Err...! What part of it looks weird to you? It looks even better than the ground based LCA and is a striking (pun intended) aircraft.viveks wrote:the naval LCA could be a good experimental aircraft. It looks so weird.. . They should just use it for experiments.
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https://twitter.com/CaptDKS/status/1366 ... 95296?s=20 ---> One of the most potent platforms with the Indian Navy. Recently, the Albatross Squadron crossed the landmark of flying 30,000 hours. Received a small pack of goodies from crew, a dear friend in whites.
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Well, at some point in next 10 years, the IN will have to use a JCB and shove the shoddy Mig29 junk into the sea. Sooner we have TEDBF to replace them, the better for that eventuality.Philip wrote:With CV#3 on the shelf in favour of SSNs, the need for the 50+ carrier strike aircraft will also be redundant. How this is going to affect the TEDBF/ NLCA plans remains to be seen.
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For comparison.
Tu-142: Served 29 years and had 30,000 hours of flying in total, among all air frames.
P-8I: Inducted in 2013 and a mere eight years later, has already clocked 30,000 hours.
Tu-142: Served 29 years and had 30,000 hours of flying in total, among all air frames.
P-8I: Inducted in 2013 and a mere eight years later, has already clocked 30,000 hours.
https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 41857?s=20 ---> The Tu-142M served 29 years with the Indian Navy and had 30,000 hours of accident-free flying by the time of its retirement on 29 March 2017.Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/CaptDKS/status/1366 ... 95296?s=20 ---> One of the most potent platforms with the Indian Navy. Recently, the Albatross Squadron crossed the landmark of flying 30,000 hours. Received a small pack of goodies from crew, a dear friend in whites.
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Indian Navy: Yeh hum hain, yeh hmari JCB mchine ai.. aur yeh hmari pwary horhi hai!hnair wrote:Well, at some point in next 10 years, the IN will have to use a JCB and shove the shoddy Mig29 junk into the sea. Sooner we have TEDBF to replace them, the better for that eventuality.Philip wrote:With CV#3 on the shelf in favour of SSNs, the need for the 50+ carrier strike aircraft will also be redundant. How this is going to affect the TEDBF/ NLCA plans remains to be seen.
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Get the MiG-29s upgraded and hand them to the IAF. Many of their issues are due to structural and avionics issues from the hard deck landings. Wont be the case with the IAF.
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Glad about the bolded part. The big Bear served us well, may the potent Poseidon serve us even better.Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 41857?s=20 ---> The Tu-142M served 29 years with the Indian Navy and had 30,000 hours of accident-free flying by the time of its retirement on 29 March 2017.
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A replacement for the Migs is 12-14 years away at the least assuming the TEDBF program goes according to plan. The Navy is stuck with them for now. By the time we have enough TEDBF numbers to supplant the Mig-29K's, the IAF probably will not want them, considering their physical state after enduring all those deck landings all that time and the availability of the MWF. This is leaving aside what will happen if the third carrier actually does see the light of day and the Navy needs even more aircraft to fill three air wings.Karan M wrote:Get the MiG-29s upgraded and hand them to the IAF. Many of their issues are due to structural and avionics issues from the hard deck landings. Wont be the case with the IAF.
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Said elsewhere that any future naval carrier fighter for the IN should be a naval AMCA, plus UCAVs. The TEDBF will be reinventing the 4th-gen. wheel in an era of 5/6 gen. fighters operating along with drones. Upgrading the 29Ks during this decade, plus adding an extra sqd. to keep numbers happy will be cost-effective. A variety of new PGMs/ AAMs are in the pipeline including BMos- NG for the 29Ks."Cost-effective" That word appears to be the new doctrine in our mil. acquisitions given latest statements.
However,there is some merit about 29Ks being handed over to the IAF or even based at naval air stations on the mainland/ANC if a new superior carrier aircraft is available.IN MIG-29Ks are at the moment doing Himalayan duties! IAF MIG-29 upgrades we are told will keep the aircraft flying for at least another 30 yrs. This could be done when the NAMCA arrives post 2030,plus still be used on the 2 existing CVs even after CV#3 arrives,able to operate from CV-3 too. One must also remember the prod. rate of desi-built aircraft, barely 12+ / yr. for the LCA. For full replacement of the 29Ks, building 50 to 60 aircraft would take at least 4 to 5 years whether it were the TEDBF or NAMCA. That's at least a decade from now the most optimistic estimate.I doubt there's going to be any JCB shoving 29Ks off the CVs anytime in this decade if at all!
However,there is some merit about 29Ks being handed over to the IAF or even based at naval air stations on the mainland/ANC if a new superior carrier aircraft is available.IN MIG-29Ks are at the moment doing Himalayan duties! IAF MIG-29 upgrades we are told will keep the aircraft flying for at least another 30 yrs. This could be done when the NAMCA arrives post 2030,plus still be used on the 2 existing CVs even after CV#3 arrives,able to operate from CV-3 too. One must also remember the prod. rate of desi-built aircraft, barely 12+ / yr. for the LCA. For full replacement of the 29Ks, building 50 to 60 aircraft would take at least 4 to 5 years whether it were the TEDBF or NAMCA. That's at least a decade from now the most optimistic estimate.I doubt there's going to be any JCB shoving 29Ks off the CVs anytime in this decade if at all!
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A Navalized AMCA is a great way to add a ton of risk to the entire program. Designing a Low Observable 5th gen. carrier borne fighter is really difficult (only one nation has so far done it and put the design into service). Doing the same so that it can efficiently operate from a STOBAR carrier adds another layer of complexity. That's setting the team up for a potential failure or at least a significant schedule and cost overrun. For some context, Dassault and Airbus combined don't plan on putting a stealthy naval fighter on an Aircraft Carrier before 2040. That's nearly 2 decades away. And France operates a CATOBAR allowing some margin for range/payload. Even China is unlikely to try to put stealth fighter on its non CATOBAR designs (at least not design around primarily such a requirement).
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@ nachiket: A third aircraft carrier - in the specs the Navy wants her to be - will not happen any time soon. Reportedly, the Navy has put funding for IAC-2 on hold in favour of six SSNs. From whatever date the keel is laid, it will take 15 years till commissioning. And that is the Navy's own build time estimate.
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Irrespective of when the TEDBF comes, I'm guessing the IN is going to need some more fighters to optimally populate its airwing on the Vikad and Vikrant. They have about 40 frames right now. Each ship can carry 24 fixed wing + 12 helos. Not to mention a couple extra land based. I guess only Philip on all of BRF will be happy with whats coming next - 12 MiG-29K
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https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/1377152936275369990
The 3rd Aircraft Carrier, INS Vishal (IAC-2) is not only essential, it will also likely see service earlier than expected. This view is not shared by some. But IN's global vision appears more congruent with the overall strategic aspirations of the nation.
The 3rd Aircraft Carrier, INS Vishal (IAC-2) is not only essential, it will also likely see service earlier than expected. This view is not shared by some. But IN's global vision appears more congruent with the overall strategic aspirations of the nation.
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With no offence to anyone, I believe if only our top echelons (civil or otherwise) had half as much belief and commitment for indigenous development as the General displays for Ru*/Su*/Mi*/An*/Ka*/Ki*/Ak*, IAF would have overtaken ISRO in the race to Mars Before COVID!Cain Marko wrote:Irrespective of when the TEDBF comes, I'm guessing the IN is going to need some more fighters to optimally populate its airwing on the Vikad and Vikrant. They have about 40 frames right now. Each ship can carry 24 fixed wing + 12 helos. Not to mention a couple extra land based. I guess only Philip on all of BRF will be happy with whats coming next - 12 MiG-29K
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We will be buying/leasing a used aircraft carrier/helicopter carrier in the next 5-10 years.kit wrote:https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/1377152936275369990
The 3rd Aircraft Carrier, INS Vishal (IAC-2) is not only essential, it will also likely see service earlier than expected. This view is not shared by some. But IN's global vision appears more congruent with the overall strategic aspirations of the nation.
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There are not many around to start withVips wrote:We will be buying/leasing a used aircraft carrier/helicopter carrier in the next 5-10 years.kit wrote:https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/1377152936275369990
The 3rd Aircraft Carrier, INS Vishal (IAC-2) is not only essential, it will also likely see service earlier than expected. This view is not shared by some. But IN's global vision appears more congruent with the overall strategic aspirations of the nation.
unless the POW is on offer ., but i would really really prefer a Vikrant Mk2
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We may just see some thing go down with ex usn CVs... Wasp class? Just to give biden admin some talking points for not pushing caatsa.
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Those are not Aircraft carriers, are being used actively, and are not capable of supporting any of INs fixed winged aircraft.
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Yes it is unlikely, but I had to mention it as an outside possibility since we are looking at mid 2030's timeframe when TEDBF should be available for induction.Rakesh wrote:@ nachiket: A third aircraft carrier - in the specs the Navy wants her to be - will not happen any time soon. Reportedly, the Navy has put funding for IAC-2 on hold in favour of six SSNs. From whatever date the keel is laid, it will take 15 years till commissioning. And that is the Navy's own build time estimate.
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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 60544?s=20 ---> Report: Indian Navy team to visit US to prepare for induction of MH-60R ASW helicopters. At least three to be delivered before end of this year.
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What about the 100+ ASW helo req.? 24 Romeos won't fill the huge req. Once we operate 2 CVs, the bulk of them would operate from them being the most valuable assets of the surface fleet. That would leave not enough for the 20+ DDG/ FFGs. The Talwar series operate Kamovs so are fine. Therefore we must quickly decide upon the ASW helo ,with the LUH req. too still to be decided.
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The 24 Romeos is only the initial order. More Romeos will come and that is a good thing. Better to invest in this kit than 114 MRFA. Aircraft carriers are the centerpiece of India's naval strategy. But a carrier is only effective as the support platforms (ASW helos, fighter aircraft, missiles, etc) that protect her. Additional MH-60s will happen, just like the P-8I. The 100+ ASW helo requirement can be taken over by the IMRH in due course.
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MH60R Seahawk – Adding a New Dimension to Naval Airpower
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Point.Can the Romeo's fit into all hangars of our surface fleet assets? I'm not so sure.The carriers, larger DDGs/ FFGs that operate Sea Kings, yes, but the other warships? Why the req. is there for the med. ASW helos. It's also going to take a long time before a successful ASW variant of the desi MH arrives. We first have to get it flying, tested in full for the IAF/ IA version,before a maritime version,more complex,can be designed and built.
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https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 90017?s=20 ---> MiG-29K
https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 30720?s=20 ---> The bigger point here is that it's a Russian Zhuk ME radar with an Indian Tarang series RWR, integrated with an Israeli Self Protection Jammer. Food for thought for the food bloggers.
https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 30720?s=20 ---> The bigger point here is that it's a Russian Zhuk ME radar with an Indian Tarang series RWR, integrated with an Israeli Self Protection Jammer. Food for thought for the food bloggers.
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Hmm...I thought it would have the same kit as the IAF version - with the EL-568 internal jammer at the base of the tail. Guess the IAF versions are more advanced in some ways being a later variant.Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 90017?s=20 ---> MiG-29K
https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 30720?s=20 ---> The bigger point here is that it's a Russian Zhuk ME radar with an Indian Tarang series RWR, integrated with an Israeli Self Protection Jammer. Food for thought for the food bloggers.
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Full story behind paywall:
Naval Helicopters: Critical trials ahead for indigenous ALH
Naval Helicopters: Critical trials ahead for indigenous ALH
With a plan to manufacture naval utility helicopters under a strategic partnership model in the doldrums, all eyes are on a critical trial of an indigenous Advanced Light Helicopter being modified for ship-borne operations of the Navy.
A crucial trial of the folding tail boom – the aft section of the chopper – is planned by next month to demonstrate that the Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) can easily fit into hangars and heli-decks of frontline warships, people familiar with the development told ET. The first ALH with a modified tail section as per the navy’s specifications is ready
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This is a million dollar idea. But will mig29k also bring in the spare parts commonality with iaf mig-29s as well?Karan M wrote:Get the MiG-29s upgraded and hand them to the IAF. Many of their issues are due to structural and avionics issues from the hard deck landings. Wont be the case with the IAF.
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https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 53762?s=20 ---> MiG-29K/MiG-29KUB Carrier-Based Multirole Fighter Aircraft.
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Nice cut-away drawing! Looking at it in detail, is the grid flap inside the engine intakes meant to prevent ingestion of birds,debris,etc? Land based 29s used to have similar flaps earlier for rough field operations. I guess commonality of engines and lots of other components exists between 29s and 29Ks.
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This unit will eventually transition to the MH-60R when it arrives.
https://twitter.com/Cmde_GPrakash/statu ... 41383?s=20 ---> Harpoons (Navy's Seaking Helicopter Sqn 330) is 50 today. Hunting enemy submarines or saving lives, they have been a great asset. As they await a resurgence, 50 years of no war poses unique challenges. My tribute as a proud Harpoon, in The Daily Guardian.
HARPOONS@50: AWAITING RESURGENCE
https://thedailyguardian.com/harpoons50 ... esurgence/
https://twitter.com/Cmde_GPrakash/statu ... 41383?s=20 ---> Harpoons (Navy's Seaking Helicopter Sqn 330) is 50 today. Hunting enemy submarines or saving lives, they have been a great asset. As they await a resurgence, 50 years of no war poses unique challenges. My tribute as a proud Harpoon, in The Daily Guardian.
HARPOONS@50: AWAITING RESURGENCE
https://thedailyguardian.com/harpoons50 ... esurgence/
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https://twitter.com/DefPROMumbai/status ... 43905?s=20 ---> INAS330 Harpoons celebrates its golden jubilee today. The squadron was commissioned on 17 Apr 1971 & received baptism by fire when the Indo-Pak War broke out in December 1971. The squadron was initially equipped with Sea King Mk 42 ASW helicopters & is presently operating the Mk 42B variant.
https://twitter.com/DefPROMumbai/status ... 74595?s=20 ---> Called the "Flying Frigate”, the Sea King 42B is among the most potent weapon platforms in naval inventory capable of launching anti ship missiles, anti submarine torpedoes & depth charges. The Sqn has won ‘Best Frontline Sqn’ & ‘Best Naval Air Sqn’ award on numerous occasions.
https://twitter.com/DefPROMumbai/status ... 83463?s=20 ---> INAS 330 continues to remain the eyes & ears of the fleet & has proved to be a force multiplier due to its all weather, day/night capability. The unbridled commitment of the squadron is captured in its motto - ‘Any sea, Any mission, Any deck’.
https://twitter.com/DefPROMumbai/status ... 74595?s=20 ---> Called the "Flying Frigate”, the Sea King 42B is among the most potent weapon platforms in naval inventory capable of launching anti ship missiles, anti submarine torpedoes & depth charges. The Sqn has won ‘Best Frontline Sqn’ & ‘Best Naval Air Sqn’ award on numerous occasions.
https://twitter.com/DefPROMumbai/status ... 83463?s=20 ---> INAS 330 continues to remain the eyes & ears of the fleet & has proved to be a force multiplier due to its all weather, day/night capability. The unbridled commitment of the squadron is captured in its motto - ‘Any sea, Any mission, Any deck’.
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https://twitter.com/TheGhostRider31/sta ... 79840?s=20 ---> The Indian Naval Air Squadron (INAS) 330, popularly called the “Harpoons”, celebrated its golden jubilee. It was commissioned on 17 April 1971 and received baptism by fire during the 1971 war. Initially equipped with the Sea King Mk 42 ASW helicopters, this unit presently flies the Mk 42B variant.
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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/138 ... 98787?s=20 ---> Indian Naval Air Squadron (INAS) 323, the first unit of the ALH Mk III helicopter, was commissioned into the Indian Navy at INS Hansa, Goa today. 16 Mk IIIs are under procurement from HAL.
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https://twitter.com/arunp2810/status/13 ... 88453?s=20 ---> The ‘Harriers’ are back in the IN, in a new avatar! Commissioning Warrant of INAS 323 was read out by its proud CO, Commander Nundy, in the presence of RRM Hon. Shripad Naik & C-in-C West. The navy’s youngest squadron is equipped with the Dhruv Mk III & it’s crest displays a Harrier.
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https://twitter.com/SSBCrackExams/statu ... 87090?s=20 ---> The indigenously built ALH Mk III enters naval service as INAS 323 commissioned today at Goa in the presence of Hon'ble RRM Shri Shripad Naik & Vice Admiral R Hari Kumar FOC-in-C, WNC. The multi role heptr has an all glass cockpit & can be used for Search & Rescue, Special Operations & Coastal Surveillance.
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https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/13841 ... 47554?s=20 ---> New Age Harriers. ALH Mk-III adds muscle to naval aviation.
https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/13841 ... 64737?s=20 ---> Deb Rana pic. Always top class.
https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/13841 ... 64737?s=20 ---> Deb Rana pic. Always top class.
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What’s that big cylinder inside?Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/SSBCrackExams/statu ... 87090?s=20 ---> The indigenously built ALH Mk III enters naval service as INAS 323 commissioned today at Goa in the presence of Hon'ble RRM Shri Shripad Naik & Vice Admiral R Hari Kumar FOC-in-C, WNC. The multi role heptr has an all glass cockpit & can be used for Search & Rescue, Special Operations & Coastal Surveillance.
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Source is an aggregator blog that doesn't link a source, but attributes the image to the US Navy - http://alert5.com/2021/04/21/indias-fir ... has-flown/