Understanding the US - Again

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 07 Jun 2020 09:16

It's no surprise that blacks are just as racist, if not more, than whites. It just so happens in america the blacks are not in a position to be racist cause the whites keep them in their place. There was no racism when blacks were murdering whites in south africa or kicking indians out from Uganda (if i'm not wrong). If we weren't colonized by white people then indians would be just as much racist against whites. Japanese don't like anyone in their country, neither do koreans, chinese etc. Whites do tolerate other nationalities but only cause of the guilt from centuries of colonization and slavery.

Despite whatever happen in Amerikka, blacks would never agree to emigrate to a all-black nation much like how our intellectuals cry about fascism but would never move to a secular muslim country to get away from said fascism.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 07 Jun 2020 09:33

anmol wrote:
Democrats have run Minneapolis for generations. Why is there still systemic racism?

George Korda, Knoxville News Sentinel, USA TODAY Opinion•June 6, 2020

My home town newspaper published a front-page photo on Wednesday with a caption about protests against "systemic police brutality against people of color."

Systemic racism is being discussed a great deal in the wake of George Floyd’s death under the knee of now-former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin.

The video of Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck for nearly nine minutes, as Floyd repeatedly said he couldn’t breathe, has ignited protests peaceful and violent, with the tragedy also being used by some as a way to destroy, steal — and worse. In one case, looters in St. Louis shot and killed David Dorn, a highly respected black retired police captain, as he was trying to protect a pawn shop.

It’s likely — just as it’s likely the sun comes up in the west — that when a good many people say “systemic racism,” they’re not including the politicians they like and the political party they favor.

One way to tell? Their attitude toward who has been running the systems. [..]

"Minneapolis, Minn. has been under Democratic control since 1978. Chicago has been under Democratic control for 89 years; its present mayor is a black woman. Philadelphia has had Democratic mayors for 68 years; three of its last five mayors have been black men. Six of the last seven Atlanta, Ga., mayoral administrations were led by black Democratic mayors, and the present mayor is a black woman.

"A city runs its police department and other services; therefore, if there is so much 'systemic racism' in these organizations, why hasn't it been corrected over so many years under Democratic leaders?

"Why aren't these cities garden spots of racial tolerance, understanding, and virtue?" [..]

Not familiar with US politics. A naive question. If some cities have consistently voted for black mayors and or Democrats there must be sizeable black population in those cities. Does police force strength reflect the relative size of black population?

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Jun 2020 17:02

Many such areas become like muslim areas in India. Police doesn't want to risk it. Or there are not enough resources or ticketing revenues to cover round the clock crimes. No one demands answers from blacks about lives lost in their areas. Chicago is one example. Many Indian origin businesses take brunt of this and just become crime stat.

There's severe violence on everyday basis in various ghettos. More than enough to put police violence to shame.

It's not like Indian origin people aren't affected by the police violence. They are too. Note the usage of word police without saying whites. My work takes me to many places and many times I have been pulled over without police officer walking down to my car's window and standing behind police car's door with gun pointing at me. Not every one of them was white cop. My traditional American bosses would always tell me that they would have sued their asses. And, I always have to remind them that the wheels of justice work differently for nontraditional Americans like me.

One also has to take into account ability to collect money on abuses.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Jun 2020 18:06

Protesters in New York City Guarding Muslims as They Prayed Amid #BlackLivesMatter Paints Beautiful Picture of Unity
https://www.india.com/viral/protesters- ... y-4049727/

Mark Zuckerberg Urged by 140 Scientists to Curb US President Donald Trump’s Posts ‘Glorifying Violence’ on Facebook
https://www.india.com/viral/mark-zucker ... k-4051200/

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jun 2020 18:16

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/06/ny-m ... t-all-down
Molotov cocktail at cop car: “This s–t won’t ever stop unless we f–kin’ take it all down”

Rahman was then caught on surveillance video just before 1 a.m. that day lighting a Molotov cocktail and tossing it into an empty police vehicle near the 88th Precinct, according to court papers.

Rahman, 31, said in the video before the Molotov incident that violence against cops was “understandable,” adding, “people are angry because the police are never held accountable.

“This has got to stop. And the only way they hear, the only way they hear us is through violence, through the means that they use,” she said.

“We’ve got to use the massa’s [master’s] tools, that’s what my friend always says.”

Rahman — who spelled out her first name at the end of the interview — spoke while covering her face with the same black-and-white headdress that she wore in a photo that Brooklyn federal prosecutors say shows her clutching a Molotov cocktail in the passenger seat of a minivan driven by fellow lawyer and co-defendant Mattis, 32.

Paki origin it seems

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/new-y ... index.html

Rahman, a Pakistani immigrant, works as an attorney at Bronx Legal Services, where she represents tenants facing evictions, and lives with her elderly mother, for whom she cares. Mattis, who is black, was raised and now lives in East New York, where he is a member of his local community board and cares for three foster children, two of whom he is in the process of adopting.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 07 Jun 2020 18:25

Has anyone recently calculated chances of Trump to win elections based on how many electoral votes he can get, compared to simple generic opinion polls?

Some of states he won were by very narrow margins, is he likely to get any more marginal state or lose some?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jun 2020 18:33

More on these Islamist ISIS activists ...

https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/alleged-m ... p-friends/

Their attitudes have apparently changed behind bars.

“They’re nervous, I can tell you that,” said Salmah Rizvi, a former Obama administration official who knows Rahman and Mattis, and helped guarantee Rahman’s $250,000 bail.

Rizvi, Rahman and Mattis were among a network of lawyers of color who got together at events in the city as well as their homes, where Rahman would dance to Bollywood tunes as they cooked, said Rizvi, who once served in the US State and Defense departments.

The Pakistani-born Rahman, 31, who grew up in Bay Ridge and was educated at Fordham University and its law school, is a fiery social-justice activist whose work took her to Istanbul, Turkey, where she helped refugees find permanent housing; Egypt; South Africa; and to Israel’s West Bank, where she wrote about the harsh treatment of Palestinians.

“This is why I find it ridiculous when people claim that ‘Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East,'” Rahman wrote in a since-deleted post (https://web.archive.org/web/20151030085 ... theid.html) on Fordham’s Leitner Center for International Law and Justice website after a two-month trip to Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2014. “This is a blatant lie. Israel is nothing of the sort.

“I … witnessed brutality perpetrated by the Israeli Occupational Forces (aka the Israel Defense Forces) as well as by right-wing Zionist settlers on Palestinians who resist the illegal occupation of their land,” she wrote.

Back home in New York, Rahman, who still lives with her mother in Bay Ridge, campaigned against police brutality and most recently, put in long hours at her job at Bronx Legal Services, helping low-income tenants in housing court avoid eviction.

“Urooj was patient, soft, elegant, empathetic and a really good listener,” the Indonesia-born Rizvi told The Post. “She was my sous-chef at dinner parties. She’d cut the onions for me.”

Robert Gangi, a longtime prison-inmate advocate who founded the Police Reform Organizing Project, met Rahman when she worked on his mayoral campaign in 2017. He called her “thoughtful” and said she “got along with everyone.”

“I almost feel she must have been set up,” Gangi said. “The police claim they have a video. Let’s see it.”

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 18:51

is this also part of black lives matter

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 07 Jun 2020 18:56

Trump has no deep rooted moral or ideological underpinnings. He reacts on the basis of unfolding events and does what suits him personally, and doesnt really care if it suits the GOP or the country or NATO or anyone else in the world. He doesn't care about any legacy, perhaps he will if he gets a second term. But for that, he must get reelected first.

The pandemic and the black lives matter protests are unforeseen events that he sees as major distractions and risks for his re-election. There are no clear solutions against either, and need to be dealt with using a moral compass or at least a well defined ideological approach to contain and hopefully overcome them. He lacks both and is clearly struggling to deal with them.

Racism is present everywhere in the world, and its manifestations are shaped by a country's culture, history, religion and economic dynamics. America has its own and sometimes unique ways of how racial prejudice manifests itself in interpersonal relations, education, business, policing, justice system, media and social hierarchies.

Centuries of injustices have made the black American population fall behind in many developmental parameters. The institutions and systems in place today were put in place mostly by the white Americans, and consciously or unconsciously, to their preserve their dominant social position and advantages. Black communities reject this dominance and resist it in many ways, in their accent, dressing, music, religious practices and behaviour. But having already been pushed into a corner and lacking the required level of focus on education, health, family stability, networking, even self esteem, they have unfortunately but somewhat understandably fallen into self-isolation, ghettoisation and victimhood; and therefore seriously lack the means and leaders to organise effectively to fight against long standing and deep rooted systemic prejudice.

George Floyd's brutal treatment and killing a powerful trigger, but beyond triggering protests, so far it has not led to any legitimate spokespersons emerging from the black community with concrete demands or charting a course of future action. Sooner or later the protests will wane off and it will be back to status quo, until the next tragedy. Remember Don King?

If Trump were smart he would have made some conciliatory noises, announced a couple of showpiece measures and let this blow over. But he is not. And this could very well be the fatal mistake that will make him lose the next election.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 07 Jun 2020 22:11

Gyan wrote:Has anyone recently calculated chances of Trump to win elections based on how many electoral votes he can get, compared to simple generic opinion polls?

Some of states he won were by very narrow margins, is he likely to get any more marginal state or lose some?

There are enough places to ask this question besides BRF. Go there.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 08 Jun 2020 03:59

Gyan wrote:Has anyone recently calculated chances of Trump to win elections based on how many electoral votes he can get, compared to simple generic opinion polls?

Some of the states he won were by very narrow margins, is he likely to get any more marginal state or lose some?

Once Democrats finalize VP pick and put the initial narrative of the campaign, we can start the right assessment. As you said some were won with narrow margins, so analysis entails whether Democrats can flip a few narrow-margin states back and gain any Red states. Trump has to deal with 2 obvious problems to retain with narratives around them built by the Democrats -

1. Covid19 economic woes
While Fed pumping pushed stock market back up but the real economy is going down with unemployment problems. He has the challenge of managing or mitigating effects of downturn till elections and, in other words, if the Mainstreet economy catches up as quickly as wallstreet economy. By October unemployment figure such as >15% doesn't look good for Trump to spin away in any other way.

2. BLM
This is new problem post Floyd's killing. Democrats are spinning and pushing BLM and racism against Trump. Last time Trump won because of the blacks' indifference for voting to Clinton. Democrats are charging them back to vote at this time and at the same time creating a sense of guilt among white voters to be indifferent to voting Trump. This may result in picking a black VP. If they start replicating the performance of Midterm elections, they can take the Whitehouse. Losing narrow margin states back and some red states such as Arizona, Trump will have no numbers to win.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 08 Jun 2020 11:25

Predator Drone Spotted in Minneapolis During George Floyd Protests

According to GovTech.com, one such drone was spotted in Minneapolis during the protests. It's known that the drone belongs to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), but it's not known who requested it. Journalist Jason Paladino, on Twitter, appears to be the first to notice the drone, on May 29; he also determined that the drone had taken off from Grand Forks Air Force Base in North Dakota.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 08 Jun 2020 11:28

Romney marches in Floyd protest 'to make sure people understand that black lives matter'

Republican Sen. Mitt Romney on Sunday marched in a Washington, DC, protest after the death of George Floyd in a break from other GOP lawmakers who have largely aligned behind President Donald Trump's militarized response to nationwide unrest.
Romney told a Washington Post reporter that he was participating in the demonstration "to make sure that people understand that black lives matter." The Utah senator later tweeted a photo of himself at the protest with the caption "Black Lives Matter," becoming one of the most prominent GOP figures to do so.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Jun 2020 12:35

lo and behold, an Indian buddhijeevi has spoken

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 08 Jun 2020 12:39

chetak wrote:is this also part of black lives matter

Does the back of the placard read: "I can't breathe"?

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 08 Jun 2020 12:43

chetak wrote:lo and behold, an Indian buddhijeevi has spoken

"@manujosephsan"

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 08 Jun 2020 13:34

chola · Post by **chola** » 08 Jun 2020 13:38

RCase wrote:
chetak wrote:is this also part of black lives matter

Does the back of the placard read: "I can't breathe"?

The mythical power of that big black ... is a real thing among goris.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Jun 2020 15:18

So what will they do after they defund the police?

Outsource 911 to India?

Who will you call when a gunman is inside your home? Sam Muthu from Chennai or will you talk to a chat bot?

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 08 Jun 2020 16:10

View: Donald Trump may still win this November's presidential election
ET CONTRIBUTORS|Last Updated: Jun 08, 2020, 02.05 PM IST

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 252837.cms

Good Read...........

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 08 Jun 2020 17:21

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Jun 2020 17:28

Mollick.R wrote:View: Donald Trump may still win this November's presidential election
ET CONTRIBUTORS|Last Updated: Jun 08, 2020, 02.05 PM IST

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 252837.cms

Good Read...........

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Jun 2020 17:52

I can confirm to that from my black coworkers. Many believe that he gets briefing and comes and says it to public instead of towing the line.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 08 Jun 2020 18:25

From Great Game India:

COURT DOCUMENTS: George Floyd Profile Reads Like A Career Criminal

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 08 Jun 2020 20:56

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 08 Jun 2020 23:16

darshan wrote:I can confirm to that from my black coworkers. Many believe that he gets briefing and comes and says it to public instead of towing the line.

As per a recent Rasmussen poll (generally considered favourable to Rep.) his approval rating amongst blacks at an all time high of 41%.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 08 Jun 2020 23:24

So here we go in US also .......

Will be interesting to see if African American community which has executed it's struggle so far independently and idolized people like Gandhi will fall for this or not

How Floyd Case Could Finally Unite Blacks and Muslims

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 09 Jun 2020 00:05

{Deleted. Please stop posting off topic like this. You post with insight when you do, but have a tendency to repeatedly add noise. As a new young poster, I don't want to discourage you by warning you, but please don't just dump the first instinctive thoughts that come to mind, here}

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 09 Jun 2020 00:22

Disclaimer: This video is from Infowars member so consume with some salt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfsuKCgwDpo

This piece @4:20 is interesting the advisor for Sunrise movement is also connected to private military and law enforcement contractor company. They can play both sides - work with radicals to do violent protests to push for certain actions such as defunding police and then they can push to provide private "people-friendly police" with Tax-payer budgets.
https://youtu.be/xfsuKCgwDpo?t=260

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 09 Jun 2020 00:31

For those who care!

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine ... ack-crime/

In 2018, where the homicide victim was black, the suspected killer also was 88 percent of the time. And this is not an exceptional situation. From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by other African Americans.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 09 Jun 2020 03:48

George Floyd's Lawyer Asks United Nations to Intervene in Case, Make Police Reform Recommendations

Ben Crump, the attorney representing George Floyd's family, has called on the United Nations to intervene and investigate the circumstances around the middle-aged black man's death and to make recommendations about law enforcement reforms.

"Among the reforms requested were deescalating techniques, independent prosecutions and autopsies for every extrajudicial police killing in an effort to stop further human rights abuses including torture and extrajudicial killings of African Americans to protect their inherent and fundamental human right to life," Crump said in a statement about the June 3 letter sent to the U.N.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 09 Jun 2020 03:52

Ha. One more urban naxal tactic seen before in India.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 09 Jun 2020 05:42

Trump Throws Tantrum After CNN Poll Shows Biden Crushing Him By Nearly 15 Points

President Donald Trump had a fit on Monday morning on Twitter in response to a new CNN poll showing that the President is in deep trouble ahead of the presidential election in November.

“CNN Polls are as Fake as their Reporting,” the President tweeted. “Same numbers, and worse, against Crooked Hillary.”

The survey, which was held June 2-5 with 1,259 respondents, shows that Trump’s approval rating has sunk to 38 percent. Meanwhile, his disapproval rate skyrocketed to 57 percent, a whopping 6-point increase from CNN’s survey in May.

Not sure how to interpret this but it'd be pretty worrying for trump's camp if this were close to elections.

Edit: @Suraj sir, thanks for the encouraging words. I'll keep the noise to zero from now on.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 09 Jun 2020 06:21

ShyamSP wrote:Disclaimer: This video is from Infowars member so consume with some salt.

Shyam ji, if the video/source is from Infowars, it's not even worth the garbage its printed on.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jun 2020 06:24

At this time 2016, HRC was ahead 12-20%. Only recent state polling counts because elections are won through the electoral college. It will be a close election, unless the V shaped recovery takes place. Further, Biden hasn’t spoken much yet and he suffers the problem as Trump being where both speak before thinking.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jun 2020 06:29

vijayk wrote:So what will they do after they defund the police?

Outsource 911 to India?

Who will you call when a gunman is inside your home? Sam Muthu from Chennai or will you talk to a chat bot?

It will be community policing. Think of Mamta Banerjee and TMC goons running around WB where police are beholden to the political party in charge.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 09 Jun 2020 06:43

The NYT Admits Key Falsehoods That Drove Last Year’s Coup in Bolivia: Falsehoods Peddled by the U.S., its Media, and the NYT

While Morales’ popularity had marginally waned since his 2014 landslide victory, he was still the most popular politician in the country. On the night of the October 21, 2019, vote, Bolivia’s election board certified that Morales’ margin of victory against the second-place candidate exceeded the ten percent threshold required under Bolivian law to avoid a run-off, thus earning him a fourth term. But allegations of election fraud were quickly voiced by Morales’ right-wing opponents, leading to his expulsion from the country on November 11.

Once he fled, Bolivia’s first-ever president from the country’s Indigenous population was replaced by a little-known, white, far-right senator, Jeanine Áñez, from the country’s minority European-descendent, Christian, wealthy region. Her new, unelected government promptly massacred dozens of Indigenous protesters and then vested the responsible soldiers with immunity. Seven months later, Áñez predictably continues to rule Bolivia as “interim President” despite never having run for President, let alone having been democratically elected.

Not sure how reliable the news outlet is but just a little something to take the mind off of the current protests.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 09 Jun 2020 07:01

ShyamSP wrote:This may result in picking a black VP.

Black woman VP pick - top three are Val Deming (FL), Atlanta Mayor, or Kamala Harris (CA). Val Deming was head of Orlando PD which was held by her hubby before she became the head. Her 2007-2011 stint was marred with controversies. In one incident, a police officer pushed one Daley and broke his neck vertebrae. Ms. Deming supported the police officer but the city was ordered by the court to pay $800K damages on to Mr. Daley.

We already know about Kamala Harris' record as AG of CA. Also, CA is in Biden's pocket anyways. What extra can Harris bring to the ticket other than some baggage, I wonder. FL is a "must win" for Trump. Trump is not doing well in some of the battleground states right now. Biden is leading by 7 points in a very recent Fox poll - I repeat Fox poll.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 09 Jun 2020 07:24

vijayk wrote:Who will you call when a gunman is inside your home?

Police do not help in this circumstance any way because response times are too high. You have to shoot the gunman with your weapon. In weapons training classes they teach how to decide when to shoot someone including the legal issues involved. The circumstance where a gunman is on your property is usually grounds for legitimate self defense.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 09 Jun 2020 07:44

Jay wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:Disclaimer: This video is from Infowars member so consume with some salt.
Shyam ji, if the video/source is from Infowars, it's not even worth the garbage its printed on.

Jay ji,
Maybe it got banned by Youtube as the video is not available now. It is not for what they say which we should ignore or take a bucket of salt as I said. I posted due to some connections mentioned which is worth noting for us regardless if a right-wing person mentions or not. One person named Aaron Berger that runs as military/police contractor/trainer also advises Sunrise movement, a radical left group. (Context: Some Hindus in the US are getting swayed by these movements on morality grounds so we need such proofs to make non-critical-minded and show-me-proof kind of Hindus aware of such connections.)