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Postby Rony » 08 Jun 2020 16:49

Iran and Turkey both claim they have the most combat drones in the middle east.

Inside Iran's massive drone army. Iran's media : We have most combat drones in Middle East.

Fars News says that in parallel to the drone development and industrial base the IRGC Air Research and Self-Sufficiency Jihad Research Center. Which helps build ballistic missiles, was also set to work researching better combat drones. This “led to the birth of the Shahed family of drones.” The Shahed 121, for instance, flew over the USS Harry Truman in January 2016 and came near the French Aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle. The French sent a helicopter to monitor the drone. It apparently buzzed the French frigate FS Provence and USS Bulkeley.

Iran calls the Shahed 121 a reconnaissance drone. It could fly for 10 hours with a speed of 180km/hr and weight 30kg. Then the Iranians built the Shahed 129, modelled on the US Predator drone and first flown in 2012. Iran says Sadid smart bombs can be put on their Shahed 129 and it can fly up to 1,700km. This would mean it can go further than a Predator. It can supposedly climb to 24,000 feet. Guided from satellites it might be able to carry 100kg of munitions, the Iranians say.

Iran also built the Shahed 171 or Simorgh drone, sometime after 2010 and the Shahed 191, which is also called the Saegeh-2. This was a “new chapter in the development of the IRGC Air Force drone capability,” Iran says. It was in 2011 that Iran downed a US RQ-170 Sentinel, known as the so-called “beast of Kandahar” because of sightings of it in Afghanistan. Iran reverse engineered the US spy drone and built its own models, which they claimed was based on the most advanced US technology. Iran brags about this copying of the US drone and says that its “Jihad Self Sufficiency” helped it make it even more modern. “It became a force.” The Shahed-191 incorporates electronic warfare, they say, and it is slightly smaller than the US model. The Iranians put a turbojet on it so it can reach speeds of 300 km/hr for 4.5 hours with a range of 450 km and a ceiling of 40,000 feet. It can only carry a 50kg payload though. Fars News says that’s enough for two Sadid smart bombs.

“The distinctive feature of this drone is its tactical nature.” It can be mounted on a vehicle and doesn’t need a runway. The vehicle, by driving fast, supposedly gives it enough lift to gain initial altitude, at which time the engine is switched on, sort of like in the us film Back-to-the-Future. Iran says the Saegeh drone, which model it isn’t clear, has a propeller instead of the turbojet and can carry four Sadid smart bombs. It is also launched from a vehicle. “All it requires is a flat surface for a car to drive on, even the streets of a city.” The article mentioned a “Shahed 178” model that has not been mentioned before, and says it is used for reconnaissance.

The article also references a Shahed 133, which Iran says was developed secretly with “no official information being released.” According to other foreign sources online Iran actually tried to copy images of an Israeli Hermes 450. The Fars News report even gives a close up of how Iran armed what they call the Shahed 133. Supposedly it is also vehicle launched.

“This is only one example of our country’s UAVs. The Shahed family have been developed by the IRGC Air Force.” It is the IRGC Aerospace head Amir ali Hajizadeh who is credited with unveiling this strategy. He has held the same position since 2009, so he was a key player behind building and revers engineering US drones and apparently seeking to model Iran’s drone arm on Israel’s own success in this sphere. Hajizadeh unveiled a military “strategy,” behind the drones, the reports say.

Drones alone do not succeed on the battlefield, but incorporating combat drones as a form of “mass assault”, such as using fast attack boats, can “encircle the enemy at different angles.” Indeed it seems the drone arm, like the naval arm is seeking this kind of swarm tactic. Iran used 25 drones and cruise missiles to strike at Saudi Arabia’s key oil facility in September 2019. It has used fast boats to harass the US. Iran’s drone strategy was formulated as recently as 2017 with the Bayt al-Maqdis operations that Iran conducted in the Persian Gulf. These “road to Jerusalem” drills used around 50 UAVs including the Shahed 129, Shahed 133, Shahed 191 and others.

The report says that the drones were used in a group and practiced air raids near the Farur island, sometimes called Farvar island, near the Straits of Hormuz, off of Bandar-e-Divan. The concept of this drill was to bring together drones from Khuzestan, Fars, Bushehr and Hormozgan to show they could fly as far as 1,200 kilometers and strike the island. Iran measured the accuracy of the bombs used.

The drone industry in Iran is one of the military industries often in the news for new deliveries to units. The sheer number of drones, increasing ranges and recent tests with various types of munitions, including the drones that are basically kamikaze weapons, or what is called a “loitering munition,” show that Iran intends to use these for massed attacks in the future.

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Postby Mollick.R » 04 Jul 2020 12:47

Report: Israeli cyberattack caused Iran nuclear site fire, F35s hit missile base
By JUDAH ARI GROSS , 3 July 2020, 2:08 pm

Israel was responsible for two blasts at Iranian facilities — one related to uranium enrichment, the other for missile production — over the past week, a Kuwaiti newspaper reported Friday.

The Al-Jareeda daily cited an unnamed senior source as saying that an Israeli cyberattack caused a fire and explosion at the largely underground Natanz nuclear enrichment facility in the predawn hours of Thursday morning.
According to the source, this was expected to set back Iran’s nuclear enrichment program by approximately two months.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-israeli-cyberattack-caused-iran-nuclear-site-fire-f35s-hit-missile-base/
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Postby Mollick.R » 04 Jul 2020 13:04

Israel behind blast in Iran's Parchin, Natanz site 'incident': report
i24NEWSJuly 03, 2020, 01:09 PMlatest revision July 03, 2020, 09:17 PM


Alleged strikes said to have all but depleted Iran's stock of key gas needed for uranium enrichment

Last week's blast in Iran's Parchin military complex and Thursday's "incident" at the Natanz nuclear site were Israel's work, Kuwaiti al-Jarida newspaper revealed on Friday.

The newspaper cites a "senior security source" -- not specifying the country or security service the source works for -- as saying that the explosion in the vicinity of the Parchin complex, a major weapons R&D and manufacturing center, was the result of an airstrike conducted by Israeli F-35 stealth jet.

The jet reached its target without refueling in Gulf states, the newspaper added.

The fire at Natanz, reported by Tehran Thursday, was in its turn the effect of a cyberattack aimed at gas compression controls, al-Jarida said, adding the blast made a "crack" in the reactor building.

Both attacks were supposedly aimed at Iran's stock of UF6 (uranium hexafluoride) gas -- a key component of uranium enrichment process for both reactor fuel and weapons.

The alleged strikes resulted in Iran losing over 80 percent of its UF6 reserves, the newspaper says, which would greatly slow down Tehran's enrichment ambitions.

According to Iran's own official accounts, the Natanz site saw a warehouse under construction sustain minor damage during an "incident" that was now under investigation. The blast at the Parchin site -- which, according to Western media reports, may have actually occurred at a nearby Khojir military complex -- was explained by a "gas explosion."

Earlier, the newspaper also reported that the Parchin blast was caused by a cyberattack as well.


https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/1593761855-israel-behind-blast-in-iran-s-parchin-natanz-site-incident-report

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Postby Mollick.R » 04 Jul 2020 13:06

Iran threatens retaliation after what it calls possible cyber attack on nuclear site

WORLD NEWSJULY 3, 2020 / 7:59 PM / UPDATED 7 HOURS AGO

DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran will retaliate against any country that carries out cyber attacks on its nuclear sites, the head of civilian defence said, after a fire at its Natanz plant which some Iranian officials said may have been caused by cyber sabotage.

The Natanz uranium-enrichment site, much of which is underground, is one of several Iranian facilities monitored by inspectors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the U.N. nuclear watchdog.

Iran’s top security body said on Friday the cause of the “incident” at the nuclear site had been determined, but “due to security considerations” it would be announced at a convenient time.

Iran’s Atomic Energy Organisation initially reported an “incident” had occurred early on Thursday at Natanz, located in the desert in the central province of Isfahan.

It later published a photo of a one-storey brick building with its roof and walls partly burned. A door hanging off its hinges suggested there had been an explosion inside the building.

“Responding to cyber attacks is part of the country’s defence might. If it is proven that our country has been targeted by a cyber attack, we will respond,” civil defence chief Gholamreza Jalali told state TV late on Thursday.

An article issued on Thursday by state news agency IRNA addressed what it called the possibility of sabotage by enemies such as Israel and the United States, although it stopped short of accusing either directly.

“So far Iran has tried to prevent intensifying crises and the formation of unpredictable conditions and situations,” IRNA said. “But the crossing of red lines of the Islamic Republic of Iran by hostile countries, especially the Zionist regime and the U.S., means that strategy ... should be revised.”

SUSPICIONS
Three Iranian officials who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity said they believed the fire was the result of a cyber attack, but did not cite any evidence.

One of the officials said the attack had targeted a centrifuge assembly building, referring to the delicate cylindrical machines that enrich uranium, and said Iran’s enemies had carried out similar acts in the past.

In 2010, the Stuxnet computer virus, which is widely believed to have been developed by the United States and Israel, was discovered after it was used to attack the Natanz facility.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-natanz/iran-threatens-retaliation-after-what-it-calls-possible-cyber-attack-on-nuclear-site-idUSKBN2441VY

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Postby Y I Patel » 05 Jul 2020 01:54

^^^ possible that Spice might have been used?

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Postby Rony » 13 Jul 2020 06:06

And there goes all our investments in Chabahar. Iran showing its true colors.

China, Iran deal eyes a future decoupled from US

Should China undertake such a massive long-term investment in Iran, it is very likely that Beijing will take over the strategic Iranian port of Chahbahar — the country’s outlet to the Indian Ocean.

The port enjoys a waiver from US sanctions imposed on Iran, which was granted as a nod to India’s ambitions for the port. In Tehran’s view, New Delhi has squandered that opportunity by effectively siding with the US on oil sanctions and failing to make adequate investments in the port.

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Postby Aditya_V » 13 Jul 2020 10:09

This is good, it will be the Pakis and Arabs in a quandary. Best thing that can happen is an open alliance between China-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey alliance. Such an alliance will ruffle too many feathers and will make force the hand of many.

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Postby nandakumar » 13 Jul 2020 10:20

Rony wrote:And there goes all our investments in Chabahar. Iran showing its true colors.

China, Iran deal eyes a future decoupled from US

Should China undertake such a massive long-term investment in Iran, it is very likely that Beijing will take over the strategic Iranian port of Chahbahar — the country’s outlet to the Indian Ocean.

The port enjoys a waiver from US sanctions imposed on Iran, which was granted as a nod to India’s ambitions for the port. In Tehran’s view, New Delhi has squandered that opportunity by effectively siding with the US on oil sanctions and failing to make adequate investments in the port.

The entire deal hinges on Iran paying for all the investments through oil sales. Can China overtly defy US sanctions and import oil? A recent May news report indicated a decline in Chinese imports. The Chinese are busting the sanctions to some extent by ship to ship transfers in high seas. These impose additional costs besides reducing the quantity of imports. There is no way ship to shop transfers can completely substitute for port based loading of ULCC vessels with all the infrastructure in place at the ports..

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Postby Prem » 13 Jul 2020 11:14

Aditya_V wrote:This is good, it will be the Pakis and Arabs in a quandary. Best thing that can happen is an open alliance between China-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey alliance. Such an alliance will ruffle too many feathers and will make force the hand of many.

This will open up the possibility of freeing all of Baluchistan from both Iran and Pakistan .

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Postby pankajs » 13 Jul 2020 15:50

https://twitter.com/d_extrovert/status/ ... 9143485440
Kunal Singh @d_extrovert

Three blasts in three weeks in Iran: first at the country's largest missile production facility, second at a centrifuge assembly base, and third at a chemical weapons research and a military production site

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/worl ... osion.html

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Postby Mollick.R » 14 Jul 2020 11:44

Iran drops India from Chabahar rail line project amid China's multi-billion dollar deal
Last Updated : Jul 14, 2020 10:37 AM IST | Source: Moneycontrol.com

Iran has dropped India from a railway project linking the Chabahar port to Zahedan city, citing delays from the Indian side in funding and starting the construction, according to reports.

India and Iran had signed an agreement four years ago to construct a 628-kiolmetre railway line from the strategically vital port to Zahedan, along the border with Afghanistan. The Iranian government has reportedly decided to go ahead with the construction on its own.

According to a report by The Hindu, Iran’s Transport and Urban Development Minister Mohammad Eslami inaugurated the track-laying process last week for the line. The line will be extended to Zaranj across the border in Afghanistan.

The newspaper report cites officials as saying that the entire project would be completed by March 2022, and that Iranian Railways will proceed without India’s assistance. The country would use approximately $400 million from the Iranian National Development Fund.

This comes amid China finalising a 25-year, $400 billion strategic partnership deal with Iran.

Chabahar is the only seaport Iran has in its energy-rich Sistan-Balochistan province by the Gulf of Oman and consists of two ports with five berths each. The port is a counter to Pakistan's Gwadar port which is being developed with the Chinese investment.

The port, inaugurated in December 2017, has opened a new strategic route connecting Iran with India and Afghanistan bypassing Pakistan.

In December 2017, India took over the operations of port and commissioned the second port this January, marking the country's maritime entry into a foreign land.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/iran-drops-india-from-chabahar-rail-line-project-amid-chinas-multi-billion-dollar-deal-5544661.html

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Postby Philip » 14 Jul 2020 15:58

Another great opportunity lost! THE PMO must take immediate rectification action to ensure our Indo- Iranian strategic interests do not suffer despite the PRC''s huge deal. Our dithering in Iran just as we did in Sri Lanka,lost us the island.
It will be incredibly ironic if Iran dumps us into the Persian Gulf and hands over Chah Bahar to the PRC! Imagine Indian tanker shipping running the gauntlet of the Gulf! Are our mandarins and advisers,the " wise men" so cretinous to endanger Indo- Iranian relations thus? Once the PRC squats mllitarily in Iran, India will be in a great fix in countering PRC aggression in the Himalayas by opening a maritime front in the IOR. Will we have the b...s to attack PRC naval assets on Iranian soil,or will we still hope that the Israelis and Yanquis will do it for us?!

Great accomplishments for the MEA,Give the lot Padma awards for dereliction of duty.Are they working for the PRC or for India? Yet another black mark on the PM's foreign policy record card.

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Postby pankajs » 14 Jul 2020 18:56

https://twitter.com/Aryanwarlord/status ... 4396594177
Ninjamonkey @Aryanwarlord

Fact is #India could never match the $400Bn pipedream #China is selling the #Iranian regime , we don't sell snake oil.
Any major realignment towards #China would weaken #Indian opposition to regime change in #Tehran .
#Iran is walking a tightrope here.
Plus a UNSC Veto plus votes in UNGA on issues of interest to Iran

https://twitter.com/abhish_31/status/12 ... 4667954182
It's well expected that soon India will lose the right to use Chabahar Port to transport material.

I've earlier also said that; once we are cut off from Chabahar, we shall lose Afghanistan forever.

India must work out it's threshold on Iran sooner.

I am not able to make up mind on this one. Both sides have merit to their case.

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Postby Philip » 14 Jul 2020 19:05

We've dithered on Chahbahar for years,thanks to pressure from the US,totally agsinst our sovereign jnterests.Iran alowed us to outflank Pak to access Afg. Now with the huge Chinese deal, as if wc couldn't place large oil shipments ourselves, we are now faced with the prospect of our oil supplies getting shafyed by China! Fantastic diplomacy from the For.Min.! Our China policyup in smoke, Nepal and Sri Lanka hostile,B 'desh upset with us,Burma tilting towards China with port access, still active in the Maldives, Africa an increasingly lost cause and now Iran.

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Postby pankajs » 14 Jul 2020 19:19

https://twitter.com/rachitseth/status/1 ... 0030584833
Rachit Seth @rachitseth

Iran drops India from Chabahar rail project

This is a diplomatic disaster of epic proportions! After losing our territory to China, we have lost a carefully cultivated ally in Iran, at least in the medium term.

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1282908667637927936
Abhijit Iyer-Mitra @Iyervval

When I visited Chahbahar a few years back the Indian complaint was “the Iranians keep stalling”. Even before that former ambassadors to Iran used to keep complaininv that Iranians would stall to use as leverage during on-off sanctions. White elephant from Day One.
I have heard/read Abhijit's view before too.
https://twitter.com/rachitseth/status/1 ... 9371830273
Rachit Seth @rachitseth

It is because we don’t push enough. We think on paper, tap ourselves on the back and implementation goes for a toss. What I know is that we made slow progress. But domestically kept publicising it. Take any big infra project which India has committed to lately. Snail progress.
https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1282912218346999809
Partially yes. Mostly this was the Iranians using it to offset the india-iran rupee/barter deal (which was in our favour) by dangling alternate access to Afg to keep us tied to them despite US sanctions.
No sanctions = no time for india, sanctions = india “prove your love”

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Postby nam » 14 Jul 2020 19:24

There will no extra investment in to Iran. Specially after the supreme leader shot off his mouth..

There is nothing worthwhile in Central Asia for which we need to go against US. The port will be used to send stuff to Afghanistan that's it. Iran makes transit money and Afghans get their wheat.

When we are looking for US support on China, why in the world will go with Iran and their nutcases.

Paks might think they have hit a jackpot... it will be funny to watch when US sanctions those "nation's jugular vein" F16 for grouping up with China & Iran!

We want the Paks in Iranian & China "to be hit with sanctions" camp.. not us.

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Postby yensoy » 14 Jul 2020 19:28

pankajs wrote:
Ninjamonkey @Aryanwarlord
I've earlier also said that; once we are cut off from Chabahar, we shall lose Afghanistan forever.
India must work out it's threshold on Iran sooner.

I am not able to make up mind on this one. Both sides have merit to their case.

We never had Afghanistan to begin with. It was always a tenuous relationship due to the access issues. Chabahar still isn't reality - besides it leads to southern Afghanistan which evidently is a world apart from Kabul and environs, with different factions in control.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2016/08/afghanistan-controls-160823083528213.html

Our loss isn't huge. Maybe this will pressure the Americans into sharing our view on Baluchistan and its rightful place as an independent entity. And by doubling down on Iran, the China-US rift becomes even clearer and durable to any regime change in the US. We can continue our cultural song-and-dance with Iran and Afghanistan as before. Afghans themselves will tighten the screws on the Pakis from the other side.

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Postby nvishal » 14 Jul 2020 19:31

Iran, Pakistan, Malaysia, afghanistan, turkey etc are mamluk states. Their Arab masters themselves have abandoned them which speaks volumes.

The Indian subcontinent is the immediate target on the map for their ghazwa pipedream. Ghazwa-e-china cannot begin before the fall of hind. The Chinese have their own ambitions to stake claim over global resources and markets, which is too complex for the mamluk states to comprehend.

Without the Arab overlord, the mamluks are mere pawns on a chessboard for anyone's taking.

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Postby chetak » 14 Jul 2020 19:33

Philip wrote:Another great opportunity lost! THE PMO must take immediate rectification action to ensure our Indo- Iranian strategic interests do not suffer despite the PRC''s huge deal. Our dithering in Iran just as we did in Sri Lanka,lost us the island.
It will be incredibly ironic if Iran dumps us into the Persian Gulf and hands over Chah Bahar to the PRC! Imagine Indian tanker shipping running the gauntlet of the Gulf! Are our mandarins and advisers,the " wise men" so cretinous to endanger Indo- Iranian relations thus? Once the PRC squats mllitarily in Iran, India will be in a great fix in countering PRC aggression in the Himalayas by opening a maritime front in the IOR. Will we have the b...s to attack PRC naval assets on Iranian soil,or will we still hope that the Israelis and Yanquis will do it for us?!

Great accomplishments for the MEA,Give the lot Padma awards for dereliction of duty.Are they working for the PRC or for India? Yet another black mark on the PM's foreign policy record card.


I have been expecting such eyeranian gaddri since the time the chabahar project got underway.

there have been plenty of indicators all along about which way the persian cat was going to jump and who would be its preferred collaborator.

India got suckered into investing in chabahar and operationalizing the port.

the eyeranians played us along for quite some time hoping that some Indian nuke tech would flow their way but that was never in the cards with India.

whereas with the hans, that will be on the very top of the list.

a nuke powered eyeran would pose an unimaginable threat to all the powers in this region including the US. With one fell swoop they would be in a position to threaten their "enemies" using eyeran as the front just like they use north korea.

The only one with the gumption in the region to tackle eyeran will be the israelis for whom a nuclearized eyeran will pose an existentialist threat.

the saudis will scream bloody murder but they will desperately hope that the US nuke umbrella will continue to cover them

oil from eyeran is the most logical source for chinese bound oil, easily bypassing shipping lanes and a source that will solely depend on pipelines laid overland via pakistan and going all the way to china.

all the coal fired thermal power stations now coming up in pukistan is actually meant to heat the oil pipelines so that the oil remains at a temperature warm enough to pump it. The "high price" of this power is to discourage the pakis from buying it so most of it is available for chinese use in pukistan

the cheeni power play in the ladakh region is now beginning to make sense and it is the major reason why they are so very upset with the removal of the art 370 in cashmere.

India's reaction and the world support for Indian actions in the face of cheeni aggression has unnerved the CPC.

the cards that xi has chosen to reveal at this time will cost the hans tens of billion$ in the short term and much more in the medium term and they just cannot afford to lose that much at this point in time.

afghanistan is rumoured to have huge deposits of very scarce rare earth metals so the hans have made doubly sure that India is out of that wretched country for good.

eyeran also has an assured protector in the UNSC batting for it.

the only way forward now is to pack the UNSC with more veto enabled players and try to freeze the hans out.

exactly how that may play out is yet to be seen but it is surely on the minds of many countries to make sure that the hans don't keep pissing inside the tent and still benefit from their nefarious and malodorous activities.

This may well cause the amerikis to dig in and maintain a sizeable presence in afghanistan.

Let's wait and see.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby srin » 14 Jul 2020 22:02

I'm not very displeased by the situation. At least now we don't have to utter platitudes when their supreme leader openly opposes us on key strategic issues like Kashmir.
Given that Iran is more Baki than Bakistan, if it is going to go for Chinese investment - let's just say that going by past record, they deserve each other. Would be fun to see who is going to screw who.
At this point, given the issues we have with China, we should look at the so-called partners and ask them if they are with us or against us. It is good that Iran has made its choice known.

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Postby chetak » 15 Jul 2020 01:57

srin wrote:I'm not very displeased by the situation. At least now we don't have to utter platitudes when their supreme leader openly opposes us on key strategic issues like Kashmir.
Given that Iran is more Baki than Bakistan, if it is going to go for Chinese investment - let's just say that going by past record, they deserve each other. Would be fun to see who is going to screw who.
At this point, given the issues we have with China, we should look at the so-called partners and ask them if they are with us or against us. It is good that Iran has made its choice known.


at least, we don't have to buy a whole lot of their shitty oil anymore

but we will surely run into much more needling henceforth.

and these jokers will not have a whole lot to say about the hagia sophia becoming a mosque again with no sunni shia divide at play to color the situation :mrgreen:

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Postby Ambar » 15 Jul 2020 02:16

India has always been closer to GCC nations than Iran. We have a huge Indian diaspora in Gulf countries who together constitute the bulk of remittances to India. Indian diaspora in the Gulf have successfully established themselves in many fields helping India forge a good relationship with most if not all countries in the region. I come from a region where almost every family has someone who lives/works in the Gulf and in all my years i am yet to come across a single person who migrated to Iran for employment or better life. Its good we have an axis forming with China leading the parade of pariah nations including Pakistan, Turkey, North Korea, Venezuela and now Iran . India must do what's in India's interest and atleast the way things are shaping up its not a bad idea to be on the right side of the west+GCC at this stage. Ofcourse it doesn't mean that we have to antagonize Iran but just help them enough so they beat the pakis to pulp in Balochistan border once in a while, and pick up discounted oil if and when available.

Btw, i am genuinely curious how does China intend to guarantee its investment or seek returns ? Its not if but a matter of when their investments will vaporize from Africa to Srilanka , what then ? Will they send the mighty han army to physically take control of the ports or highways ? Will they drag these broken basket case nations to WTO ? What is their plan beyond throwing billions and seeing if it sticks ?

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Postby pankajs » 15 Jul 2020 16:57

One does not have to agree with Abhijit. Take the data and apply your own mind.

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1283224382102360064
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Jaishankar finally makes public, what Indian diplos have said privately for years - Iran never wanted us to complete ChahBahar, they were only using us as a pawn in their negotiations with the west over their nuclear programme & sponsorship of Terrorism

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 455469.ece
Chabahar port project delayed due to Iran: Jaishankar
There were a lot of problems as the Iranians kept changing the terms of the agreement: former Foreign Secretary

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby chetak » 15 Jul 2020 23:36

pankajs wrote:One does not have to agree with Abhijit. Take the data and apply your own mind.

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1283224382102360064
Abhijit Iyer-Mitra @Iyervval

Jaishankar finally makes public, what Indian diplos have said privately for years - Iran never wanted us to complete ChahBahar, they were only using us as a pawn in their negotiations with the west over their nuclear programme & sponsorship of Terrorism

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 455469.ece
Chabahar port project delayed due to Iran: Jaishankar
There were a lot of problems as the Iranians kept changing the terms of the agreement: former Foreign Secretary


like I said earlier and often.

India can never ever trust the ummah.

the fact that they could not islamize India beyond a point in the last so many hundreds of years, despite their best efforts rankles real bad.

this eyeran chinese package deal was a long time in the making and it surely includes transferring nuke missile and other tech to eyeran

now that India is once more back on her feet and in the running with her own in house developed nuke technology, it puts India beyond the grubby reach of all ummah

expect these slimeballs to quietly open a jehadi front in cashmere, in support of their slant eyed friends

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Cain Marko » 16 Jul 2020 13:46

Philip wrote:Another great opportunity lost! THE PMO must take immediate rectification action to ensure our Indo- Iranian strategic interests do not suffer despite the PRC''s huge deal. Our dithering in Iran just as we did in Sri Lanka,lost us the island.
It will be incredibly ironic if Iran dumps us into the Persian Gulf and hands over Chah Bahar to the PRC! Imagine Indian tanker shipping running the gauntlet of the Gulf! Are our mandarins and advisers,the " wise men" so cretinous to endanger Indo- Iranian relations thus? Once the PRC squats mllitarily in Iran, India will be in a great fix in countering PRC aggression in the Himalayas by opening a maritime front in the IOR. Will we have the b...s to attack PRC naval assets on Iranian soil,or will we still hope that the Israelis and Yanquis will do it for us?!

Great accomplishments for the MEA,Give the lot Padma awards for dereliction of duty.Are they working for the PRC or for India? Yet another black mark on the PM's foreign policy record card.


Easy Philip, this could work out in India's favor. This should lend urgency to freeing Balochistan and takiing back GB. The pull of justice is inevitable and it will inexorably push India into it's rightful position. The time has come for getting off the fence.

Time to be more creative in Afghanistan and Balochistan.

The Iranians were never trustworthy anyways and one could always count on them to backstab at the first opportunity. For eg. During CAA situation. Dump these jokers.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Lisa » 16 Jul 2020 13:59

Philip wrote:Another great opportunity lost! THE PMO must take immediate rectification action to ensure our Indo- Iranian strategic interests do not suffer despite the PRC''s huge deal. Our dithering in Iran just as we did in Sri Lanka,lost us the island.
It will be incredibly ironic if Iran dumps us into the Persian Gulf and hands over Chah Bahar to the PRC! Imagine Indian tanker shipping running the gauntlet of the Gulf! Are our mandarins and advisers,the " wise men" so cretinous to endanger Indo- Iranian relations thus? Once the PRC squats mllitarily in Iran, India will be in a great fix in countering PRC aggression in the Himalayas by opening a maritime front in the IOR. Will we have the b...s to attack PRC naval assets on Iranian soil,or will we still hope that the Israelis and Yanquis will do it for us?!

Great accomplishments for the MEA,Give the lot Padma awards for dereliction of duty.Are they working for the PRC or for India? Yet another black mark on the PM's foreign policy record card.


The money to be invested in these countries does not grow on trees. Indian taxpayers earn it and all Indian governments have a duty of care to these taxpayers and citizens first and not to some far away nation whose credentials are doubtful even on a good day. Show me a list of all that Iran has EVER done for India before discussing how this money should be spent in their nation.

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Postby Mollick.R » 16 Jul 2020 14:00

Twisted words by Shiyas

Iran dismisses report of 'dropping' India from Chabahar railway project
ANI | Jul 16, 2020, 09:21 IST

TEHRAN: Iran has refuted an Indian newspaper report claiming that New Delhi had been "dropped" from the Chabahar-Zahedan railway project.

One of the deputies to Iran's Ports and Maritime Organization, Farhad Montaser said the story was "totally false because Iran has not inked any deal with India regarding the Chabahar-Zahedan" railway, reported Al Jazeera on Wednesday. :?: :?: :?:

"Iran has only signed two agreements with Indians for investment in Chabahar: one is related to the port's machinery and equipment, and the second is related to India's investment to the tune of $150 million," Montaser was quoted by an Iran news agency.
He summed up by saying that "sanctions have nothing to do to Iran-India's cooperation in Chabahar".
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Full Report Here// TOI Link
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/iran-dismisses-report-of-dropping-india-from-chabahar-railway-project/articleshow/76991582.cms

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby chetak » 16 Jul 2020 15:02

Lisa wrote:
Philip wrote:Another great opportunity lost! THE PMO must take immediate rectification action to ensure our Indo- Iranian strategic interests do not suffer despite the PRC''s huge deal. Our dithering in Iran just as we did in Sri Lanka,lost us the island.
It will be incredibly ironic if Iran dumps us into the Persian Gulf and hands over Chah Bahar to the PRC! Imagine Indian tanker shipping running the gauntlet of the Gulf! Are our mandarins and advisers,the " wise men" so cretinous to endanger Indo- Iranian relations thus? Once the PRC squats mllitarily in Iran, India will be in a great fix in countering PRC aggression in the Himalayas by opening a maritime front in the IOR. Will we have the b...s to attack PRC naval assets on Iranian soil,or will we still hope that the Israelis and Yanquis will do it for us?!

Great accomplishments for the MEA,Give the lot Padma awards for dereliction of duty.Are they working for the PRC or for India? Yet another black mark on the PM's foreign policy record card.


The money to be invested in these countries does not grow on trees. Indian taxpayers earn it and all Indian governments have a duty of care to these taxpayers and citizens first and not to some far away nation whose credentials are doubtful even on a good day. Show me a list of all that Iran has EVER done for India before discussing how this money should be spent in their nation.


Lisa ji,

Your points are well taken.

The benign viewpoint on the eyeranians that is popular in the Indian public is a eyeran purchased mirage created by a jehadi and soldout media backed up by islamo facist presstitutes and lootyens con media and it's just like how they spin the narrative to favor the pakis with their foolish lootyen's litany of the woke WKK and their insidiously never ending "people to people contacts" refrain.

we have been mindful of the eyeranians because of our deliberately fallacious take on the shia sunni power play in India.

The shias simply cannot take on the sunnis at this time (or any other time) because of the sheer numbers and so eyeran or no eyeran, the shias of India desperately need the benign hand of the non partisan GoI to keep them safe.

The MEA specifically and the GoI in general have always known this aspect of the dubious Indo eyeranian narrative for many decades now and notwithstanding, have always chosen to publicly play the "ancient civilizational ties" meme. This has pacified our sold out media, not overly antagonized the much volatile and easily purchased (ideology or money) sunnis and sanitized the public perception in India to favor eyeran thus wilfully masking the devious eyeranian religio facist, batshit crazy mullahcracy, and jehadi ayatollah centric ruling elites.

For some time now, the GoI has known in advance what was going to happen and was powerless to stop it because the momentum was to great for them to turn the tide.

The result was a perceptible slowing down of Indian investments in eyeran as well as the much decreased off take of petroleum from them citing "ameriki sanctions" and this was a clear indication of the changed narrative that left the GoI with no other options.

what has happened to us now is what was always meant to be and its called taqiya. Deployed against the Hindus, it is a badge of honor.

I, for one, have always been very irritated by eyeran's constant breast beating, wailing and threats against India when we did not buy what was considered "adequate" quantity of their shitty oil.

The eyeranian mullahs who spoke out against India recently did so because they knew that the Indo eyeranian dealings were soon to end.

“The hearts of Muslims all over the world are grieving over the massacre of Muslims in India. The govt of India should confront extremist Hindus & their parties & stop the massacre of Muslims in order to prevent India’s isolation from the world of Islam,”’ Iranian Supreme leader Ayotollah Khamenei tweeted


“For centuries, Iran has been a friend of India. We urge Indian authorities to ensure the well-being of ALL Indians and not let senseless thuggery prevail. Path forward lies in peaceful dialogue and rule of law,” Iran’s foreign minister Javad Zarif tweeted


Its not surprising that these gutless mullahs have never ever spoken about xinjiang and the sorry fate of the uyghur. maybe for eyeranian supreme leader ayotollah khamenei, the uyghur is not of the world of islam

they have deliberately invited the ruthless and godless into their home. xinjiang and the sorry fate of the uyghur is a precursor to what is destined for a once thriving persian civilization.

In the end:

we don't know consequences of what Modi is doing.

But we do know the consequences if Modi had not done what he has done.

just let the chabahar fiasco play out to its destined endgame and cut your losses. It was never meant to be and India knew it well before hand.

Thanks to the ameriki led eyeran sanctions, we have widely diversified our petroleum supply chain, derisked by tying up with sources that will not all dry up, all at the same time, considering the rapidly changing international security, political and global situations and the as yet unseen but surely coming global headwinds that may not all be in our favor.

We need increased maritime security to protect our SLOCs and many more long endurance, long range naval platforms with the capacity to operate in a multi role environment with a marked emphasis for the submarine rather than the surface platforms

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Postby ricky_v » 18 Jul 2020 06:42

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/07/egypt-suez-canal-global-trade-iran-sea-route-competition.html
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The Iranian Chabahar Free Trade Zone Organization announced July 5 that trade connections to Mumbai, Hamburg and St. Petersburg will be made through Astrakhan (in Russia), Anzali and Chabahar (in Iran) and Nhava Sheva (in India) instead of the Suez Canal.

Safwat added that transport via the Iranian corridor goes through four stages, so the transportation cost is four times that of transportation via the Suez Canal. With regard to speed, he added, it takes 19 days to directly ship a container from India to Hamburg in Germany through the Suez Canal, compared to more than 20 days via the Iranian corridor. In other words, the Suez Canal is faster and cheaper, according to Safwat.

The SCA official pointed out that the Iranian international corridor is neither a competitor nor a substitute for the Egyptian Suez Canal, whose capacity exceeds 1 billion tons per year, unlike the Iranian corridor’s limited capacity, because its aim is to serve the trade of landlocked Asian countries and countries overlooking the Caspian Sea and it limits goods.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Anujan » 18 Jul 2020 07:23

pankajs wrote:One does not have to agree with Abhijit. Take the data and apply your own mind.

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1283224382102360064
Abhijit Iyer-Mitra @Iyervval

Jaishankar finally makes public, what Indian diplos have said privately for years - Iran never wanted us to complete ChahBahar, they were only using us as a pawn in their negotiations with the west over their nuclear programme & sponsorship of Terrorism

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 455469.ece
Chabahar port project delayed due to Iran: Jaishankar
There were a lot of problems as the Iranians kept changing the terms of the agreement: former Foreign Secretary


Iran is quite the unreliable ally, if you could call them an ally. Their supreme leader issues statements about JK. Anyone remember that they were constantly threatening India about IPI pipeline (saying they will complete the Iran-Pakistan part, pakistan will prosper and India will be left behind), all the while drawing out the price negotiations and asking for unreasonable terms?

Then they bombed a Israeli diplomat's wife's car in India. They actually did that in a ally at best and neutral country at worst territory.

The latest gambit about Chabahar is likely to be along the same vein, use it as a bargaining chip to threaten everyone.

In any case, China can offer Iran what India cannot
a) Clandestinely transfer missile technology
b) Provide veto in security council
c) Provide military security against invasion by stationing massive chinese presence and owning a lot of chinese infra in Iran

I wonder how Iranians square all that with concentration camps in Xingjiang that their new friend is building

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Postby Philip » 22 Jul 2020 05:58

This is a simplistic analysis that Iran has been playing us along. It has been under tremendous US led sanctions for decades, with the US now pulling out of the N-deal achieved with the EU after years of negotiations. On the contrary it is India that has been fickle in the relationship ,taking two steps forward and one strp back every time Uncle Sam farted in our direction sabotaging Indo- Iranian relations.Who stopped buying Iranian oil? We did.Iran never turned off the tap. Our goal of outflanking Pak via Iran is now sitting at the bottom of the Persian Gulf. Our great buffoons of the MEA fondly imagined that by doing tricks for Uncle Sam,he would keep Pak under control.What has happened? Paki terror has not abated.In fact it increased to such an extant that we had to finally bomb Balakot in an attempt to restrain it,but it has still not ceased to stop cross-border terror as an instrument of its state policy. To deflect Indian military options,it has turned to China who've had their masterplan fine tuned for years ,who are now relieving Pak of Indian mil. action by gheir gambit in Ladakh.

The Delhi Durbar similarly today fondly hopes that aligning with the Quad under US leadership agsinst the PRC will resolve our stand- off in Ladakh. With Iran,it's been two steps forward,one step back,in fact now looking like one step forward and two steps back! Our failure to stand firm on Indo-Iranian relations and securing our vital strategic interests, is now costing us dear. Wherever we look relations with our principal neinghbours are in trouble and the PRC swiftly and relentlessly replacing India.

The new deal with $400-500 B deal with the PRC is giving Iran a lifebelt and much relief from the US pressure.Apart from much needed oil sales,investment,etc., I forsee someting in the works which none of the western or for that matter Indian commentators have reflected upon.The hidden contours of the Sino- Iran military relationship. The PRC's committment into turning Iran into a nuclear- weapons state just as it helped Pak. With one stroke the PRC will have scored a famous victory,arming both factions of the Muslim world,both Sunnis and Shias.Neither the Saudis- recipients of PRC ballistic missiles nor the Pakis can howl in protest because they too received their bomb and delivery systems from the PRC too! The recent tripartite naval exercises between Iran,Russia and the PRC was a warning to the US/ West that continued pressure upon Iran would see a further intensification of the tripartite mil. relationship.

However,all is not lost.Iran too is fully aware of getting into a PRC debt trap.India resuming oil imports and re-engaging with the Iranians ,speeding up the CB port dev. Plus rescuing the rail link deal,will force Iran to carve out a space in its foreign and security policy,accommodating India and Indian interests in some measure. To that extent depends upon the skills of our diplomutts.


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Postby chetak » 24 Jul 2020 17:23

Philip wrote:This is a simplistic analysis that Iran has been playing us along. It has been under tremendous US led sanctions for decades, with the US now pulling out of the N-deal achieved with the EU after years of negotiations. On the contrary it is India that has been fickle in the relationship ,taking two steps forward and one strp back every time Uncle Sam farted in our direction sabotaging Indo- Iranian relations.Who stopped buying Iranian oil? We did.Iran never turned off the tap. Our goal of outflanking Pak via Iran is now sitting at the bottom of the Persian Gulf. Our great buffoons of the MEA fondly imagined that by doing tricks for Uncle Sam,he would keep Pak under control.What has happened? Paki terror has not abated.In fact it increased to such an extant that we had to finally bomb Balakot in an attempt to restrain it,but it has still not ceased to stop cross-border terror as an instrument of its state policy. To deflect Indian military options,it has turned to China who've had their masterplan fine tuned for years ,who are now relieving Pak of Indian mil. action by gheir gambit in Ladakh.

The Delhi Durbar similarly today fondly hopes that aligning with the Quad under US leadership agsinst the PRC will resolve our stand- off in Ladakh. With Iran,it's been two steps forward,one step back,in fact now looking like one step forward and two steps back! Our failure to stand firm on Indo-Iranian relations and securing our vital strategic interests, is now costing us dear. Wherever we look relations with our principal neinghbours are in trouble and the PRC swiftly and relentlessly replacing India.

The new deal with $400-500 B deal with the PRC is giving Iran a lifebelt and much relief from the US pressure.Apart from much needed oil sales,investment,etc., I forsee someting in the works which none of the western or for that matter Indian commentators have reflected upon.The hidden contours of the Sino- Iran military relationship. The PRC's committment into turning Iran into a nuclear- weapons state just as it helped Pak. With one stroke the PRC will have scored a famous victory,arming both factions of the Muslim world,both Sunnis and Shias.Neither the Saudis- recipients of PRC ballistic missiles nor the Pakis can howl in protest because they too received their bomb and delivery systems from the PRC too! The recent tripartite naval exercises between Iran,Russia and the PRC was a warning to the US/ West that continued pressure upon Iran would see a further intensification of the tripartite mil. relationship.

However,all is not lost.Iran too is fully aware of getting into a PRC debt trap.India resuming oil imports and re-engaging with the Iranians ,speeding up the CB port dev. Plus rescuing the rail link deal,will force Iran to carve out a space in its foreign and security policy,accommodating India and Indian interests in some measure. To that extent depends upon the skills of our diplomutts.


Saar,


The day when the ummah is not playing and gaming the kafir, in one way or another, is yet to dawn. when sharia sanctioned taqiya is at the core of all the ummah's external relations, why are we, as a civilization, so reluctant to see the deep abyss between deed, desire and deceit. Why do we even imagine that we are the only exception to the kafir rule and thus safe from taqiya manipulations.

eyeran has now openly shown her hand and we are not even among the spectators witnessing the new mini great game that has just been started with a "new" deck of marked cards and an entirely new set of players sitting on a cheeni made table.

The eyeranians now desperately hoping and need India to bring in, install and commission the four rail-mounted quay cranes (RMQCs) before they plant the good ole persian boot where they think it will do the maximum damage and "ancient" civilizational ties be damned.

ummah history of islamic India is being gradually rewritten even as we speak. deliberate historic distortions that were seeded even before independence are being propogated with newer subsets even today.

as a culture, our olfactory senses have not merely been delibrately dulled by cunning social design but have been completely removed by the combined onslaught of the ummah and the britshits which is why even though grow over 350 K metric tons of coffee (give or take) and we seem to be among the lower bracket of consumers of coffee and hence as a people we are unable to smell the freshly brewing islamic and the BIF coffee. Sadly, waking up is not even in our agenda.

they, the hans and the other BIF use India's internal contradictions that they themselves slyly created, fostered and manipulated are now using the totally committed paltu commie, naxal, lootyens media and acadaemic cabals, combined with the ease with which the conmedia, "intelligensia" and the left liberandu led pro islamic and pro BIF fifth columns succumb to greedy overtures of cash and kind, to lull us and that is the primary reason for our inability to accord primacy to our own supreme national interests.

the core thrust of the foreign policy changes drastically from regime to regime and seems to run primarily on the dictats of a few deep state but offshore owned interests that reverse directions at every regime change, and so the "gains" made by their "not so nationalistic" opponents are slowly being negated with great difficulty.

Its been over six years since the new govt took over and precious little has been done to change some perceptions that have been maliciously embedded by the congi led cabal.

our NAM days are truly over and given the mitrokhin revelations, especially on India, we know for sure what actually happened during that era.

Its a tad puzzling that no one appreciates that a majority of our NAM "colleagues" were hard core communistas and brutal dictators with all the trappings and ideologies of totalitarian, despotic and autocratic regimes but conveniently dressed up and portrayed by a cynical and devious neverwho as benign saints battling evil capitalism while simultaneously saving the world.
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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Jul 2020 17:37

Plus Kulbhushan Jadhav was captured and handed over to the Pakis, the Iranians have kept silent with a Wink wink, they should accept thier failure complicity in capturing him and handing him over to the Pakis.

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Postby chetak » 24 Jul 2020 18:12

Aditya_V wrote:Plus Kulbhushan Jadhav was captured and handed over to the Pakis, the Iranians have kept silent with a Wink wink, they should accept thier failure complicity in capturing him and handing him over to the Pakis.


Though captured on eyeranian territory, it appears that this was probably a kidnapping "supari" outsourced to some chota mota small time terrorist entrepreneurs by the ISI. The eyeranian SAVAK‎ or some other local intelligence agency would certainly have known about it almost immediately and this is where the "ummah interests" take precedence over the kaffir.

I, for one, have never really understood what exactly kulbushan thought he was doing operating in the chabahar region. His unwise presence in that volatile region was akin to a naked flame attracting many eager moths in the vicinity.

He was certainly not a spy because India could very easily have purchased expendable eyeranian or other assets in the region without endangering an Indian citizen, especially a high profile one with an easily verifiable Indian military background.

The ISI spotted an major opportunity and simply went for it, spending peanuts to obtain considerable political and international leverage against India.

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Postby Aditya_V » 24 Jul 2020 18:50

Clearly spies dont go with Identity cards.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Cain Marko » 29 Jul 2020 10:57

News X reporting that there was a BM attack by Iran near al dhafra and isf rafale pilots had to take cover :shock:

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Dumal » 29 Jul 2020 12:39

If the timing of the BM launches was intentionally related to the stopover of our Rafales, it could have been instigated by China to show that they have allies that can play a role. A very simple and straightforward message? Interesting moves, if that was the case!

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Shanmukh » 02 Aug 2020 16:01

Looking at the map, it is clear that Chabahar is also in Baluchistan [Iranian Baluchistan, but Baluchistan, all the same]. Wiki chacha, while not giving the exact composition of the population of Chabahar, hints that the population is majority Baluch in Chabahar county. Should the Chinese get hold of Chabahar, is it possible for India to deny them use of [or at least, make it painful for the Chinese, the use of] either Chabahar and/or Gwadar?


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