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Inspiration thy name is @narendramodi!

PM makes references to Uthiramerur model of democracy by citing 10th Century Chola inscription detailing the electoral process & admin in ancient TN, while addressing the audience at New Parliament building foundation stone laying ceremony.
via@Ethirajans
I bet no other politician have ever spoken about Uthiramerur inscriptions before, nor would anyone know their significance!

Incredibly amazing home work and professionalism in everything he does, that every politician should take cue from!

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Padmaja joshi@PadmajaJoshi · Dec 10

Mamata Banerjee: BJP has no work. First the Union Home Minister comes here, then its Chaddha, Nadda, Fadda, Bhaddha who follow. When they find no takers, they call in their workers for doing drama
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#NEW: Republic TV & Arnab Goswami's ARG Outlier Media network launches of their next channel.. #RBangla (Bengali)..

Republic TV Political editor @aishkapoor tweets.

next Republic TV channel: marathi or tamil....... :mrgreen:



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2010 New Secretariat builds Rs 950cr by DMK govt.
New parliament Subash chandra Bose Bhavan estimate Rs 900 cr.

How much DMK, MK & Co swindled?
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chetak wrote:
Inspiration thy name is @narendramodi!

PM makes references to Uthiramerur model of democracy by citing 10th Century Chola inscription detailing the electoral process & admin in ancient TN, while addressing the audience at New Parliament building foundation stone laying ceremony.
via@Ethirajans
I bet no other politician have ever spoken about Uthiramerur inscriptions before, nor would anyone know their significance!

Incredibly amazing home work and professionalism in everything he does, that every politician should take cue from!

WATCH
Uthiramerur stone inscriptions as well as democratic traditions have been purposefully ignored to support 1 theory : " Brishits gave indians democracy ". We have to hope some non professional historian/ thinker will shame more historians.
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Kaivalya wrote:
chetak wrote: via@Ethirajans



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Uthiramerur stone inscriptions as well as democratic traditions have been purposefully ignored to support 1 theory : " Brishits gave indians democracy ". We have to hope some non professional historian/ thinker will shame more historians.
these are 10th century inscriptions.

much before the britshits even learned to climb trees, let alone come down from them :mrgreen:

and they still haven't learned how to wash

and, even then, back in the 10th century, unless the candidates disclosed their assets, they and their relatives were not allowed to even stand for the elections.
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Ambar wrote:
hanumadu wrote:
Looks like trying to bring chinese style management into India. Hope they realize that doesn't work in India.
If low wages are the reason then the employee always has the option of looking for better opportunity elsewhere or taking the employer to court over wage arbitration. Destroying factories is the surest way to repeat what happened to industries in the license raj days .
It's not the low wages but the bait and switch that are the problem. According to the DFI link above, one poster says they were promised 20000 but they were being paid 8000 Rs. If it is true, the management must be held responsible.

I agree, that other peaceful means should be explored for dispute resolution.

No body risks losing a well paid job by resorting to violence unless the grievances are genuine and other means reached a dead end.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 691511.cms

Apparently, the reduction in wages has been going on for a long time.
Though Wistron is yet to comment on the violence, sources told The Times of India that the employee unrest was triggered by
salary remittances made to them. Sources said the employees were angry that the company was not paying the amount that
was promised to them at the time of joining. “While an engineering graduate was promised Rs 21,000 per month, his/her salary
had reduced to Rs 16,000 and, subsequently, to Rs 12,000 in the recent months. Non-engineering graduates’ monthly salary
had reduced to Rs 8,000. The salary amount being credited to our accounts have been reducing and it was frustrating to see
this,” an employee alleged. On Friday night, the employees started discussing about their salaries on their floors and some
alleged that they had received only low as as Rs 500 in their bank accounts. The anger turned into violence by the time the
shift ended, the employee added
Looks like Wistron is resorting to tactics it employs in other countries backed by strong dictatorial govts. They should realize quickly that it will not work in India.
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the sonia sena are now hitting out directly at the mafia famiglia :mrgreen:

pranabda's fourth book is due out in jan 2021 or thereabouts, and he made sure that it would come out only after his demise.

The book must have been all ready and primed for release, awaiting the opportune time of release

It looks like he has squarely blamed sonia and the sardar for the electoral rout in 2014

TIMES NOW@TimesNow

Report | Inferior leaders stopped NCP president @PawarSpeaks from rising to top: Shiv Sena MP @rautsanjay61


Inferior leaders stopped Sharad Pawar from rising to top: Sanjay Raut
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Farmers problem is rightly depicted in Youtube video of Pilibhit mandi. District officer corrected it on the spot. It has to be copied every where.
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Who feeds the farmers as they protest?



Who feeds the farmers as they protest?

Sunalini Mathew
DECEMBER 03, 2020


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Farmers who have just received methi from mini trucks | Photo Credit: Sunalini Mathew

At Delhi’s borders, vegetables, milk, even dry fruit and jalebis flow, as farmers talk of support pouring in by way of supplies

“Modi murdabad,” shouts a six-foot farmer and his companion, as they lift a bunch of methi each, shouting in protest, responding to the camera. They’ve just received their supply of vegetables for the night meal from a mini truck carrying greens brought in from the Beri Anaj Mandi in Jhajjar, Haryana. The arthi (middleman) says that everything has been donated.

At Delhi’s Tikri border with Haryana, today, methi and cauliflower seem to be the food for the day. Here, as life is lived out in trailers where upto eight people share space for the night, aggressive words like murdabad mix with gentler ones like seva, guru ki kripa, langar, bade dil wale (large-hearted). The farmers, mostly from Punjab, are gathered at Delhi’s borders to protest the three agriculture-related laws that will impact their livelihoods.

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Chhaas (buttermilk) that comes in barrels containing about 200 litres Photo Credit: Sunalini Mathew



At the receiving end

“In the beginning nothing had been decided about the food, so we brought our own: atta, dal, ghee,” says Bikramjeet, a 25-year-old farmer from Tarn Taran in Punjab, who helps his father on their fields of grain and cattle feed. “Then we got so much support from the people of Delhi, from the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee, from the AAP, the neighbouring villages in Haryana. Thoda-thoda bhi aa raha hai; jada-jada bhi aa raha hai (things are coming in a little at a time and a lot at a time). We are very thankful to everybody,” he says, readying to camp on the Singhu border (with Haryana) for a year if necessary, and to live this life.

Food wise life has not been a struggle. Bikramjeet gestures for us to join him in a hot meal of matar-paneer and roti. There’s sweet pure-milk chai with rusk and bread on offer too.

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A farmer eating kadhi-chawal offered free Photo Credit: Sunalini Mathew


Both sites are serviced by a range of organisations, individuals, and informal groups, who have come out to support the farmers. A few langar cooks have travelled with them and some of the older women make food. Mostly though men cook themselves, shelling peas, chopping cauliflower, stirring cauldrons of milk, pounding the almonds for kheer.

There’s large consumption of seasonal fruit, tea and snacks are always available (Hovis and British bread seem popular), chhaas flows in the sunny afternoon. A class 12 volunteer from Barnala, volunteering with the Jamindara Student Organisation of Haryana, says, “We brought six barrels of lassi; then six more arrived. Each barrel has about 200 litres. The disposable glasses may get over, but the lassi won’t.”

Two men from Patiala who were coming to join the protest drove down through the night, their car loaded with boxes of water, when they heard the people at the Singhu border needed it.

Selling at the border
Most stores in Singhu are shut, while those in Tikri are open for the locals, especially the sweets and savoury snacks that crowd the run-down lanes around.

At Singhu, just beyond the barricade, Usha Bhardwaj (above) runs a roadside dhabha that serves up mix veg, dal fry, two types of paneer (shahi, matar), and roti, all priced between ₹40 and ₹80. “Dal sees the greatest demand,” she says, adding that sales have doubled now. Before the lockdown, she was a beauty advisor at a cosmetics company. They hadn’t paid her, so she’s here now, with customers who come to visit the protest site.

At the Tikri border, Devender Bansal, who has run a little store on the highway for 18 years, says the protesters buy mostly water from him, with namkeen forming just 5% of his sales.

In Delhi, United Sikhs, an organisation that provides humanitarian aid, has also come in with water. “We brought only water, but people said take this too,” says Jaspal Singh, of the mathri and biscuits he has on offer. It’s almost a continuation of the lockdown spirit, when citizens gave of whatever they could.

Rohit Rathee is one of those who provided food for migrants. He works with an MNC in Delhi, but is here because his grandfather was a farmer: “Hum dil se kisan hain (We’re farmers at heart),” he says. Supplies come in from Kaithal, Haryana, and are cooked on site. His team has made arrangements for gas cylinders, but there’s also a lot of food being cooked on wood fires. At a meal of kadhi-chawal, there may be about 200 kg of rice, 50 kg of besan and 300 litres of milk used. It feeds about 2,000 people.

Crossing borders

What’s different between the two borders is that Singhu seems to have more, their cups quite literally overflowing. Unfortunately, the garbage is piling up — plastic cups and plates thrown in front of the guru ka langar offered by the Bangla Sahib and Rakab Ganj Sahib gurudwaras. People sit in neat rows on the road, on long mats, as simple food is ladled out.

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Men shelling peas, preparing for the evening meal Photo Credit: Sunalini Mathew

Even as the Nihang Sikhs cordon off a section, restricting those without a head covering or with shoes to enter the cooking space, their wood fires inviting people to stand around and stare longingly, everywhere else, people offer of the plenty: a jalebi, a banana, gobhi pakora.

At a long table, a bunch of about eight school boys stand, one with his voice not yet broken, calls to people to have some poori-aloo. They’ve come from the Pratap Sports School, Kharkhoda, Sonipat, where they study wrestling. A parent who owns a ‘gaddi’ and their bulked up teacher have accompanied them. They’ve commissioned a halwai to cook for a 1,000 people daily.

“Everyone felt that we should be there for the farmers,” says Vijay Dahiya, who works with the electricity board and has taken leave to do this, just one of the many who are showing solidarity with the cause.

The men from the crowd (and there are mostly men) are careful to point out that everyone from every community is there to offer food and other forms of help.
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hanumadu wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 691511.cms

Apparently, the reduction in wages has been going on for a long time.
Though Wistron is yet to comment on the violence, sources told The Times of India that the employee unrest was triggered by
salary remittances made to them. Sources said the employees were angry that the company was not paying the amount that
was promised to them at the time of joining. “While an engineering graduate was promised Rs 21,000 per month, his/her salary
had reduced to Rs 16,000 and, subsequently, to Rs 12,000 in the recent months. Non-engineering graduates’ monthly salary
had reduced to Rs 8,000. The salary amount being credited to our accounts have been reducing and it was frustrating to see
this,” an employee alleged. On Friday night, the employees started discussing about their salaries on their floors and some
alleged that they had received only low as as Rs 500 in their bank accounts. The anger turned into violence by the time the
shift ended, the employee added
Looks like Wistron is resorting to tactics it employs in other countries backed by strong dictatorial govts. They should realize quickly that it will not work in India.
Unless there is labor discipline we can forget about rivaling China or even Vietnam in manufacturing. If Wistron promised high wages and reduced it later (sadly a very very common practice even in Indian IT industry especially for fresh grads), then it needs to be sorted out through labor department and courts. Damaging machineries and factories sets a very bad precedent and just saying "oh we only want manufacturers with thick skin to be in the game" is counter-productive in a globalized world where many countries are competing to attract investors. Toyota has struggled with its Karnataka plant for year due to labor problems, and every 5 yrs or so there are violent strikes in Maruti Udyog's factories. While the government needs to have quick and efficient way of disposing labor relation cases, the workers need to understand not to bite the very hands that feeds them. What good came out of year long strikes in textile mills and auto ancillary plants in MH in the 70s and 80s ? Those manufacturers either closed down for good or moved to neighboring countries. Everyone loses in violence.
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chetak wrote:Who feeds the farmers as they protest?



Who feeds the farmers as they protest?
There is nothing noble in this. Its like a thief broke into my house, tied me up, used my kitchen to cook food for himself and gave a part of it to his friends and called it a noble act. These "annadaatas" are anarchists holding a city of 20 million people at ransom, and blackmailing the government by blocking national highways and railway lines. How long will they keep distributing dry fruits or mutter paneer ? Sooner or later this open pizza bar, lassi bar, chai, ghee rotis etc. will attract thousands of freeloaders as well. If the government backs down then they better be prepared for a change in banners come march when these will turn into anti-CAA or anti-370 or anti-whatever agitation by BIF.
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ManSingh wrote:
Ambar wrote:
Mansinghji, this is a upper class led gathering funded by rich expatriates pouring fuel on fire. I highlight the hypocrisy of these farm leaders who claim to fight for the poor farmers and their plight. The farmer who borrows money on daily interest in Karnataka or Maharashtra and later commits suicide cannot dream of such luxuries , let alone camp in Delhi enjoying dry fruits and pizzas for 6 months leaving his livelihood behind.
I understand your point and that is exactly what I meant as well. A farmer in Punjab can not dream of such luxuries either. These are funded by super-rich members of the community and/or charitable organizations. The protesters are not sleeping out on pavements in cold Delhi nights to enjoy these luxuries.
Can you explain one thing? Why majorly the so called farmers from Punjab supporting it? Why not other states? I am from TN - there are two views - APMC doesnt make any difference as they are selling it in free market anyway and/or they support it stating that it would improve their livelihoods... same feeling in other states too... why only Punjab is getting worked up? I dont want an answer as I already know it but if feasible I want you to think this through and try to understand what's going on...
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Just wondering, if its time to revive the idea of a 2nd national capital in southern India at this stage or even multiple capital cities across Bharat ?

These protests at any one city become local issues and will be difficult to sustain long term, as it becomes more expensive to mobilize & fund across an entire country. In strategic terms, why have one geographical area that is a major choke-point for anti-national forces.

Whether we like it or not, the leftist-anti-national multi-headed hydra is here to stay - if you chop off one head, another head pops up promptly. When there are global forces with very deep pockets who hate Hinduism to its very core and want to wage another 1000 year existential war against Hindus, taking a leaf out of Gene Sharp's anarchist theories and what not - it doesnt make sense to have any choke points. Radical Islamists, Khalistanis, Urban naxals, Tukde Tukde gangs, in future could be Jai Bheem/Dalit parties - these protests will continue to happen as long as BJP/pro-Hindu parties stay in power and will continue to sabotage India's development and vitiate the investment atmosphere.
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rpartha wrote:
ManSingh wrote:
I understand your point and that is exactly what I meant as well. A farmer in Punjab can not dream of such luxuries either. These are funded by super-rich members of the community and/or charitable organizations. The protesters are not sleeping out on pavements in cold Delhi nights to enjoy these luxuries.
Can you explain one thing? Why majorly the so called farmers from Punjab supporting it? Why not other states? I am from TN - there are two views - APMC doesnt make any difference as they are selling it in free market anyway and/or they support it stating that it would improve their livelihoods... same feeling in other states too... why only Punjab is getting worked up? I dont want an answer as I already know it but if feasible I want you to think this through and try to understand what's going on...
It's because the APMC gravy train is entrenched in Punjab like nowhere else. In fact contrary to the 'anna-daata' hype/myth, the centre (and by extension the Indian taxpayers) subsidizes wealthy farmers in Punjab and contributes to unsustainable mono-culture (wheat+rice) farming and environmental destruction apart from running the national exchequer up a huge food import bill (due to not growing crops that we really need and instead growing excess stocks of rice and wheat that simply rot, due to gaming the MSP system for max exploitation).

If you really want to understand what is going on in the farming space, read the below Swarajya article:
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/long-r ... ab-to-stop

Of course in addition to the above you ahve the leftists with their anti-India agenda, Pakis/ISI/Khalistanis with their own, and Congress/AAP types with their own agenda all piling on and trying to achieve their own ends by hijacking it.
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rpartha wrote:
ManSingh wrote:
I understand your point and that is exactly what I meant as well. A farmer in Punjab can not dream of such luxuries either. These are funded by super-rich members of the community and/or charitable organizations. The protesters are not sleeping out on pavements in cold Delhi nights to enjoy these luxuries.
Can you explain one thing? Why majorly the so called farmers from Punjab supporting it? Why not other states? I am from TN - there are two views - APMC doesnt make any difference as they are selling it in free market anyway and/or they support it stating that it would improve their livelihoods... same feeling in other states too... why only Punjab is getting worked up? I dont want an answer as I already know it but if feasible I want you to think this through and try to understand what's going on...
I have a feeling that punjab grown wheat and non basmati rice are not the best in the market. MP grown wheat is much preferred over punjab wheat as is rice from other states over the punjab rice. AP produces very good IR64 and IR36 are long grain Non-Basmati Rice

So the best deal punjab has ensured for themselves is to sell it to the PDS system via the APMC--Mandi commission agents--FCI route. guaranteed offtake and good MSP always given for political reasons.

for this, they have set up a good network amongst themselves with the commission agents dominating the setup and controlling both the farmers as well as the FCI guys.

The MSP rates are higher than international prices too.

no one wants to break a system that has been personalized for the state, refined, iterated, and perfected over the years it feeds a lot of local mouths at the cost of other state's farmers and the Indian taxpayers who unknowingly foot the massive bills for subsidies in punjab.

The reason that the center is pointedly allowing the whole thing to play out in the public domain is simply to ensure that the whole country, as well as, the aam aadmi find out all the shenanigans being done every year in punjab via APMC manipulations and the disproportionate benefits reaped by "farmers" in this one state.
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Ambar wrote:
hanumadu wrote:
Looks like trying to bring chinese style management into India. Hope they realize that doesn't work in India.[/quote

Looking at the images of violence at Wistron's factory, its not just stone pelting but the staff seems to have done a lot of damage to the inside of the factory as well. If low wages are the reason then the employee always has the option of looking for better opportunity elsewhere or taking the employer to court over wage arbitration. Destroying factories is the surest way to repeat what happened to industries in the license raj days .
Pretty sure they are well stacked up with insurance. No need to cry for them. India is not china they have to adapt to India.
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Ambar wrote:
hanumadu wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 691511.cms

Apparently, the reduction in wages has been going on for a long time.



Looks like Wistron is resorting to tactics it employs in other countries backed by strong dictatorial govts. They should realize quickly that it will not work in India.
Unless there is labor discipline we can forget about rivaling China or even Vietnam in manufacturing. If Wistron promised high wages and reduced it later (sadly a very very common practice even in Indian IT industry especially for fresh grads), then it needs to be sorted out through labor department and courts.
Our courts don't work. There are no viable redressal mechanisms for such issues in India. I am not condoning violence but it's human nature when things reach breaking point. I think this is not one of those left commie union engineered riot. It's a genuine pent up anger of the employees. Govt must inquire if Winstrom did not honour its contract and take it to task if it is in the wrong. We cannot have them fkk up what ever little manufacturing investment that is coming into our country.
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Ambar wrote:
There is nothing noble in this. Its like a thief broke into my house, tied me up, used my kitchen to cook food for himself and gave a part of it to his friends and called it a noble act. These "annadaatas" are anarchists holding a city of 20 million people at ransom, and blackmailing the government by blocking national highways and railway lines. How long will they keep distributing dry fruits or mutter paneer ? Sooner or later this open pizza bar, lassi bar, chai, ghee rotis etc. will attract thousands of freeloaders as well. If the government backs down then they better be prepared for a change in banners come march when these will turn into anti-CAA or anti-370 or anti-whatever agitation by BIF.
+1001

Couldn't agree more. These "protesters" are blocking national highways and creating garbage and a sanitation problem. Where are these people pissing and pooping? On or around the roads and highways? Shut off fuel, gas, power and water in these areas followed by cold water cannons at 2:00AM.
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The reason that the center is pointedly allowing the whole thing to play out in the public domain is simply to ensure that the whole country, as well as, the aam aadmi find out all the shenanigans being done every year in punjab via APMC manipulations and the disproportionate benefits reaped by "farmers" in this one state.


The Indian man-in-the street has many faults, lack of shrewdness is not one of them. I can foresee a counter agitation, perhaps consumer boycotting of these farmers.



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Ambar wrote:
hanumadu wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 691511.cms

Apparently, the reduction in wages has been going on for a long time.



Looks like Wistron is resorting to tactics it employs in other countries backed by strong dictatorial govts. They should realize quickly that it will not work in India.
Unless there is labor discipline we can forget about rivaling China or even Vietnam in manufacturing. If Wistron promised high wages and reduced it later (sadly a very very common practice even in Indian IT industry especially for fresh grads), then it needs to be sorted out through labor department and courts. Damaging machineries and factories sets a very bad precedent and just saying "oh we only want manufacturers with thick skin to be in the game" is counter-productive in a globalized world where many countries are competing to attract investors. Toyota has struggled with its Karnataka plant for year due to labor problems, and every 5 yrs or so there are violent strikes in Maruti Udyog's factories. While the government needs to have quick and efficient way of disposing labor relation cases, the workers need to understand not to bite the very hands that feeds them. What good came out of year long strikes in textile mills and auto ancillary plants in MH in the 70s and 80s ? Those manufacturers either closed down for good or moved to neighboring countries. Everyone loses in violence.
It’s worth looking at this well written story of the Nokia Sriperumbudur factory:
Nokia in India: Death of a dream
I do not agree that labour should be blamed without a clear understanding of background. There’s no information as to whether the protests were organized union ones or simply a few people acting out.

The Nokia story is really interesting reading. It explains what it takes to attract a big manufacturing fish. It explains the mechanics of quickly making decisions and offering infrastructure. It describes how such facilities sustain economic development . It also shows how poor tax policy can wreck an investment.

Nokia also faced labour unrest due to pay freezes, but that was never a major concern . I’m sure this happens in China but they have no free press reporting it. In fact , the Nokia Chennai plant was well known within the company as its most productive plant, upping its production to three daily shifts and even driving political reforms to enable women in night shifts, from recollection of the topic.
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sanjaykumar wrote:The reason that the center is pointedly allowing the whole thing to play out in the public domain is simply to ensure that the whole country, as well as, the aam aadmi find out all the shenanigans being done every year in punjab via APMC manipulations and the disproportionate benefits reaped by "farmers" in this one state.


The Indian man-in-the street has many faults, lack of shrewdness is not one of them. I can foresee a counter agitation, perhaps consumer boycotting of these farmers.



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OmkarC wrote:Just wondering, if its time to revive the idea of a 2nd national capital in southern India at this stage or even multiple capital cities across Bharat ?

These protests at any one city become local issues and will be difficult to sustain long term, as it becomes more expensive to mobilize & fund across an entire country. In strategic terms, why have one geographical area that is a major choke-point for anti-national forces.
To your point, it does favor agitators in states that have geographical contiguity with NCR. Shorter logistical chain to do rasta-roko in desh ki Rajdhani.

If the current agitation and Rasta Roko succeeds and the agitating farmers (their bosses and middlemen) get what they want, it will be a good blueprint for future agitations/protetest not just for the break-India forces but also the support-India forces. And anyone else in India who can muster a couple of thousand people. If you have a better chance at getting a deal in your favor by blocking roads in Delhi, I dont see why pro-India forces, or anyone else who can gin up a few thousand people should not do it in the future.

I recall Tamil NAdu farmers agitating about 2 or 3 (?) years ago in Delhi. They were shuttled off to Jantar Mantar where they obediently protested for weeks. No one paid any attenion expect the press. Then, they resorted to shock tactics by bringing in human skeletons and bones and displaying/playing with them publicly. Now, I have no idea what their grievances were, nor do I know or care whether their grievances were met. In contrast, this road-roko seems to be much more effective- atleast the current crowd is meeting with Amit Shah and talking on equal terms and rejecting amendments. Perhaps, TN farmers should have consulted with their Punjabi brothers on methods for protest.
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I can foresee counter rasta roko. 20 km long lines of cars with Delhi licence plates at panjab Haryana, Haryana Delhi borders. :eek:
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chetak wrote: I have a feeling that punjab grown wheat and non basmati rice are not the best in the market. MP grown wheat is much preferred over punjab wheat as is rice from other states over the punjab rice. AP produces very good IR64 and IR36 are long grain Non-Basmati Rice
Yes. In GJ, if available, the preference is for local varieties. Cheap dumping from other places has scuttled many local varieties that were being grown with less fertilizer and chemicals. There's a healthy demand for grains within GJ coming from tribal places where traditional varieties are still grown.
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Mort Walker wrote:
Ambar wrote:
There is nothing noble in this. Its like a thief broke into my house, tied me up, used my kitchen to cook food for himself and gave a part of it to his friends and called it a noble act. These "annadaatas" are anarchists holding a city of 20 million people at ransom, and blackmailing the government by blocking national highways and railway lines. How long will they keep distributing dry fruits or mutter paneer ? Sooner or later this open pizza bar, lassi bar, chai, ghee rotis etc. will attract thousands of freeloaders as well. If the government backs down then they better be prepared for a change in banners come march when these will turn into anti-CAA or anti-370 or anti-whatever agitation by BIF.
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Couldn't agree more. These "protesters" are blocking national highways and creating garbage and a sanitation problem. Where are these people pissing and pooping? On or around the roads and highways? Shut off fuel, gas, power and water in these areas followed by cold water cannons at 2:00AM.
there is nothing noble about any conspiracy which is what is happening to the hijacked "farmers" agitation being taken over by urban naxals and jehadi ropers

just pointing out as to how their supply chain is being managed by the aap party.

infrastructure like toilets, free power, gas and water connections are being managed by the aapis who have serious electoral ambitions and hopes in punjab where the nutcase wants to become cm of a full fledeged state so that his BIF sponsored anti national agenda can bloom in a border state by doing what mumtaz begum is doing in bengal by allowing the beedis into India

as long as the dilli state is managing the show by supporting the "farmers" the center is helpless.

cash is also flowing in and some of these so called "farmers" may well be armed with kattas to create mayhem in the crowds

yogender yadav is desperate to enter parliament so that his NGO dreams can flourish and FFNGO funds will become available to him.

yechuri and daniel raja are pushing minority agendas again in the hope of entering parliament once again hoping that some party will fund and also send them to the RS

ultras are pitching to free navlakha and his gang of goonda scum, cashmeri jehadis and the pakis are in play, as indeed the chinese and the turks may well be by pumping in hawala money

the church pushed jayalalita very hard to force her to accommodate daniel raja and yechuri is hoping that pappu will send him to the RS via some circuitous route just like the congis almost did the last time around but for objections from the jealous old fogies in the politburo who thought that they should be given the seat and wanted yechuri to "surrender" the seat to one of them.

this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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rpartha wrote:
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I understand your point and that is exactly what I meant as well. A farmer in Punjab can not dream of such luxuries either. These are funded by super-rich members of the community and/or charitable organizations. The protesters are not sleeping out on pavements in cold Delhi nights to enjoy these luxuries.
Can you explain one thing? Why majorly the so called farmers from Punjab supporting it? Why not other states? I am from TN - there are two views - APMC doesnt make any difference as they are selling it in free market anyway and/or they support it stating that it would improve their livelihoods... same feeling in other states too... why only Punjab is getting worked up? I dont want an answer as I already know it but if feasible I want you to think this through and try to understand what's going on...
A lot many other states do not have procurement infrastructure that can support APMC based procurement. So to them it is irrelevant if MSP continues or not. This infrastructure development was assisted by FCI ( i.e. central govt ) and maintained by state governments in north western India as a part of green revolution to ensure food security.

APMC is not the only issue. There were other issues ( arbitration process involving SDM only, no clarity on if contract owner can raise capital by mortgaging land under contract farming etc. ) that were raised as well. These have been adequately addressed or guaranteed to be addressed by the central govt in latest proposal. As to why other states did not raise these issues from the original proposal, I have no idea.
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darshan wrote:
chetak wrote: I have a feeling that punjab grown wheat and non basmati rice are not the best in the market. MP grown wheat is much preferred over punjab wheat as is rice from other states over the punjab rice. AP produces very good IR64 and IR36 are long grain Non-Basmati Rice
Yes. In GJ, if available, the preference is for local varieties. Cheap dumping from other places has scuttled many local varieties that were being grown with less fertilizer and chemicals. There's a healthy demand for grains within GJ coming from tribal places where traditional varieties are still grown.
Desi wheat is popular anywhere it can be found. It can be grown in rugged environments but prone to disease in cultivation and has a very low yield.

The wheat grown everywhere commercially ( incl. Punjab ) is wheat that was genetically modified by an American hero named Norman Borlaugh who won the noble peace prize for his work. The goal was to create varieties that could lead to dramatically higher yields per acre so that enough could be produced to feed everyone on the planet. Without this gentleman's effort, the world would have never had the excess of food that we currently have. A true hero of the century.

I guess you could find any number of articles on the person but here is one any way.
https://www.ias.ac.in/article/fulltext/ ... /0109-0115

From the article:

For example, in 2013 India produced 95 million tonnes of wheat from 26 million hectares of land. At pre-Green Revolution yield levels, 95 million hectares would have been needed.
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These poor amma jis wouldn't even be able to pronounce any of their jehadi names, let alone recognizing them

The Times Of India@timesofindia · Dec 10

BKU Ekta Ugrahan observing human rights day at Tikri border, want release of writers, intellectuals, rationalists mainly arrested in Alghar Parishad case Gautam Navlakha, Sudha Bhardwaj, Varvara Rao, Anand Teltumbde and many others
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Amit Shah has called for a high-level meeting with security and intelligence chiefs as farmers move to block the Delhi-Jaipur highway, they are just egging for a fight. The government must not give an inch, when the ire of the common man will turn against these so called farmers is when the winds will be taken out of their sails.
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Besides Borlaug, the person instrumental to the Indian Green Revolution was M S Swaminathan, who later went on to become the first recipient of the World Food Prize for his work .

Indian wheat production has increased from 12MT in 1962 to 107MT this year:
India wheat production

Hopefully with the farm reforms the production will top 130MT by 2025, overtaking China as the biggest wheat producer.
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[quote="ManSingh"][quote="darshan"]
Yes. In wGJ, if

Desi wheat is popular anywhere it can be found. It can be grown in rugged environments but prone to disease in cultivation and has a very low yield.


A sincere question. Where can I get seeds for the Desi Wheat. This year, I plan to go fully organic farming, using cow manure as an only source as a fertilizer. And looking for the authentic desi seeds. Mainly planing to grow Rice, Wheat and Potatoes. Also looking for authentic desi rice seeds, prefer Krishna Kamod for rice.
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Time For Special MSP Treatment For Punjab To Stop



Time For Special MSP Treatment For Punjab To Stop


Tushar G.
Dec 12, 2020

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Punjab farmers protesting at Delhi border.

Long Read: Time For Special MSP Treatment For Punjab To Stop
Punjab farmers protesting at Delhi border.

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The government must move towards a more standardised and fair MSP procurement system that keeps the interests of other wheat and paddy producing states.


In the early days of the protest, there were reasons to take the farmers sitting there seriously (for the sake of argument, we shall assume they are indeed farmers for the length of this piece), and the government had indeed erred in their communication of the laws.

Today, the protests come across as nothing but a joke and the protesting site at the Singhu border has become a carnival setting with foot massagers, pizza ovens, libraries, and langars. In the garb of protest, the farmers have set up a mini-village on public property of strategic and national importance.


However, after losing a good bargain on 9 December, one that still is available to them today (12 December), the farmers are now threatening to seal off Delhi’s borders one by one, including those on the Delhi-Agra and Delhi-Jaipur highways, hindering the railway traffic, and even causing another Bharat Bandh on 14 December.

More than the reforms, the protests have become a matter of ego for the leaders in the protest, a matter of privilege for the provocating communities abroad and actors back home, a matter of status-quo for the farmers, a matter of major economic inconvenience for the people in the region, and a matter of law and order for the administration.

The government needs to step in now and demonstrate it means business when it comes to law and order.

There is nothing heroic about old women using national highways as their makeshift kitchens, nothing heroic about tents coming up with foot massagers and pizza places, and nothing heroic about brain-dead actors using the protest to fuel their filmy agendas.

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In the chaos at Delhi border owing to farmer protests, it is the common man who is affected.

This is anarchy sugarcoated in community charity, the cost of which is being paid by the common citizen. Thus, the government needs to remind the farmers of Punjab who the boss is.

The ‘annadata’ rhetoric designed to Punjab’s farmers must be squashed, to begin with. The protesters do not represent the farmers of India, but farmers of one state alone.

MSP (Minimum Support Price) is not applicable to all farmers of India, but merely 6 per cent of them. Six per cent!

If one goes by the agricultural output of FY20, it was worth Rs. 40 lakh crore, of which the total value of MSP operations was pegged at Rs. 2.5 lakh crore. Fruits and vegetables, livestock, dairy products have no MSP support.

The origins of this ‘annadata’ rhetoric lie in the green revolution nostalgia of the 1960s that propelled India to overcome the problem of food security, and the status-quo it resulted in.


Punjab’s Economic Survey of 2019-20 affirms the origin and the resulting status-quo and also indicates why is it so important for the farmers in Punjab to cultivate in an MSP-only regime.

In 2017-18, Punjab’s share of the total national area of cultivation under wheat was less than 12 per cent. Yet, it registered 18 per cent of the country’s total wheat production. For rice, the state’s share was 12 per cent of the total production in India, while the share in the national area under cultivation was merely 7 per cent.

The cropping pattern of the state affirms the dependence of the farmers on MSPs, given the push wheat and paddy cultivation have received. In terms of percentage share of cropped area in Punjab, paddy went from 4.8 per cent in 1960-61 to 6.9 per cent in 1970-71 to 31.3 per cent in 2000-01 to 39.6 per cent in 2018-19.

For wheat, the percentage went from 27.3 per cent in 1960-61 to 44.9 per cent in 2018-19.

However, Maize went from 6.9 per cent in 1960-61 to 1.4 per cent in 2018-19. Bajra went from 2.69 per cent in 1960-61 to almost nothing today. Oilseeds went from 3.9 per cent in 1960-61 to 0.5 per cent today. Pulses went from 19.1 per cent in 1960-61 to 0.4 per cent in 2018-19.

Of the 7,830,000 hectares of cultivable land available in Punjab, 3,520,000 hectares is under wheat, and 3,103,000 hectares is under rice. As much as 75 per cent of the crop production in the state is made up of wheat and rice alone (2018-19).

Thanks to free power and water in the state, the crop-wise yield (in kgs/hectare) for rice went from 1,009 in 1960-61 to 3,229 in 1990-91 to 4,132 in 2018-19. For the same years, wheat went from 1,244 to 3,715 to 5,188. Due to the fertile region, a thriving irrigation network, the state’s crop-wise yields (kgs/hectare) are 4,733 against 2,661 for all India in cereals, are 905 against 841 for all India in pulses, and 1,467 against 1,270 against all India in oilseeds.

However, there is also concern pertaining to the inputs that make these high yields possible. In fertilizers, the ideal ratio for the use of Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium is 4:2:1.

In 2017-18, the ratio at all-India level was 6.1:2.4:1, but in the same year, for Punjab, it was 28:8.6:9.1. In 1990-91, it was 58.5:21.9:1. Hail subsidies.

The subsidy story does not stop here. Across the last 10 years, close to 30 per cent of the electricity generated in the state has gone to agriculture. At a national level, this share is closer to 20 per cent. The taxes generated from APMC mandis have been instrumental in sponsoring free power.

The procurement justifies the means. In 2017-18, as much as 90 per cent of the produced paddy crop was procured and 66.4 per cent of the wheat crop was procured.

Punjab’s share in national wheat and rice production is 18 and 12 per cent respectively, but in the central pool that year, Punjab’s wheat share stood at 38 per cent and rice’s share was 31 per cent.

Of the 310.6 lakh tonnes of paddy procured in 2019-20, as many as 202.5 lakh tonnes were from Punjab, and of the 389.5 lakh tonnes of wheat, around 127 lakh tonnes were from the state itself.

Thus, as the farmers go on with the protests, the procurement from the state has registered a significant increase this year.

In 2018-19, as much as 35.5 per cent of wheat procurement and 25.5 per cent of the rice procurement in the country was from Punjab.

Wheat procurement went from 55 per cent in 1980-81 to 62.4 per cent in 2010-11 to 94.6 per cent in 2018-19.

The paddy procurement is around 90 per cent for 2018-19, from 81 per cent in 2010-11. The paddy procurement in the state is so good that paddy from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar is smuggled in the state to be sold at the MSP.

The question of status-quo comes in here. The country is now producing far more wheat and paddy than it needs.

For instance, from 534.29 lakh tonnes of wheat and rice in June 2016, the Food Corporation of India’s (FCI) holding went to 680.25 lakh tonnes in June 2018, and in June 2020, to 832.69 lakh tonnes.

In September 2020, it came down to 700 lakh tonnes, given a free supply of wheat and rice was promised under the Pradhan Mantri Garib Kalyan Yojana due to Covid-19.

What happens when the need to supply free food grains runs out?

However, while our wheat and paddy godowns, much like the bank lockers of Punjab farmers, overflow, India is paying high import bills for pulses and oilseeds.

In 2017-18 alone, India’s import of pulses was valued at Rs. 28,500 crore and of oilseeds at Rs. 394 crore. Imagine if the farmers in Punjab tried diluting their obsession with wheat and paddy?

Since the green revolution, and now for almost six decades, the FCI and the Central government has been focussed on massive procurement. However, those days are behind us.


What the protesters and administration of Punjab want are three things.

One, for the MSP, to continue (which it is) for them to be able to continuously grow wheat and rice. Two, for the procurement of rice and wheat, to be focussed on Punjab, even if it means overflowing FCI godowns, and rotting grains as long as the MSP is ensured.

Three, for the procurement, to only happen through mandis, which ensures the state has enough money from the tax levied in transactions to sponsor the subsidies that fuel the cultivation of paddy and wheat.

Hence, any mention of the private sector, contracted farming, private mandis and transactions is as frightening for these protesters as an election result is for Rahul Gandhi.

All in all, Punjab’s dependence on wheat and paddy is no different than the Indian Cricket Team of the 90s on Sachin Tendulkar to chase down 250+ scores.


In 2019-20’s Rabi season, of the total 341.32 lakh tonnes of wheat procured, 129.12 came from Punjab, while only 37 lakh tonnes came from Uttar Pradesh and 67.25 lakh tonnes from Madhya Pradesh.

In 2020-21, due to Covid-19, of the total 389.92 lakh tonnes wheat procured, 129.42 lakh tonnes came from Madhya Pradesh and 127.14 lakh tonnes came from Punjab.

From UP, it was only 35.77 lakh tonnes.

In 2019-20’s Kharif season, of the total 519.97 lakh tonnes of rice procured, 108.76 lakh tonnes came from Punjab.

So, what happens if Punjab is unable to grow wheat and paddy five, 10, or 20 years from now?

Turns out, the conventional Punjabi farmer has failed to see the water bubble they are living in. The assured procurements and MSPs have resulted in a disastrous impact on the groundwater levels.

In Punjab, groundwater extraction for irrigation alone exceeds 90 per cent, more than any other state in India. Barring Rajasthan, the most over-exploited blocks in terms of groundwater are located in Punjab.

Of the 138 assessed blocks in Punjab, stated in the Dynamic Groundwater Resources Assessment of India – 2017 report, 109 are over-exploited, two as critical, five as semi-critical, and only 22 as safe.

The total annual groundwater recharge of the state was assessed as 23.93 bcm (billion cubic metres), annual extractable groundwater resource as 21.59 bcm.

Still, the annual groundwater extraction was at 35.78 bcm, putting the extraction at 166 per cent, highest for any state in India. Even for Rajasthan, it’s less than 140 per cent.

If one goes by the Dynamic Groundwater Resources Assessment of India – 2017, of the 35.78 bcm groundwater extracted, 34.56 bcm goes to irrigation.

For domestic use, it’s merely 1.01 bcm.

Turns out, the groundwater used by Punjab for irrigation is almost equal to that used by Gujarat, Haryana, and Rajasthan, and merely 5 bcm less than what Uttar Pradesh, a state 4.9 times bigger than Punjab, uses.

All this water goes to cultivating MSP-assured wheat and paddy.

The problem, however, lies in the future. The net groundwater availability in 2025 for Punjab is not even enough to compensate for its domestic requirements.

Other states suffering from the same issue include Delhi, Himachal Pradesh, and Rajasthan.

Thus, Punjab’s obsession with MSP-assured wheat and paddy will not only become impossible in the next 10 or 15 years (being optimistic) but make water-intensive cultivation almost impossible too, threatening the livelihood of countless farmers.

So, even if the protesters get the government to bend on repealing the three farm laws and going on to live in their MSP cocoon, they are soon going to run out of wheat and paddy cultivation options.

It’s a certainty.

So, what can the government do?

The NDA government, minus the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD), is not politically invested in the state, so it has all the incentive to think about the larger picture.

BJP’s vote share in the 2012 and 2017 Punjab state elections was a mere 7.2 and 5.4 per cent respectively. In the 2014 and 2019 national elections, it was only 8.8 and 9.7 per cent. The BJP can think beyond the state elections of 2022 for now, for there’s no way it can win it.

The government can make the protesters two deals. One, continue with the amendments that were offered on 9 December, which include transaction tax and registration of private mandis, necessary for the state to secure revenues for power subsidies for wheat and paddy.

This is a good bargain for the protesters, even though it shall amount to troubles stated above in the long run. The Centre, however, should start decreasing its procurements for the cost of these amendments in a gradual fashion.

The silver lining here is that the farmers of Punjab may wake up to the groundwater realities and diminishing MSP returns and start cultivating other crops.

Two, it can agree to repeal the farm laws on the condition that the Centre procurement shall no longer be inclined towards one state, and instead be linked to a state benchmark like number of landholdings, the area under cultivation, quality of produce, etc.

Even if Punjab’s MSP procurement comes down by 15-20 per cent, it shall be a huge dent to the state's coffers.

This will dent Punjab’s wheat and paddy fortunes, making it an unthinkable deal for the protesters. The proportional procurement must start from 2021-22 itself, while the BJP-governed states introduce the same three laws through the state Assembly.

Let the private sector thrive where the ease of business is ensured.

The private sector would have been a blessing for Punjab, eager for both tech investments and employment. However, now that the state has allowed its long-term agriculture interests to be controlled by a few, led by the Congress Chief Minister himself, it’s time for the Modi government to bite the bullet and end the special MSP treatment for Punjab.

Ending the special MSP treatment for Punjab will also be critical in solving the problem of farmer income disparity that exists. While an average Indian farming household earns Rs. 77,124 each year, the one in Punjab earns close to Rs. 217,000.

For Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh, the average annual income for a farming household is Rs. 58,944 and Rs. 74,508, below the national average, even though both are major wheat producers.

All farmers are equal, and it’s time the government’s MSP procurement factors that in and ends the special treatment for the state with immediate effect if the protesters refuse to end the senseless blockade.

Punjab, which has pegged its fortunes to merely wheat and paddy, must realise it is not in a position to bargain for long.

Punjab’s annadata is neither selfless nor godly, but one that thrives on the FCI buyout sponsored by the taxpayers, free power and groundwater that has an environmental cost to be paid by the future generations, and the generosity of the Centre it has taken for granted for decades now.

Punjab needs to overcome its Green Revolution hangover now. It’s 2020, not 1960.
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But but doing things any other way requires enterprise uncertainty and hard work. Better to live on charity of other Indians.

Throw in dark hints of Khalistan and sit back and light the hookahs.

Actually they can adapt to the 21 century, I am positive. Get off the @#$& government teat first.
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^^^ true that... Govt needs a campaign to set things right... I understand the talk approach with farmers but there has to be ground level approach to educate them. The Punjabi farmers might think that they took the risk to address the food shortage and involved first in green revolution and now they are being shown the door. This might be the way Khalistanis approach the farmers... Govt needs to address this concern and tell them that it is a continuation of revolution without compromising the law.
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Frankly there is no point in focusing on Punjabi farmers. Any other community be it Maharashtrian or Tamil or Telgu would have done the same if they were dependent to such a great extent on a state subsidy. It is natural for someone to be threatened and be exploited by stoking their fears.

This is no longer an argument or protest based on economics or facts. It is more about showing who is the boss and loss of face. The farmers do not trust the government and they are emboldened by the support they think they are getting from all over the world.
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"Do the Punjab millionaire 'farmers' realise that India would do perfectly fine even if it doesn't buy a single ounce of grain under MSP from Punjab. It would also save India the scourge of pollution. Politically incorrect but true. No taxpayer eats Punjab wheat or rice any more".

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This will turn out to be another tablighi jammat gathering mega spreader. They are refusing covid tests. These people will spread it to rest of Delhi, Haryana, Punjab and Western UP.

Farmer Protests : Not ready for Covid-19 tests, dozens could be positive!
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