J&K Union Territory-2019

Rishirishi · Post by **Rishirishi** » 04 May 2020 04:22

Top leadership of the country is squarely responsible for the stupid restrictions leading to unnecessary deaths of security personnel. Everybody wants to be a Mahatma in this country, sacrificing others' lives.

Fighting insurgency is hard, and will cause loss of life. In the past, the civilaion state government was playing a double role. That is not the case any more. Only longterm solution is to change the demography to reflect the nations population.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 04 May 2020 15:21

Long term solution is to disintegrate Pakistan and annex GB and PoK to India as separate union territories after driving out Pashtuns and Pakjabis made to settle there.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 04 May 2020 15:25

India protests with Islamabad that Pakistan supreme court does not have jurisdiction over G&B and asks Pakistan to immediately vacate its illegal occupation. I feel this would be the theme of India's approach toward Pukis in international forum. In addition to asking them to stop terrorism, we are going to put pressure on them to vacate their illegal occupation.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 528532.cms

x-post with Terroristan thread.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 04 May 2020 19:28

Hearing disturbing news that CRPF has come under attack once again in Handwara. I sincerely hope there are no losses but its high time we do something about the lack of intelligence and a new strategy to deal with these cretins. Handwara is the size of a small taluk , it shouldn't be impossible to completely seal it off on all sides and smoke them out.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2020 19:51

I like Ram Madhav, soft spoken guy. But he should stick to social. cultural, and political alliance-stitching back-room wheeling and dealing that he is good at. But he should keep his mouth shut on matters he has no clue about. Take his statement on TSP:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 519345.cms

NEW DELHI: The post-Covid-19 world order will be "markedly different" and it will be in Pakistan's own interest to change its actions like supporting terrorism, BJP general secretary Ram Madhav said on Sunday, asserting that India knows how to handle such countries.

Does TSP need Ram Madhav's advice on what is good for their country? They are not stupid. The reason they persist with their pigLeT strategy despite the costs involved to them is because it pays them net dividends. Without pigLeT terror of the kind we saw yesterday in Handwara, do you think anybody in India or for that matter in the world will pay attention to TSP? Only if India can extract a stiff military/economic price from TSP, will they change course. Till then, best leave it to our military to deal with TSP as best as they see fit.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 04 May 2020 19:54

Ambar wrote:Hearing disturbing news that CRPF has come under attack once again in Handwara. I sincerely hope there are no losses but its high time we do something about the lack of intelligence and a new strategy to deal with these cretins. Handwara is the size of a small taluk , it shouldn't be impossible to completely seal it off on all sides and smoke them out.

Unfortunately, 3 CRPF Jawans were martyred in the attack today. A fourth one is hit and has been rushed to the hospital.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 04 May 2020 19:57

5 CRPF jawans martyred and 7 critical. Looks like its time to prepare for a war.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 04 May 2020 20:02

Can we not flatten the effing place now? Shoot at sight for everything that moves?
Om Shanti to those who made the supreme sacrifice today.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2020 20:09

Yes, looks like some more of our good guys martyred. This is getting serious

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 0eN3M.html

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 04 May 2020 21:00

Looks like some hard core terrorists have sneaked in. Only 2 got eliminated and the remaining are attacking relatively soft targets.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 04 May 2020 21:01

We shouldnt shy away from another Balakot. But use Brahmos this time.

Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 04 May 2020 21:42

Time to liberate Gilbit Baltistan..

Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 04 May 2020 21:44

CRamS wrote:
Rishi_Tri wrote: There shall always be traitors. Question is what we should do: If I were PM of India - I shall ask any firm that wants to do business in India, to chose between India and Pakistan.,, NaPakistan shall be at its knees in weeks... Otherwise we just aren't serious.
Is there a systematic analysis of this? In other words, are there firms that do business both in India and TSP? If so whats the volume of business in India? Can India live without that if the said firm says OK, we will pull out?

Also, the other angle is on the diplomatic front. Again, not sure or how feasible, but take a tough stance on white countries and Japan aiding TSP. Take tough stance on FATF. Its not enough for TSP to arrest a few Qeeda vermin, addressing terror against India is equally important.

I know its easy to pontificate, but India must have some leverage to use, or else its like Pakis begging for kirket with India and then when India declines, they declare victory by proclaiming "we can live without playing India" .

Almost every foreign MNC that does business in India has some business in NaPakistan. Colgate Palmolive, GSK, Toyota, Suzuki, Siemens,etc. Its time for full and frontal.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2020 21:48

When TSP ups the ante like this, as Sajjad Lone once said, there is nothing that happens in the valley without some hidden dynamic. It could be that TSP was losing ground, it could be to raise morale of cadres, any #s of things, we don't know.

I was just scanning headlines, I a shot out the HT website I just loaded with the contempt it deserves. There was a headline mention our soldiers dead with no mention of TSP's perfidy. Then 2 headlines on what Javed Miandad said and what some other f!king Paki said. Bloody disgusting.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 04 May 2020 22:43

Rishi_Tri wrote:Almost every foreign MNC that does business in India has some business in NaPakistan. Colgate Palmolive, GSK, Toyota, Suzuki, Siemens,etc. Its time for full and frontal.

There is no way we can confront everyone at the same time, and it will be unwise to do so. OTOH, if it can be proven that a certain item from a particular company was an important tool utilized in the committing of a terrorist act, then we have probably cause to go after the company - at a minimum pull them or their product line out of TSP. Such products could be related to weapons, clothing, endurance nutrition, messaging/IT, logistics/mapping, transport and the like. The better quality of evidence have will further strengthen our hand for punitive action. But there is a limit to how far we can push this.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 05 May 2020 01:33

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr
looks like multiple incursions took place in winter and fall out is visible now. Sameer during interrogation said he dropped off many terrorists into India and they are carrying steel core bullets

wig · Post by **wig** » 05 May 2020 10:53

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/370-the- ... erailment/

370 – The Dynamics of Derailment
this is an illuminating write up on art 370 history and other aspects. worth reading the complete article
extracts

Those who negotiated article 370 with Sardar Patel over long summer months of 1949 (yes, it was Sardar Patel, not Jawahar Lal Nehru, who formulated, discussed and finally approved the inclusion of article 370 in the Constitution of India), as a concession from the Indian nation for the cultural preservation of JK, touted it as an instrument of identity and later secessionism, presenting it to be ‘a step away’ from India. The polity that kept demanding more powers under the plea of autonomy, denied the constituents of JK much lee way in powers; the people who sang paeans to self rule opposed the promulgation of Panchayat Law to foster local self Government within the state. Again, no party had any qualms joining Congress and BJP, alike, for reaping the profits of power, but ganged up together against the Supreme Court examining the patent gender bias which the article 35A promulgated in the state by protecting the archaic State Subject a.k.a. Permanent Resident Law. It is not without significance that this duplicity remained confined to the valley of Kashmir. The rest were spared this duplicity as no political profit could come there. Indeed, there the politicos disavowed this double speak, while they made Kashmir into an votary of the exclusivism by presenting the concession of care as a cudgel with which to bash everyone beyond its confine.
Amendment of 370 involves critical constitutional issues, for the future polity of India, including JK, of which the highest court of the land is duly seized. But the play on the ground is not on these serious issues. It is moved by the old duplicitous concerns. This duplicity sees the amendment of the article 370, mainly as a blow to the SS/PR Law because of the confinement carries the promise of the same delusionary dividends as did the article itself. The PR law has a context and concern. This history runs in tandem to the present-day concerns being raised for and against it. These voices are again distracting the masses from the reality. Very concerned looking people, appear to be tormented by the discomfiting straits into which the changed position has put the Kashmiri Pandits. That concern is true, and needs by corrected. However, the bleeding voices betray not a concern but a cunningness to use the plight of kps for ulterior ends. For, these now-bleeding voices weren’t much aggrieved by the actual extirpation of the aboriginal Pandit community of Kashmir, decades back. For the last thirty years and more, the article 370 and the prerogatives granted by it, were with this very class of people, yet they did little to ameliorate it. They never worked to turn the homilies of ‘return with honour and dignity’ into workable plans of ‘return and retention’ of the Kashmiri Pandit aborigines to their land and home.

perfidy of the ruling class in Kashmir: Abdullah, mufti and others

This apathy was not confined to the Kashmiri Pandit community. For the seven decades of its rule, the Kashmiri Muslims dominating the polity denied the 50,000 odd 1947 refugees from Pakistan any rights in Jammu and Kashmir. They once brought a bill to grant citizenship in absentia to states people living in Pakistan, but the refugees sitting right in their sights remained persona non grata. No cares were shown there, no hearts bled for them. Ever. Instead, the ‘state subjects’ from PoK, which was included in the Kashmir province under Maharaja’s state, were slyly pushed out of the valley. Having been allied more with Kashmir, all through, than with Jammu part, they naturally went to settle down in that part of the state, but were forced to move to Jammu. At the same time, a stream of Kashmiri Pandits was similarly constrained to move to Jammu and other parts of the country. Forty years later the rest of the non-Muslims got ejected out to join the earlier ‘state subjects’, now as refugees.

muslims in kashmir as elsewhere are communal

Shaikh Abdullah won the mandate of 1977 over ‘fazi hund izzat/ tre hath tu’ satath’ (370 is dignity of Muslim women i.e. protects their rights). No Muslim intellect pointed out – none has done so till now – that the dispensation under article 370 actually deprived Fazi (and all other women of JK) of their very State Subject making it contingent on that of their spouses. But that is not the only omission there. As it is, few intellectuals care to ask how Kashmiri Muslims came to oppose the State Subject law in 1920’s and have fought for its retention after independence. That brings in another duplicity. In 1924, Lord Reading, the then viceroy, visited JK. A reception was held for him in Srinagar by Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah, Ghulam Muhammad Ashai, Sadrudiin Shawl and other prominent Muslims. Mirwaiz read out the charter of Muslim demands, with good focus on the jobs. Recognizing that there were few Muslims adequately qualified for Government jobs, item 8 of the charter demanded that Muslims from Punjab be called in to fill their quota of jobs in the state.
The demand was clearly communal, seeing people as Hindus and Muslims, not equal citizens in the state. It did not ken the demography, nor care for preservation of the culture and ethnicity, which became shrill credos after independence. They pitched for Muslims – give it to Muslims of Punjab.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 05 May 2020 19:17

AP Press journalists based in Kashmir secretly film JK under lockdown last year, sell out typical prototype stance of anti India, win Pulitzer https://apnews.com/366a717b2c1b9a677fcb ... ce=Twitter

nam · Post by **nam** » 05 May 2020 19:27

Let them win the useless price. No one cares.

We should not react and ignore it. The objective is to bait us. If asked for comment, say congratulations, we stand for press freedom yada yada and the pictures show how terrorism has made life hard in j&k.

The world is in the middle of a pandemic with 2 second attention span for anything else.

One of the Iranian hr activist was given some award. The Iranian ambassador was happily present in the function. Once all the ho ha died down, the activist was send to jailed.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 05 May 2020 19:30

Jamia Millia Islamia law student Mahoor Parvez calls Handwara martyrs ‘war criminals’, her supporters refer to killing of Pakistani terrorists ‘human rights violation’ https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/jamia-m ... s-support/

this right in Delhi!

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 05 May 2020 21:20

The Handwara encounter needs some introspection :

Journos like following were doing live commentary ,see his twitter updates and compare it with encounter timeline :

https://twitter.com/Junaidbhatphoto?ref ... 2122597376

This was clearly an ambush, the house owners claim no one at the home and they were taking refuge in neighbors house during the encounter:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/j-k/f ... nies-80584

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 05 May 2020 21:48

Other than area wise mobile network cut off by telcos,
We should consider vehicle mounted (say Tata 407 type chassis) mobile jammer with an affective range of say 3-5 kms.
This should move along the first responders team and hold on till encounter goes on.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 May 2020 02:14

krishna_krishna wrote:
This was clearly an ambush, the house owners claim no one at the home and they were taking refuge in neighbors house during the encounter:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/j-k/f ... nies-80584

If this is true, then looks like it was a combined ISI and local KM operation. Some playing a double game, probably gave a 'tip' to our guys that Paki pigLeTs are in that house, and of course rest is history.

I am on a news blackout really depressed and angry. First we lose so many of our guys to Pakis. Then US media rubs our nose to the dust by awarding Pulitzer assed award to a bunch of "Indian" ass holes eulogizing the raising of Paki flags in the valley and claiming India usurped the territory, and if that was not enough, Pappu praising those awardees, and we have useless garbage debates on our TV screens with Pappu's slaves arguing its his 'freedom of speech'. Shame on us.

So here is India bearing all the pain (could anyone watch the funeral coverage of Col. Sharma?), while the aggressor Pakis and their separatist KMs are laughing claiming themselves to be the 'victims' because they were denied 4G Internet. Ackkk Thooo

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 06 May 2020 02:53

All we need is a Balakot 10 times over! That should keep the Porkistani crowd busy for a while!

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 06 May 2020 03:19

nam wrote:Let them win the useless price. No one cares.

The police will of course take note and now round them up as a matter of course whenever people are being detained. A lifetime get thrown into jail preventative detention award.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 06 May 2020 03:41

Leonard · Post by **Leonard** » 06 May 2020 05:58

Sunday -- Greek Mirage2000 chasing a Turkish F16 Enjoy .. Spread the cheer .. Now Imagine the PAF ...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1257626336522317827

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 06 May 2020 12:26

krishna_krishna wrote:The Handwara encounter needs some introspection :

Journos like following were doing live commentary ,see his twitter updates and compare it with encounter timeline :

https://twitter.com/Junaidbhatphoto?ref ... 2122597376

This was clearly an ambush, the house owners claim no one at the home and they were taking refuge in neighbors house during the encounter:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/j-k/f ... nies-80584

Noob question

What is the legal position against civilians colluding with the enemy (lying, creating diversion) leading to loss of the nation's resources (personnel, material)?

Lekhraj · Post by **Lekhraj** » 06 May 2020 14:50

This is really noob.

There are no rights for traitors who collude with enemy.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 06 May 2020 15:25

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... GqD4H.html
Riyaz Naikoo, Kashmir’s most wanted terrorist, carries Rs 12 lakh reward
Security forces had launched the operation to nab Hizbul Mujahideen terrorist Riyaz Naikoo on Tuesday night on a specific input Beigpora Gulzapora in Awantipora. INDIA Updated: May 06, 2020
The gunfight in Jammu and Kashmir’s Pulwama district has brought the spotlight back on Riyaz Ahmed Naikoo, the most wanted terrorist in the valley. Security forces had launched the operation to nab Hizbul Mujahideen terrorist Riyaz Naikoo on Tuesday night on a specific input Beigpora Gulzapora in Awantipora.
“Contact established in the third operation at #Beighpors #Awantipur. Top terrorist commander is trapped. Exchange of fire on. Details shall follow,” J&K police tweeted. Riyaz Naikoo took over as the chief of Hizbul Mujahideen after the outfit’s poster boy Burhan Wani was killed in a gunfight with the security forces in Kokarnag area in Anantnag district on July 8, 2016. A post-graduate, he carries a reward of Rs 12 lakh on his head.
A resident of Naikoo Mohalla in Durbug of Awantipora, Riyaz Naikoo has been listed as a category “A++” militant, which is given to the most-wanted terrorist in the Valley. He took over as chief of the Hizbul Mujahideen in the Valley after the killing of his associate Sabzar Bhat in May 2017.
“Naikoo is now considered to be the overall commander of Hizbul Mujahideen (HM) for the entire Valley. In the last one year, the security forces cornered him many times but each time he has managed to escape,” a central security force official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, had said while speaking to HT.
Naikoo, the officer had said, has assiduously cultivated an image of a moderate militant.
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https://news.rediff.com/commentary/2020 ... 556717a9c1
Hizb Mujahideen chief killed in encounter in J-K
May 06, 2020 14:32
Hizbul Mujahideen chief Riyaz Naikoo killed in encounter in South Kashmir, say officials. He was on the run for eight years, and on Wednesday was trapped by security forces in a village in Kashmir's Pulwama district, prompting authorities to suspend mobile internet services across the Valley, police said.
In a simultaneous gunbattle in another village in the district, two unidentified militants were killed, officials said. Anticipating a law and order problem, mobile internet services were suspended and strict restrictions imposed on the movement of people.
......
Gautam

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 May 2020 15:26

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 572877.cms

Some Riyaz Naikoo killed, now to hopefully get a few Hino trucks in POk full of troops to be shaheed.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 06 May 2020 16:31

Lekhraj wrote:This is really noob.

There are no rights for traitors who collude with enemy.

Very simplistic reply. Traitors have to be identified by official agencies, then convicted and finally punished, by law (Civil?Military?). What is the process in a case like this? What about earlier precedents?

Would be obliged for a more detailed answer.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 06 May 2020 18:02

Aditya_V wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 572877.cms

Some Riyaz Naikoo killed, now to hopefully get a few Hino trucks in POk full of troops to be shaheed.

SOP's are being tweeked and implemented with lessons learnt from earlier encounters with the terrorists.

Anticipating a law and order problem, authorities suspended mobile telephone services of private operators and mobile internet services across the valley.

Giving details of the operation, officials said security forces zeroed in on Naikoo's hideout on Tuesday. But instead of initiating an immediate operation, the security forces fortified their cordon around the area and plugged all escape routes so he could not escape as he had done thrice earlier.

CRPF and police forces laid an outer cordon to keep the public away from the encounter site.

srin · Post by **srin** » 06 May 2020 18:27

I don't know why we advertize the name of dead pigs. Pigs are pigs. Our press release should be just that one pig got killed, and we're not going to bother identifying him with 100% certainty. And since we don't "know" (officially 100%) who he is, no relatives to call, no big funerals - he's just buried somewhere. He *could* be the Hizbul chief, but who knows ?

Don't make heroes of the pigs by naming them. Keep the kills anonymous and a statistic.

Lekhraj · Post by **Lekhraj** » 06 May 2020 18:52

Manish_P wrote:
Lekhraj wrote:This is really noob.

There are no rights for traitors who collude with enemy.
Very simplistic reply. Traitors have to be identified by official agencies, then convicted and finally punished, by law (Civil?Military?). What is the process in a case like this? What about earlier precedents?

Would be obliged for a more detailed answer.

My view is that there is no detailed answers. Traitors are summarily executed. Getting into formalities is mediocrity. 600 yr Mughal rule never showed mediocrity. That's how they were able to rule Bharatvarsh.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 May 2020 19:07

Outrageous! Scenes on Times Now of hundreds of terrorist stone pelters rioting destroying paras' vehicles,etc.The basr* rd pro- Paki scum MUST be fired upon by our forces, as this is simply jnacceptable.Rioters must be shot! Att leadt rubber bullets,etc. first. No bloody mercy for these Kasmiri quislings ,sorry " Hurriyats", attempting to destroy an Indian state, Riotets must be deported from the state if they break the law.Incarcerate tehm as I said in equivs. to Camp Gitmo or let them fry in thf desert.

Please watch Times Now right noow.These clips will be seen worldride showing the Indian govt. as weak and impotent!

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 06 May 2020 19:42

The only solution is to take back POK and push these stone pelters into the remaining Pakistani Punjab! Help Balochistan attain its freedom and help Mohajirs fight the Pakjabi atrocities. Sitting on our buts lets the enemy lead the message. Need to spread Puki attention in different areas. Navy needs to start poking around, AF needs to conduct airspace violations. Poke a thousand needles into Puki a$$. Make them earn their keep.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 06 May 2020 20:43

Lekhraj wrote:
Manish_P wrote:
Very simplistic reply. Traitors have to be identified by official agencies, then convicted and finally punished, by law (Civil?Military?). What is the process in a case like this? What about earlier precedents?

Would be obliged for a more detailed answer.
My view is that there is no detailed answers. Traitors are summarily executed. Getting into formalities is mediocrity. 600 yr Mughal rule never showed mediocrity. That's how they were able to rule Bharatvarsh.

I understand. IMHO need to move to enforce the writ of the law, everywhere and uniformly. Else by prolonging the special treatment we are merely reinforcing the sense of entitlement. Riots can happen in Delhi and they can happen in UP. But in recent times, with the authorities in UP becoming more aggressive, backed by the law, there is at least some element of deterrence. A start has to be made in J&K, if not already done so.

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 06 May 2020 23:20

Twitter

Omar Abdullah @OmarAbdullah· 6h

#RiyazNaikoo’s destiny was decided the moment he picked up the gun & adopted the path of violence & terror. His death must not be used as an excuse by some to put more people in harms way by provoking violence & protests.

Few months of sarkari mehmaan nawaji at own house + removal of article 370
seems to given OA some small amount of wisdom other than overgrown Beards.

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 06 May 2020 23:48

Any takers for this 'No Name No Bodies' supposed stance by the IA in light of the recent COIN ops in the valley? Seems there is some divergence with the local administration/MHA policy.