India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 19 Jun 2020 17:24

ks_sachin wrote:How do I post a video. I have been forwarded one which explains things simply?

Upload to YouTube and then post the link in here using this code....

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ragupta · Post by **ragupta** » 19 Jun 2020 17:50

India Completes Construction Of 60m Bridge Over Galwan River That China Had Objected To
https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... river.html

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Jun 2020 17:53

Chini light tank.

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Jun 2020 17:58

Do we have news of any talks going on with the Chinis?

Today we are seeing news of Mig,Ah64 in Leh. So any "show of build up" seem to be waiting for our men to come back..

VikramA · Post by **VikramA** » 19 Jun 2020 18:14

^^^ the fourth pic that ANI has published on twitter shows what looks like a black hawk. it is definitely not a MI-17 or ALH

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 19 Jun 2020 18:18

Armuan wrote:
In all these years I have never seen your posts wasted. I trust your words. Will donate.
...

Army Jawans Welfare fund: Is this the site?:
https://www.pmindia.gov.in/en/national-defence-fund/
...

Sir. That is one avenue

Another (to which i do) is as follows:

‘Army Welfare Fund Battle Casualties’

[Mods= pls. excuse the longish post]

Here are the details, post from SSridhar dated » 04 Oct 2016 07:28

Syndicate Bank staff ‘thrilled’ to operate battle casualties fund - Vinson Kurian, Business Line

The account details were posted before and several BRfites contributed as well. Let all of us do our bit.
Syndicate Bank staff ‘thrilled’ to operate battle casualties fund - Vinson Kurian, Business Line

The account details were posted before and several BRfites contributed as well. Let all of us do our bit.

The staff at Syndicate Bank are ‘thrilled’ that their bank has been chosen to maintain and operate an account named ‘Army Welfare Fund Battle Casualties’.

Donations received in the fund will be utilised to provide financial assistance/grant to widows, next of kin or dependants of Army personnel who have lost their lives in battle.

Special relevance

This ‘fits well’ with the current security environment but sits lightly on contributors since they are expected to spare no more than ₹1 per day, amounting to ₹365 per year, sources said.

KS Bhat, All-India Vice-President, Syndicate Bank Staff Association, said that the staff are proud that they get to manage the account designed for such a noble purpose. “Syndicate Bank is also the right choice since it has been a pioneer of a thrift deposit scheme called Pigmy Deposit introduced 80 years ago to inculcate the habit of savings among the public.” The bank used to send its agents to the doorsteps of depositors to collect four annas (25 paise), Bhat said. It had become so popular that many banks would later mimic it under different appellations.

Account details
“In a way, Syndicate Bank deserves the honour of receiving donations under the new Army welfare scheme,” he added, and requested the bank’s management to popularise it. If 100 crore of the country’s population were to contribute to the fund, it could mop up ₹100 crore per day, ₹3,000 crore per month and ₹36,000 crore per year.

The Army Welfare Fund Battle Casualties account has been opened at Syndicate Bank’s Defence Headquarters Branch, South Block, New Delhi. The IFSC Code is SYNB0009055 and the account number 90552010165915.

A statement of the Adjutant General’s Branch, Army Welfare Fund Battle Casualties, dated June 23, 2016, explained the specific circumstances leading to the setting up of the account. It said that ‘post the Siachen tragedy in which 10 Army men lost their lives due to an avalanche, there has been a groundswell of sentiments across the nation towards the contribution of the Army.’ There was also perceived desire of spirited citizens wanting to contribute financially for the welfare of the next of kin of battle casualties. The issue was debated upon in consultation with the Ministry of Defence, leading to opening of the account ‘to provide financial assistance to next of kin/widows/dependants of battle casualties.’

Alternately you can also donate to the 'Army Central Welfare Fund'

The official site - Army Central Welfare Fund

Monetary contributions to the Army may be made through Demand Draft in favour of “Army Central Welfare Fund” payable at New Delhi and forwarded to the under mentioned address :-

Director, Accounts Section
Ceremonials and Welfare Directorate
Adjutant Generals Branch
Room No 281-‘B’ (Accts Sec)
Integrated HQ of MoD (Army)
South Block, New Delhi – 110011

Alternatively, the amount can also be sent directly in the account of Army Central Welfare Fund under intimation to the above office as per the details of Bank Account given below :-

Name of Fund: Army Central Welfare Fund

Account No: 020500101007721
Type of Account: Saving
Bank: Corporation Bank
Branch: Chandni Chowk, Delhi - 110006
IFSC Code: CORP0000205

The contribution towards Army Central Welfare Fund is 100% exempted from income Tax vide clause (III HC) of Section 80-G of Income Tax Act 1961.

Armuan · Post by **Armuan** » 19 Jun 2020 18:34

Thank you Manish-ji.

Armuan · Post by **Armuan** » 19 Jun 2020 18:38

samirdiw wrote:We continue to see this MO happen due to our refusal or even a threat to pound their construction or their men squatting on the site while they have no qualms to do so.
In doklam after we initially tried to dig up the road and put boots on ground they brought in heavy artillery and threatened to pound us. After talks concluded what was the end result, we moved back, didnt break up their road down with artillery and now they have only fortified the road there. End result their position is fortified just outside from where we stood.
Now the reversal situation here, they landed on site, but we refuse to rain down artillery on their positions or even threaten to.
Net result the only side positions extremely fortified up to the line of new claim is theirs.The 2 sides are not going to be standing nose to nose so effectively they have created a new wall.
This is already teaching us a lesson that until we use artillery to create a no mans land equidistant from the border(dont want to use this LAC invented nonsense) their positions are only getting stronger and creating a new headache with not much loss in man or material on their side and continuing to fortify their positions.

India and Pakistan cant do this nonsense to each other despite the size difference. What is our army/govts solution to this salami slicing? Why cant we rain a few artillary, leading to possibly some casualties on both sides and then call for talks like it happens with pakistan. Then they will get the message cant continue to construct roads and buildings upto the border.

Is the bolded part true?? So, the objective couldn't be sustained after all at Doklam? Other than standing up to the Chinese!! The eventually had their way? Or, is this a hearsay.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Jun 2020 18:55

They had aldready built up the road the wanted to build the road through our territory and to the southern part of Jamperi ridge, once salami sliced they wanted a road slowly to chicken's neck. They had to stop at Doklam

la.khan · Post by **la.khan** » 19 Jun 2020 19:30

Manish ji, thanks for posting the details where contributions could be made.

Admins: Can this info be made as a sticky/pinned post, perhaps in the Bharat Ke Veer thread?

The Army Welfare Fund Battle Casualties account has been opened at Syndicate Bank’s Defence Headquarters Branch, South Block, New Delhi. The IFSC Code is SYNB0009055 and the account number 90552010165915.

Alternatively, the amount can also be sent directly in the account of Army Central Welfare Fund under intimation to the above office as per the details of Bank Account given below :-

Name of Fund: Army Central Welfare Fund

Account No: 020500101007721
Type of Account: Saving
Bank: Corporation Bank
Branch: Chandni Chowk, Delhi - 110006
IFSC Code: CORP0000205

The contribution towards Army Central Welfare Fund is 100% exempted from income Tax vide clause (III HC) of Section 80-G of Income Tax Act 1961.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 19 Jun 2020 19:35

In case anyone has the medical condition of low blood pressure:-

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1273970593579196419

All party meeting with PM over India-China border issues: CPI's D Raja said "we need to resist US efforts to drag us into their alliance" and CPI(M)'s Sitaram Yechuri stressed on the principles of Panchsheel.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 19 Jun 2020 19:36

Armuan wrote:
samirdiw wrote:We continue to see this MO happen due to our refusal or even a threat to pound their construction or their men squatting on the site while they have no qualms to do so.
In doklam after we initially tried to dig up the road and put boots on ground they brought in heavy artillery and threatened to pound us. After talks concluded what was the end result, we moved back, didnt break up their road down with artillery and now they have only fortified the road there. End result their position is fortified just outside from where we stood.
Is the bolded part true?? So, the objective couldn't be sustained after all at Doklam? Other than standing up to the Chinese!! The eventually had their way? Or, is this a hearsay.

It would help to educate yourself about Doklam. The position the Chinese hold belongs to Bhutan. Unless Bhutan raises the issue with them, nothing much we can do. Bhutan may be our protectorate and we may be its security guarantors but (i) our successive regimes of the past have failed to intercede on Bhutan's behalf and (ii) Bhutan itself doesn't place much importance to the location - it's of little interest to them but Jhamperi ridge and across is our territory and strategically important to us. Given the facts on the ground, we did what we had to do.

Armuan · Post by **Armuan** » 19 Jun 2020 19:55

Thanks, I am aware. It was not fully clear to me from Samir's post earlier. He helped clarify.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 19 Jun 2020 20:03

Another version recieved which further amplifies the valour of the Indian Army Battalion.

In the army, a CO is someone next to your father. He instructs you, motivates you, punishes you but in the end, he wishes to see you doing great service to the nation, wishes to see you excel. Some COs are not celebrated like others but those who are can bring down or hold a government to ransom on merely issuing a single order to their platoons.
One such Colonel of Bihar Regiment was killed by deception when he went to a meeting that aimed to de-escalate the tension.
Around sixty soldiers of the Bihar regiment went on a rampage upon hearing their father figure like CO was killed in such a manner. Despite strict orders issued from the command center, they intruded into the border and rained down one of the most wildly fearsome attacks of primitive fight methods, without guns blazing, you will ever witness in modern military history on the backtracking PLA platoon that couldn’t make out what hit their sorry souls. At least fifteen PLA soldiers were left with their necks snapped, dangling from their body, few had their vertebrae broken indicating massive force being exerted on their bodies pointing to a gruesome frontal assault and few had their faces charred probably stoned heavily. Some of those PLA soldiers were thrown in the gorge nearby and in this melee, few of our soldiers went down as well. The Indian soldiers who came back and narrated this were excited to tell how they heard PLA soldiers screaming at high pitched girly voices.
Few Indian soldiers whose body were later returned had their guts spilling out probably while the lucky ones managed to escape in nearby mountains when PLA troops multiplied, after being informed from their squadron about the attack who came back only to see a pool of bodies lying, and relieved the lying Indian soldiers there from their pain. A figure much bigger than reported 43, can be 100 easily if not 150. Some of Biharis are believed to be joined by Ghatak troops or Mountain Corps Strike (unconfirmed so far) because if you see the attack and injury style, it has Ghatak written all over it. While some Biharis managed to come back screaming in pain; at the same time, they were at peace and continuously chanting war cries to have avenged their fallen commander.
Now the silence is all over the camp but the next batch of soldiers are pumped up if the situation be. Few soldiers have been airlifted to army hospitals, while they have their morales high; they miss their commander in chief and comrades. Sentiment across PLA is furious and battalions are ready for a full-fledged war but top commanders aren’t willing upon seeing the ratio of damage. They held another meeting after the attack in which some of our soldiers went secretly armed with khukuri and other objects but gladly that meeting went without a repeat of the last event. The tone of PLA Colonel was sympathetic and he was willing to restore the status quo. And let me tell you one more thing, a lot of other things happened on many points throughout the Indo-China border. I think that's enough information for a civilian...and rest you will hear from conspiracy theory pages soon.
Few years down the line, when the history is being written I hope it will be actual and kind to the tremendous and ferocious guts which Biharis showed that night of 15th Jun in 2020 in the icy cold plateau of Galwan that sent the imperialist Chinese army into a state of reconciliation, yeah the same army that captured and annexed Tibet/Xinjiang/Aksai Chin/Mongolian parts by force and blood, the very same army is compromising a position for safety and return of status quo.

Times that we live in.
Hara hara Mahadev

Got this from a friend who is in fauj

Sanju · Post by **Sanju** » 19 Jun 2020 20:07

This was posted in the last page from a twitter account.

ragupta · Post by **ragupta** » 19 Jun 2020 20:10

Cong Kargil Neta Zakir Hussain's 'pro-China' Conversation Caught On Tape; BJP Attacks
https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... aught.html

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 19 Jun 2020 20:14

CHINA’S STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT OF THE LADAKH CLASH

China aiming for what it achieved in the 1962 war.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/06/china ... akh-clash/

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 19 Jun 2020 20:15

Any outcome from the all party meeting?

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 19 Jun 2020 20:21

Sonugn wrote:In case anyone has the medical condition of low blood pressure:-

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1273970593579196419

All party meeting with PM over India-China border issues: CPI's D Raja said "we need to resist US efforts to drag us into their alliance" and CPI(M)'s Sitaram Yechuri stressed on the principles of Panchsheel.

Good that they continue to prove that panchsheel signer was in pockets of many from British to Chinese.

khan · Post by **khan** » 19 Jun 2020 20:23

Rony wrote:CHINA’S STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT OF THE LADAKH CLASH

China aiming for what it achieved in the 1962 war.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/06/china ... akh-clash/

Interesting article. I think they will only settle the border after an unsettled border becomes more a liability for them than us.

It feels like this year is an inflection point, if we can get through this year without losing any land, the tide will start turning.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 19 Jun 2020 20:25

ragupta wrote:Cong Kargil Neta Zakir Hussain's 'pro-China' Conversation Caught On Tape; BJP Attacks
https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... aught.html

Shameful - he should be hung for treason!

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 19 Jun 2020 20:28

In the Galwan sector, China has advanced about 4.5 km. The LAC was 5 km from the DBO road. At the time of the clash the PLA had advanced to within 500-700 meters on the other side of the Shyok river. Also there are numerous positions 1-2 kms behind that forward position and then about 100 vehicles 5 kms behind. When the PLA descended into the valley, actually more of a narrow, steep sided gorge, they were in a death trap. One FAE bomb dropped on them would have turned up 1000-2000 Kung Fu boiled chicken, ready to eat for the birds. But China knows that India will scrupulously follow the letter of the law and respect the no firing agreement. So they came down into the valley with impunity. And as of today they have a mass of troops a few hundred meters from the DBO road, ready to surge forward and cut off the road. No doubt India will counter attack and may reclaim the road, but the assured safety of that road has been compromised, because the PLA can disrupt that road at will at a time of their choosing.

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Jun 2020 20:33

The Chinese are behind PP14, which is around 4KM from Shyok. They are no where near Shyok.

The reason they want PP14 is because it allows direct line of sight towards DBO road. It is a L shaped valley, turning right at PP14.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 19 Jun 2020 20:34

ldev wrote:In the Galwan sector, China has advanced about 4.5 km. The LAC was 5 km from the DBO road. At the time of the clash the PLA had advanced to within 500-700 meters on the other side of the Shyok river. Also there are numerous positions 1-2 kms behind that forward position and then about 100 vehicles 5 kms behind. When the PLA descended into the valley, actually more of a narrow, steep sided gorge, they were in a death trap. One FAE bomb dropped on them would have turned up 1000-2000 Kung Fu boiled chicken, ready to eat for the birds. But China knows that India will scrupulously follow the letter of the law and respect the no firing agreement. So they came down into the valley with impunity. And as of today they have a mass of troops a few hundred meters from the DBO road, ready to surge forward and cut off the road. No doubt India will counter attack and may reclaim the road, but the assured safety of that road has been compromised, because the PLA can disrupt that road at will at a time of their choosing.

Fact or conjecture?

khan · Post by **khan** » 19 Jun 2020 20:35

ldev wrote:In the Galwan sector, China has advanced about 4.5 km. The LAC was 5 km from the DBO road. At the time of the clash the PLA was a 500-700 meters away on the other side of the Shyok river plus numerous positions 1-2 kms behind that forward position and then about 100 vehicles 5 kms behind. When the PLA descended into the valley, actually more of a narrow, steep sided gorge, they were in a death trap. One FAE bomb dropped on them would have turned up 1000-2000 Kung Fu boiled chicken, ready to eat for the birds. But China knows that India will scrupulously follow the letter of the law and respect the no firing agreement. So they came down into the valley with impunity. And as of today they have a mass of troops a few hundred meters from the DBO road, ready to surge forward and cut off the road. No doubt India will counter attack and may reclaim the road, but the assured safety of that road has been compromised, because the PLA can disrupt that road at will at a time of their choosing.

As you pointed out, squatting in the bottom of a valley is not a defensible position, they can’t stay there forever. They are in a peculiar position, follow ROE & attack India (climbing up a valley) - they will get carved by Ghatak forces, break the ROE & becomes Chop Suey.

I think more significant is IA has finished building this bridge which will allow IA to now threaten them on their side https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... river.html

This whole drama was done to prevent this bridge from going up.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 19 Jun 2020 20:36

nam wrote:The Chinese are behind PP14, which is around 4KM from Shyok. They are no where near Shyok.

The reason they want PP14 is because it allows direct line of sight towards DBO road. It is a L shaped valley, turning right at PP14.

This is the Reuters satellite photo of June 16, the day after the clash. The red dots are Chinese vehicles, structures. Look at the map scale and see the distance to the first cluster of red dots. The second big red cluster of 100 PLA vehicles is where the LAC is. So yes, that major PLA force is where the LAC is, 4-5 km away. The purple dots are Indian vehicles and positions.

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Jun 2020 20:38

The standoff must have been to disrupt our road building exercise for the summer and then go back to status quo in winter.. repeat again next year..

But things went haywire. For all those people who say Chinese are great planner.. based on what we have seen they are complete idiots.

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Jun 2020 20:40

ldev wrote: This is the Reuters satellite photo of June 16, the day after the clash. The red dots are Chinese vehicles, structures. Look at the map scale and see the distance to the first cluster of red dots. The second big red cluster of 100 PLA vehicles is where the LAC is. So yes, that major PLA force is where the LAC is, 4-5 km away. The purple dots are Indian vehicles and positions.

What you have market "D" of DBO road is actually PP14. DBO road is to the west 4KM from that "D"

debadutta · Post by **debadutta** » 19 Jun 2020 20:41

https://mobile.twitter.com/SJha1618/sta ... 7646328833
Only 5-10 killed as per Saurav Jha

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 19 Jun 2020 20:41

ks_sachin wrote:
ldev wrote:In the Galwan sector, China has advanced about 4.5 km. The LAC was 5 km from the DBO road. At the time of the clash the PLA had advanced to within 500-700 meters on the other side of the Shyok river. Also there are numerous positions 1-2 kms behind that forward position and then about 100 vehicles 5 kms behind. When the PLA descended into the valley, actually more of a narrow, steep sided gorge, they were in a death trap. One FAE bomb dropped on them would have turned up 1000-2000 Kung Fu boiled chicken, ready to eat for the birds. But China knows that India will scrupulously follow the letter of the law and respect the no firing agreement. So they came down into the valley with impunity. And as of today they have a mass of troops a few hundred meters from the DBO road, ready to surge forward and cut off the road. No doubt India will counter attack and may reclaim the road, but the assured safety of that road has been compromised, because the PLA can disrupt that road at will at a time of their choosing.
Fact or conjecture?

Look at the Reuters map I posted in my post above. Until a newer satellite photo is circulated in the media we have to assume they will stay put. If they retreat to where the 100 vehicles are, then yes, they are back to the LAC as it was in late April.

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Jun 2020 20:43

Here is Galwan valley on our side of LAC.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7623393 ... a=!3m1!1e3

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 19 Jun 2020 20:45

nam wrote:
ldev wrote: This is the Reuters satellite photo of June 16, the day after the clash. The red dots are Chinese vehicles, structures. Look at the map scale and see the distance to the first cluster of red dots. The second big red cluster of 100 PLA vehicles is where the LAC is. So yes, that major PLA force is where the LAC is, 4-5 km away. The purple dots are Indian vehicles and positions.

What you have market "D" of DBO road is actually PP14. DBO road is to the west 4KM from that "D"

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archi ... oad-762332

On the map this road next to the Shyok is called the SSN road. Read the article above. This section of the DBO road is in Sub Sector North and is called the SSN road.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Jun 2020 20:45

ldev wrote:In the Galwan sector, China has advanced about 4.5 km. The LAC was 5 km from the DBO road. At the time of the clash the PLA had advanced to within 500-700 meters on the other side of the Shyok river. Also there are numerous positions 1-2 kms behind that forward position and then about 100 vehicles 5 kms behind. When the PLA descended into the valley, actually more of a narrow, steep sided gorge, they were in a death trap. One FAE bomb dropped on them would have turned up 1000-2000 Kung Fu boiled chicken, ready to eat for the birds. But China knows that India will scrupulously follow the letter of the law and respect the no firing agreement. So they came down into the valley with impunity. And as of today they have a mass of troops a few hundred meters from the DBO road, ready to surge forward and cut off the road. No doubt India will counter attack and may reclaim the road, but the assured safety of that road has been compromised, because the PLA can disrupt that road at will at a time of their choosing.

Aren’t they sitting inside a death trap? Is it really so smart to be stationed inside the gorge?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Jun 2020 20:47

debadutta wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/SJha1618/sta ... 7646328833
Only 5-10 killed as per Saurav Jha

I think that is only from the initial Galwan skirmish. The other counter attack at night accounted for most of chini casualties as per other accounts.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 19 Jun 2020 20:49

eklavya wrote:
ldev wrote:In the Galwan sector, China has advanced about 4.5 km. The LAC was 5 km from the DBO road. At the time of the clash the PLA had advanced to within 500-700 meters on the other side of the Shyok river. Also there are numerous positions 1-2 kms behind that forward position and then about 100 vehicles 5 kms behind. When the PLA descended into the valley, actually more of a narrow, steep sided gorge, they were in a death trap. One FAE bomb dropped on them would have turned up 1000-2000 Kung Fu boiled chicken, ready to eat for the birds. But China knows that India will scrupulously follow the letter of the law and respect the no firing agreement. So they came down into the valley with impunity. And as of today they have a mass of troops a few hundred meters from the DBO road, ready to surge forward and cut off the road. No doubt India will counter attack and may reclaim the road, but the assured safety of that road has been compromised, because the PLA can disrupt that road at will at a time of their choosing.
Aren’t they sitting inside a death trap? Is it really so smart to be stationed inside the gorge?

Ironic isn't it. They are so sure that India plays by the Queensbury rules that they are willing to bet their lives on it. It would be funny in other circumstances.

khan · Post by **khan** » 19 Jun 2020 20:52

debadutta wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/SJha1618/sta ... 7646328833
Only 5-10 killed as per Saurav Jha

To me Saurav Jha is the best analyst out there. He says things Jingos don’t like to hear, takes a lot of abuse for it & has ended up right so far.

His twitter feed is not pretty.

bharathp · Post by **bharathp** » 19 Jun 2020 20:53

ldev wrote:
eklavya wrote:
Aren’t they sitting inside a death trap? Is it really so smart to be stationed inside the gorge?
Ironic isn't it. They are so sure that India plays by the Queensbury rules that they are willing to bet their lives on it. It would be funny in other circumstances.

is it because we play by the rules or is it because we wont show the political will to fight it out.
even if we lose, I would prefer a fight to lose - so there is a cost associated with land grabbing.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 19 Jun 2020 20:54

khan wrote:
ldev wrote:In the Galwan sector, China has advanced about 4.5 km. The LAC was 5 km from the DBO road. At the time of the clash the PLA was a 500-700 meters away on the other side of the Shyok river plus numerous positions 1-2 kms behind that forward position and then about 100 vehicles 5 kms behind. When the PLA descended into the valley, actually more of a narrow, steep sided gorge, they were in a death trap. One FAE bomb dropped on them would have turned up 1000-2000 Kung Fu boiled chicken, ready to eat for the birds. But China knows that India will scrupulously follow the letter of the law and respect the no firing agreement. So they came down into the valley with impunity. And as of today they have a mass of troops a few hundred meters from the DBO road, ready to surge forward and cut off the road. No doubt India will counter attack and may reclaim the road, but the assured safety of that road has been compromised, because the PLA can disrupt that road at will at a time of their choosing.
As you pointed out, squatting in the bottom of a valley is not a defensible position, they can’t stay there forever. They are in a peculiar position, follow ROE & attack India (climbing up a valley) - they will get carved by Ghatak forces, break the ROE & becomes Chop Suey.

I think more significant is IA has finished building this bridge which will allow IA to now threaten them on their side https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... river.html

This whole drama was done to prevent this bridge from going up.

What are these mythical Ghatak forces?

It is defendable. Do we dominate the heights? They can stay and do you think they will keep it like that. Because they can see the bridge the first sign of a threat they will try to blow it up no?

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Jun 2020 20:55

There’s only one way out of the gorge, and we can train a hundred guns on that area. I’m also expecting landslides to happen, what with the Chinese farting inside the gorge, etc. So, if they want to surge towards the road, we should invite them to do so.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 19 Jun 2020 20:58

eklavya wrote:There’s only one way out of the gorge, and we can train a hundred guns on that area. I’m also expecting landslides to happen, what with the Chinese farting inside the gorge, etc. So, if they want to surge towards the road, we should invite them to do so.

Actually they have built access roads down into the valley on their side. That is how they have got those 100 vehicles which include bulldozers and other earth moving machinery down to the river bed. So they can go back the way they came. But if India decides to take the intiative and attack with artillery or preferably FAE explosive, they will have not time to run back, but will be cooked.