2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 May 2020 02:31

Rajeev Chandrasekhar@rajeev_mp·15h

This perception is unfortntely growing - that Hindus hv a disproportionately higher weight of responsibility to Constitutional and political correctness compared to other communities.

We will hv to address this for true trust n equity amongst all for a strong #India.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 May 2020 02:39

Sachin wrote: I am now pretty much sure that Republic TV would be thrown under the bus by the I&B ministry. Or rather they may work out a plan to quickly scuttle the channel. I have got a response on an RTI filed for knowing what happened on Media One channel in Kerala and its ban for 2 days. The response and the reality; clearly shows the capabilites of the ministry.

I don't think so. With Dorkie's popularity, he is a huge asset to not only govt, but India in general.

That said, I have several other observations:

1. Rajeev Chandrashekar BJP MP (and co-owner of republic?) might ask Dorkie to go a bit less hyper on Queen madam and Pappu and opposition in general. Its OK to be pro govt, but definitely not like a Fox newsish mouthpiece for Trump. For e.g., a dumbo chutiya like Shawn Hannity

2. He should also stop inviting Paki guests and hyperventilating in front of them. They are not going to tremble in their undies just because dorkie shouts at them. It demeans India

3. Long term, he could change format of his shows by allowing guests to speak, lowering the fakers of obnoxious morons whom he invites, and he himself should shout a little less. (interestingly, unlike Rahul Shivshankar on TimesNow, Dorkie never cuts off people, he just out shouts them

). Otherwise, as much as his style gained him the popularity, it could also plummet for the same reason.

4. This is a problem on all of DDM, but he could hire some good reporters who can research a topic at length and conduct well thought out scholarly interviews and shows. Of course, this is asking for too much given the journalism doesn't pay that much and so tough to get the cream of graduating youth.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 12 May 2020 03:20

CRamS wrote:
Sachin wrote: I am now pretty much sure that Republic TV would be thrown under the bus by the I&B ministry. Or rather they may work out a plan to quickly scuttle the channel. I have got a response on an RTI filed for knowing what happened on Media One channel in Kerala and its ban for 2 days. The response and the reality; clearly shows the capabilites of the ministry.
I don't think so. With Dorkie's popularity, he is a huge asset to not only govt, but India in general.

That said, I have several other observations:

1. Rajeev Chandrashekar BJP MP (and co-owner of republic?) might ask Dorkie to go a bit less hyper on Queen madam and Pappu and opposition in general. Its OK to be pro govt, but definitely not like a Fox newsish mouthpiece for Trump. For e.g., a dumbo chutiya like Shawn Hannity

2. He should also stop inviting Paki guests and hyperventilating in front of them. They are not going to tremble in their undies just because dorkie shouts at them. It demeans India

3. Long term, he could change format of his shows by allowing guests to speak, lowering the fakers of obnoxious morons whom he invites, and he himself should shout a little less. (interestingly, unlike Rahul Shivshankar on TimesNow, Dorkie never cuts off people, he just out shouts them ). Otherwise, as much as his style gained him the popularity, it could also plummet for the same reason.

4. This is a problem on all of DDM, but he could hire some good reporters who can research a topic at length and conduct well thought out scholarly interviews and shows. Of course, this is asking for too much given the journalism doesn't pay that much and so tough to get the cream of graduating youth.

Ram Sir, Republic TV is now owned lock stock and barrel by Arnab according to Rajeev Chandrasekar.

We need a jirga for North Texas BR enthusiasts.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 May 2020 11:49

Repulic Tv network is now owned by Arnab. Full.

INC is doing great harm to itself by attacking him like this. Entire MSM made him realise that they are not going to support him in any way. Of course, he must be knowing this before. But even the lack of lip service support must have surprising to him and to many in Raitha Wing. But even that lack of support from MSM must be something INC ensured.

All this in the short term may result in BJP supporting journalists and SM personalities becoming fearful but it will also result in a strong pro-BJP and Anti-Lootian and C system media and SM entities come into being very soon. We are already seeing that in SM and Swarajya and OpEds. Many like that will come in future.

As of today, I do not consider Arnab as a pro-BJP person. I think is using the pro-BJP and nationalist space to fill that gap. Is he a committed Pro BJP person? I am not sure.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 12 May 2020 12:14

After the ICMT landed in kolkata there is steady increase of testing and numbers of COVID detected with numbers crossing 2K and I guess the ground will be created to blame the incoming migrants for the rise in numbers but the point is According to the railways ministry, a total of 287 trains have reached their destinations across 11 states — Andhra Pradesh (1 train), Bihar (87 trains), Himachal Pradesh (1 train), Jharkhand (16 trains), Madhya Pradesh (24 trains), Maharashtra (3 trains), Odisha (20 trains), Rajasthan (4 trains), Telangana (2 trains), Uttar Pradesh (127 trains), West Bengal (2 trains). These trains have departed from states such as Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Haryana, Karnataka, Kerala, Punjab, Rajasthan and Telangana.
so WB have till date received only two trains , while WB neighbors received more number of trains but there is no sharp rise of COVID numbers in those states , till date . So it can be safely assumed that Migrants are not carrier of this virus .

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 12 May 2020 13:37

shaun wrote:After the ICMT landed in kolkata there is steady increase of testing and numbers of COVID detected with numbers crossing 2K and I guess the ground will be created to blame the incoming migrants for the rise in numbers but the point is According to the railways ministry, a total of 287 trains have reached their destinations across 11 states — Andhra Pradesh (1 train), Bihar (87 trains), Himachal Pradesh (1 train), Jharkhand (16 trains), Madhya Pradesh (24 trains), Maharashtra (3 trains), Odisha (20 trains), Rajasthan (4 trains), Telangana (2 trains), Uttar Pradesh (127 trains), West Bengal (2 trains). These trains have departed from states such as Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Haryana, Karnataka, Kerala, Punjab, Rajasthan and Telangana.
so WB have till date received only two trains , while WB neighbors received more number of trains but there is no sharp rise of COVID numbers in those states , till date . So it can be safely assumed that Migrants are not carrier of this virus .

The numbers are about to shoot through the roof, as this relaxation will insure that containment is lost and community spread happens.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 May 2020 16:42

wonder what arnab thinks of this

Krita · Post by **Krita** » 12 May 2020 16:51

chetak wrote:wonder what arnab thinks of this

As fake as ordering veg manchurian. True followers of Goebbels.

Krita · Post by **Krita** » 12 May 2020 16:51

wonder what arnab thinks of this

As fake as ordering veg manchurian. True followers of Goebbels.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 May 2020 18:37

I am searching for the official press release/tweet by the Ministry of Civil Aviation clarifying on why a Vande Bharat mission flight bound to India from Doha, Qatar was delayed. Main stream media had used that incident to once again show Modi and Indian Govt in poor light and glorify the Arabs. The ministry did give a clarification and the flight took off the next day. I am now looking for that clarification. I knew an official who was part of the Air India Express team who operated these flights, and it was disgusting to see the comments on a Facebook post in which he was tagged. The most abusive comments came from Malayalis and Malayali Peacefools. I was looking for a good news report which had the official government stance, but even Google could not give me any.

Asianet News channel (in Malayalam, and in which BJP MP Rajeev Chandrasekhar has a major stake) was one of the first to report the incident and show GoI in badlight. But they were forced to later remove that news after the official clarification. But by then the harm was done. Patriotic Indians were trying to put up some resistance and trying to convey the truth. But I&B ministry still seems to be chilled out, doing nothing. Main stream media, especially in the state of Kerala are now pretty much open on their hatred towards Modi, BJP, GoI and Indian Union and I see no action being taken at all.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 12 May 2020 18:55

Sachin wrote:I am searching for the official press release/tweet by the Ministry of Civil Aviation clarifying on why a Vande Bharat mission flight bound to India from Doha, Qatar was delayed. Main stream media had used that incident to once again show Modi and Indian Govt in poor light and glorify the Arabs. The ministry did give a clarification and the flight took off the next day. I am now looking for that clarification. I knew an official who was part of the Air India Express team who operated these flights, and it was disgusting to see the comments on a Facebook post in which he was tagged. The most abusive comments came from Malayalis and Malayali Peacefools. I was looking for a good news report which had the official government stance, but even Google could not give me any.

Asianet News channel (in Malayalam, and in which BJP MP Rajeev Chandrasekhar has a major stake) was one of the first to report the incident and show GoI in badlight. But they were forced to later remove that news after the official clarification. But by then the harm was done. Patriotic Indians were trying to put up some resistance and trying to convey the truth. But I&B ministry still seems to be chilled out, doing nothing. Main stream media, especially in the state of Kerala are now pretty much open on their hatred towards Modi, BJP, GoI and Indian Union and I see no action being taken at all.

As usual, Muralidharan came out with a statement but late and with little substance. He did not go aggressively against "VeAsianet". The BJP leadership in Kerala need to aggressively attack the media which has always shown BJP in poor light!

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 12 May 2020 19:00

The fact is no body in rest of India cares about what Kerala thinks. With tourism and remittances drying up, NRI Keralites will need to look for jobs in rest of Modi's India and Kerala state govt would need to rely on grants from Center to keep the house running. That will teach them humility.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 12 May 2020 19:13

As Gangetic Dolphin Returns To Hoogly River, Bengal Men Torture Infant Dolphin To Death, Upload Video
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/as-ganget ... load-video
This report claims that the incident came to light after a man named Rafiku Saihk uploaded a video -- via Vigo Video ID 80826578705 -- on the internet. "The video shows a group of men holding the dolphin by its snout and tail and basically torturing it," the report says.

jpremnath · Post by **jpremnath** » 12 May 2020 19:27

Way to go...paint an entire state with the same brush, wish ill for them all because there are people who dont support your political party. In Malayalam there is a popular saying, " A woman who is wishing her brother's death just to see sister in-law's tears"...
NRI remittances to Kerala forms 19% of India's total, its automobile sales is around 8% of the total and so on goes the figures. Tanking of Kerala's economy will also mean a significant dent to an already morose Indian economy.

schinnas wrote:The fact is no body in rest of India cares about what Kerala thinks. With tourism and remittances drying up, NRI Keralites will need to look for jobs in rest of Modi's India and Kerala state govt would need to rely on grants from Center to keep the house running. That will teach them humility.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 May 2020 19:34

jpremnath wrote:Way to go...paint an entire state with the same brush, wish ill for them all because there are people who dont support your political party.

I am from that state (though I have been living in another state for more than the number of years spent there), and to be frank I am disgusted to see the anti-India venom being spread by main stream media in particular and various 'liberal' social media groups in Kerala. Having different political ideology is one thing, but wanting to see your country going down the drain; that mentality is quite rampant in today's Kerala. There is also another Malayalam saying - "every thing done by a man's wife is considered a waste and worthless, just because he hates her".

Sorry for the OT post admins, but I had to say this. Just two days back a soldier from Kerala has been arrested by the Military Police for posting threatening messages on his Facebook profile against the elected Prime Minister and Home Minister of India. You can imagine the rot which is set in the state.

jpremnath · Post by **jpremnath** » 12 May 2020 19:53

Sachin wrote:
jpremnath wrote:Way to go...paint an entire state with the same brush, wish ill for them all because there are people who dont support your political party.
I am from that state (though I have been living in another state for more than the number of years spent there), and to be frank I am disgusted to see the anti-India venom being spread by main stream media in particular and various 'liberal' social media groups in Kerala. Having different political ideology is one thing, but wanting to see your country going down the drain; that mentality is quite rampant in today's Kerala. There is also another Malayalam saying - "every thing done by a man's wife is considered a waste and worthless, just because he hates her".

Sorry for the OT post admins, but I had to say this. Just two days back a soldier from Kerala has been arrested by the Military Police for posting threatening messages on his Facebook profile against the elected Prime Minister and Home Minister of India. You can imagine the rot which is set in the state.

My point is how do you generalize an entire state for these? What percentage of the population is 'Anti India'?.. Yes there are sections in Malabar which falls in your broad classification. How many do you think they amount to? 1000s?, 2000? 1 million? 2 million? If such Anti Indian activities takes place in KL, why isnt the central govt and security agencies do anything about it? If you think all the muslim population supports that theory, what has been the vote share of SDPI and Popular Front? who are the most rabid islamist parties in KL?
You are confusing Anti-Central govt reporting to Anti-India feeling. Are they considered the same in BRF these days? Sachin you are a moderator here. The overwhelming majority of the Keralites are deeply patriotic. They love their country as much any one in the rest of the country do. I havent come across a situation which has made me think otherwise.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 12 May 2020 20:05

Good News!*

A high-powered committee constituted by the Maharashtra government has recommended the release of around 17,000 inmates from jails across the state to decongest prisons amid the COVID-19 outbreak.

Around 50% of state's prisoners will be released on emergency parole amid fears that the coronavirus may spread to Maharashtra's prisons.

This comes after Mumbai's Arthur Road jail reported at least 77 cases of coronavirus among prisoners and 26 among jail staff.

*For those politicos who must been paid off by people wanting to get on that list of 17000 prisoners

I cannot think of a more moronic decision than this, since Corona is spreading to prisons, spread the prisoners to contain the spread.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 12 May 2020 20:11

Prisoners being released in MH. Who's to make sure that they are not all useful goons for non BJP govts to stay in power? Copy cat in RJ and other states?

Swarajya should also write about how all other mafias like liquor and drugs were also up and running and their eventual contribution to spreading of the virus.

Coronavirus May Have Stopped India But Beef Mafia Is Still Operating Like Nobody’s Business
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/corona ... s-business

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 12 May 2020 20:32

mappunni wrote:
CRamS wrote:
I don't think so. With Dorkie's popularity, he is a huge asset to not only govt, but India in general.

That said, I have several other observations:

1. Rajeev Chandrashekar BJP MP (and co-owner of republic?) might ask Dorkie to go a bit less hyper on Queen madam and Pappu and opposition in general. Its OK to be pro govt, but definitely not like a Fox newsish mouthpiece for Trump. For e.g., a dumbo chutiya like Shawn Hannity

2. He should also stop inviting Paki guests and hyperventilating in front of them. They are not going to tremble in their undies just because dorkie shouts at them. It demeans India

3. Long term, he could change format of his shows by allowing guests to speak, lowering the fakers of obnoxious morons whom he invites, and he himself should shout a little less. (interestingly, unlike Rahul Shivshankar on TimesNow, Dorkie never cuts off people, he just out shouts them ). Otherwise, as much as his style gained him the popularity, it could also plummet for the same reason.

4. This is a problem on all of DDM, but he could hire some good reporters who can research a topic at length and conduct well thought out scholarly interviews and shows. Of course, this is asking for too much given the journalism doesn't pay that much and so tough to get the cream of graduating youth.
Ram Sir, Republic TV is now owned lock stock and barrel by Arnab according to Rajeev Chandrasekar.

We need a jirga for North Texas BR enthusiasts.

I am in DFW as well

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 May 2020 21:00

jpremnath wrote:You are confusing Anti-Central govt reporting to Anti-India feeling.

No, I am more concerned with false reporting which is encouraging anti-India groups with more fuel to play around with. It is true that the current ruling 'national' party in Kerala have no hold on Indian national level politics, and they also do not have any leader who can have a pan-India impact. But that does not mean that there has to be a negative campaign (of lies and half truths) to pit one group if Indians against another. Vilifying other parts of India through constant negative reporting is another trend by the main stream media outlets in Kerala. One sample of that was seen during the Delhi riots.

As some one said, this negativity campaign will be ignored by rest of India mainly because they will not understand Malayalam and in Indian national politics Kerala does not have any much say. But understanding that language I could see a trend in which various groups getting tendencies of 'sedition', covered under the excuse of 'alternate politics' & 'anti-BJP' stances.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 12 May 2020 21:03

Which i agree with what Sachin is saying about Kerala, i also think generalizing a whole state is not appropriate. We have seen some well meaning folks likewise generalizing about Bengal as well. On the other end of the spectrum, we have also seen BIF forces and their minions in the media and intelligentsia doing the same thing and cursing Gujaratis and UP-ites because they are now considered as BJP bastions. We will have Pro-Dharmics, Christo-Islamists, BIF forces and deracinated people in every state. Its just that some states have more Pro-Indics while others have more BIF forces and deracinated people.

IMHO, the main issue in South India is the lack of unity and purpose among Hindus. We are shortsighted and think at a very micro level (caste, state, local politics) with no interest in understanding macro level challenges ( civilizational) which is derisively dismissed as 'Hindutva talk'. For the Christo-Islamists and BIF forces, its the opposite.They think globally and act locally. In all Southern states, anti-Brahminism, communism, psudo-secularism are still a powerful ideological force (except may be in Karnataka to some extent). Whatever genuine grievances South Indian Hindus have against Christo-Islamists-Commies get neutralized by these BIF ideological forces.

jpremnath · Post by **jpremnath** » 12 May 2020 21:26

Sachin wrote: No, I am more concerned with false reporting which is encouraging anti-India groups with more fuel to play around with. It is true that the current ruling 'national' party in Kerala have no hold on Indian national level politics, and they also do not have any leader who can have a pan-India impact. But that does not mean that there has to be a negative campaign (of lies and half truths) to pit one group if Indians against another. Vilifying other parts of India through constant negative reporting is another trend by the main stream media outlets in Kerala. One sample of that was seen during the Delhi riots.

Is this limited to only Kerala media? Doesnt Wire, Quint, Scroll and the Caravan does much worse? Infact NDTV routinely peddles lies and gets away with it. What about the media in TN? MH? TS? or others? Are they all free of such blame? Why are we singling out one state?

As some one said, this negativity campaign will be ignored by rest of India mainly because they will not understand Malayalam and in Indian national politics Kerala does not have any much say. But understanding that language I could see a trend in which various groups getting tendencies of 'sedition', covered under the excuse of 'alternate politics' & 'anti-BJP' stances.

True, with 2.5% of the population and similar numbers in MPs, the impact on the national political scene is negligible. Which is why I dont get the overwhelming hate this state gets from the rest of BRF members and the country in general. Kerala is a state with lots of warts and the likes of commies is part of it. But it also does yeoman's service to the country and often punches beyond its weight in making this country a better place. So i felt the OP's post on hoping the state goes to the dogs is just not in the spirit of 'Bharat Rakshak' forum.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 May 2020 21:30

Shashi Tharoor@ShashiTharoor

The betrayal of the OCI card-holders is a minor footnote to the tragedies of the migrant workers & other collateral damage of irresponsible governance, but for those who took their "overseas citizenship" seriously, it's calamitous:
@vivekmenezes explains

Overseas Citizens of India feel abandoned, betrayed

Sunny California@desicounty

Replying to @ShashiTharoor and @vivekmenezes

OCI are NOT Indian citizens. So how a third country can betray them? Why do they want to come to India? They should live in the country of their citizenship. Why Indian taxpayers & government should take care of their travel, medical, stay & may be their tickets back?

11:45 PM · May 11, 2020

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 12 May 2020 21:32

nandakumar wrote: This story doesn't make sense. To sleep on the track means, to sleep on the ballast. Assuming these are concrete bed rails, the sleeping posture would have been extremely uncomfortable with a part of the body on the rail and the rest of the body hanging loose from it.

I think the workers (May their souls attain sadgati), were consuming/had consumed an intoxicant of some sort. Something which makes it easier for them to sustain a repetitive motor activity (like walking) for long periods of time. This stupor drastically reduced their situational awareness and had passed out on the tracks after pausing to rest for a bit. Otherwise if you have your ear resting on a rail (assumption), there is no way the vibrations of an oncoming train are NOT going to wake you up. This can easily be determined by working with the survivors, But hey, a pliant Sarkar who has interest in bashing Modi onlee, and a questionable HM in charge, you can be assured that it is never going to come out.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 12 May 2020 22:02

jpremnath wrote:Way to go...paint an entire state with the same brush, wish ill for them all because there are people who dont support your political party. In Malayalam there is a popular saying, " A woman who is wishing her brother's death just to see sister in-law's tears"...
NRI remittances to Kerala forms 19% of India's total, its automobile sales is around 8% of the total and so on goes the figures. Tanking of Kerala's economy will also mean a significant dent to an already morose Indian economy.

schinnas wrote:The fact is no body in rest of India cares about what Kerala thinks. With tourism and remittances drying up, NRI Keralites will need to look for jobs in rest of Modi's India and Kerala state govt would need to rely on grants from Center to keep the house running. That will teach them humility.

Pls don't put words into my mouth. My comment was specific to NRI Keralites and KL govt (esp of Vijayan). I wish all Keralites work and prosper in India and contribute more to Indian forex by exporting goods than by sending remittances and working under Arabs.

That will teach these NRI Keralites who badmouth India some humility and respect for Motherland. If you read my post in context of posts prior, it would be obvious that I refer to the bad elements.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 May 2020 22:14

sajo wrote:
nandakumar wrote: This story doesn't make sense. To sleep on the track means, to sleep on the ballast. Assuming these are concrete bed rails, the sleeping posture would have been extremely uncomfortable with a part of the body on the rail and the rest of the body hanging loose from it.

I think the workers (May their souls attain sadgati), were consuming/had consumed an intoxicant of some sort. Something which makes it easier for them to sustain a repetitive motor activity (like walking) for long periods of time. This stupor drastically reduced their situational awareness and had passed out on the tracks after pausing to rest for a bit. Otherwise if you have your ear resting on a rail (assumption), there is no way the vibrations of an oncoming train are NOT going to wake you up. This can easily be determined by working with the survivors, But hey, a pliant Sarkar who has interest in bashing Modi onlee, and a questionable HM in charge, you can be assured that it is never going to come out.

some reports on the net said that they were sleeping on the concrete sleepers using the rail as a pillow thus their bodies would have been between the two rails.

They probably did this as a precaution against snakes, scorpions, and other such unwanted visitors.

after walking the whole day in the sun, they were very tired and possibly in a very deep sleep.

recall waiting at a railway crossing: you will see a train long before you can actually hear it.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 12 May 2020 22:16

chetak wrote:Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury, is someone planning to join the BJP

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 May 2020 22:19

vijayk wrote:
chetak wrote:Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury, is someone planning to join the BJP

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXwjU4qUcAM ... =large/img]
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so I hear.

earlier, just about a week or two ago, he had tweeted expressing approval and admiration for Modi's handling of the chinese virus.

something is cooking and it is certainly not hilsa.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 12 May 2020 22:57

Brilliant speech and vision for post Corona India outlined by PM Modi. His approach to governance is easier to understand when one has studied the Integral Humanism of Pandit Deen Dayal Upadyaya, his idol. It's about evolving th country along a 4 fold path of Dharma, artha, Kama and Moksha (just society, strong equitable and sustainable economy, entertainment and pursuit of happiness, and spiritual attainment).

Glad we have a very sincere, dedicated and hardworking PM who is guided by civilisational wisdom.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 12 May 2020 23:02

well i think the speech was high on ideals low on substance..he doesnt need to stretch himself for that long..everyone including myself was a bit disappointed regarding lack of clarity on lockdown..the only thing i am wondering is what is the chanakian ploy that i havent picked up which usually is the case with his speeches.
One thing i could pick up is that the govt will be taking some step towards domestic manufacturing and some drastic reforms would be taken...
another obvious was the package...i am wondering where will the money come from...and to be honest..i have low hopes from Finmin babus led by NS, i miss arun jaitley in these times..we needed an articulator and consensus builder like him in these times.....

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 12 May 2020 23:18

There is lot of substance. A visionary talk will or need not have much details.

Many of us are used to insincere empty rhetoric of the past and cannot appreciate when a sincere vision is articulated in simple words that common man can understand. Modi's speech today was more profound than Jaishankar's highly erudite talks.

Modi means what he says. His words aren't empty ornamental flowery language. You can glean the foreign policy strategy from his speech. The 5 pillars he talked about give very strong indication on the direction the policies will flow for next 4 years.

On the economic policy, he has indicated the size of the package and that it would cover laborers, middle class, make in India, and farmers.

Let NS give the details and tactical stuff. It took me a few years to "get" the speeches of Modi. Once I got it, I can see that they are heartfelt and profound and his actions follow those words.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 12 May 2020 23:48

sajo wrote:
nandakumar wrote: This story doesn't make sense. To sleep on the track means, to sleep on the ballast. Assuming these are concrete bed rails, the sleeping posture would have been extremely uncomfortable with a part of the body on the rail and the rest of the body hanging loose from it.

I think the workers (May their souls attain sadgati), were consuming/had consumed an intoxicant of some sort. Something which makes it easier for them to sustain a repetitive motor activity (like walking) for long periods of time. This stupor drastically reduced their situational awareness and had passed out on the tracks after pausing to rest for a bit. Otherwise if you have your ear resting on a rail (assumption), there is no way the vibrations of an oncoming train are NOT going to wake you up. This can easily be determined by working with the survivors, But hey, a pliant Sarkar who has interest in bashing Modi onlee, and a questionable HM in charge, you can be assured that it is never going to come out.

Thank you. Your explanation sounds plausible. But as you say, we will never really know the truth.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 12 May 2020 23:55

chetak wrote:
sajo wrote:
I think the workers (May their souls attain sadgati), were consuming/had consumed an intoxicant of some sort. Something which makes it easier for them to sustain a repetitive motor activity (like walking) for long periods of time. This stupor drastically reduced their situational awareness and had passed out on the tracks after pausing to rest for a bit. Otherwise if you have your ear resting on a rail (assumption), there is no way the vibrations of an oncoming train are NOT going to wake you up. This can easily be determined by working with the survivors, But hey, a pliant Sarkar who has interest in bashing Modi onlee, and a questionable HM in charge, you can be assured that it is never going to come out.
some reports on the net said that they were sleeping on the concrete sleepers using the rail as a pillow thus their bodies would have been between the two rails.

They probably did this as a precaution against snakes, scorpions, and other such unwanted visitors.

after walking the whole day in the sun, they were very tired and possibly in a very deep sleep.

recall waiting at a railway crossing: you will see a train long before you can actually hear it.

The news reports clearly said that they started walking around 7 pm and covered a 36 kilometre distance and reached a spot where the accident occurred around 4.30 am. They were run over by early morning, 5 am or thereabouts.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 13 May 2020 01:21

schinnas wrote:There is lot of substance. A visionary talk will or need not have much details.

Many of us are used to insincere empty rhetoric of the past and cannot appreciate when a sincere vision is articulated in simple words that common man can understand. Modi's speech today was more profound than Jaishankar's highly erudite talks.

Modi means what he says. His words aren't empty ornamental flowery language. You can glean the foreign policy strategy from his speech. The 5 pillars he talked about give very strong indication on the direction the policies will flow for next 4 years.

On the economic policy, he has indicated the size of the package and that it would cover laborers, middle class, make in India, and farmers.

Let NS give the details and tactical stuff. It took me a few years to "get" the speeches of Modi. Once I got it, I can see that they are heartfelt and profound and his actions follow those words.

respectfully disagree..but lets wait for NS and others to come up with details..i think it is setting stage up for something very big..see the five areas covered
1. Land
2. Laws
3. Labour
4. System (governance)
5. Supply Chain

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 13 May 2020 01:39

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7203&p=2432043#p2432043

i think multiple fronts are being opened by forces inimical to indian interests:
1. Intrusions in Ladakh, and sikkim
2. infiltration in kashmir through different routes
3. instigating domestic unrest in india
4. terrorist attacks in afghanistan

in response to the moves made in light of
1. thrashing of pakistan on border CFVs
2. statements on GB
3. desire to act against chinese (i am sure chinese have info going to them) at least economically

missing rudradev

kit · Post by **kit** » 13 May 2020 01:54

Matter of National security at hand

Reports of West Bengal refusing to take back "Bengali workers" stranded in TN and Kerala as apparently their forged "id cards" ( fake Aadhar ) will not stand up to scrutiny once they come back. No special Trains for them . All these people are illegals from Bangladesh. Kerala is apparently busy issuing them Ration cards. TN police refuses to take any action.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 May 2020 02:32

nandakumar wrote:
chetak wrote:
some reports on the net said that they were sleeping on the concrete sleepers using the rail as a pillow thus their bodies would have been between the two rails.

They probably did this as a precaution against snakes, scorpions, and other such unwanted visitors.

after walking the whole day in the sun, they were very tired and possibly in a very deep sleep.

recall waiting at a railway crossing: you will see a train long before you can actually hear it.
The news reports clearly said that they started walking around 7 pm and covered a 36 kilometre distance and reached a spot where the accident occurred around 4.30 am. They were run over by early morning, 5 am or thereabouts.

OK.

details gathered from the survivors, no doubt.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 May 2020 02:35

kit wrote:Matter of National security at hand

Reports of West Bengal refusing to take back "Bengali workers" stranded in TN and Kerala as apparently their forged "id cards" ( fake Aadhar ) will not stand up to scrutiny once they come back. No special Trains for them . All these people are illegals from Bangladesh. Kerala is apparently busy issuing them Ration cards. TN police refuses to take any action.

why exactly would mumtaz begum be outing them

there has to be some logical explanation for throwing these beedis under the bus even if it is in some faraway states.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 13 May 2020 03:03

chetak wrote:
Shashi Tharoor@ShashiTharoor

The betrayal of the OCI card-holders is a minor footnote to the tragedies of the migrant workers & other collateral damage of irresponsible governance, but for those who took their "overseas citizenship" seriously, it's calamitous:
@vivekmenezes explains

Overseas Citizens of India feel abandoned, betrayed

Sunny California@desicounty

Replying to @ShashiTharoor and @vivekmenezes

OCI are NOT Indian citizens. So how a third country can betray them? Why do they want to come to India? They should live in the country of their citizenship. Why Indian taxpayers & government should take care of their travel, medical, stay & may be their tickets back?

11:45 PM · May 11, 2020

That is a tone-deaf response. This does not affect only OCI card holders. Many Indian citizens like H-1B and green card holders in the US, have kids who were born in the US and are US citizens. Now if they lose their job and visa status in the US which is very possible in the current time, how are they supposed to travel back to India if their kid's OCI status is not valid? Are they supposed to abandon their kids in the US? At least an exception for such cases should have been included.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 May 2020 03:14

nachiket wrote:
chetak wrote:

That is a tone-deaf response. This does not affect only OCI card holders. Many Indian citizens like H-1B and green card holders in the US, have kids who were born in the US and are US citizens. Now if they lose their job and visa status in the US which is very possible in the current time, how are they supposed to travel back to India if their kid's OCI status is not valid? Are they supposed to abandon their kids in the US? At least an exception for such cases should have been included.

I am very sure that exceptions for such cases will be made.

this is shampoo boy's typical poisonous mischief making and some guys practical response to tharoor's broadside against Modi

BTW, a significant number of amerikis have stayed back in India despite their govt making arrangements to fly them back to the US. This is what may have prompted that circular.

tharoor has stiff competition from raghuram rajan for a hypothetical post that he once thought was going to be his until rajan overshadowed him so he is promoting himself in the media