. A nation that some in the Muslim world (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan) claim an not even being part of the Ummah is attacking India. This from a nation where millions have disappeared without explanation!!


Vivek, These are minor blips. Chabahar port isn't just something India wants, Iran too has equal stake in it.
In a world full of enemies, Iranian Mullah can't afford to antagonize the elephant in the neighborhood especially with them almost on the edge of getting bombed any day.

They only problem is that some of the dinosaurs of the world Foreign offices including Iran is still looking at India from the prism of 80's-90's while India and Indians have moved on with new found assertiveness and wealth.
See the change in behavior viz-a-viz Arabs, East Asia and Americans.

Wait for the next event where Iran is involved and Indian reaction/vote on it.

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Postby Rony » 06 Mar 2020 12:20

Just wondering, did India commented anything when Iran killed more than 1000 of its own people just 3 months back who were protesting against the Mullah regime ? If not, then we need to going forward whenever such things happen. And all this "civilization friendly ties" is bunkum.

India -Iran civilization ties were mostly being rivals.

1. During the Arya period, Indian Deva's (Indian Vedic Hindus) vs Iranian Asura's (Iranian Vedic Hindus) - Battle of Ten kings. Indian Vedic Hindus victory and expulsion of Iranian Hindu ancestors from India to Iran.

2. During the Muslim period, its Indian turkic rulers (Mughals) vs Iranian turkic rulers (Safavids). Stalemate initial years but later Shahjahan loses Afghanistan to Abbas 2.

3. In 18th century, Iranian turkic Nadirshah's invasion of dying Indian turkic Mughal empire.

4. During British period, British India vs Qajar Iran. Later Qajar's become a puppet of the British.

5. During cold war, Shah's alliance with Pakistan against India and supporting pakistan in all its wars with India.

6. In the 80s, Pakistan -Iran nuclear cooperation

7. Its only in the 90s, when Taliban came to power in Afg, that India and Iran formed a marriage of convenience against Taliban-Paki-Saudi axis.
Now that is fading away as Saudi-UAE-Israel-US axis reach out to India and Iran reaches out to Pakistan-Turkey-China axis.

I am pessimistic about chabahar. Backstabbing Iranians will try to screw us. They have already invited China and Pakis to join Chabahar.

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 606_1.html

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Postby Vikas » 06 Mar 2020 13:22

Rony wrote:Just wondering, did India commented anything when Iran killed more than 1000 of its own people just 3 months back who were protesting against the Mullah regime ? If not, then we need to going forward whenever such things happen. And all this "civilization friendly ties" is bunkum.

India -Iran civilization ties were mostly being rivals.


+100
I don't see mention of Iran in civilizational memoirs except for Nadir Shah's brutal invasion of Delhi..
Iranians till yesterday were making bee line to India to settle down here or make money in Muslim courts.
Even the blithering idiot Khamanei's family migrated from UP.

When the moment comes, Just twist the knife bit more into Iranian back like all powers do.
If Iranian regime is worried about Indian Muslims, so is India worried about Parsis and Irans hegmonistic designs against peace loving Arabs and Israel..

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Postby Rony » 08 Mar 2020 23:20

Divya Kumar Soti
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If you see the arrest of Rizvis in Delhi riots case amidst speculation about shia identity of Tahir Hussain in light of Khomeini's statements, interesting questions arise. Did shias joined sunnis as force multipliers in riots to spoil Trump's visit on orders from Tehran ?


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Two points are important in this context:-

1. Shia protest circuit was active in India after Solemani's assassination by US;

2. Kalbe Sadiq and Kalbe Jawwad have been making fiery statements against CAA. Sadiq's son named in Lucknow riots, Jawwad was first to rush to Delhi.


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Also Javed Zarif tweeting is a give away

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Postby KLNMurthy » 09 Mar 2020 00:57

All these demarches and diplomatic protests are useless.

I would say, pass a further amendment of the CAA (CAAA?) to include Baha'is, Zoroastrians and Jews fleeing persecution in Iran.

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Postby ldev » 09 Mar 2020 02:28

Is India Losing Friends In The World? Jaishankar Responds To Criticism Over Delhi Violence

In the thick of global reactions over the contentious citizenship law (CAA) and the recent violence that unleashed in Delhi, External Minister S. Jaishankar responded to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei condemnation on March 7. Addressing the Global Business Summit in the national capital, Jaishankar said that India is getting to know its 'friends.'

On Saturday, at the Global Business Summit Jaishankar was asked if India was losing friends in the world, to which he responded saying, "Maybe we are getting to know who our friends really are
." "Kind of a geopolitical assessment, there was a time when India was very defensive," he added.

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Postby Philip » 09 Mar 2020 12:56

Poor reply. It displays both indifference and ignorance of the effect internationally of events at home.
Remember the international condemnation of the Emergency?
Keep matters at home tickety-boo. Snuff out any communal riots asap and punish all offenders regardless of party or private connections. Iran was and one hopes still is a close friend where both nations are involved in a v.important strat. project,the Chahbahar port. Sulking doesn't help.

We are on the defensive now on 3 issues where Muslims are involved.Art.370 and Kashmir.Here most nations have regarded it as our own internalzaffair, barring some western busyboodies who took part in the destruction of Iraq and Syria,fuelling ISIS,etc.

Next the CAA. Due to contradictory statements at times from babus and politicos,the original intent has been mixed up as if there is a conspiracy to remove citizenship of minorities. Here,the GOI needs to publish exactly what the CAA,NRC,etc. entails to defuse the internal situ.As for firangs,this too is an internal matter
India is NOT contributing to the global refugee pandemic, which the west ( US and EU in particular) bombed Libya,Iraq,Syria, and encouraged the Saudis in the civil war in the Yemen. Not a SINGLE refugee from India ,Muslim or otherwise has fled yo Europe.On the contrary,the stinking Paki record of human rights is conveniently forgotten as the US defeated in Afg. wants to exit with " dignity", bringing back the bestial Taliban whose outrageous treatmant of women is unmatched.

Lastly,the Delhi riots. Here we are on weaker ground as it is a fact that the authorities were slow to act,esp. the Delh ipolice.
But to insinuate that all these are a conspiracy is far from the truth.Paki terrorism in Kashmir and other acts of hatred against India are ignored.Quick relief in the affected areas in Delhi, open access to these efforts will defeat anti- Indian propaganda and lessen the voices of criticism against India.If need be,some of them carefully chosen, should be invited to see our efforts at restoring normality. Let us not meekly take the intl. criticism neither should we be too aggressive in our counters.A lot more could be achieved through robust ,
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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Vikas » 09 Mar 2020 13:06

^^Philip, why so much of soft corner for ungrateful Shias ?

No country is free of troubles especially with a country as diverse as India. Doesn't give anyone right to crow.
Morons in Tehran should keep their head in their asses where it belongs as India is one of the last few well wishers they have left. Anyways Chabahar is not keys to meddling neck in Indian affairs.
Perineal Back stabbers like Iran should be shunned as much as possible by Indian diplomacy.
Arabs have turned out to be far honorable friends that useless Mullah of Tehran.
I hope when the opportunity comes, India would deliver a equally swift kick between Iranian legs.

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Postby Philip » 09 Mar 2020 13:50

Iran must not be viewed as a Shiite entity, ut from the grand perspective of the former Persian empire and its geo- strategic importance.The Chahbahar port is of vital importance to us in fncircling Pak and keeping up ouf >⁹ in AFG. We need to convince the Ayatollah and co. that there is no pogrom on in India.
The atrocities committed by Pak in Kashmir,etc.highlighted with vigour. Our diplomacy must be pro-active and meaningful.

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Postby Vikas » 09 Mar 2020 15:50

^^ As if we owe anything to Iran that we need to convince them for anything internal.
Its a board game of weak v/s powerful. Never show the sharks & Islamists, you are bleeding.
I don't see the same Krazy Mullah ever opening their mouth against China.
If I have understood Modi Ji and his way of working, Iran will get a Thappad soon. He doesn't take such haranguing lightly.

Iran identifies itself as Shiaite entity and nothing else. Persian empire died many centuries ago alongside greatness of Persia.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rsatchi » 09 Mar 2020 17:50

Vikas wrote:^^ As if we owe anything to Iran that we need to convince them for anything internal.
Its a board game of weak v/s powerful. Never show the sharks & Islamists, you are bleeding.
I don't see the same Krazy Mullah ever opening their mouth against China.
If I have understood Modi Ji and his way of working, Iran will get a Thappad soon. He doesn't take such haranguing lightly.

Iran identifies itself as Shiaite entity and nothing else. Persian empire died many centuries ago alongside greatness of Persia.

Vikasji
Rightly so
We should actively encourage the ' Shia-Sunni Mantan'
In today's world no-one is a permanent friend
all the news about Iranian statements and Demonstrations in Afghanistan : Priority is what is in it for us (with regards to so called friends)
Hopefully COVID-19 will take few years off Chini quest for dominance!
We should be ready with our strategies!!

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby chetak » 09 Mar 2020 18:51

Rsatchi wrote:
Vikas wrote:^^ As if we owe anything to Iran that we need to convince them for anything internal.
Its a board game of weak v/s powerful. Never show the sharks & Islamists, you are bleeding.
I don't see the same Krazy Mullah ever opening their mouth against China.
If I have understood Modi Ji and his way of working, Iran will get a Thappad soon. He doesn't take such haranguing lightly.

Iran identifies itself as Shiaite entity and nothing else. Persian empire died many centuries ago alongside greatness of Persia.

Vikasji
Rightly so
We should actively encourage the ' Shia-Sunni Mantan'
In today's world no-one is a permanent friend
all the news about Iranian statements and Demonstrations in Afghanistan : Priority is what is in it for us (with regards to so called friends)
Hopefully COVID-19 will take few years off Chini quest for dominance!
We should be ready with our strategies!!


these guys are really pissed off with the reduced oil imports by India due to the US sanctions. They were expecting us to break the sanctions just so that the mullahs could sell us more oil, despite the sanctions.

When we got the US waiver to exempt chabahar port from US sanctions, the mullahs again wanted to piggy back on us to intercede with the US on their behalf.

these are the two main reasons that the mullahs are pissed with us and are mouthing off about the "riots" in India.

one thing about these shia mullahs, they are never shy about being selfish and simply do not care if the SDREs are hurt in the process.

they must be smoking something really very special back there in teheran :mrgreen:

they are certainly not beyond funding the riots in dilli as a payback to trump and the SDREs

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 09 Mar 2020 19:17

Irrespective of their motivations, they do have enough ability to cause riots in India and create internal disturbances via their Shia proxies . See the tweets i posted above. Even before they were able to bomb the Israeli embassy in Delhi using their Indian shia network.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Lisa » 09 Mar 2020 19:18

Since when is it fashionable for us to reply to counties that do not even have 5% of our population or for that matter considerably less muslims in their own populations?

Khamenei needs to explain where the Parsis and Bahais of Iran are first, then we can have an equal conversation. It needs to be pointed out that BOTH now have refuge in India.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Vikas » 09 Mar 2020 20:59

Iran will do what it deems fit for itself but why some of us on BRF try to rationalize and justify this behavior or Iran.
Sadly Muslims are India are swayed easily by KSA or Iran and earlier Turkey too despite they being children of greatest & most ancient civilization on earth.


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