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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Vikas » 17 Mar 2020 20:05

China has already lost the media and optics battle on Wuhan virus. It now more on face saving trajectory.

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Postby Primus » 17 Mar 2020 20:16

IndraD wrote:
Gerard"Coronavirus Pandemic Update 37: The ACE-2 Receptor - The Doorway to COVID-19 (ACE Inhibitors & ARBs)


just like anything else in medicine , there is a lot of confusion on the issue and no clear cut guidance.
If virus is using ACE Receptors it would be worth not up regulating them !!
But then better outcome cos once virus in in vasodilator effect of ACE I is protective.
Can't we vasodilate using other drugs?



I think the issues raised are:

1. Do ARBs protect against the virus - the answer seems to be definitely no.
2. Do these facilitate entry of the virus into the body? Unknown. Seems like having HTN alone is a risk factor.
3. Should people take ARBs as preventive measures - no.
4. Should people on these already for other reasons stop them? Answer is probably not.

From what I've heard, people should just continue taking ARBs if they are already on them. Better to have HTN that is well controlled than not.

Me, personally, I am on Ca channel blockers, specifically Cilnidipine which I get from Desh as it is not available in the US and Amlodipine causes way more edema.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby sudeepj » 17 Mar 2020 20:27

Mort Walker wrote:
sudeepj wrote:https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/malaysia-on-new-coronavirus-lockdown-after-sharp-case-spike/



Hot and humid Malaysia goes into lockdown. We should not expect the summer to bring relief from this virus.


Malaysia has a significant Chinese origin population and there is a lot of commerce between China and Malaysia. They're taking precautions. So far no one in Malaysia has died out of the 570 plus cases there. I would suspect many of these cases are due to travel from China.


Why speculate when reading the article would clear all doubts? Most cases are from a single super spreading event centered around a Tablighi event in a mosque attended by over 15,000 people. This proves that Coronavirus can spread in Hot/Humid environments and there is no drop in how contagious it is even under such conditions.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby IndraD » 17 Mar 2020 20:39

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Losartan & ACE I saves from cardiovascular collapse!! Now another group is shouting. One should not change anti hypertensive!!


http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby chetak » 17 Mar 2020 20:40

this lady has a point


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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby vishvak » 17 Mar 2020 20:41

ricky_v wrote:For people clamouring for vaccines, no vaccines have yet been made for SARS or mers, SARS was in 2003. The ones trialled on animals has been fatal. Hopes for vaccine development, testing and deployment are futile.

Specifically it is not like plague but if it affects/weakens resistance based on genes then Chinese must be asked about these cruel diseases. And also why no tablets or vaccine for the same till now.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby rgosain » 17 Mar 2020 21:06

Vikas wrote:China has already lost the media and optics battle on Wuhan virus. It now more on face saving trajectory.

Pigs will fly the day that happens. Already the media in the west is trying to sugar coat the entire Wuhan virus by saying that "china saved the world". This is in addition to such august publications as the Lancet which has been mainstreaming PRC publications that have to pass the PRC censors. The same lancet that doesn't hesitate to lecture India on non-health matters.
Many publications, journal providers, patent assignees need the subscriptions from the PRC to stay afloat, and since many like Thomson-Reuters are traditional media operators, they will kow tow to the PRC viewpoint.
This event portrays the WHO as a convenient puppet for the prc. WHO at the start opposed any ban on international flights originating from the prc. The consequence of this was to seed the disease in Europe and SK and beyond.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby chetak » 17 Mar 2020 21:22

the "doctor" involved is a interventional radiologist.


InherentlyCurious @malludoc · Mar 16
Doctor with travel history to Spain, presenting with sore throat was not advised home quarantine by State officials and attended one of the busiest out-patient clinics in Kerala on Mar 10&11! Now SCT is on the verge of shutdown!



Patient-care activities at Sree Chitra Tirunal Institute for Medical Sciences and Technology (SCTIMST) is on the verge of a shutdown after several senior doctors and an unknown number of health-care personnel and patients were exposed to the SARS CoV-2 from a doctor colleague of theirs who had returned from Spain and had been working amongst them.

The said case had been officially declared as positive for COVID-19 by the Health Minister on Sunday evening, without divulging details.

Several senior doctors, including the heads of several core departments, have now gone into forced self-isolation and have been left with no option but to abandon patient care, so that more people are not exposed to the COVID-19 threat. They have written to the Director of the institution to discharge patients waiting for surgery and other treatments and to take in only dire emergencies.

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Postby vimal » 17 Mar 2020 21:50

rgosain wrote:
Vikas wrote:China has already lost the media and optics battle on Wuhan virus. It now more on face saving trajectory.

Pigs will fly the day that happens. Already the media in the west is trying to sugar coat the entire Wuhan virus by saying that "china saved the world". This is in addition to such august publications as the Lancet which has been mainstreaming PRC publications that have to pass the PRC censors. The same lancet that doesn't hesitate to lecture India on non-health matters.
Many publications, journal providers, patent assignees need the subscriptions from the PRC to stay afloat, and since many like Thomson-Reuters are traditional media operators, they will kow tow to the PRC viewpoint.
This event portrays the WHO as a convenient puppet for the prc. WHO at the start opposed any ban on international flights originating from the prc. The consequence of this was to seed the disease in Europe and SK and beyond.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty


Agree 100%. Forget condemning China for it's pathetic handling of the situation, every leftie is busy trying to show China in glowing colours. It seems like the lefties want to protect the commies and the business interests of their masters who make everything in cheen.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby IndraD » 17 Mar 2020 21:57

Britain's dangerous gamble with herd immunity - worth a read
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... on/608065/

Argument behind not implementing containment :shock: :shock:
With the peak of the pandemic still weeks away, the time hadn’t come yet for stricter measures, Johnson and his advisers said. They worried about “behavioral fatigue”—if restrictions come into force too early, people could become increasingly uncooperative and less vigilant, just as the outbreak swings into high gear. (As of yesterday, the U.K. has identified 1,391 cases, although thousands more are likely undetected.) And while suppressing the virus through draconian measures might be successful for months, when they lift, the virus will return, said Sir Patrick Vallance, the U.K.’s chief scientific adviser.

To avoid a second peak in the winter, Vallance said the U.K. would suppress the virus “but not get rid of it completely,” while focusing on protecting vulnerable groups, such as the elderly. In the meantime, other people would get sick. But since the virus causes milder illness in younger age groups, most would recover and subsequently be immune to the virus. This “herd immunity” would reduce transmission in the event of a winter resurgence. On Sky News, Vallance said that “probably about 60 percent” of people would need to be infected to achieve herd immunity.

“My problem with many countries’ strategies is that they haven’t thought beyond the next month,” he says. “The U.K. is different. We’re at the beginning of a long process, and we’re working out the best way to get there with the least public-health impact.” To him, that means not rushing into panicked decisions about, say, banning soccer games or closing schools “in a way that feels good but isn’t necessarily evidence-based.”


PS Herd immunity is achieved using vaccination not lethal bugs!

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

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IndraD wrote:Britain's dangerous gamble with herd immunity - worth a read
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... on/608065/

Argument behind not implementing containment :shock: :shock:
With the peak of the pandemic still weeks away, the time hadn’t come yet for stricter measures, Johnson and his advisers said. They worried about “behavioral fatigue”—if restrictions come into force too early, people could become increasingly uncooperative and less vigilant, just as the outbreak swings into high gear. (As of yesterday, the U.K. has identified 1,391 cases, although thousands more are likely undetected.) And while suppressing the virus through draconian measures might be successful for months, when they lift, the virus will return, said Sir Patrick Vallance, the U.K.’s chief scientific adviser.

To avoid a second peak in the winter, Vallance said the U.K. would suppress the virus “but not get rid of it completely,” while focusing on protecting vulnerable groups, such as the elderly. In the meantime, other people would get sick. But since the virus causes milder illness in younger age groups, most would recover and subsequently be immune to the virus. This “herd immunity” would reduce transmission in the event of a winter resurgence. On Sky News, Vallance said that “probably about 60 percent” of people would need to be infected to achieve herd immunity.

“My problem with many countries’ strategies is that they haven’t thought beyond the next month,” he says. “The U.K. is different. We’re at the beginning of a long process, and we’re working out the best way to get there with the least public-health impact.” To him, that means not rushing into panicked decisions about, say, banning soccer games or closing schools “in a way that feels good but isn’t necessarily evidence-based.”


PS Herd immunity is achieved using vaccination not lethal bugs!


UK has decided it cannot stop or even manage, 80 % pop will be infected, all those frail people will just overwhelm the NHS emergencies, just a disaster unfolding., no one from top to bottom mgt has even a clue on how to deal with this

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby rgosain » 17 Mar 2020 22:07

IndraD wrote:Britain's dangerous gamble with herd immunity - worth a read
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... on/608065/

Argument behind not implementing containment :shock: :shock:
With the peak of the pandemic still weeks away, the time hadn’t come yet for stricter measures, Johnson and his advisers said. They worried about “behavioral fatigue”—if restrictions come into force too early, people could become increasingly uncooperative and less vigilant, just as the outbreak swings into high gear. (As of yesterday, the U.K. has identified 1,391 cases, although thousands more are likely undetected.) And while suppressing the virus through draconian measures might be successful for months, when they lift, the virus will return, said Sir Patrick Vallance, the U.K.’s chief scientific adviser.

To avoid a second peak in the winter, Vallance said the U.K. would suppress the virus “but not get rid of it completely,” while focusing on protecting vulnerable groups, such as the elderly. In the meantime, other people would get sick. But since the virus causes milder illness in younger age groups, most would recover and subsequently be immune to the virus. This “herd immunity” would reduce transmission in the event of a winter resurgence. On Sky News, Vallance said that “probably about 60 percent” of people would need to be infected to achieve herd immunity.

“My problem with many countries’ strategies is that they haven’t thought beyond the next month,” he says. “The U.K. is different. We’re at the beginning of a long process, and we’re working out the best way to get there with the least public-health impact.” To him, that means not rushing into panicked decisions about, say, banning soccer games or closing schools “in a way that feels good but isn’t necessarily evidence-based.”


PS Herd immunity is achieved using vaccination not lethal bugs!


Vallance used to b head of r and at gsk until 2017 and ran some of their vaccine projects whilst he was there. The nature of this virus and its origin has probably compelled the uk to go down this avenue, and the uk are probably lucky to him as cso for this crisis. If you look at the path taken by the us cdc since January, we could be looking at a similiar approach in the usa as we head we up the epi curve - though not advertised as such.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby SandeepA » 17 Mar 2020 22:10

kit wrote:
IndraD wrote:Britain's dangerous gamble with herd immunity - worth a read
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... on/608065/

Argument behind not implementing containment :shock: :shock:


PS Herd immunity is achieved using vaccination not lethal bugs!


UK has decided it cannot stop or even manage, 80 % pop will be infected, all those frail people will just overwhelm the NHS emergencies, just a disaster unfolding., no one from top to bottom mgt has even a clue on how to deal with this


So will Australia, NZ and Canada follow suit?

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby syam » 17 Mar 2020 22:15

Or they might have vaccine already. they can reveal it to the public in october or november. they can claim how their scientists had big breakthrough. nothing explains the carefree attitude both us and uk showing now.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby kit » 17 Mar 2020 22:26

syam wrote:Or they might have vaccine already. they can reveal it to the public in october or november. they can claim how their scientists had big breakthrough. nothing explains the carefree attitude both us and uk showing now.


unsuprisingly it will be china who will come out with a mass produced vaccine, but not until and after the western capital markets are demolished and prime companies devalued.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby kit » 17 Mar 2020 22:27

syam wrote:Or they might have vaccine already. they can reveal it to the public in october or november. they can claim how their scientists had big breakthrough. nothing explains the carefree attitude both us and uk showing now.



no they dont have one

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby kit » 17 Mar 2020 22:28

SandeepA wrote:
kit wrote:
UK has decided it cannot stop or even manage, 80 % pop will be infected, all those frail people will just overwhelm the NHS emergencies, just a disaster unfolding., no one from top to bottom mgt has even a clue on how to deal with this


So will Australia, NZ and Canada follow suit?


God forbid ., UK is hardly an example to follow

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby rgosain » 17 Mar 2020 22:33

kit wrote:
syam wrote:Or they might have vaccine already. they can reveal it to the public in october or november. they can claim how their scientists had big breakthrough. nothing explains the carefree attitude both us and uk showing now.


unsuprisingly it will be china who will come out with a mass produced vaccine, but not until and after the western capital markets are demolished and prime companies devalued.


Such an outcome, especially if accompanied by a huge loss of life should be considered a failure of deterrence..

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby syam » 17 Mar 2020 22:35

kit wrote:unsuprisingly it will be china who will come out with a mass produced vaccine, but not until and after the western capital markets are demolished and prime companies devalued.

yes, they are also prime suspects. most of the recovery cases are from china alone. I checked soko numbers, they still have large number of active cases.china also doesn't have many new cases for some time. :-?

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Mort Walker » 17 Mar 2020 22:45

sudeepj wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
Malaysia has a significant Chinese origin population and there is a lot of commerce between China and Malaysia. They're taking precautions. So far no one in Malaysia has died out of the 570 plus cases there. I would suspect many of these cases are due to travel from China.


Why speculate when reading the article would clear all doubts? Most cases are from a single super spreading event centered around a Tablighi event in a mosque attended by over 15,000 people. This proves that Coronavirus can spread in Hot/Humid environments and there is no drop in how contagious it is even under such conditions.


The Diplomat is not a reasonable news source for this information.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby sudeepj » 17 Mar 2020 22:49

Mort Walker wrote:
sudeepj wrote:
Why speculate when reading the article would clear all doubts? Most cases are from a single super spreading event centered around a Tablighi event in a mosque attended by over 15,000 people. This proves that Coronavirus can spread in Hot/Humid environments and there is no drop in how contagious it is even under such conditions.


The Diplomat is not a reasonable news source for this information.


This has already been reported in a bunch of places. Instead of spreading disinformation, if you had cared to google, you would find many more sources. Pick the source that is more convincing for you. btw. Malaysia, the entire country, is now in Lockdown. The Malaysian PM/Prez are not putting any faith in your heat theory.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 17 Mar 2020 23:20

syam wrote:Or they might have vaccine already. they can reveal it to the public in october or november. they can claim how their scientists had big breakthrough. nothing explains the carefree attitude both us and uk showing now.

US and UK are fundamentally different in one way - the former is a federal system where actual operations need to be driven at state or even city level. UK is a unitary system where London drives everything. On paper, this means UK should easily be able to push a coordinated national response in a manner the US cannot accomplish, but US areas of particular risk - e.g. SF Bay Area - are acting decisively (whether or not too late, we'll know later) in a manner UK is not doing at all.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby SwamyG » 17 Mar 2020 23:21

Dileep wrote:For a brief relief onlee

There is a Rajini joke on it already. I think for a change Chuck Norris joke was copied and customized for Western audience (ducks for cover, as I do not know the truth)

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Gerard » 17 Mar 2020 23:26

There are references to two Tabligi events where Malaysians were allegedly exposed. The first was about a month ago in Lahore, Pakistan and the second in Kuala Lumpur.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby SwamyG » 17 Mar 2020 23:27

Based on the current models, when is the peak in USA?

Is India behind in getting to the peak as well? Though it would have been hit earlier than Europe, right?

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 17 Mar 2020 23:33

SwamyG wrote:Based on the current models, when is the peak in USA?

Is India behind in getting to the peak as well? Though it would have been hit earlier than Europe, right?

There's no 'US peak' . It is driven by localized transmission rates. WA happened early on, and the bay area is on curfew to flatten a peak estimated in the next 2-3 weeks. Observability trails actual transmission rate, so they'll only know in hindsight how effective the curfew/quarantine measures were.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby sooraj » 17 Mar 2020 23:53

Italy reports 3,526 new cases and 345 new deaths, raising total to 31,506 cases and 2,503 dead.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby yensoy » 17 Mar 2020 23:54

It is a Flu virus. It spreads during the cold season, that much should be obvious from the pattern of Flu across the world.

Spread should be retarded during the hotter months/seasons.

Why Singapore and Dubai? I believe it is because of heavy use of airconditioning, and recirculating air which makes things even worse. That's what happened in the taxi with the Italians in India, and with the passengers "quarantined" (stranded) on the cruise ship.

This is not to say that it can't spread in India, but I think we have some inherent defences. If I had to take a train today, I would avoid airconditioned classes.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby yensoy » 17 Mar 2020 23:55

BTW, China is on a denial binge that the Wuhan virus originated in China.

It should be made clear that the Wuhan Virus is as Chinese as the Great Panda. They can't make claims to one (and profiting handsomely from it) without taking the blame for the other.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Sanju » 18 Mar 2020 00:05

SandeepA wrote:
kit wrote:
UK has decided it cannot stop or even manage, 80 % pop will be infected, all those frail people will just overwhelm the NHS emergencies, just a disaster unfolding., no one from top to bottom mgt has even a clue on how to deal with this


So will Australia, NZ and Canada follow suit?


During the SARS crisis, outside Asia, Canada had the largest casualties. There have been contingencies put in place. Ontario, its most populous Province has declared Emergency. From what I see, Canada is doing what it should. Stopped entry of foreigners (with certain exceptions, viz., Diplomats and such).

Canada is definitely not following the UK in this matter.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 18 Mar 2020 00:06

WaPo has a great visual simulator of virus transmission:
Corona simulator

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Sanju » 18 Mar 2020 00:08

yensoy wrote:BTW, China is on a denial binge that the Wuhan virus originated in China.

It should be made clear that the Wuhan Virus is as Chinese as the Great Panda. They can't make claims to one (and profiting handsomely from it) without taking the blame for the other.


Imagine if this virus from Pala or Burdwan or Hoshiarpur.. that is what it would have been called or with the name of the country. This is a Chinese Virus and we should call it as such. I agree with the President of the US.

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Postby sudeepj » 18 Mar 2020 00:21

yensoy wrote:It is a Flu virus. It spreads during the cold season, that much should be obvious from the pattern of Flu across the world.

Spread should be retarded during the hotter months/seasons.

Why Singapore and Dubai? I believe it is because of heavy use of airconditioning, and recirculating air which makes things even worse. That's what happened in the taxi with the Italians in India, and with the passengers "quarantined" (stranded) on the cruise ship.

This is not to say that it can't spread in India, but I think we have some inherent defences. If I had to take a train today, I would avoid airconditioned classes.


Check out the pictures of the Tableeghi mosque in Malaysia where the 'super spreading' event took place. A few hundred people were infected in just one event. The name of the mosque is Sri Petaling Tabligh mosque. The mosque does not look air-conditioned to me. Fresh air from outside is always a good idea and appears to be just common sense, but lets not get into a false sense of complacence that 'this cant spread in the heat and the humidity'.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2020 ... 19-hotspot

KUALA LUMPUR: Worshippers slept in packed tents outside the golden-domed mosque, waking before dawn to kneel on rows of prayer mats laid out in its cavernous central hall. All the while, the Covid-19 coronavirus was passing unnoticed among the guests.

Covid-19

The Muslim gathering held at the end of last month at the sprawling Sri Petaling mosque complex here has emerged as a source of hundreds of new coronavirus infections spanning Southeast Asia.

A 34-year-old Malaysian man who attended the event died on Tuesday, Health Minister Datuk Seri Dr Adham Baba said, the first death linked to the Feb 27-March 1 event.

It was attended by 16,000 people, including 1,500 foreigners.

Out of Malaysia’s 673 confirmed coronavirus cases, nearly two-thirds are linked to the four-day meeting, Dr Adham said. It is not clear who brought the virus there in the first place.

Reuters spoke to six attendees and reviewed pictures and posts on social media, and the accounts and evidence showed several ways in which the outbreak could have spread.

The hosts, the Islamic missionary movement Tablighi Jama’at, which traces its roots back to India a century ago, on Monday suspended missionary activities but did not comment directly on the Malaysian event.

Tablighi Jama’at did not respond to a request for further comment. The mosque where the event was held was closed on Tuesday and a guest said he was one of dozens of worshippers still there under quarantine. Calls to the mosque went unanswered.

Malaysia will shut its borders, restrict internal movement and close schools, universities and most businesses, as it seeks to control its coronavirus outbreak. All mosques will be closed for two weeks.

“I was very surprised actually that it went ahead,” said Surachet Wae-asae, a former Thai lawmaker who attended the event but has since tested negative for the coronavirus after returning home.

“But in Malaysia God is very important. The belief is strong.”

The prime minister’s office and the health ministry declined to comment further about the event.

HOLDING HANDS, SHARING PLATES

The packed gathering, where guests had to take shuttle buses to sleep at other venues, was attended by nationals from dozens of countries, including Canada, Nigeria, India and Australia, according to an attendee list posted on social media.

There were also citizens of China and South Korea - two countries with high rates of coronavirus infections.

Social media posts show hundreds of worshippers praying shoulder-to-shoulder inside the mosque, while some guests posted selfies as they shared food.

It was not clear how many guests were residents of Malaysia, but cases linked to the gathering are popping up daily across Southeast Asia.

“We sat close to each other,” a 30-year-old Cambodian man who attended the event told Reuters from a hospital in Cambodia’s Battambang province, where he was being treated after testing positive for the coronavirus on Monday.

“Holding hands at the religious ceremony was done with people of many countries. When I met people, I held hands, it was normal. I don’t know who I was infected by,” he said, asking not to be named due to fears of discrimination at his mosque.

None of the event leaders talked about washing hands, the coronavirus or health precautions during the event, but most guests washed their hands regularly, two guests said. Washing hands among other parts of the body is part of Muslim worship.

Another attendee from Cambodia said guests from different countries shared plates when meals were served.

Only half of the Malaysian participants who attended have come forward for testing, the health minister has said, raising fears that the outbreak from the mosque could be more far-reaching.

Brunei has confirmed 50 cases linked to the mosque gathering, out of a total of 56 cases. Singapore has announced five linked to the event, Cambodia 13 and Thailand at least two.

Vietnam, the Philippines and Indonesia, which had nearly 700 of its citizens attend, are all investigating.

That a large religious pilgrimage should have gone ahead, at a time when the epidemic had killed 2,700 people and was spreading from Italy to Iran, has drawn criticism.

More than 182,000 people have now been infected by the coronavirus globally and 7,165 have died.

‘IRRESPONSIBLE’

“That Tablighi event in KL (Kuala Lumpur) ... could also cause a regional spike and it was irresponsible for the authorities to have allowed it to be held,” Singapore diplomat Bilahari Kausikan said on his Facebook page.

It is not the only religious event to spread the virus on a mass scale. Thousands of cases in South Korea are linked to services of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus in the city of Daegu.

At the time of the event in Malaysia, the country was in political turmoil. The country had a one-man government in the 94-year-old interim prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, who had quit and was temporarily re-appointed the same day.

Prime Tan Sri Minister Muhyiddin Yassin was sworn in as the new premier on March 1 and banned mass gatherings on March 13. Prior to that, there was only advice from the health ministry to minimise public exposure.

Some attendees defended the event, saying that at the time the situation in Malaysia - which had announced 25 known cases by Feb 28 - was not severe.

“We were not worried then as the Covid-19 situation at the time appeared under control,” said Khuzaifah Kamazlan, a 34-year-old religious teacher based in Kuala Lumpur who attended the event but has tested negative for the coronavirus.

Khuzaifah said some of the worshippers who attended the event have since refused to be tested for coronavirus, preferring to rely on God to protect them.

Karim, a 44-year-old Malaysian who attended the gathering and later tested positive for coronavirus, says the government should have cancelled the event.

“We are a bit disappointed that this outbreak has been blamed entirely on us. That view is unfair. There was no ban on our gathering,” said Karim, who gave only his first name.

“Now I am concerned because I am positive. Please pray for me.” - REUTERS

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby krithivas » 18 Mar 2020 00:44

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/1239960177618518017?s=20

Request to Admins - Can you please rename thread to "Wuhan China Coronavirus Resource Thread"? Thank you

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Postby Bart S » 18 Mar 2020 00:54

krithivas wrote:https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/1239960177618518017?s=20

Request to Admins - Can you please rename thread to "Wuhan China Coronavirus Resource Thread"? Thank you


Trump only started calling it specifically as the Chinese Virus after the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman floated an outrageous conspiracy theory that the US military was the source of the virus.

Incidentally, this same guy's previous posting was in the Chinese embassy in Slumbad. Looks like he picked up a lot of expertise in bullshit and bluster, apart from tactical brilliance, from the Pakis during his term in Pakiland. :)

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Postby chola » 18 Mar 2020 00:56

Now Trump's gone and done it! He p1ssed off the Panda big time!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/china-expels-more-us-journalists-amid-tit-for-tat-battle.html

China expels journalists from New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post
PUBLISHED TUE, MAR 17 20202:15 PM EDT

China said Tuesday it will expel American journalists working in the country for The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post whose press credentials are due to expire in 2020.

The country’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement that U.S. reporters for those publications must return their press cards within 10 days.

“They will not be allowed to continue working as journalists in the People’s Republic of China, including its Hong Kong and Macao Special Administrative Regions,” the statement said.

China also demanded that Voice of America, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post and Time provide information about their operations in the country, including staffing and finance information.

It was not immediately clear how many American journalists would be affected, and spokespeople for each of the news outlets and Voice of America, an international broadcaster funded by Congress, did not provide figures in response to inquiries.

But the newsroom leaders criticized China’s move, which comes in the midst of a global public health crisis over COVID-19, the disease caused by coronavirus.

Washington Post Executive Editor Marty Baron said in a statement that it was “particularly regrettable” during the COVID-19 pandemic, when reliable information about the international response is essential. “Severely limiting the flow of that information, which China now seeks to do, only aggravates the situation,” Baron said.


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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Jay » 18 Mar 2020 01:11

As much as I hate the '/r/India' sub reddit on Reddit because of there retarded, conspiratory level anti-India spin about everything India/Hindu, below link is for the AMA from one of the Doctors who is directly involved in India.

https://old.reddit.com/r/india/comments/fk649f/hi_im_dr_roshan_radhakrishnan_a_doctor_and_an/

ADMINS: I might be helpful to track China Coronavirus in India separately from this thread.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 18 Mar 2020 01:58

Jay wrote:As much as I hate the '/r/India' sub reddit on Reddit because of there retarded, conspiratory level anti-India spin about everything India/Hindu, below link is for the AMA from one of the Doctors who is directly involved in India.

https://old.reddit.com/r/india/comments/fk649f/hi_im_dr_roshan_radhakrishnan_a_doctor_and_an/

ADMINS: I might be helpful to track China Coronavirus in India separately from this thread.

No, that's what THIS thread is for. We're not going to start another thread because posters want to make a mess of this one and have no self discipline. It's not our job to clean up after posters' lack of consideration in the middle of a worldwide crisis, making assorted CT nonsense posts and then being glibly dismissive of cautions offered with a soft touch.

Remember, it is a crisis that demonstrates the maturity, character and culture of a people. Please remember that before you post.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby SwamyG » 18 Mar 2020 02:37

Suraj wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Based on the current models, when is the peak in USA?

Is India behind in getting to the peak as well? Though it would have been hit earlier than Europe, right?

There's no 'US peak' . It is driven by localized transmission rates. WA happened early on, and the bay area is on curfew to flatten a peak estimated in the next 2-3 weeks. Observability trails actual transmission rate, so they'll only know in hindsight how effective the curfew/quarantine measures were.

So the peak is estimated to be in 2-3 weeks, then.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby suryag » 18 Mar 2020 02:39

WE should have done the same thing when some moron named a resistant bacteria NDM1 where ND stands for New Delhi


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