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KL Dubey wrote:
Cain Marko wrote: Even if it is 5:1 in favor of Biden, shouldn't the other 20% be Trump's? Iows, how come Trump's tally remain the same while bidens shoots up by 140k votes? Or is this some kind of graphical misrepresentation?
Read my post again. You're mistaken that it was 100-0. Look at the graph and the actual data. Trump's tally was also updated, it is just below Biden's. A margin of 38,000 votes.
I'm not seeing any tampering with the graph?
Can you post a link that shows traces of tampering? And the numbers too? Thanks.
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KL Dubey wrote: Surprised that BRF is falling for this type of BS. These large upticks are very common in urban areas where Dems routinely bring in 3:1 to 5:1 vote ratios over Reps. In some localities it is much more...you cannot find anyone who is voting Rep. The Dem vote tends to be very concentrated.

Traditionally, Rep voters are spread out in rural and suburban areas and they win elections by picking up small numbers of votes everywhere. You will not see these big upticks for Reps.

Ji, I accept, in fact I started saying the same things in my post. Yes, you're right, the uptick in the blue line hides the little rise in the red line, so it is not that all those votes went Dem. But I did think it was suspicious that the uptick in the blue line dwarfed the one in the red line. If as you say, it is routine that there are 3:1 or 5:1 ratios, then that also makes sense, so thank you.

I was pointing out that there were similar upticks earlier in the day also for MI, both for blue and for red.
Also, look at the graph. It seems doctored (added later: or the graphics software has some issue)...the Rep graph just below the Dem graph seems to have been erased out, although you can still see a trace of it. Trump also got votes, but much lower than Biden. The final margin is still razor thin, the two graphs are neck to neck.
Not really a software issue, more like the guys using it don't know how to use it. Lines getting hidden will happen in any graphics software if they are both the same thickness, with just a different color. So the usual practice is to make the earlier lines have markers, with the later lines being lines, or make the later lines dashed instead of solid, so the earlier line still shows through even if it's right behind. My guess is that the g(uy)(al) doing the plots simply picked two different colors and thought (s)he was done.
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Cain Marko wrote: Even if it is 5:1 in favor of Biden, shouldn't the other 20% be Trump's? Iows, how come Trump's tally remain the same while bidens shoots up by 140k votes? Or is this some kind of graphical misrepresentation?
Look at the graph, Trump's tally didn't remain the same. It rose, but was hidden behind the blue line. If it did not rise at all, you would see it in the graph, the blue line would not hide it.
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banrjeer wrote:Trump gave us 3 years of chaos before he found his footing. He has done some really good things in the last 1-2 years but he spooked a lot of people
Anecdotally, yes. But the results are revealing. Trump overall has expanded his base and polled many more votes than in 2016. The lack of the Green party may have been the difference this time round.
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It looks like the election will end up with Biden beating Trump by the smallest of margins 270-268 , based on current trends.

Trump is currently 214. If he takes Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia, he makes 268
Biden takes Nevada for 6 more for 270

In that case I don't see it ending there. Due to the <1% margin in Wisconsin, there will be a recount. If Nevada flips during recount, Trump wins 274-264.
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banrjeer wrote:The sanctimonious global leftist libtards who had taken a beating seem to be on a weak rebound.
It's because their opponents have not quite understood how to retain and project power. They are green horns.
Trump gave us 3 years of chaos before he found his footing. He has done some really good things in the last 1-2 years but he spooked a lot of people
That is it in a nutshell. Trump has some good ideas and did some good work, but he went about it in a heavy-handed way that a lack of understanding of other legitimate perspectives. He is certainly right about fake media, leftist/liberal overreach, etc...but his reaction and response to these issues has been increasingly irrational over the last year. COVID response and optics also left much to be desired.

That is the difference between Trump and NaMo. NaMo is a true national and world leader through extremely focused personal development, so the good work flows naturally and adds to his aura. His brand wins election after election by huge margins.

Trump has a very different character, so his desire to do good work and his character issues are always at odds in a lot of people's minds.
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Suraj wrote:It looks like the election will end up with Biden beating Trump by the smallest of margins 270-268 , based on current trends.

Trump is currently 214. If he takes Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia, he makes 268
Biden takes Nevada for 6 more for 270

In that case I don't see it ending there. Due to the <1% margin in Wisconsin, there will be a recount. If Nevada flips during recount, Trump wins 274-264.
Yep, I noted that. This is almost as much of an evenly split verdict, as can happen in an American election. Almost, because it is possible for it to be completely even, 269-269 (for ex. - if MO had gone Dem. but AZ had gone Rep.). Wonder why they have an even number of seats.

But being this delicately poised definitely makes the pollsters look awful. It was supposed to be a one-sided washout.

I don't think they'll do a full recount though, only that one state?
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It could go the other way too - PA and GA could turn blue due to urban votes remaining to be tallied, in which case Biden will have >300, for an easy win.
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^^Correct. Joe is rapidly narrowing the margin in PA, and 30% of the vote in Philadelphia is yet uncounted...same thing happening in GA with the Atlanta vote bearing in. In NC also, things are very close.

I think 290 is the mostly likely final tally for Joe (current 270+PA), with 306 (+GA) also looking quite possible.
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Suraj wrote:It looks like the election will end up with Biden beating Trump by the smallest of margins 270-268 , based on current trends.

Trump is currently 214. If he takes Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia, he makes 268
Biden takes Nevada for 6 more for 270

In that case I don't see it ending there. Due to the <1% margin in Wisconsin, there will be a recount. If Nevada flips during recount, Trump wins 274-264.
Wisconsin and Michigan literally just happened today, I wouldn't count the chickens in Georgia and Pennsylvania yet. I think Biden is favored to win both. Taking Georgia in particular would be a seismic shift.

The trend in Texas should also be of huge concern to Republicans. Romney won by 12%, Trump in 2016 by 9%, and this year by 6%. At this rate in 2 more cycles it'll be a toss up.
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DavidD wrote:
Suraj wrote:It looks like the election will end up with Biden beating Trump by the smallest of margins 270-268 , based on current trends.

Trump is currently 214. If he takes Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia, he makes 268
Biden takes Nevada for 6 more for 270

In that case I don't see it ending there. Due to the <1% margin in Wisconsin, there will be a recount. If Nevada flips during recount, Trump wins 274-264.
Wisconsin and Michigan literally just happened today, I wouldn't count the chickens in Georgia and Pennsylvania yet. I think Biden is favored to win both. Taking Georgia in particular would be a seismic shift.

The trend in Texas should also be of huge concern to Republicans. Romney won by 12%, Trump in 2016 by 9%, and this year by 6%. At this rate in 2 more cycles it'll be a toss up.
True. As demographics changes rapidly in the western world (or India for that matter) , so will the electorate. VA is now a solidly blue state, NC,GA,TX are all getting there due to immigrants and mass migration from the coasts and will eventually turn reliably blue. Hence i said maybe in 25 yrs time US will be where Europe is today, conservatives will be a fringe "far right" noise makers with moderates and far left fighting for power amongst themselves. Much like India too for 6 odd decades where socialists and borderline communists swapped power between them.
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^^^Texas was a Democratic state through the early 1990s. LBJ was a Democrat and George H.W. Bush ran for senator in Texas in the 1970s and lost to a Democrat LLoyd Bentsen who became Secretary of the Treasury under the Clinton administration. It wasn't until the Clinton administration where the state became Republican. What kept it Republican is that Texas had good and prominent governors like George W. Bush, Rick Perry and Gregg Abbott. All of whom have been pro India in form or another.
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Changing demographics in the US is a soothing sight for sore eyes. A war at home will help keep them away from the wars afar.

Many Indians don't see it yet but the influx/growth of Mexicans, Muslims(along with af-americans) within CONUS will cut down WASPs global aspirations.
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Ambar wrote:...Hence i said maybe in 25 yrs time US will be where Europe is today, conservatives will be a fringe "far right" noise makers with moderates and far left fighting for power amongst themselves...
Such a shift could end the two-party system for good..

Let a Thousand Parties Bloom (2019)
...U.S. democracy faces many challenges. But the core problem is a two-party system that has divided the country into two distinct parties representing two competing visions of national identity, with no middle ground, and a political system that requires broad compromise to do anything..
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Sires how can recounts help in ~10k margins ? this is not 100 or 200 margin, as per my silly calc if the recounting(WI, Az, NV) stretches over next 6 weeks T has a chance
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Seems AZ is still in contention, and has only been "declared" by news agencies? Lots of votes waiting to be counted over there, the tally isn't yet official.

From what I can make out, the US has never counted all votes in any election. It seems like some kind of (demented) probabilistic sampling of votes, until one party or the other simply concedes that they lost that state, and that there is no point in counting any more of the votes in that state. Or maybe they announce quickly, and then continue counting, hoping that the final count matches the initial announcement (which, apparently, it may not). God knows, the US never does anything the way any other country does.

Media is talking of "probable paths to victory of both candidates" and the whole thing sounds like sampling some quantum-mechanical state space (which will then irretrievably alter the original state). No wonder recounts keep yielding conflicting results.
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Somebody (SBajwa?) talked about this, it seems voters don't have to register again if their address and other details didn't change from last year election cycle.
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Where is the link for the above table? Appears to be BOGUS. Nevada has 1,821,356 and PA has 9.091,371

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... s-by-state
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Sooraj, please do not spread Internet hoaxes. Thanks.
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How do i interpret this ? How did MI call the election in favor of Biden when their own site has Trump leading ?

https://mielections.us/election/results ... _CENR.html

Sooraj, in case of WI, they allow election day registration but even then 89.9% of the eligible voters seem to have voted in the entire state ! Theoretically possible but when was the last time we saw an election with ~90% statewide turnout ? 3 counties in WI seems to have raised a lot of eyebrows where the numbers they say are impossible.

Below is a breakdown of voter turnout in Wisconsin dating back to the 1988 election:

2020: 89.26 percent

2016: 67.34 percent

2012: 70.14 percent

2008: 69.20 percent

2004: 73.24 percent

2000: 67.01 percent

1996: 58 percent

1992: 68.99 percent

1988: 61 percent

Btw, the largest city Milwaukee had a turn out of ~71% which is reasonable i suppose, but the entire state at near 90% is baffling.
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nvishal wrote:Changing demographics in the US is a soothing sight for sore eyes. A war at home will help keep them away from the wars afar.

Many Indians don't see it yet but the influx/growth of Mexicans, Muslims(along with af-americans) within CONUS will cut down WASPs global aspirations.
The dems will typically outsource their spine to the neocons who split with trump. They can go back to their set ways of appeasing and investing in China funding the pukes.

Both Arabs and Israelis will be disappointed with the change.
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Ambar wrote:Not at all Sir, no one is credible other than Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden , Kamala Harris, AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and their coterie .
You are being unnecessarily defensive. The merit of the worthies you are so bitterly listing has nothing to do with quoting Rudy “Gurjanwala University” Giuliani as an authority.

Politicians win and lose, come & go. Your standards are with you for ever. Don’t throw them away just because your candidate may not have won.
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sudarshan wrote:
Cain Marko wrote: Even if it is 5:1 in favor of Biden, shouldn't the other 20% be Trump's? Iows, how come Trump's tally remain the same while bidens shoots up by 140k votes? Or is this some kind of graphical misrepresentation?
Look at the graph, Trump's tally didn't remain the same. It rose, but was hidden behind the blue line. If it did not rise at all, you would see it in the graph, the blue line would not hide it.
The point of scrutiny is not the entire graph but only the area where the blue line goes up vertically. In the case of Michigan, I still don't see any hidden red line. I see it slightly for WI.
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sudarshan wrote:Seems AZ is still in contention, and has only been "declared" by news agencies? Lots of votes waiting to be counted over there, the tally isn't yet official.

From what I can make out, the US has never counted all votes in any election. It seems like some kind of (demented) probabilistic sampling of votes, until one party or the other simply concedes that they lost that state, and that there is no point in counting any more of the votes in that state. Or maybe they announce quickly, and then continue counting, hoping that the final count matches the initial announcement (which, apparently, it may not). God knows, the US never does anything the way any other country does.

Media is talking of "probable paths to victory of both candidates" and the whole thing sounds like sampling some quantum-mechanical state space (which will then irretrievably alter the original state). No wonder recounts keep yielding conflicting results.
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Somebody (SBajwa?) talked about this, it seems voters don't have to register again if their address and other details didn't change from last year election cycle.
Each state is different saar. Sometimes each county within a state is even different in how they tally votes & announce the results.

If is true that most of the time, they will informally declare or “call” the election in the media after reaching a point of mathematical or statistical high confidence. But at least in California, they do count every single vote, tally & “reconcile” provisional ballots, “cure” problematic signatures on postal ballots etc. The county registrar-recorder typically announces the official results of large elections after several weeks, long after everyone has moved on. Many people say that they have imported surplus unused bullock carts from India for this purpose.
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Ambar wrote:How do i interpret this ? How did MI call the election in favor of Biden when their own site has Trump leading ?

https://mielections.us/election/results ... _CENR.html

Sooraj, in case of WI, they allow election day registration but even then 89.9% of the eligible voters seem to have voted in the entire state ! Theoretically possible but when was the last time we saw an election with ~90% statewide turnout ? 3 counties in WI seems to have raised a lot of eyebrows where the numbers they say are impossible.

Below is a breakdown of voter turnout in Wisconsin dating back to the 1988 election:

2020: 89.26 percent

2016: 67.34 percent

2012: 70.14 percent

2008: 69.20 percent

2004: 73.24 percent

2000: 67.01 percent

1996: 58 percent

1992: 68.99 percent

1988: 61 percent

Btw, the largest city Milwaukee had a turn out of ~71% which is reasonable i suppose, but the entire state at near 90% is baffling.
The answer is easy, Michigan needs to update its website, and your numbers for Wisconsin is wrong. Turnout was about 71% state-wide as it's calculated by votes counted / eligible voters. You're using registered voter as of 11/1 as the denominator instead of eligible voters.
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sudarshan wrote:
Suraj wrote:It looks like the election will end up with Biden beating Trump by the smallest of margins 270-268 , based on current trends.

Trump is currently 214. If he takes Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia, he makes 268
Biden takes Nevada for 6 more for 270

In that case I don't see it ending there. Due to the <1% margin in Wisconsin, there will be a recount. If Nevada flips during recount, Trump wins 274-264.
Yep, I noted that. This is almost as much of an evenly split verdict, as can happen in an American election. Almost, because it is possible for it to be completely even, 269-269 (for ex. - if MO had gone Dem. but AZ had gone Rep.). Wonder why they have an even number of seats.

But being this delicately poised definitely makes the pollsters look awful. It was supposed to be a one-sided washout.

I don't think they'll do a full recount though, only that one state?
There is no such animal as national level full recount because there is no such animal as national elections in the US. Only individual states conduct elections, and so all dispute resolution is per-state only, according to that state’s laws.
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saip wrote:Where is the link for the above table? Appears to be BOGUS. Nevada has 1,821,356 and PA has 9.091,371

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... s-by-state
Since when did population translate to eligible vote count?

Maybe you should compare turnouts between 2016 and 2020? And maybe explain the uptick.

Wisconsin and Michigan was outright fraud IMO and Im stunned everyone is buying this BS about postal ballots. No effing way can you explain a 20% delta in voter turnout between 2 consecutive election.

Wisonsin 2.7 M in 2016 versus 3.2 M in 2020 (18%)
Michigan 4.4 M in 2016 versus 5.3 M in 2020 (21%)

You must be outta your fkn minds to believe this is possible in any fair system!!!
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BTW, MI numbers is some voodoo AP calling, the secretary of state website, last updated at 11:20PM ET still puts Trump in lead. Dont know how the heck the AP guys called it. On the other hand AZ has the numbers right from the secretary of state. NV results wont be available until Thursday morning local time. Interesting times ahead.
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saip wrote:Sooraj, please do not spread Internet hoaxes. Thanks.
This comment is over the top. Who made you the fake news screening authority? That table is absolutely valid data. And what you postedd is the population count. What age did you get the right to vote?
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DavidD wrote:
Ambar wrote:How do i interpret this ? How did MI call the election in favor of Biden when their own site has Trump leading ?

https://mielections.us/election/results ... _CENR.html

Sooraj, in case of WI, they allow election day registration but even then 89.9% of the eligible voters seem to have voted in the entire state ! Theoretically possible but when was the last time we saw an election with ~90% statewide turnout ? 3 counties in WI seems to have raised a lot of eyebrows where the numbers they say are impossible.

Below is a breakdown of voter turnout in Wisconsin dating back to the 1988 election:

2020: 89.26 percent

2016: 67.34 percent

2012: 70.14 percent

2008: 69.20 percent

2004: 73.24 percent

2000: 67.01 percent

1996: 58 percent

1992: 68.99 percent

1988: 61 percent

Btw, the largest city Milwaukee had a turn out of ~71% which is reasonable i suppose, but the entire state at near 90% is baffling.
The answer is easy, Michigan needs to update its website, and your numbers for Wisconsin is wrong. Turnout was about 71% state-wide as it's calculated by votes counted / eligible voters. You're using registered voter as of 11/1 as the denominator instead of eligible voters.
This is the turnout comparison between 2016 and 2020. What part is wrong?

Wisonsin 2.7 M in 2016 versus 3.2 M in 2020 (18%)
Michigan 4.4 M in 2016 versus 5.3 M in 2020 (21%)
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As someone mentioned UP panchayat elections in the 1990s were more organised and transparent than this.
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The postal ballot turnaround in millions of ballots suddenly appearing in this election is very suspicious.Some states do not even require signatures I'm told.The US style of ballot box stuffing.
The fact that these votes too are being counted last raises suspicions even further,leaving the way open for more ballots to appear for counting to assist the " Donkey" !

What has happened to my mind is that the registered voter list for the " Donkeys", has been executed in "organised fashion" used for the creation of millions of postal votes, easy to create with data of voters available , where scrutiny for authenticity is also perfunctory given lax rules. Trump's accusation that the election is being "stolen" is not just another rant as is his wont, but has genuine factors behind it.

With the Trump camp now going to court over the controversial postal ballots,it may be some weeks from now before the winner is declared.
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Many states also have same day voter registration. Voter registration databases are limited to individual states, and double voting is often not a crime.
Very plausible that a population of voters is bused from one state to a neighboring state to vote again.

Double Voting
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Philip wrote:The postal ballot turnaround in millions of ballots suddenly appearing in this election is very suspicious.
Why is it suspicious? The entire campaign was based on one party actively encouraging its supporters to send in a mail-in vote and the president throwing random shade at mail-in votes which actively discouraged his supporters from doing so. Did you guys really expect Trump to win states like Wisconsin and Michigan by 10 points? The blue shift from late counting mail-in votes in these states was very much expected. The final results are in line with what one would expect from these states and the polls, with Trump outperforming in Wisconsin. Given all the B.S. Trump has pulled over the past 4 years, it is not surprising that he would lose Wisconsin by 20k votes instead of winning it by 20k votes like he did in 2016.

Going back to the point of this thread, there is not going to be a significant change in relations with India. The "extreme" left-wing of the party is not going to get much play with the Senate remaining in Republican hands. Expect a fair bit of deadlock and a lot of same old. Relations will probably normalize a bit more with China, but there is a good chance that post-poll Trump would have pursued the same strategy for a grand Trump-style compromise. But the overall trends and strategic alignments will remain the same.
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It's the nature of the postal ballot,suddenly in unheard of numbers and with v.lax checks on the integrity of the ballot. Counting them last as well asks serious Qs. I too feel that in general Indo- US relations staying yhd course,but what course Biden would take it is the big Q.Will he continue to resist Commie China or will the Clinton Chin triads rule the roost?

We have to be v.careful in QUAD expectations. Our membership of the QUAD gives the alliance dominance of the IOR,but does not guarantee us of the same in the ICS. Moreover what happens if a Sino- Pak JV attacks India? How will the QUAD actively help us in return.
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george wrote:
DavidD wrote:
The answer is easy, Michigan needs to update its website, and your numbers for Wisconsin is wrong. Turnout was about 71% state-wide as it's calculated by votes counted / eligible voters. You're using registered voter as of 11/1 as the denominator instead of eligible voters.
This is the turnout comparison between 2016 and 2020. What part is wrong?

Wisonsin 2.7 M in 2016 versus 3.2 M in 2020 (18%)
Michigan 4.4 M in 2016 versus 5.3 M in 2020 (21%)
I don't know how you're doing your math, but the 3.3 M / 4.3m eligible voters is 76%, a very high turnout, but not unbelievable. We knew turnout was gonna be high, a few states even had more votes submitted before the election day than the total in 2016.
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Peaceful made a difference

https://twitter.com/zahra_hajee/status/ ... 7817095175
Biden winning Michigan wouldn't have been possible without historic Muslim voter turnout. Huge shoutout to Muslim organizers in the state who have been building the groundwork for years.
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Post by Raja »

Philip wrote:It's the nature of the postal ballot,suddenly in unheard of numbers and with v.lax checks on the integrity of the ballot. Counting them last as well asks serious Qs.
Well, it was not actually unheard of. We have been hearing about record early voting for days now. Yes the counting is a big mess, but you do realize that this is largely by Republican design, right? They continue to fight any efforts to make the process any easier blocking every sensible plan. It is in their short-term interest, so I don't blame them. A legitimate vote casted for Biden by mail-in vote is far more likely to be *NOT* counted, than the other way around.

And the process is not particularly lax. I vote this way every election and the process has always been a pain with multiple layers of validation that could get your vote thrown out if you are not careful.
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Re: 2020 US election results discussion

Post by george »

DavidD wrote:
george wrote:
This is the turnout comparison between 2016 and 2020. What part is wrong?

Wisconsin 2.7 M in 2016 versus 3.2 M in 2020 (18%)
Michigan 4.4 M in 2016 versus 5.3 M in 2020 (21%)
I don't know how you're doing your math, but the 3.3 M / 4.3m eligible voters is 76%, a very high turnout, but not unbelievable. We knew turnout was gonna be high, a few states even had more votes submitted before the election day than the total in 2016.
I see that you simply sidestepped the question of a 20% jump in turnout in both states and instead want to judge my math skills?
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