Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 31 Jul 2020 03:51

https://twitter.com/FrontalAssault1/sta ... 9665061888
In an effort to keep a check on Chinese products, India puts imports of TV sets in 'Restricted List'. Importers will now have to apply for licence to import television sets into India.
Slow but steady squeeze is being applied.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chetak » 31 Jul 2020 12:28

This is a whatsapp forward.

trying to locate the source.

In any case, it's an interesting read.

however, there are ideological scum and prostituted thinktankis like manoj joshi of the ORF who consistently toe and also assiduously push the rabid pro china anti India line


China's eye on Himalayan 'tri-junctions'

There are a total of 4 important tri-junctions on the 4056 km long Indo-China border.

A 'tri-junction' is a small area where the borders of three countries meet. This territory is militarily vulnerable.

These 'tri-junctions' are through the Himalayan entrance. Which are in such a strategic position that the country which will take control of all these four tri-junctions will prevail in this tough Himalayan battlefield. Because their geographical location provides tremendous leverage to the military. These tri-junctions are as follows-

1. Siachen Glacier
2. Kalapani / Lipulekh Pass
3. Doklama
4. Diphu Pass

Fortunately, 4 of these 4 tri-junctions are under Indian rule. Naturally, the Chinese dragon has a crooked eye. So it is important to know the strategic importance of all these tri-junctions.

1. Siachen Glacier-

India-Pakistan-China border only
It is available at Siachen Tri-Junction covering an area of ​​76 sq. Km. Siachen is located at an altitude of 20,000 feet in the Karakoram range of Ladakh. Siachen is the 'tallest battlefield' in the world, also known as the third pole of the earth. With temperatures of -60 and avalanches, Siachen is the most difficult battlefield. Siachen was captured by the Indian Army in 1984 through Operation Meghdoot. In retaliation, Pakistan imposed the Kargil war on India in 1999, but in the end, India won.

Siachen's strategic importance to India

Siachen does not establish contact between Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and China-occupied Aksai Chin. India can keep an eye on POK and Aksai Chin at the same time.

If India loses Siachen, Pakistan will occupy Ladakh from the west and China from the east.

If Siachen goes out of hand, Ladakh will go out of hand. If you go to Ladakh, you will lose Kargil. If you go to Kargil, NH1 will be lost. If NH1 goes out of hand, Jammu and Kashmir will lose contact with India. As a result, India will have to lose the whole of Jammu and Kashmir, including Ladakh.

Also, if India wants to take over POK tomorrow, it is not possible without Siachen.

श्मीर If Kashmir is to be saved and POK is to be recaptured, this 76 sq km piece of Siachen Glacier will play a very important role. Therefore, India cannot afford to deviate even an inch from the Siachen tri-junction.

2. Kalapani / Lipulekh Pass-2

The Indo-Nepal-China border meets the Kalapani tri-junction, which is currently under discussion. This is because Nepal, at the behest of China, has illegally claimed the 397 sq km 'Tri-junction' of Kalapani, Lipulekh and Lymphiyadura, which are under Indian control.

Strategic Significance of Kalapani / Lipulekh Pass-

काला The Kalapani / Lipulekh Pass is the most important and sensitive of the four tri-junctions in terms of India's security.

Lipulekh Tri-junction is at an altitude of 17,000 feet. This pass connects Uttarakhand with Tibet. Lipulekh Pass is a 'forward commanding post'. From here, India can monitor China's military movements.

India has built an all-weather strong road for pilgrims on Kailas-Mansarovar directly to Lipulekh. Also, Indian troops will be able to strike directly at the Chinese border in a very short time.

If India deploys state-of-the-art helicopters like Apache and Chinook in this area, they will not even need an airbase or runway. Chinook helicopters and M777 Howitzer guns can also carry. In this way, India can respond to any Chinese adventure.

If the Kalapani / Lipulekh pass is lost to India, a very frightening situation could befall India. Because the distance from the entry point of Lipulekh to the capital Delhi is only 416 km. If the inscription goes into Chinese possession, the capital Delhi will come under the range of Chinese bombers. Also, the Chinese army can reach the capital in 24 to 48 hours.

If other tri-junctions are taken over by China, perhaps only Kashmir or Northeast India can be taken over by China, but if the inscription is swallowed by China, the country's capital could be threatened. Seeing such a direct threat to the capital, India is now rapidly building military infrastructure to strengthen its grip on the Lipulekh tri-junction area.

3. Doklama-6

The Indo-Bhutan-China border meets at the tri-junction 'Doka-la'. Doklama is like that in Bhutan, but India has control over Doklama as it is responsible for Bhutan's defense.

The strategic importance of Doklama-

पासून India's 'Siliguri Corridor' is very close to Tibet's 'Chumbi-Valley'. This corridor is only 22 km wide, which connects the whole of North-East India with the rest of India. It is also called India's 'Chicken-Neck'.

Buss, China's grand plan is to withdraw troops from Tibet's 'Chumbi Valley' and take control of Doka-la Tri-Junction directly. Moving on from there, it can capture the Siliguri corridor and a total of 2.6 lakh sq. Km. including eight states. To cut off the whole of North East India from the rest of India.

पर्यंत But as long as the 'Doklama Plateau' is under Indian control, China's plan can never be fulfilled. Because Doklama is at an altitude of 15,000 feet, India is in a commanding position. From here, India can keep an eye on Chinese movements in the Chumbi Valley.

If Doklama gets out of hand, all the eight states of the North East could fall into the throat of the Chinese dragon. So India can never leave Doklama.

4. Diffu Pass-

The Indo-Myanmar-China border meets at Diphu Pass. At the end point of the McMahon Line is the Diphu Pass in Arunachal Pradesh. The Diphu Pass is an entry point for Northeast India from Myanmar.

Strategic significance of Diphu Pass-

China calls Arunachal Pradesh 'South Tibet' and always claims it illegally. But Arunachal Pradesh's border with Tibet is extremely remote and covered with high peaks. This remote Arunachal Pradesh serves as a protective wall for the rest of the plain North East states.

Military invasion from Arunachal is very unfavorable for China. So China's strategy is to bypass the remote region of Arunachal to enter India.

सोपे It is easy for China to capture the Diphu Pass and divert troops to remote Arunachal Pradesh and infiltrate the plains of Assam. After that, China's intention is to cut off the North East from mainland India and swallow one state after another.

If Dipu Pass gets out of hand, the whole of Northeast India is in danger of falling into the throat of China. So India is getting stronger and stronger on the Diffu Pass.

Planned aggression of a cunning Chinese dragon-

If we look back over the last five years, we can see that there is a special pattern behind China's aggression.

Wherever these four important tri-junctions are, this is where the sly China tries to infiltrate its troops into India. All four of these tri-junctions want to do anything for China. Because China knows that it is impossible to gain dominance in the Himalayan battlefield without it.

It is at these four tri-junctions that China repeatedly infiltrates and uses psychological pressure against India. In other words, China is testing India's military readiness and morale.

In 2017, China created military tensions in Doklama. But India did not leave an inch of space. Eventually, the Chinese troops had to retreat.

In 2020, China will simultaneously open the front lines in India's two adjoining tri-junctions, Lipulekh and Ladakh. But India has first straightened Nepal out of pressure, while deploying Bofors and other heavy military equipment in Ladakh has given China a firm grip on retreat. Here too, China will have to burn incense.

Seeing the same pattern, in the near future, China may show aggression at Diflam, Lipulekh, Ladakh and then at Diphu Pass.

The main reason for China's unrest is that India is rapidly building military infrastructure along the Chinese border as well as in these four tri-junction areas. India has already built 75% of the strong roads. Currently, in the wake of the Ladakh tensions, India has run 11 special trains and sent 12,000 workers to the Chinese border to complete the remaining infrastructure immediately. Also in Assam, Chamba Tunnel has been constructed near Bogiebill Bridge, LAC. In addition, permanent airbases, temporary landing strips and helipads are being constructed on the battlefield for the Air Force.

Over the last few years, especially under the strong leadership of Narendra Modi, India's image as a 'soft state' is no more. India is emerging as a responsible country as well as a military power. Also the domestic production of many weapons like Tejas as well as the introduction of sophisticated weapons like Raphael, S-400 from abroad is boosting the morale of the Indian Army and the masses. In addition, the Indian government, at the diplomatic level, and the Indian military at ground zero, are constantly airing Chinese aggression.

China should know now that this is not the India of 1962. This is today's new India .. !

Congress did not see the need to pay attention to these Sensitive Territories, despite the 1962 defeat ...

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 31 Jul 2020 12:50

chetak wrote:This is a whatsapp forward.
China's eye on Himalayan 'tri-junctions'
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If Siachen goes out of hand, Ladakh will go out of hand. If you go to Ladakh, you will lose Kargil. If you go to Kargil, NH1 will be lost. If NH1 goes out of hand, Jammu and Kashmir will lose contact with India. As a result, India will have to lose the whole of Jammu and Kashmir, including Ladakh.

Also, if India wants to take over POK tomorrow, it is not possible without Siachen.
Right there is a load of bull .. I have no desire to read the rest.

1. IF NH1 is lost @ Kargil, it will imperil our hold on Siachen and Ladakh BUT not J&K!

2. Siachen will have no role in getting PoK back, I dare say very minimal role in India getting back Gilgit/Baltisthan. How can a place that is so difficult to maintain and hostile be a launchpad for our foray into GB?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 31 Jul 2020 15:17

https://twitter.com/chhayank/status/1288923929973850113
Chhayank Mehta @chhayank

Portugal telcos won't use Huawei for core 5G networks though no gov't ban. Nice.

https://www.news18.com/news/tech/exclus ... 45349.html
Exclusive: Portugal telcos won't use Huawei for core 5G networks though no gov't ban

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby RaviB » 31 Jul 2020 16:35

chetak wrote:This is a whatsapp forward.

China's eye on Himalayan 'tri-junctions'

There are a total of 4 important tri-junctions on the 4056 km long Indo-China border.

A 'tri-junction' is a small area where the borders of three countries meet. This territory is militarily vulnerable.
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This is the most sensible part, other than that the importance of trijunctions is not due to military reasons, but due to boundary settlement process.

The trijunctions have to be settled with the agreement of 3 countries, that's why they are often the most disputed part of any boundary.

In case of Siachen, for instance, Pakistand China want the Karakoram pass to be the trijunction. Their treaty of peace and friendship of 1963 settles the Pakistan China boundary up to the claimed Pakistan-China-Afghanistan trijunction near Mintaka Pass. Based on Indian claims, Pakistan wouldn't even share a boundary with China, so what they settled was the China-Kashmir Boundary for the area controlled by Pakistan at that point of time. There is a final clause that this settlement is temporary, until the disputed status of Kashmir is settled. If the sovereignty of the area is awarded to Pakistan, then the boundary settlement would stay as agreed in the 1963 treaty. This included the swap of territories, notably ceding Shaksgam to China.

The fly in the chai is Siachen - Saltoro area. It is not even under the sovereign control of Pakistan, making the entire boundary settlement null and void. This status however only changed de facto in 1984. But still, in international law, since the treaty was based on de facto control, that boundary settlement is now completely useless. The Karakoram pass is historically well settled as being on the India-China boundary, so it's the entire boundary from there to Mintaka pass that is in question and where control of Siachen made India a party to that settlement.

A map to help you make sense:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby yensoy » 31 Jul 2020 19:24

m_saini wrote:US aren't going to let anyone in the 5 eyes, not unless they have you by the balls. Even the French were refused a no-spy agreement and the NSA spying on Merkel is well known. India for sure isn't joining the "big dog+4 lackeys" club mostly because we're next in line when the chinis are taken care of.

If anyone has a shot of joining the 5-eyes, it'd most likely be Israel

US will keep all their clubs separate. They don't want members co-mingling. So there will be an Anglo white people club (5 eyes), a rich peoples club (G7), an east asian club, a south east asian club, an Americas club, a NATO, a coalition of the willing, a quad and a special bilateral club with Israel. We may be admitted to 2 clubs, at most given that apart from democracy and an english law system we have little in common with the US - we are not on "their side of the world", we are poor, we have a different religious tradition, we have a different racial makeup, we aren't part of the "english speaking world" (yeah!), and we look at geopolitics very differently.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 31 Jul 2020 23:37

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/FrontalAssault1/status/1288885639665061888
In an effort to keep a check on Chinese products, India puts imports of TV sets in 'Restricted List'. Importers will now have to apply for licence to import television sets into India.
Slow but steady squeeze is being applied.

https://twitter.com/FrontalAssault1/sta ... 7956880384
FrontalAssault @FrontalAssault1

To reduce dependence on Chinese imports, the government has extended the safeguard duty on imported solar cells and panels by one year and has imposed duties on printing plates and raw material used in making industrial chemicals.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 01 Aug 2020 08:54


Attended that webinar where the Chinese Amb. Sun Weeidong said those words. I was left wondering if PRC would afford a similar opportunity for an open freewheeling more than an hour-long webinar by our Ambassador in Beijing.

Here are what else he said.
  1. He tried to paint a rosy picture of India & China, two of the largest developing economies {China should no longer bracket itself with us. It is doing so to massage our psyche and generate a false sense of equality because at every other opportunity it does not hesitate to point out how inferior we are and how their economy is five times ours etc}
  2. He reeled out statistics to claim that India was much dependent on China and a forced decoupling of the conomies was impossible and lead to a lose-lose situation.
  3. He talked unashamedly about Panchsheel.
  4. Also said how India should not lose its strategic autonomy.
  5. He pinned the blame for the Galwan incidents squarely on us. He said our Army transgressed and they were just defending.
  6. As for Pangong Tso, he said that the traditional position of China aligns with the LAC, meaning that Finger 4 was where it lays. He didn't mention about Galwan except to blame us for what happened. {Is that a hint that Galwan was a distraction to [relatively] quietly occupy and consolidate in the Pangong Tso area? Phenomenal events were manufactured in Galwan through a deliberate Chinese action which drowned out the moves in Pangong Tso? The current Chinese claim that disengagement is complete, while staying put in Pangong Tso with just a token withdrawal from Finger 4 to Finger 5, and more fortifications there all point to the same assessment.}
  7. He said that the Chinese did not want to announce the number of their dead because that would not serve any purpose.
  8. On exchanging maps and clarifying LAC, he said that when some country makes a unilateral claim then the process becomes ineffective. {He thus confirmed my long-held belief that the Chinese diplomats put themselves in knots. These people escape because there is no follow up question otherwise someone could have asked if, by the same token, Chinese claims weren't unilateral}
  9. He also said that LAC clarification could lead to more disputes and that was another reason for China not doing so. {Can anyone be more stupid}
  10. He directly rejected Yun Sun's thesis {from Brookings, which was also posted here or in the Border thread IIRC} about 'teaching India a lesson and putting it in its place' and said unconvincingly that it was not PRC's policy. I think Yun Sun is more plugged into the India-related policy than HE. Anyway, that was the policy in the events leading up to 1962.
  11. He said he was aware that some Indian strategists were talking of India putting pressure on China through Taiwan, Tibet, HK, Xinjiang etc. He said these were purely internal matters of China and just as China does not interfere in the internal affairs of any other country, it would also expect others to do so.
  12. He said that the India-China relationship was like an exquisitely crafted piece of glass and it hardly takes a few seconds to break it {He forgot it was China which broke it in 1962, 1967, 1986-87, 2018 and now 2020}
  13. He referred to Bodhidharma et al. {I tend to think that the Chinese believe that since we talk too much about these civilizational connects, we can be flattered into deception. IMO, this emphasis on 'historical connect' serves no purpose from our side}
  14. He mentioned twice that China had been the most powerful country on Planet Earth before and even then it didn't colonize anybody. They are the most peace-loving people and it is built into their Constitution.At that point of time, we all had to grip our chairs strongly in order not to fall down.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby anmol » 01 Aug 2020 14:35

BREAKING: Trump announces he will BAN TikTok in the U.S.

President Donald Trump announced on Friday he will ban Chinese-owned social media app TikTok from operating in the United States.

Trump said the popular video-sharing platform could be barred as soon as Saturday by executive order or through use of emergency economic powers.

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[..]



I bet he knew this TikTok ban was coming. I don't think this ass kissing will work, China will still ban Tesla in retaliation.

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Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk lamented the "entitled" and "complacent" character of people in the United States, and lauded the "smart" and "hard working people" of China, in the first installment of a three-part interview with Automotive News' "Daily Drive" podcast published Friday.

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Musk pointed out, Telsa has not received as much assistance from the government in China as domestic companies. "They have been supportive. But it would be weird if they were more supportive to a non-Chinese company. They're not," he said.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby rajpa » 01 Aug 2020 16:20

SSridhar wrote:

Attended that webinar where the Chinese Amb. Sun Weeidong said those words. I was left wondering if PRC would afford a similar opportunity for an open freewheeling more than an hour-long webinar by our Ambassador in Beijing.

Here are what else he said.
  1. He tried to paint a rosy picture of India & China, two of the largest developing economies {China should no longer bracket itself with us. It is doing so to massage our psyche and generate a false sense of equality because at every other opportunity it does not hesitate to point out how inferior we are and how their economy is five times ours etc}
  2. He reeled out statistics to claim that India was much dependent on China and a forced decoupling of the conomies was impossible and lead to a lose-lose situation.
  3. He talked unashamedly about Panchsheel.
  4. Also said how India should not lose its strategic autonomy.
  5. He pinned the blame for the Galwan incidents squarely on us. He said our Army transgressed and they were just defending.
  6. As for Pangong Tso, he said that the traditional position of China aligns with the LAC, meaning that Finger 4 was where it lays. He didn't mention about Galwan except to blame us for what happened. {Is that a hint that Galwan was a distraction to [relatively] quietly occupy and consolidate in the Pangong Tso area? Phenomenal events were manufactured in Galwan through a deliberate Chinese action which drowned out the moves in Pangong Tso? The current Chinese claim that disengagement is complete, while staying put in Pangong Tso with just a token withdrawal from Finger 4 to Finger 5, and more fortifications there all point to the same assessment.}
  7. He said that the Chinese did not want to announce the number of their dead because that would not serve any purpose.
  8. On exchanging maps and clarifying LAC, he said that when some country makes a unilateral claim then the process becomes ineffective. {He thus confirmed my long-held belief that the Chinese diplomats put themselves in knots. These people escape because there is no follow up question otherwise someone could have asked if, by the same token, Chinese claims weren't unilateral}
  9. He also said that LAC clarification could lead to more disputes and that was another reason for China not doing so. {Can anyone be more stupid}
  10. He directly rejected Yun Sun's thesis {from Brookings, which was also posted here or in the Border thread IIRC} about 'teaching India a lesson and putting it in its place' and said unconvincingly that it was not PRC's policy. I think Yun Sun is more plugged into the India-related policy than HE. Anyway, that was the policy in the events leading up to 1962.
  11. He said he was aware that some Indian strategists were talking of India putting pressure on China through Taiwan, Tibet, HK, Xinjiang etc. He said these were purely internal matters of China and just as China does not interfere in the internal affairs of any other country, it would also expect others to do so.
  12. He said that the India-China relationship was like an exquisitely crafted piece of glass and it hardly takes a few seconds to break it {He forgot it was China which broke it in 1962, 1967, 1986-87, 2018 and now 2020}
  13. He referred to Bodhidharma et al. {I tend to think that the Chinese believe that since we talk too much about these civilizational connects, we can be flattered into deception. IMO, this emphasis on 'historical connect' serves no purpose from our side}
  14. He mentioned twice that China had been the most powerful country on Planet Earth before and even then it didn't colonize anybody. They are the most peace-loving people and it is built into their Constitution.At that point of time, we all had to grip our chairs strongly in order not to fall down.


The Chinese Ambassador seems to lack rationality and logic and appears to be an idiot of the highest order.

If Chinese are being reasonable in occupying positions upto their claim line, will he also consider it reasonable if India occupied positions upto our claim line? This will have both armies standing behind and facing away from each other in overlapping areas :rotfl: :rotfl:

The reason why we must delineate the LAC is to ensure both armies are staying behind mutually agreed upon border lines. And that is what diplomacy is for, Mr. Fundoo CCP Stooge, fake ambassador.

As far as China as being the most powerful country at some point in time --> Many countries have been the most powerful at different times, including the mongols, romans, british. Everybody had their time. Does not mean that they can claim some superiority today based on their past glory. (Also, on what basis does he mean that China was the most powerful country in the world if they didn't wage and win wars or colonize other people's land?)

China is rich today because they sold their cheap labour to the west. Nothing else made them rich. That "edge" can be easily taken away from them by other countries like Vietnam. So they are not really powerful in any sense of the word other than to flaunt their ill gotten wealth by spending it on building worthless Cut-Copy-Paste (CCP) armies and navies for their ladyboys.

Makes the blood boil to have to read about these idiots.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 01 Aug 2020 16:36

^ For two centuries the Tibetans tormented the Hans. The only way the Hans could handle the Tibetans was by paying them tributes and marrying off their princesses to the Tibetan royalty.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby rajpa » 01 Aug 2020 16:43

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouveau_riche

The Chinese have the mentality of the Nouveau riche. They want to flaunt their wealth newly made from selling their own people for cheap labour. Now that they are upwardly mobile they just have to crash everybody's party and act important. :mrgreen:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby rajpa » 01 Aug 2020 16:59

Is there any major area in which the Chinese have contributed to, in the last fifty years, to qualify as a super power? None. They have only sold their people, their currency for acquiring trillions of USD in forex.

They are a modern slave nation.

To go about chest beating as if they are a super power, is a rather shameful perfidy perpetrated on their own people by the CCP. To add to the shame, they steal IP from the west for the very same products that they were tasked to assemble. Really... :evil:

Whatever pride the Chinese may have had for being a great civilization in the past, it is all ground to dust now by the litany of shames brought on by the CCP.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Suraj » 01 Aug 2020 23:37

Thanks for the detailed analysis of the Chinese response, SSridhar! It's important that we cultivate a section of the press or just public response that can offer a commensurate reply to statements like that from the Chinese side. A commensurate response to the above is not a detailed, carefully worded one. Instead, it is open mockery of the gas they're venting from their behinds. It would be nice to see Kureel or an Amul ad mock them regularly.

There are times when the best conversations are had in the aftermath of condescending views and paternalism being openly mocked in their own faces without any filter at all. The Chinese need to know directly that their argument is the gobar-ment view and that if they want engagement, we define the direct terms instead. They're not going to like it, and they'll need to scramble to figure out how to handle it.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 02 Aug 2020 00:11

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 254205.cms
As tensions rise in SCS, US signs MoU to support Vietnamese fishermen against Chinese 'intimidation'
The US and Vietnam have signed a memorandum of understanding, which includes support against illegal "intimidation" of the latter's fishermen at sea.

The MOU, which aims to strengthen Vietnam's fisheries management and law enforcement capabilities.

"We look forward to working together with Vietnam to strengthen the sustainability of its fisheries and support its fishers against illegal intimidation," said the US Ambassador to Vietnam, Dan Kritenbrink, at the signing ceremony in Hanoi.

The MOU came a week after the US released statements affirming its stance in supporting Southeast Asian nations including Vietnam in disputes with China at sea.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 02 Aug 2020 00:13

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 274744.cms
Myanmar pushes back against BRI; to involve foreign partners in China-funded mega city project
New Delhi: Myanmar has decided to involve international partners in the Chinese funded mega Yangon City Project, a key pillar of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) in the Southeast Asian country, marking another pushback against China.

The Myanmar government has decided to open up the project for other foreign firms besides China Communications Construction Company (CCCC), as it is not keen that one single company dominates the mega project, according to people aware of the matter.

The project has been a source of controversy due to its flood-prone location as well as the CCCC’s involvement, said the people.

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Postby pankajs » 02 Aug 2020 00:23

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/30/pe ... an-public/
When It Comes to China, Americans Think Like Trump
Large majorities of the U.S. public, both Democrats and Republicans, align with the Trump administration’s dismal view of China, giving the embattled president a potential appealing drum to bang in an increasingly uphill reelection campaign, according to a new survey by the Pew Research Center.

According to the survey, 73 percent of Americans hold an unfavorable view of China, up from 47 percent just two years ago. The main complaints echo President Donald Trump’s: the nature of the two countries’ economic relationship and China’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

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Postby pankajs » 02 Aug 2020 00:25

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2 ... omination/
Why Huawei Lost Its Quest for World Domination
Beijing tripped on its ambitions for Huawei for the same reason it has consistently failed in global influence games—it did not have the patience to pursue a long-term, soft-power approach.

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Postby ricky_v » 02 Aug 2020 05:34

https://www.axios.com/us-sanctions-china-paramilitary-xinjiang-xpcc-41e29c92-9649-4e47-9e91-a7f78330d4d8.html
The Trump administration has announced it will sanction the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps (XPCC), a paramilitary organization operating in Xinjiang,

Background: Little known outside of China, the XPCC, also known as the "Bingtuan" meaning "military unit" in Chinese, is a powerful, secretive organization that has dominated Xinjiang's economy and politics for decades.

It employs almost 12% of Xinjiang's total population, though very few of those employees come from the non-Han ethnic groups that comprise nearly half the region's population.
The XPCC is involved in the production of one-third of China's cotton, and in 2014, XPCC-controlled interests comprised 17% of Xinjiang's economy.
The Xinjiang government views the XPCC as playing "crucial roles in fighting terrorism and maintaining stability" — a reference to the draconian security state that authorities have forced on Uighurs and other Muslim groups there.

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Postby g.sarkar » 02 Aug 2020 07:56

SSridhar wrote:^ For two centuries the Tibetans tormented the Hans. The only way the Hans could handle the Tibetans was by paying them tributes and marrying off their princesses to the Tibetan royalty.

Sridharji, this reminds me of some thing I read years ago, according to Tibetan philosophy, just as men, nations have their own karma too. It was argued (in that article) that the present sorry state of Tibet is due to the past treatment of the Han by the Tibetan nation and the bad karma thus caused. While as a Hindu, I can understand this concept of national karma at one level, as a student of international relationships, I an unable to do so.
Gautam

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Postby yensoy » 02 Aug 2020 12:16

anmol wrote:
Elon Musk says 'China rocks' while the U.S. is full of 'complacency and entitlement'...
Musk replied: "China rocks in my opinion. The energy in China is great. People there – there's like a lot of smart, hard working people. And they're really -- they're not entitled, they're not complacent, whereas I see in the United States increasingly much more complacency and entitlement especially in places like the Bay Area, and L.A. and New York."

Let's psychoanalyze Elon Musk for a moment. He is a product of apartheid South Africa, probably holds elitist views close to his chest and a feeling of victimization. He is a genius for sure, but his genius has been built on the substrate of America. Someone putting down 70k$ or more on a car is either super rich or otherwise feels entitled to such luxury. Otherwise there is no way in hell that a Tesla makes financial sense compared with traditional IC engine cars; unless you really need the racecar like acceleration it provides. The same entitled class he is criticizing is the one that has enabled him peddle an overpriced item and build a brand and empire. Chinese are now buying his cars not because they are car afficionados but because it's a thing in America.

Also, his statement above is vacuous. There is no enmity with the Chinese people who indeed are smart and hardworking, and largely less complacent or entitled as a merit based upwardly mobile class is going to be for a generation or two (like in India). When the PRC government starts forced tech transfers, or when he finds his precious IP and designs being used in local knock-offs, or when he loses his first court case in China, he will be singing a very different tune.

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Postby VKumar » 02 Aug 2020 16:17

2 squadrons of TU 160, one for Himalayas and the other for IOR.

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Postby Guddu » 02 Aug 2020 21:05

What do you mean..khayali pulav or news report ?

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Postby pankajs » 02 Aug 2020 22:47

https://twitter.com/TVMohandasPai/statu ... 0742094849
Mohandas Pai @TVMohandasPai

India may increase customs duty on import of active pharma ingredients by 10-15%: Report - http://Moneycontrol.com

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Postby pankajs » 03 Aug 2020 13:34

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Japan-r ... -subsidies
Japan reveals 87 projects eligible for 'China exit' subsidies

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Intern ... -companies
China embarks on charm offensive toward Japanese companies

-- Clear as can be that China cannot take the world on its own. It still needs technology and capital from outside China.

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Postby pankajs » 03 Aug 2020 18:21

Bhell ... it seems an open season on China form all corners of the world ..

https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/12 ... 1234110464
Secretary Pompeo @SecPompeo

It is time for China to stop its unsustainable fishing practices, rule-breaking, and willful environmental degradation of the oceans. We stand with Ecuador and call on Beijing to stop engaging in illegal, unreported, and unregulated fishing.

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Postby Mollick.R » 03 Aug 2020 19:39

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'Clean up this mess': The Chinese thinkers behind Xi Jinping’s increasingly hardening line
New York Times Last Updated: Aug 03, 2020, 11:08 AM IST

HONG KONG: When Tian Feilong first arrived in Hong Kong as demands for free elections were on the rise, he said he felt sympathetic toward a society that seemed to reflect the liberal political ideas he had studied as a graduate student in Beijing.
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He became an ardent critic of the demonstrations, and six years later he is a staunch defender of the sweeping national security law that China has imposed on the former British colony.

Tian has joined a tide of Chinese scholars who have turned against Western-inspired ideas that once flowed in China’s universities, instead promoting the proudly authoritarian worldview ascendant under Xi Jinping, the Communist Party leader. This cadre of Chinese intellectuals serve as champions, even official advisers, defending and honing the party’s hardening policies, including the rollout of the security law in Hong Kong.
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“Back when I was weak, I had to totally play by your rules. Now I’m strong and have confidence, so why can’t I lay down my own rules and values and ideas?” Tian, 37, said in an interview, explaining the prevailing outlook in China. Witnessing the tumult as a visiting scholar in Hong Kong in 2014, Tian said, he “rethought the relationship between individual freedom and state authority.”

“Hong Kong is, after all, China’s Hong Kong,” he said. “It’s up to the Communist Party to clean up this mess.”

Read Full Article Here//
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/clean-up-this-mess-the-chinese-thinkers-behind-xi-jinpings-increasingly-hardening-line/articleshow/77326164.cms

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Postby ricky_v » 04 Aug 2020 04:35

https://warontherocks.com/2020/07/people-win-wars-the-pla-enlisted-force-and-other-related-matters/
In the late 1990s, China’s senior military leadership decided to build a professional noncommissioned officer (NCO) corps. Yet, 40 years after the Chinese military began its long-term modernization process, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) remains a conscription-style army.

To better understand this evolutionary process, in the following sections we address the PLA’s personnel structure, including active-duty “civil cadre,” contract civilians, and the often-overlooked category of local government civilians responsible for recruiting the young men and women who join the PLA

Based on reporting that officers accounted for half of the 300,000 personnel cut, we estimate that officers and civil cadres now number approximately 450,000 personnel (23 percent), NCOs 850,000 (42 percent), and conscripts about 700,000 (35 percent).

Conscripts serve for two years — requiring that annually about 400,000 young Chinese men and women must voluntarily join the PLA or be inducted against their will.

Fifteen years ago, the PLA began an experiment by creating a new category of personnel —contract civilians (wenzhi renyuan, 文职人员) — to augment and perform the same functions as civil cadres, including research, translation, engineering, medical, education, publishing, and as athletes and coaches.

People’s Armed Force Departments are both a PLA headquarters and an office within the local government. They are manned by a small number of active-duty personnel and larger numbers of uniformed local civilian cadre called zhuanwu ganbu (专武干部), who are not part of the active-duty PLA, though many have previously served in the military.

The distribution of officers, NCOs, and conscripts varies among types of units, and across each of the services. In general, the PLA Navy and Air Force have higher percentages of officers and NCOs than the army, the largest service.

From the early 1990s, PLA recruitment began in November with basic training starting in December and lasting for about three months, with 40 percent of training time dedicated to political and ideological training and 60 percent to military subjects. Traditionally, induction training was not conducted at specialized training bases, but rather at many division, brigade, and regiment-level unit garrisons. It was led not by professional trainers, but by a contingent of officers and NCOs detailed from the parent unit. This system left the parent unit lacking half its conscripts (after privates first class were demobilized) as well as many important small-unit leaders during the winter months. For units that rely heavily on conscripts, such as infantry, artillery, engineer, communications, and logistics units, this resulted in personnel strength at roughly 70 percent or lower than authorized levels for an extended period of time, adversely impacting training effectiveness. To offset the disruption caused by the conscript induction cycle, NCOs often serve in the same company for 12 years or longer and officers routinely stay in the same command assignment for three years or more.

This January the PLA announced it would adjust the conscription and demobilization schedule from once to twice a year (with induction occurring in March and September). However, the outbreak of the novel coronavirus postponed initial implementation of the new system, effectively delaying this experiment until at least 2021. When implemented, two recruitment and demobilization cycles per year, could even out personnel strength at higher levels in conscript-heavy units. This would increase unit cohesion and readiness.

Central Military Commission chairman Xi Jinping and the PLA view the NCO corps as its “backbone” force and believe improving the quality of NCOs will deepen the professionalization and modernization of the entire military. The official Chinese media frequently emphasize that future wars will be the squad leader’s or NCO’s to fight. NCO squad leaders, along with officer platoon leaders, are considered “end-point commanders” who must be tactically proficient, decisive, and capable of taking the initiative on the battlefield.

The party committees at various levels of the PLA serve as the decision-making organization and are often filled with officers. Although PLA Political Work Regulations stipulate that NCO party members shall have a seat on party committees, the regulations only apply to units that “have a relatively large number of NCO party members.” In reality, quotas continue to be used to control the total number of NCO party members within the PLA. More than a decade after NCO party members were allowed to serve on the party committees, in contrast to officers and civil cadres, official PLA media still characterize them as “afraid to take actions, unwilling to take action, and incapable of taking actions.”

Furthermore, unlike their counterparts in other militaries, as long as the traditional once-a-year conscription cycle is in effect, conscript-heavy squads, weapons crews, platoons, and companies will undergo large fluctuations in strength twice a year. In September, 40 to 50 percent of their conscripts are demobilized, and six months later, a new batch of privates enters the unit.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 04 Aug 2020 12:58

g.sarkar wrote:
SSridhar wrote:^ For two centuries the Tibetans tormented the Hans. The only way the Hans could handle the Tibetans was by paying them tributes and marrying off their princesses to the Tibetan royalty.

Sridharji, this reminds me of some thing I read years ago, according to Tibetan philosophy, just as men, nations have their own karma too. It was argued (in that article) that the present sorry state of Tibet is due to the past treatment of the Han by the Tibetan nation and the bad karma thus caused. While as a Hindu, I can understand this concept of national karma at one level, as a student of international relationships, I an unable to do so.
Gautam


According to Indic view, circumstances of individuals as well as nations change over time. Yesterday’s strong nation can become today’s weak nation and today’s weak nation can become tomorrow’s strong nation. If you sow ill-will when you are strong, you will be made to pay the price of that when you become weak; even more, it can motivate your victim to become strong.

“National karma” is just shorthand for this concept.

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Postby m_saini » 04 Aug 2020 13:31

OT but I'm highly skept of the entire concept of karma and especially "national karma". Just sounds like "be good and santa will bring you gifts" things you tell little kids so they behave.

Have seen and personally known lot of good people who could never catch a break and evil people who never saw a day of sadness. People like churchill, jefferson, leopold etc oversaw genocides, owned slaves, mutilated peasants, yet they lived extremely fortunate lives with plenty of wealth and even their legacies aren't tarnished. While equally evil people like hitler etc met their deserved end. Hell even our beloved bollywood bhaijaans live carefree after mowing down poor weak people.

Just seems like karma becomes a bit*h for you only when there's someone stronger to enforce it. What crimes against humanity did ancient Bharat commit to have to endure centuries of peacefool rule followed by the raj?

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Postby SSridhar » 04 Aug 2020 16:07

g.sarkar wrote:Sridharji, this reminds me of some thing I read years ago, according to Tibetan philosophy, just as men, nations have their own karma too. It was argued (in that article) that the present sorry state of Tibet is due to the past treatment of the Han by the Tibetan nation and the bad karma thus caused. While as a Hindu, I can understand this concept of national karma at one level, as a student of international relationships, I an unable to do so.
Gautam

Gautam ji, I am not so sure if it was bad karma resulting from the treatment of the Han by the Tibetans in the 7th through 9th centuries. The Tibetans shouldn't feel any despair.

There are certain characteristics of the Chinese Imperial way of working that gives me hope that the new CCP Dynasty and its new Emperor Xi will also fold up the way the earlier dynasties suffered or folded up. Two of the constant themes were the constant wars to expand the geographical frontiers because tianxia dictated that everything was theirs and then the grand schemes. While the former resulted in sending peasants to fight in far away places that naturally led to lower farm productivity and famine, the latter led to bankruptcy and high taxes. Don't we see the exact two narratives playing out in this Dynasty too? Wars have not happened yet, but unmistakable preparations are going on.

Anyway, coming back to the Tibetans, the same things happened in the Tang dynasty too. In early 7th century, the Sui dynasty had just fallen for exactly the same reasons cited above (again the Grand Canal, wars and the Great Wall). The earlier Qin, Han had gone the same way too, but the burning desire to conquer more and more lands under the Heavenly Mandate made them all pursue the same goal. The new Tang Dynasty arose in Chang'an, the old Capital. The Muslims power had conquered much of present-day CAR countries at that time and the Tujue (the Turkic Uyghurs) were strong in the north west. The Tang Emperor used conspiracies to divide the Tujue to defeat them and confer the Qaghan (Khan of Khans) title upon himself, which the Tujues realized later and were burning with a vengeance to defeat the Chinese Emperor.

IT was the time the Tibetan power also rose. In the beginning, the mighty Emperor dismissed the Tibetans. But, soon, the Tibetans began expanding on the fringes of the Tang Empire (Empires never had definitive boundaries and always frayed at the edges, anyway). A common enemy, China, united the Buddhist Tibetans and the Muslim Tujue Uyghurs. An internal revolt within the Empire made the Emperor seek the support of the Tibetans & Uyghurs, with whose help the revolt was smashed. However, the unnatural alliance between the Buddhists & the Muslims ruptured and the Tibetans were forced to attack Chang'an repeatedly. The Tang were so harassed that by late 8th century, they entered into a peace deal with the Tibetans. But, Tang & Uyghurs conspired and sensing that the Tibetans defeated their combined might. Soon thereafter, the Tang folded up.

IMHO, the Tibetan actions were par for the course. What troubles them?

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Postby pankajs » 04 Aug 2020 19:04

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Indo-Pacific News @IndoPac_Info

#Portugal telcos won't use #Huawei for core 5G networks though no government ban

The 3 firms who dominate Portugal’s mobile phone market said they won't use Huawei in their core 5G networks despite the government not banning Huawei.

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Postby RaviB » 04 Aug 2020 21:26

Some views from Chinese media

I hope this is useful and relevant to this thread. I have been looking through Chini internet because it is important to understand what they are thinking about India right now. I have translated some excerpts and added links to the relevant posts. Generally, the views here are from Chinis who are close to or sympathetic to SHA. This website is like a mix of quora and msn, some articles are reproduced from elsewhere and others are answers from "selected experts". Please let me know if I should post this elsewhere or if this exercise is useless, as this takes quite some time.

I am an ordinary Chinese. In my eyes, what kind of country is India? Think of the introduction in the geography textbook of the middle school. India is one of the four ancient civilizations. It is a multi-ethnic country with a strict caste system. It likes to eat curry. The train is full of people. Although the Ganges is floating with dead bodies, Indians still use holy water for bathing. I have a special respect for cows. When I was in school, I thought Indian cows are the happiest cows in the world. They are regarded as sacred cows and can eat anything in the market. How cool! Indian Bollywood movies are famous, singing and dancing whenever they disagree. Indian software programming is particularly good. Many top programmers work in Silicon Valley. At the same time, the top executives of top technology companies in the United States are mostly of Indian descent. This is very similar to India being the most populous democratic country and the Indian elite being educated by British elites.

India was first ruled by the East India Company, and later taken over by the British government, as a colony. Later, the British opened many British schools in India. The Indians received higher education and enlightened their thinking, which became the main force against British rule. Mahatma Gandhi is one of them. Due to this constant resistance, India became a nation.

Recently, India was involved on the Sino-Indian border. Fierce physical clashes broke out between China and India. It is said that 3 people were killed or injured in India, 17 people died of freezing, and China also suffered casualties. But some people say that we
already fought in the past, why are we now going back to the negotiating table? Because peace negotiations are best for us. India is a multi-ethnic religious country, and it is difficult to unite internally. If there is a force that can promote internal unity, it is nationalism. It is extremely detrimental to us.

India’s population is second only to China and is a rapidly rising country. Indians look at China from Asia, just like Chinese look at the United States from the world. For the rise of China, we must establish a good relationship with India. If we do not do well in neighboring relations, friction will easily arise and we will not be able to settle for major events. India is still an agricultural society, its degree of openness is not high, and its connection with the world is not as good as that of China. Economic sanctions on India will not have much effect, and they will also lead to competition between between the two and only a third party [USA is meant here] will benefit

Chairman Mao once stood up to India. Therefore, India is hostile to China. If we fight India now, although we have an absolute advantage in military strength, it is easy to push India towards the United States. The US-Japan-India alliance is very bad for China. But in that way, India is dependent on the United States and loses its independent power. That is also what India does not want. Therefore, it is the best policy to stop at the fierce physical conflict and return to the negotiating table.

Chairman Mao said that it is the best option in international politics to have many people who support oneself and few people who oppose oneself.
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/149063978


Another view, which is more of a warmongering one

We must never look at India by Chinese standards. In fact, from the eyes of ordinary Chinese people, India cannot be called a country.

Modi is unable to control the frontline military leaders, something which is unimaginable in China. In fact, before the new China, the old China was the same as India. There were even warlords who challenged the Soviet Union, causing the Soviet Union and China to sever diplomatic relations. This is the general state of the third world countries. It is not because we say that China is a third world country, so we cannot assume that the third world countries are not the same as us.

Therefore, India does not have a mature and unified strategy for dealing with China. The Indian army provoked China. It is not that India wants to divert attention from its problems. Who will divert attention by opposing a powerful country? But now the United States is in a state of desperation and urgently needs to shift attention from its internal problems to elsewhere.

Therefore, this incident is not to help India to divert attention from domestic problems, but to help the United States divert attention from its domestic problems.
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That is to say, some people in the Indian military took advantage of the Chinese and used the lives of lower class [subaltern / oppressed] officers and soldiers to create conflicts. Therefore, China demanded severe punishment for the perpetrators. Although Modi was extremely dissatisfied with the perpetrators, because it was an act of betraying India's national interests, he was unable to punish him, and he could not even name them.

This [fighting each other] is the sorrow of the post-colonial countries. This is the state of the world.

If we want to live happily, we must unite and fight these bad boys [colonisers] to the end.

Update on June 27

The elites of India are all cultivated by the Anglos, and they must be full of the thinking of looters. Their world view is not in support of colonialism, but it is diseased by colonialism.

As far as I know, the small land grabs of the Indian army on the Sino-Indian border have never stopped. It's like a few flies, if you don't pay attention, they buzz up. So we must always be prepared to prevent them from taking advantage. If it doesn't work, hit them hard.
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/148785294


The standard tropes are all here, India is always seen from the perspective of US-China or West-East rivalry, also a country split along class lines. There are some other articles like this one, which I'll summarise:

Why can't China go to war with India? https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/159410594
- Compares the current situation of India facing China to 1969 situation of China facing USSR
- There is great asymmetry in CNP between China and India (economy size, production, locally produced advanced weapons vs. imported ones, etc.) similar to the asymmetry between China and USSR back in 1969
Since India was crushed by China in 1962, it has suffered from severe "inferiority complex". They have nightmares about the PLA diving down from the southern foot of the Himalayas. From the perspective of India, the capital New Delhi is only 600 Km from the Sino-Indian border, and the nearest tens of millions of core city (Chengdu) from the Indian border that wants to threaten China is 2500 kilometers away (not true). With a population of 1.4 billion in India, nearly half of the population is located in Uttar Pradesh on the border between China and India. In terms of location and overall strength, China is like a giant dragon entwining the north. This sense of deterrence makes Indians feel nervous every day. Due to the above factors, India has long been trapped in "victimization delusion". Never mind that China is commited to peaceful coexistence and common development, India does not believe in their hearts. When China does not regard them as opponents, they feel that China despises them and does not respect India. When a conflict occurs and China sends troops to the border, they think that China is threatening their national security.

why can’t China teach India another lesson like in 1962, and let them be honest for decades?
- 1962 offered a special window during the Cuban missile crisis, this is missing now. [I think they thought of US elections as a window]
- In 1962, China was surrounded by enemies on all sides, and a victory inspite of that ensured that China became a leader of the third world. [I think this is the situation for India now, much more than territory, it is our reputation that we win or lose. Which is why even a restoration of territorial status quo ante by tortuous negotiation will still be a loss for us

- If China wins, it will suffer from Indian refugees streaming into southwest China and if it loses it will be a big loss in front of international public opinion. China would have started a fight without any benefits accruing from it.


India is full of domestic conflicts. In order to win over Hindus, Modi’s suppression of domestic Muslims has almost reached a critical point. In addition, the eastern and northern states have been clamoring for independence, and the different languages ​​between the northern and southern states make them unable to communicate to each other. The problem, combined with India’s gradual uncontrolled population growth, long-standing class conflicts, unfavorable epidemic prevention and control, and many other factors, it is easy to see that India is now a powder keg. [The author implies that since India will collapse on its own, China doesn't need to do anything]

Of course, as long as China can hold on to its broad development direction and does not appear to be aggressive, U.S. policies [of alliance building] will only annoy China, but they cannot fundamentally shake China’s policies. As an ancient civilization with the largest population in the world, China's road to rise does not necessarily have to be colonial and blood-sucking like the United States. As long as we work hard to adhere to the policy of self-development and do not make major mistakes, recovery [of world supremacy] is only a matter of time. India’s actions are indeed very annoying, but our goal has never been to defeat India or even the United States. Our goal is to achieve the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation!

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 05 Aug 2020 02:13

Arm Ltd accuses Chinese subsidiary's CEO of 'creating a culture of fear'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-arm- ... SKCN24U13M
SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Softbank Group Corp-owned chip technology firm Arm Ltd fired back against its Chinese subsidiary in a statement on Wednesday, accusing Arm China CEO Allen Wu of “propagating false information and creating a culture of fear and confusion among Arm China employees.”

The remarks are the latest in an ongoing conflict between the two companies, which first emerged in June.

“Allen’s focus on his own self-preservation has also put China semiconductor innovation at risk as he has attempted to block the critical communication and support our China partners require from Arm for ongoing and future chip designs,” UK-based Arm Ltd said in the statement.

Arm Ltd’s comments come hours after Arm China published an open letter signed by nearly 200 staff members accusing Arm Ltd of attempting to cut Arm China’s contracts with its business partners.

The rift between the two firms first became public in June, when Arm Ltd announced that Wu would be replaced as the CEO of Arm China. Immediately following that announcement, Arm China issued a statement that said Wu would remain in his position.


Arm China asks Beijing government to intervene in row with Arm UK
https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/ ... k-2020-07/

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Suraj » 05 Aug 2020 02:27

It is to our advantage that China continues to firmly believe Indian behavior is still heavily influenced by 1962 . When an opponent can not view your motives effectively, it gives you the element of surprise to act and respond in a manner they are not expecting.

Of course this works both ways too . By emphasizing that episode and exaggerating it, they hope WE are always bound to think in terms of that event too. It’s important to avoid doing that . The current government already demonstrates that its long left those shackles.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby KLNMurthy » 05 Aug 2020 04:14

Read your translations with interest RaviB. Always useful to have a look into the thinking of the aam abdul (how to say it in Chinese?). More please if you can spare the time.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chanakyaa » 05 Aug 2020 05:25

darshan wrote:Arm Ltd accuses Chinese subsidiary's CEO of 'creating a culture of fear'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-arm- ... SKCN24U13M
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Arm China asks Beijing government to intervene in row with Arm UK
https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/ ... k-2020-07/

Interesting developments. When folllowing news items started making rounds in the public domain few weeks ago, I wasn't sure where the story is going. Now the dots are connecting.

Samsung rumours suggest Nvidia might not be the only company after Arm

Nvidia Said to Be Close on Arm Deal

ARM company is considered one of the best kept secrets of the semiconductor world. Surprised to see that Japan's SoftBank sold 51% stake in ARM China to Chinese. With disputes between ARM China and parent, most like the IP will likely be stolen, which will help the Chinese. I have a hard time believing that the 51% ownership transfer to the Chinese happened without ungle's blessings. Looks like the tech transfer is happening by making enough people happy.

What is the difference between Intel, AMD and ARM processor, what could be a better option to take?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Suraj » 05 Aug 2020 05:34

KLNMurthy wrote:Read your translations with interest RaviB. Always useful to have a look into the thinking of the aam abdul (how to say it in Chinese?). More please if you can spare the time.

Average Zhou.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Manish_P » 05 Aug 2020 10:39

^ How about 'Pingjun Ping'

(pingjun means average in mandarin)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby darshan » 05 Aug 2020 13:21

WTF? 54 MoUs?
China Cries Foul As India Decides To Review Presence Of Confucius Institutes
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/china-cri ... institutes
The Chinese reaction came as reports emerged that the Ministry of Education has begun a review of the presence of Chinese Confucius Institutes and Confucius Classrooms in the nation. These have been established in India in a joint fashion by Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regime backed Confucius Institute and seven Indian universities and colleges.

It should also be noted that 54 Memorandums of Understanding (MoUs) signed between India and China for inter-school cooperation are also said to be have been taken up for review by the Ministry.


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