2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

[Suraj]

If white guys can get OCI, then it is only a matter of time before MI6 starts pushing whites into India in truckloads (citing grandparents born in India, etc.). These guys will then be pushed into becoming lawyers, judges, editors, NGO owners, book publishing houses ... this is a big loophole that can be exploited

Works in reverse too. If your parent was born in UK, they are already a British citizen. And you would be either automatically be one, or be eligible to be one too in many cases with some exceptions. I know that first hand.

The purpose here is to understand the rules and how they apply in this situation. Conspiracy is a separate topic.

OCI card be cancelled for activities inimical to Indian interests. It is a privilege, not a fundamental right

That part is true. It is just a glorified green card, not a 'citizenship' as such.

[chetak]

from the TOI(let)

[Mort Walker]

If white guys can get OCI, then it is only a matter of time before MI6 starts pushing whites into India in truckloads (citing grandparents born in India, etc.). These guys will then be pushed into becoming lawyers, judges, editors, NGO owners, book publishing houses ... this is a big loophole that can be exploited

Works in reverse too. If your parent was born in UK, they are already a British citizen. And you would be either automatically be one, or be eligible to be one too in many cases with some exceptions. I know that first hand.

The purpose here is to understand the rules and how they apply in this situation. Conspiracy is a separate topic.

OCI card be cancelled for activities inimical to Indian interests. It is a privilege, not a fundamental right

That part is true. It is just a glorified green card, not a 'citizenship' as such.

OCI still has the words Citizen in it when it is a permanent residency permit. I think GoI missed an opportunity with CAA to remove OCI and change it Permanent Indian Resident (PIO) with a code of conduct to get rid of people like the Belgian turd (Jean Dreze) and Islamist apologist William Dalrymple.

[Suraj]

Jean Dreze is not an OCI. He's as far as I know, a naturalized Indian citizen - he's been that for almost 20 years now. No fan of his policies but he had the conviction to give up his European nationality to attain the Indian one. Unlike Aatish Taseer or Dalrymple .

Yes the term 'Citizen' in OCI causes a lot of confusion but we're aware of the difference and the issue here isn't ambiguity about that. It's what Dalrymple's immigration status is at all.

[Jarita]

Jean Dreze is not an OCI. He's as far as I know, a naturalized Indian citizen - he's been that for almost 20 years now. No fan of his policies but he had the conviction to give up his European nationality to attain the Indian one. Unlike Aatish Taseer or Dalrymple .

Yes the term 'Citizen' in OCI causes a lot of confusion but we're aware of the difference and the issue here isn't ambiguity about that. It's what Dalrymple's immigration status is at all.

Jean Dreze has the conviction of a missionary to become an Indian citizen.
There is no reason for India to NOT have similar citizenship laws to Japan and the middle east. As a civilizational state, India need not ape the economic states of the west. Right now, India's laws are too porous because of the colonized babudom and policy makers who are perpetually aping the west while defining policy models and development goals. This is what allows the likes of Maino and that Gogoi's progeny to get through. More stringent laws are not a bad thing, especially those going back multiple generations. At the very least, a person sitting in the Indian parliament should have two parents who were Indian citizens.

[Suraj]

Indian naturalization laws aren't a whole lot more liberal than Japan's. The only difference with them is the language test they have, which I think is a fine idea for India as well - the applicant must demonstrate fluency in at least one Indian language. Otherwise - from firsthand experience - there's little difference dealing with Indian and Japanese immigration and citizenship. If anything, India does make it harder for kids born outside India who have another citizenship, to also have Indian citizenship. In comparison, Japan is actually the more liberal one - kids get to keep Japanese + other citizenship until 22 when they need to choose. The Naomi Osaka story is a case in point.

[hnair]

Suraj, bit late in this discussion, but I have employed foreign nationals for teaching specialist courses in Trivandrum, after processing their visas. The approach was as consultant visa for six months, extendible to a year.

After a year, you go into an employment visa. Once you get into that stream, the compensation range shoots up like crazy and it is not normally sustainable to employee specialists beyond a year due to that. Worst is for teachers - for any subjects (other than three specific languages), if we hire a qualified teacher, the salaries should start usually at 22k USD per annum. It comes to roughly 1.5 lacs per month as starters. A lot of highly qualified Europeans are willing to work for just half that price + accommodations, but they won’t be allowed in via work visa for that rate.

So my only option was to let go after a year and hire new ones. But as consultants, we provided them fully furnished housing and an honorarium approach. Again there were issues - these folks were not allowed PAN, so we got some other taxing stream. And because there was no PAN, no bank account or SIM for phones. My institution provided them the phones and in my name. I tell them (and I am not joking) that I will personally throw a beat down if they flout even a single Indian law before being bundled back. The responsibility is scary. I get called once a while by the dark glasses of FRRO asking “why is that ruskie you have, jangling his spurs in XYZ beach more than once, bruh?” And I call the said ruskie and ask to get his pasty ass back to city.

So it is a tight ship, unlike what posters here are wailing about. You need to be racketeer and a lowlife to escape the current Indian system, but will be caught sooner than later.

To get back to your question, Darlynple must be running In a consultant visa mode (and it can be renewed nearly indefinitely under certain conditions) or must be registered as a teaching staff for specific languages. Or his wife has OCI. But enough said - he was always under watch and maybe he has not yet overstepped boundaries beyond being an unseemly socialite tampon.

As a civilizational state, India need not ape the economic states of the west. Right now, India's laws are too porous because of the colonized babudom and policy makers who are perpetually aping the west while defining policy models and development goals.

Jarita, till 400 years back, India was a bonafide knowledge super power because we were not xenophobic about people flowing in from all parts of world. A pole position that Khan holds today.

At some point we have to revert to that status that khan overtook us, by attracting the best brains of outside world. Just one example is sufficient - One of China’s greatest literary work, “Journey to the West” is about monk Tripitaka (zhuan Zhang) traveling to India for sutras. Because the unknown author of that literary era knows that there was only one place where supreme knowledge base resided. What we can guess is that Tripitaka, when he landed in India, will be bringing in his own knowledge base of Chinese tech, philosophies etc to the academia that he is planning to plug into. We can treat him in a xenophobic fashion or utilize him for betterment of India. Up to us.

My point is America aped ancient India in attracting smart people. Not vice versa as you claim above. For every naxalite prick like Dreze and Dalrymple, there are 10 smart gora/goris like Jobs or Lennon, who want to travel here and sometimes want to stay back and contribute. I personally get many applications for the institution from superbly qualified very young folks who want to be in India for sometime, for what they claim “to teach what I know and teach me what you know” mode. And they are not even looking at monetary benefits - self discovery is a huge deal once you are learned.

More than the “beg steal borrow” strategy if China, it is this knowledge magnet approach that we once excelled at, and which we should go back to, that is going to give us a bunch of Hans Beths, Fermis, Einsteins, Ulams etc, who is going to be a cog in the defense of Dharma

And if we don’t like some of them, deport them. Just don’t shut the door for exceptional people who love India And I found out there are many, many, MANY such folks. Right now, it is very very tough for even extraordinarily qualified individuals to be given an Indian salary, even if they are ok with that. That should be reformed a bit.

[m_saini]

Jobs and Lennon came to India on their hippie trip in search of "enlightenment" or whatever that means. Essentially they wanted to smoke weed with the weird Indian babas to open up the creative pathways in their degenerate minds. There's actually a specific name given to this, the Hippie Trail. I don't think they came to India out of the love of the culture or the people.

And people like Einsteins had plenty of colorful xenophobic views about Indians, Japanese and the Chinese:

“It would be a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races. For the likes of us the mere thought is unspeakably dreary.”

We would be unwise to think that white man would come to india pulled by our knowledge magnet and be a cog in the defense of Dharma. Brilliant people will go where there is money to be made, which happens to be America for the last 60 or so years. Despite China being Xenophobic and employing their "beg steal borrow" strategy, white americans still flock there to make money. Orgs like NBA, Hollywood etc bend over backwards for them while nobody cares when we whine about hinduphobia. There's plenty of extraordinary indian doctors and surgeons cleaning toilets in America while average Americans write wrong prescriptions. So it has never been about making it easier for extraordinary people.

Anyway, I don't think America aped ancient India. 400 years ago we were under Islamic rule and the East India Company were getting ready to plunder us some more.

[KL Dubey]

That part is true. It is just a glorified green card, not a 'citizenship' as such.

But is is MORE than a green card. OCIs do not have any residency requirements in order to maintain status and do nearly everything that an Indian can do in India. A very generous facility that is provided by very few (if any) countries to foreigners. That is why it is not called a "residence permit".

The US green card does not allow extended absences from the US unless you submit paperwork.

[Suraj]

Yes I understand that - OCI has perks beyond what a green card does.

hnair: thanks for the detailed response ! Good to know the FRRO folks are vigilant in Malloostan. I wonder if they are as competent in Dilli too .

The concept of employment visa is tied to a visiting person being a temporary academic presence, or a professional adding value to the local economy . This is why I want to know what Dalrymple’s status is. He has no obvious contribution to India . He’s a leech who is using his skin color . He is not fluent in any Indian language, which however seems to be a job requirement to be a historian in India .

Being a writer and ‘historian’ seems a tenuous basis for an employment visa . Do you have pointers to official visa requirement information clarifying whether these are fields where we issue visas ? 35 years of visa renewals for being a 0 net contributor to the country seems incredibly pointless , a law worth changing to get rid of such leeches .

[AshishA]

We would be unwise to think that white man would come to india pulled by our knowledge magnet and be a cog in the defense of Dharma.

Don't know about white man but from what I am seeing from social media, strangely white woman marrying an Indian and staying in India become defenders of Dharma.

And as for the men, there are people like David Frawley. So we cannot say everyone will be like Lenon or Jobs.

[chetak]

Jean Dreze is not an OCI. He's as far as I know, a naturalized Indian citizen - he's been that for almost 20 years now. No fan of his policies but he had the conviction to give up his European nationality to attain the Indian one. Unlike Aatish Taseer or Dalrymple .

Yes the term 'Citizen' in OCI causes a lot of confusion but we're aware of the difference and the issue here isn't ambiguity about that. It's what Dalrymple's immigration status is at all.

this is just a convinient ploy and a cover for jean dreze's activities. He also lives in some dilli slum per some reports and is "married" to bela bhatia, a hard core naxal and a prominient over ground worker meddling in the tribal community affairs.

it's always so convenient to have an "Indian" face for such shady activities.

as a connected BIF commie, jean dreze can get back his belgian citizenship in the flash of a second because as a naturalized Indian citizen, his stay in India is at the mercy of the Govt which can legally withdraw his citizenship and deport him.

he is a core member of the congi's other face, the commie nexus and was part of the illegal cabal, the eyetalian mafia run national advisory council (NAC).

[vijayk]

It's not so easy to kick these guys out. They have learned how to use anti-national and international media to abuse in vilest form, lie, do propaganda with full brazenness. If they are touched, the eco system will create a a huge outcry against yindoo RW Govt, Modi, BJP, RSS.

[KJo]

Don't know about white man but from what I am seeing from social media, strangely white woman marrying an Indian and staying in India become defenders of Dharma.

And as for the men, there are people like David Frawley. So we cannot say everyone will be like Lenon or Jobs.

I think it's more of a man-woman psychology thing.
Women adjust much better than men and generally try to meld into their marital surroundings. A woman born in a Dharmic society marrying a Jihadi peaceful is highly likely to turn Adharmic and abuse her own people and become more jihadi than a Jihadi. Gori women marrying dharmically tuned men also tend to become very dharmic and become a part of society - I have seen a few like this of my parents' generation. In contrast, men find it hard to change themselves after a certain age. Exceptions always apply.

[m_saini]

Don't know about white man but from what I am seeing from social media, strangely white woman marrying an Indian and staying in India become defenders of Dharma.

And as for the men, there are people like David Frawley. So we cannot say everyone will be like Lenon or Jobs.

It's nice to see people like David Frawley but they are a very small subset. Chinese and Japanese are more xenophobic than us and they probably get more white people to fight on their behalf than us. I guess my point is it's upto us, Indians, to protect dharma and if we lose the fight then no amount of white people will save us. People will always flock to the side who they think is winning.

When we become a 20 or even a 10T economy, there will be plenty more people singing praises about how ancient india was the center of the universe.

[vijayk]

[chetak]

There is no smoke without fire.

the govt has been encouraging this socially progressive step for some time now but the muslim termites have found a new way to tunnel into the body politic and are doing the very obvious by paying off "sympathetic" elements into the marking up the results and using foolish govt concessions to skate by the interview process.

This marks a new jehadi tactic in their overall ghazwa e hind strategy


Controversy erupts after Sudarshan News publishes a snippet of its upcoming report on Muslims clearing UPSC exams: All you need to know

27 August, 2020
OpIndia Staff

Left-liberals media houses have published innumerable stories on alleged Brahmin and upper dominance in judiciary, bureaucracy etc. Such media houses even segregate soldiers based on caste, but now have problem if someone studies number of Muslims in civil and police services.


Hindi news channel Sudarshan News has triggered outrage after it aired a promo for a program to be broadcast on 28 August. Multiple police associations have criticised the channel and demanded action against it, while several cases have been filed by activists against the channel and its editor at various places.

Sudarshan News chief editor Suresh Chavhanke had posted a video of the program to be aired on 28th August, where he had informed that the channel is analysing that they claim is the sudden increase in the number of Muslims selected in various posts in administrative and police services in the country, along with an increase in marks obtained by Muslim candidates in compared with others.

He had announced that it will be the channel’s big campaign against the ‘bureaucracy jihad’ and ‘UPSC Jihad’. ‘imagine jihadis from Jamia becoming your district commissioner and secretaries in every ministry’ he warned in the dramatic video.

#सावधान
लोकतंत्र के सबसे महत्वपूर्ण स्तंभ कार्यपालिका के सबसे बड़े पदों पर मुस्लिम घुसपैठ का पर्दाफ़ाश.

#UPSC_Jihad #नौकरशाही_जिहाद

देश को झकझोर देने वाली इस सीरीज़ का लगातार प्रसारण प्रतिदिन. शुक्रवार 28 अगस्त रात 8 बजे से सिर्फ सुदर्शन न्यूज़ पर.@narendramodi @RSSorg pic.twitter.com/B103VYjlmt

— Suresh Chavhanke “Sudarshan News” (@SureshChavhanke) August 25, 2020
After the controversial video was posted, it attacked criticism from various sides, notably from left-liberals and Islamists. It was alleged that Suresh Chavhanke is spreading hate against Muslims, and leftist portals started publishing articles criticising him and his channel.

Soon, Muslim activists started filing case against the editor and the channel at various places across the country. Congress ideologist Tehseen Poonawalla wrote to Delhi police demanding action against the channel saying that the program is blatantly communal and it will incite hatred and violence against Muslim citizens.

Respected @CPDelhi , I have written to wrt to the show "Naukarshai mai Musalmano ki Ghuspate " to be telecasted on @SudarshanNewsTV .
The program is blatantly communal & will incite hatred & violence against our Muslim Fellow citizens.
Cc @DelhiPolice#SuspendSureshChavhanke pic.twitter.com/UQA3Eqi0eR

— Tehseen Poonawalla Official (@tehseenp) August 27, 2020
Another person adcvocate Saif Alam informed that he has filed a complaint against Suresh Chavhanke with the Mumbai police.

Filed a complaint against the Editor -in- chief, Sudarshan News Mr. Suresh Chavhanke under section 153A, 153B, 504, 505 (1) of IPC & s.67 of IT act at Trombay Police station (Mumbai)
We won't tolerate any more venoms from media against minorities. #Indiagainsthate pic.twitter.com/hN4oSTbMam

— Advocate Saif Alam (@Advsaifalam) August 27, 2020
The matter escalated further after that, and the IPS association posted a tweet from its official Twitter handle condemning the report by Sudarshan News. “We condemn the communal and irresponsible piece of journalism”, they tweeted based on the short clip about the upcoming news report.

A news story targeting candidates in civil services on the basis of religion is being promoted by Sudarshan TV.

We condemn the communal and irresponsible piece of journalism.

— IPS Association (@IPS_Association) August 27, 2020
The Indian Police foundation also posted a similar tweet. “The hate story carried on a Noida TV channel against minority candidates joining IAS /IPS is dangerous bigotry”. They said that the story has been carried on a Noida TV channel, but the fact is that the report is yet to be aired, and all the outrage is on promo of the program.

The hate story carried on a Noida TV channel against minority candidates joining IAS /IPS is dangerous bigotry. We refrain from retweeting it because it is pure venom. We hope #NewsBroadcastingStandardsAuthority, #UPPolice and concerned government authorities take strict action.

— Indian Police Foundation (@IPF_ORG) August 27, 2020
They also asked the News Broadcasting Standards Authority, UP Police and concerned government authorities to take strict action in the matter.

The otherwise ‘free speech champions’ demanded that police should take action against the channel.

Ask your counterparts in U.P to register a case, this is a noida based channel.

— vijaita singh (@vijaita) August 27, 2020
Sudarshan TV has been honoured by their bigotry being called 'irresponsible journalism' I saw this man with 3-4 Police gunners in Ayodhya on 5th Aug. Bigotry bites at unexpected places. #SuspendSureshChavhanke https://t.co/Q9zT4MrXai

— Sanket Upadhyay संकेत उपाध्याय (@sanket) August 27, 2020
Islamist also tried to trend the hashtag #SuspendSureshChavhanke, demanding that Twitter suspend the Twitter handle of Suresh Chavhanke.

#SuspendSureshChavhanke for sharing hateful tweets targeting a community.
CC : @TwitterSafety @TwitterSupport @TwitterSupport @misskaul @vijaya @TwitterIndia @verified https://t.co/5vxh3JekPz

— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) August 26, 2020
Will @CMOMaharashtra do something to stop this hate factory running from his state? #SuspendSureshChavhanke#ArrestSureshChavhanke https://t.co/qdmANnDwA7

— Milli Gazette (@milligazette) August 27, 2020
When Muslims do not study, you call them ‘puncturewallas’ & when they do study and when Jamia University gets No1 ranking in India, you call it job jihad. What do hate mongers like @SureshChavhanke and his hate factory @SudarshanNewsTV want Muslims to do? #SuspendSureshChavhanke

— Salman Nizami (@SalmanNizami_) August 27, 2020
Following the massive outrage from liberals and Islamists, Suresh Chavhanke responded to the same, saying that the program is about “Sudden spike in no of people of certain category selected in UPSC Civils in the last few years”. Responding the tweet by IPS Association, he saying that unfortunately the organisation is twisting without knowing the issue. He also invited the organisation to their program for participating in the discussion.

Unfortunate that @IPS_Association twisting without knowing the issue.

Issue is sudden spike in no of people of certain category selected in UPSC Civils in the last few years.

You're invited to participate in our program for informed discussion, if you care for UPSC objectivity. https://t.co/jy4wJXhljk

— Suresh Chavhanke “Sudarshan News” (@SureshChavhanke) August 27, 2020
Reacting to the tweet by Indian Police foundation, he clarified that the program is not about current IAS and IPS officials, but they are examining the selection process. He invited them also to participate in the program.

Suresh Chavhanke also claimed that terror leader Zakir Naik is also involved in the alleged conspiracy.

Not only terror group, but the leader of all the terror groups #ZakirNaik is involved in this conspiracy. Watch #UPSC_Jihad 1st and then react #नौकरशाही_जिहाद from 28 Aug 8pm daily https://t.co/vsPSOh7NbM

— Suresh Chavhanke “Sudarshan News” (@SureshChavhanke) August 27, 2020
Although the program is yet to be aired and its exact nature is not known, many people pointed out that what the program is pointing out is already done regularly by liberals and leftists media houses who are attacking the channel now. Sudarshan News is alleged of hatred against Muslims for talking about increased number of Muslim candidates in UPSC exams, but such analysis is regularly peddled by leftists, when they do caste-based analyses.

Shekhar Gupta worried about number of brahmins in Supreme Court is journalism. The Caravan counting number of brahmins in administratiom is journalism but how dare @SureshChavhanke count number of muslims. Example of what Suresh said https://t.co/98hJb3qSnt pic.twitter.com/i2hJgK4M8U

— Facts (@BefittingFacts) August 27, 2020
Did you condemn this? Or targetting Brahmins is a normal thing? pic.twitter.com/nh2gSJ8IJV

— Facts (@BefittingFacts) August 27, 2020
Left-liberals media houses have published innumerable stories on alleged Brahmin and upper dominance in judiciary, bureaucracy etc. Such media houses even segregate soldiers based on caste, but now have problem if someone studies number of Muslims in civil and police services.

A study done by Yugaparivartan portal three years ago confirms the conclusion of Sudarshan News. The study based on UPSC exam result in 2017 had shown that Muslims on average get 13 marks more at the interview stage as compared to other communities. The analysis had shown that when Muslim and non-Muslim candidates obtained equal marks in the written exam, the Muslim candidates got more marks at the interview stage. The portal had claimed that the study revealed bias at interview stage in favour of Muslims as compared to other communities.

Similarly, 18 students trained by Zakat Foundation had cleared the UPSC exams last year, causing worry about growing influence of Islamists on the Indian babudom. Zakat Foundation is an NGO founded on ‘Islamic principles’ carrying out various activities, which includes ‘coaching’ for civil services, specially aimed at helping Muslim students. Former IAS officer who took the plunge and floated his own political party, Shah Faesal, is one of the most popular alumni of Zakat Foundation. Faesal, who had topped the civil service examination in 2010 had called India ‘Rapistan’.

Once the program is broadcast on 28 August by Sudarshan News, it is expected that some of the doubt about the program will be cleared.

[Vayutuvan]

35 years of visa renewals for being a 0 net contributor to the country seems incredibly pointless , a law worth changing to get rid of such leeches .

I don't know but there could be some laws which are dependent on investments in Inda. In the US, we do have such a law. If one invests $750K in a business and doesn't live off of the investment (for example, they cannot simply buy a house and live there), then one can get a GC immediately.

(Added later): Here is a news item from 2016

https://fortune.com/2016/08/31/india-in ... ency-visa/

India is hoping to shore up greater foreign investment by way of a new special residency program, according to reports.

Lawmakers on Wednesday signed off on a plan that would allow foreign investors to live in India under so-called “permanent residency status,” though the visas will be issued on an initial period of 10 years.

Also from Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... investment

India Considers $1.5 Million Residence Visa to Woo Investment
By Abhijit Roy Chowdhury and Bibhudatta Pradhan
August 30, 2016, 1:31 PM CDT Updated on August 31, 2016, 10:14 AM CDT
Entrepreneurs could stay as long as 20 years under new program
India faces big competition from likes of Hong Kong, Singapore
India is aspiring to compete with the likes of Singapore and Hong Kong for foreign entrepreneurs by offering residence in return for investment.

Foreigners investing 100 million rupees ($1.5 million) over 18 months, or 250 million rupees over three years, would be eligible to live in India for 10 years, the government said in a statement in New Delhi on Wednesday. This so-called permanent residency status could be extended by another decade providing certain conditions are met.
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Considering Dalrymple is born to a Baronet, that amount might be quite easy for him.

Dalrymple is the son of Sir Hew Hamilton-Dalrymple, 10th Baronet, and Lady Anne-Louise Keppel, a daughter of the 9th Earl of Albemarle. He is a cousin of Virginia Woolf. His brother, Jock, was a first-class cricketer. He was educated at Ampleforth College and Trinity College, Cambridge, where he was first a history exhibitioner and then a senior history scholar.

Dalrymple also got several cash awards as well as visiting professorships at Princeton and Brown. They would have paid him quite handsomely. The man seems to be independently wealthy.

[chetak]

look at how the sickulars have pushing for the postponement of these entrance exams

meanwhile, back at the ranch.............

DD News@DDNewslive·Aug 26

JEE (Main)
A total of 7.41 lakh candidates out of 8.58 lakh have downloaded the admit cards. Only 332 candidates have requested for change of their centre cities, which are being considered positively.

[Vayutuvan]

Immigration law does not give weight to love of country. Lots of Indians love YooEss culture but that doesn’t give them a visa or green card.

Yes true. I am merely mentioning a mitigating factor.

[Ambar]

look at how the sickulars have pushing for the postponement of these entrance exams

meanwhile, back at the ranch.............

DD News@DDNewslive·Aug 26

JEE (Main)
A total of 7.41 lakh candidates out of 8.58 lakh have downloaded the admit cards. Only 332 candidates have requested for change of their centre cities, which are being considered positively.

After lighting the fire on a dry hay sack and unleashing his army of ardent bots, SuSwamy has now quietly withdrawn saying "its too late, judge wont listed yaada yaada". Its only a matter of time before he hitches his wagon to whatever is in the news next to claim credit or needle the government.

[KL Dubey]

Considering Dalrymple is born to a Baronet, that amount might be quite easy for him.

Not sure what you are getting at here. He may indeed have "family money" or other funds to afford his lifestyle, but the immigration question is different.

The investor visa wasn't available till 2016, and it is for people who are going to invest in India (a specific business or other allowed investment avenue)...not just anyone who shows they have a bank account with $1.5M. In case of this guy, it is not clear what investment he made (unless he has invested into a publisher like Bloomsbury which then helps him by publishing his work).

In any case, this would not explain how he had regular residence in India all the way back since 1989. Or is it possible he had a cozy arrangement somewhere with the Indian establishment that got his travel papers cleared periodically ?

One must also wonder if he was allowed to enter India without hindrance through the "good offices" of the UK embassy or goremint that pulled some strings to get him some kind of back-channel travel permit. And the question of why they would do that - is he (and/or his wife) possibly an "asset" ?

[banrjeer]

Don't know about white man but from what I am seeing from social media, strangely white woman marrying an Indian and staying in India become defenders of Dharma.

And as for the men, there are people like David Frawley. So we cannot say everyone will be like Lenon or Jobs.

It's nice to see people like David Frawley but they are a very small subset. Chinese and Japanese are more xenophobic than us and they probably get more white people to fight on their behalf than us. I guess my point is it's upto us, Indians, to protect dharma and if we lose the fight then no amount of white people will save us. People will always flock to the side who they think is winning.

When we become a 20 or even a 10T economy, there will be plenty more people singing praises about how ancient india was the center of the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xpAa0LxrjU
Most interesting interview in a long time. It talks about China, At the end Spalding analyses how he himself a senior USAF veteran, was co-opted by the CCP.

[banrjeer]

It's nice to see people like David Frawley but they are a very small subset. Chinese and Japanese are more xenophobic than us and they probably get more white people to fight on their behalf than us. I guess my point is it's upto us, Indians, to protect dharma and if we lose the fight then no amount of white people will save us. People will always flock to the side who they think is winning.

When we become a 20 or even a 10T economy, there will be plenty more people singing praises about how ancient india was the center of the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xpAa0LxrjU
Most interesting interview in a long time. It talks about China, At the end Spalding analyses how he himself a senior USAF veteran, was co-opted by the CCP.

Theres also another factor. When everyone is lining unto get into China, it was easier for them to set the rules of engagement. India is at the bottom of the barrel for now and has to make do with the B team who denigrate India and demand their pound of flesh. Both factors feed into each other.

[Vayutuvan]

Considering Dalrymple is born to a Baronet, that amount might be quite easy for him.
Not sure what you are getting at here. He may indeed have "family money" or other funds to afford his lifestyle, but the immigration question is different.

Actually there are two interrelated questions here. One is his visa status. The other is how is he able to own a farmhouse in Mehrauli given that (putatively) he is not an Indian Citizen.

As for the latter, it is not out of the realm of possibility that he is a tenant at a farmhouse which is owned by an Indian citizen. It would be well within his rights to claim that it is his farmhouse as long as he is following the conditions laid down in the rental agreement.

As for his long stay, he may not be working for money at all, i.e. he may not be freelancing for money. There are no limits on how many times he can come and go and how many times he can apply for a visa, are there? It is not only conceivable but almost certain that he would be flying out of India every six months.

I don't think we can pin this fellow down that easily.

[Jarita]

Jarita, till 400 years back, India was a bonafide knowledge super power because we were not xenophobic about people flowing in from all parts of world. A pole position that Khan holds today.

At some point we have to revert to that status that khan overtook us, by attracting the best brains of outside world. Just one example is sufficient - One of China’s greatest literary work, “Journey to the West” is about monk Tripitaka (zhuan Zhang) traveling to India for sutras. Because the unknown author of that literary era knows that there was only one place where supreme knowledge base resided. What we can guess is that Tripitaka, when he landed in India, will be bringing in his own knowledge base of Chinese tech, philosophies etc to the academia that he is planning to plug into. We can treat him in a xenophobic fashion or utilize him for betterment of India. Up to us.

My point is America aped ancient India in attracting smart people. Not vice versa as you claim above. For every naxalite prick like Dreze and Dalrymple, there are 10 smart gora/goris like Jobs or Lennon, who want to travel here and sometimes want to stay back and contribute. I personally get many applications for the institution from superbly qualified very young folks who want to be in India for sometime, for what they claim “to teach what I know and teach me what you know” mode. And they are not even looking at monetary benefits - self discovery is a huge deal once you are learned.

Thank you for your cogent and precise response. I would respectfully disagree for the following reasons.

1) India is a civilisational state of which economy is a critical part but part nevertheless. The Anglo empire is essentially a trade based conglomerate and trade of resources - be it human or otherwise, utilization of these resources, is a critical driver of the growth of the empire. To be a Bharatiya is much more than being a good, talented resource. There has to be a complete alignment with the culture and ethos of the land. There has to be a willingness to give up oneself for the civilization. We are the most ancient continuing civilization in the world. We are the greatest civilization as civilizations go. And this is not a club open for all.
2) To guard the perimeters on who comes in, is not xenophobic especially when we have suffered so much due to being extra generous in allowing people to come in. Someday, as we unravel our series of colonisations, we will how this inward flow in the 500-600 years might have hurt us. You already see distinctive enclaves being set up in Mountain States and Coastal areas, where the next generation will have claims if we don't watch out. Nationalism for a mega civilization is a healthy thing and in no way parallel to say micro states like Israel or even the European homogenous states. We are already a highly pluralistic civilization. We do not need to prove anything to anyone. To house the hundreds of languages and tribes as we do, requires a degree of tolerance that has no parallel. I fear that this porosity will not benefit us and infact serve as a huge faultline. It will dilute our identify and seed future problems.
3) We need not worry about talent being 1.3bn people. Our problem is NOT talent deficit but the inability to nurture this talent. With the second largest poor population in the world what we need is policy and capital to make this talent equivalent to anything. If we require the talent, it can be a temporary arrangement. The kimono need not be opened up in entirety. They can work and they can leave. We have all sorts of intellectual, physical talent banks of our own.
4) People like David Frawley are an exception rather than a rule. Exceptions can always be accommodated and it should always require significant proof given our history and how precious our civilization is. There are those who claim to love India too but it's a different love such as the plethora of missionaries and the lady in Kolkata. Jean Dreze is cut from that cloth. At the very best they want to destroy Indian civilization but they come in, in the guise of loving India's poor. There are communities that have taken shelter and during India's colonization have supported the colonialists. Now I see a lot of marriages with goras and the kids are essentially deracinated but the still have a claim to this civilization. You have to see how the entire Holkar lineage was destroyed with the American wife. The progeny are toxic BIF.

In summary, it's not worth the risk. We need stricter laws and bhoomiputra laws to safeguard the future of the civilization. Some of is might be affected, especially those who live outside. In that case, so be it. The civilization is greater than the individual.

[Suraj]

As for his long stay, he may not be working for money at all, i.e. he may not be freelancing for money. There are no limits on how many times he can come and go and how many times he can apply for visa, are there? It is not only conceivable but almost certain that he would be flying out of India every six months.

"Freelancing" in general is not permissible under any sort of professional visa. If Indian immigration law defines this loosely, it's definitely something to be tightened. There's way an Indian person can go to US or UK embassy and ask for a visa , saying they intend to support themselves by freelancing. They'd be shown the door immediately.

[Vayutuvan]

The point is this fellow may not be supporting himself by freelancing. My further point is that we might be going on a "fool's errand" to find something against Dalrymple.

[chetak]

[Suraj]

The point is this fellow may not be supporting himself by freelancing. My further point is that we might be going on a "fool's errand" to find something against Dalrymple.

It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t support you . You can’t freelance on a visitor , student or professional visa in the US , for example . Doing so gets you deported . Independent business initiative is not permitted, unless it’s a business or investor visa where the applicant brings $$$.

For example if you babysit someone’s child while on an H1B , in exchange for cash or non cash benefits like food, that’s grounds for deportation . Only passive income sources are ok, eg you can invest in stock market, rent a home or other property out. But for that you need to make an income and invest it into the local economy.

Visas are issued to serve the host nations interest. H1Bs don’t get to take time off and maintain mental and spiritual health - if they lose jobs they’re to pack their bags and get out asap unless they find another sponsor and work for that co , subject to specific rules.

Unless he’s an OCI, it’s not a fools errand to know what visa enables such freedom of activity in a foreign country because I can’t think of his own country enabling an Indian to do anything like what he does - on a visa of any kind .

Dalrymple was born in 1965. He’s been in India continuously since 1986, ie 21 years old . He has not had education in India . He has no functional knowledge of any Indian language after 35 years. He is a political activist / freelancer / page 3 ‘influencer’. Name a developed country where you can go at that age and have this lifestyle for 3.5 decades ? This is not about this person as such . I’d like to know what it is about our immigration system that permits such leeches to thrive , because it’s somehing that needs fixing.

[SRajesh]

https://youtu.be/tkBQK_6I6Lo
https://youtu.be/LWcQ-QyMxO4
Will there be another break in the party
or these guys being groomed for the breakaway faction to prop up in J&K and elsewhere

[Ambar]

The old guard clearly sees their carefully built and nurtured century old ecosystem is now crumbling,even in many of the former congress bastions they can barely form governments on their own. There were rumors going back to 2019 general elections that a lot of old heads butted heads with Rahul Gandhis "imported experts" about the messaging and direction of the party. I, for one do not see a split, these old timers have not shown any spine so its unlikely they'll break into a new faction when they are in their 70s and 80s. But yes, post Sonia maino its anyones guess how long will her incompetent kids be able to hold on to the leash.

[Vayutuvan]

Thanks. Please update here regularly too with any interesting information.

please retweet - otherwise it dosent go anywhere...

@V_Raman ji, could you please link the tweet here so that some of us who are on twitter can retweet. I have a fair enough following. Some of my followers have a much larger following.

Added later: Found it.

[chetak]

even major political parties would find it extremely difficult to coordinate 3 "interviews" in such a short period of time and in such a synchronised and systematically harmonized manner.

there are very strong rumors that rhea chakraborty's "interviews" were funded and managed by the drug lobby.

MAH govt has given a police escort for rhea chakraborty when she moves to and from the CBI offices

three english channels were involved in this PR exercise with many hindi channels too. It must have cost the organisers a bomb

Many truckloads of black lentils onlee

Chayan Chatterjee@Satyanewshi·17h
#ShameOnNDTV

Rhea Chakraborty did TV hopping today: first an “exclusive interview” with Aajtak then witn CNN News18 now NDTV

3 successive interviews in 4 hours. Only a PR agency can arrange that kind of “multi-exclusive” publicity how much was spent on this?

Chayan Chatterjee@Satyanewshi·Aug 27

#ShameOnAajTak

mawali #Rajdeep comes to Mumbai in CHARTERED PLANE to do an interview

ED will come out with how much was paid to get this PR stunt

[V_Raman]

please retweet - otherwise it dosent go anywhere...

@V_Raman ji, could you please link the tweet here so that some of us who are on twitter can retweet. I have a fair enough following. Some of my followers have a much larger following.

Added later: Found it.

Thx for retweeting - https://twitter.com/vramanx/status/1298314074032226304

[Jarita]

even major political parties would find it extremely difficult to coordinate 3 "interviews" in such a short period of time and in such a synchronised and systematically harmonized manner.

there are very strong rumors that rhea chakraborty's "interviews" were funded and managed by the drug lobby.

MAH govt has given a police escort for rhea chakraborty when she moves to and from the CBI offices

three english channels were involved in this PR exercise with many hindi channels too. It must have cost the organisers a bomb

Many truckloads of black lentils onlee

Chayan Chatterjee@Satyanewshi·17h
#ShameOnNDTV

Rhea Chakraborty did TV hopping today: first an “exclusive interview” with Aajtak then witn CNN News18 now NDTV

3 successive interviews in 4 hours. Only a PR agency can arrange that kind of “multi-exclusive” publicity how much was spent on this?

Chayan Chatterjee@Satyanewshi·Aug 27

#ShameOnAajTak

mawali #Rajdeep comes to Mumbai in CHARTERED PLANE to do an interview

ED will come out with how much was paid to get this PR stunt

This whole thing is becoming more and more bizarre. Anyways, kudos to the guys fans for keeping the heat on. I hope this leads to a partial dismantling of the hawala, trafficking lobby in Bollywood. Drugs, meh! It cannot be just for drugs. Go to any of the uppity convent schools where high school kids have access to this stuff. If it is a murder, it's a lot more than that.

[CRamS]

^^^ I only recently started paying to this case given the hype, but as of now, I am not seeing any smoking gun on the murder angle, and the Mumbai police & Sonia Sena providing cover to the killers. Unless of course TV channels like Republic and TimesNow have something potent which they cannot reveal for whatever reason

[Vayutuvan]

@CRamSha.. ji, you are right on the dot (as usual). this is not going anywhere.
fast. it is a deadend I think.

[pankajs]

The SSR case has moved beyond his death investigation. With the involvement of ED and NCB, its ambit has widened considerably.

The Maharashtra gov and Mumbai police comitted a grave mistake when they tried to bury it at the initial days terming it a "suicide" within minutes and without an investigation or a suicide note.

A cleverer way would have to open an FIR and bury it after the initial fury subsided just as has happened with many bhaiwood cases in the past. Now they have allowed the entry of central agencies over whom they have no control and there will be consequences.

While SSR's fan did play their role it would have been impossible without the backing of Doorknob and his strident rhetoric. Doorknob singlehandedly kept the issue alive when everyone was ready to bury the case. Credit to doorknob.

[SRajesh]

If anyone wants a PDF version of Delhi riots please let me know I can forward it.
Don't know how to post it here.