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I think folks should listen to full audio of the Clubhouse Patrakars and write.
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Thanks for the detailed write up and analysis.. this really helps clarify the state of things and intuitively makes sense --> religious denominations with foreign leadership are less prone to supporting nationalist forces..hnair wrote:Sorry for the late reply. The EJs and Vatican oriented believers are not free thinkers. They take their cue from a non-Indian heirarchy and hence wont open their mouth on love-jihad issues, unless their non-Indian religious superiors give clear directions. Right now there is no such direction.OmkarC wrote:
Interesting.. but aren't the ordinary EJs & Catholic Abduls impacted at all by love-jihad ? Do these factions have any tacit understanding with Jihadis ?
The eastern-oriented churches of Kerala have their own top guy, residing and presiding in Kerala. Marthomite, the most independent minded of them all has its supreme head of the sect sitting in the city of Thiruvalla and is rather unfortunately called "Primate". The Orthodox has factions and both has its spiritual HQ at Kottayam and their most important pilgrim center at Parumala. Same with Jacobite faction, who hived off the Orthodox and has a running battle with them ongoing over church properties.
Here is a good diagram from wiki, about the historical factionalism of the Kerala churches (but does not include EJs, since they started sprouting more recently and is not an offshoot of any existing ones):
But to make things easy:
- Whatever is suffixed or has "Catholic" is NEVER going to align with BJP and the leadership is tightly controlled by Vatican bureaucracy using a combination of international postings for the elders and sops like academic institution management positions. They will probably go to the unbelieving Commies, if Cong cease to be in power in Kerala. Infact they already are moving slowly to left since 2019 Lok Sabha, particularly the latin version among the coastal fishing communities.
- The rest are mostly older Eastern churches with minimal European influences and have imbibed a lot of Indian characteristics, out of which the Jacobite faction hates the current Kerala Govt for siding with the other side (orthodox) in implementing court orders and is openly aligning with BJP during the local body elections a few months back in December. Even among the orthodox/jacobite/marthoma factions, there was always a bit of support for BJP even in the 1980s. Back during those early days of BJP (there used to be an offshoot called Hindu Munnani, who stood for elections) we used to campaign for a candidate called Dr Rachel Mathai, who had the blessings of her church to contest. Also the late bureaucrat Dr Babu Paul was one of the most prominent supporter of BJP, even when in service.
Now on to the EJs:
Targeting older Kerala churches: When it comes to hollowing out the older Kerala churches, the EJs are like viruses in their propagation and there are not easily discernible hierarchies to target back. They insert their DNA into above list of existing churches (including vatican-oriented ones), convert the sick, weak and emotionally challenged into their sect and drain the church off its patrons, resulting in collapse of the existing order. Their targets are mostly rich, old and lonely but also actively court the poor with sops to generate the soul-harvest numbers. There are many ageing (wealthy) parents who felt abandoned by their children who migrated or is in another city. Then there are those who need social support, which the existing church clergy ignore unlike olden days. In the olden days, the older church clergy used to take care of these, when they were struggling to appear cooler than the upper caste Hindus etc (longer story ). But with rising power and pelf, they stopped caring for their laity and the EJs quietly move into that space for the kill. The EJs send already converted and brainwashed folks from similar backgrounds to the soul targeted for re-harvest, which are these vulnerable folks of older churches and give them company/relief etc. That is right - some of these vulnerable only need social contact, due to the loneliness caused by migration of Kerala's younger folks. I have heard of bitter family feuds between children and parents, when the RoL children return from far lands on vacation and find their parents turned into raging EJ zombies and in since cases have even turned over inheritance to the EJ.
Targeting vulnerable segments of Hindu society The other side that EJ has always been targeting are the classic conversion demographic, the disgruntled socially and economically struggling communities among Hindus. There the approach is entirely different - it is nowadays 100% about "raising self-esteem", because modern India has made the original EJ argument that caste oppression is permanent and economical, with implementation of job reservations etc. So they latch on to a topic that needs some introspection by all of us - participatory temple administration. The insertion team of EJs point out some vibrant local temple to these gullible folks and tell them they might be allowed into it nowadays, but wont be allowed to run them. They are right - a lot of these temples are run by familial networks and is predominantly uppercaste run. So the EJs provide an offer that cant be refused. Why dont we setup a prayer hall here and allow your thoroughly useless and academically uninspiring son to be its pastor? Usually they target the mother of the worst performing kid in the neighborhood and work with her to get the kid to utter biblical mumbo-jumbo (no one gives a shyte about clarity etc) in the prayer hall. That kid becomes "pastor" and slowly gets respected by those who come for prayers (and the free food). The kid becomes a bit of a legend (turned a leaf with help of EJs) and is "one among us, who earned respect". Ergo, EJ = good. From then on the kid will do all the work, so he can get his sustenance. Soon he will pull off the same shyte with some other gullible mother-son duo and form a pyramid. Another form of viral propagation
Summary: EJ in any part of India is NEVER going to allow BJP or the RSS to screw around with their game, even if it means RSS has explicitly said they want priests from all castes. Because it will cause their game of "bringing self-esteem to the neglected Hindu" to fail. Figuring out a way to challenge their model of propagation is a strategic need
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fanne wrote:We are moving towards 200+ territory in WB!!
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For the record:
76.16 per cent turnout in fourth phase of elections in West Bengal - PTI via TNIE
76.16 per cent turnout in fourth phase of elections in West Bengal - PTI via TNIE
KOLKATA: West Bengal registered a voter turnout of 76.16 per cent till 5.00 pm during the fourth phase of polling on Saturday in 44 assembly constituencies spread across five districts, a senior official in the CEO's office said.
The highest turnout of 79.73 per cent was registered in Cooch Behar district, followed by 76.2 per cent polling in Hoogly.
In South 24 Parganas it was 75.49 per cent, while in Howrah it was 75.03 per cent and in Alipurduar 73.65 per cent, he said.
Polling was held from 7 am to 6.30 pm in 15,940 polling nine assembly constituencies in Howrah, 11 in South 24 Parganas, five in Alipurduar, nine in Coochbehar and ten in Hooghly district.
West Bengal had registered 84.13 per cent voting in the first, 86.11 per cent in the second and 84.61 per cent in the third phase of polling, data by the CEO's office said.
The result of the 44 seats will be declared along with 250 others of the state on May 2.
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Quite a significant drop in the turnout this time around. Any ground level reports? Saw this on Swarajya:
'Last Night, TMC Goons Damaged Property And Warned Us To Not Come Out Today': Resident Of South Kolkata Locality That Voted Today - by DIksha Yadav - Apr 10, 2021 08:27 PM
'Last Night, TMC Goons Damaged Property And Warned Us To Not Come Out Today': Resident Of South Kolkata Locality That Voted Today - by DIksha Yadav - Apr 10, 2021 08:27 PM
<snip> The TMC men arrived at 1:30 am, damaged property in the area and also warned people not to go out for voting in the morning. The Kasba Assembly election voting date is today, 10 April, 2021.</snip>
<snip>At around 12 am, the BJP candidate of Kasba locality, Indranil Khan was allegedly attacked by the TMC goons. Khan is now under police protection at the Kasba Police Station. Rupesh Singh, whose house was attacked at night is also at the police station with him.</snip>
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Mamata Banerjee may have been referring to this when she hinted at stopping elections
Looks like the TMC deliberately spread rumours and had a hand in targeting CISF personnel.According to an eyewitness, the security personnel fired shots after being surrounded by villagers incensed by a rumour that the CISF men had assaulted a 12-year-old boy.
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In Phase-4, out of 44 seats, these are the expected figures:
BJP = 32
TMC = 10
Others = 2
BJP = 32
TMC = 10
Others = 2
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+100.sudarshan wrote:Their strategy is schizophrenic. First they conclude that they should demoralize voters, by pumping up their side. Then they panic and try to make voters complacent by pumping up their opponents. Like being in a little boat, yanking the tiller this way, then that, trying to get away, when the boat is being systematically ripped apart and pulled down by a giant squid. The 8 phases being the 8 arms.arshyam wrote:Why this clear throwing in the towel, and why now? Introduce complacency among voters in the remaining phases?
The voters these days are doing their own thing, maybe this demoralize/ make complacent strategy worked in the past. Nowadays the result, whichever way it goes, seems to be independent of all this propaganda and manipulation.
Only thing I differ is to say that Jihadidi has no strategy now and hence it appears shcizophrenic. Her best strategy during Singur was to garner sympathy using broken leg argument. That would have worked during Commie era. But BJP workers themselves are being beaten black and blue if not outright murdered. So Jihadidi's looking for broken leg sympathy wave was futile.
Their original strategy was muslim appeasement and divide the rest. There was Hindu consolidation going on, what happened was Modi visiting Jeshoreshwari and Orkandi temples. And the rabid reaction from the islamists further consolidated the Hindu vote across the board. Lootyens mediapimps and assorted CONgoons/Commies and pseudo-left-liberals can dance around it calling Modi a polarizing figure. However the point is, if Comma,La can swear in a oath with two bibles, cannot an Indian PM visit a Hindu temple? Even in his personal capacity? So what are the jehadis protesting?
From the above point onwards, the sickular gang totally lost the plot. The sickular gang has been assured in their mainority consolidation and never thought that a counter-consolidation can occur from grassroots. So assured that they termed the counter consolidation as 'Kommunal'.
Hence the sickular gang are totally lost and we see a schizophrenic reaction from them.
Look at the lootyens mediapimps in the clubhouse meeting. Sakshi Joshi calls herself an independent journo and she was most curious and impressed about how Maomata manages her loo breaks. It was the 2BHK so-called journo who is basically a samajwadi moll who started this entire clubhouse. She even went and put it on twitter and asked everyone to come and when the great PK joined in, his first question was, is this public? And the pimps affirmed that it was *not*. They all exited the moment when people were live tweeting their conversations. The 'common' people who were there recorded all of it and were actually mostly silent on the call!
What was Raveesh chota-mota-blast upto? He was hoping for an anti-incumbency wave against Mudi. Gosh, this is a state election. And what does Gargi do right after the call, tweets that TMC is winning (when PK assured her that survey after survey shows TMC is losing).
Here is what is happening. The lootyens mediapimps have no in (as in no in) into the Modi government. Prior to Modi government, they would not just wine and dine all the way to the PM on his personal aircraft, they will also be invited a la Darkha Butt by the Indian Navy admiral. They were able to get the juiciest information out and incept narratives into the administration. They were the power brokers with power flowing through their wheeling and dealing. For that, one does not need skills. Just a non-scrupulous non-empathy cruel mind that is so self-centered that it can pursue selfish goals for power and money without a conscience.
Now to even understand what is going on in Bengal, the lootyens cabal are reduced to sit at the table where scraps from PK is thrown. This is what is happening, PK is the only one on the side of the sickulars who can explain to them why they are losing election after election. This is the guy who at least tries to bring meaning to the madness with which the opposition is losing the narrative. For instance, MaoMata was never in interest of developing Bengal. She was in power for power's sake and throw some freebies to the masses. Her best vision is roti, kapda and some jobs for the teeming masses. The jobs to be provided by government. The government will run buses, fisheries, granaries, trains, ships, horse cart etc and some scraps will go to the masses and they will be thankful to her. That is medieval. The masses do not want that. The masses want safety, security and opportunities. The masses are also dreaming big. Why not have 200 cities in UP (yes that was an ask in 2014 that got modi in place). Why not have 7 bridges in Assam? Why not my kid work in it-vity or do some MBA'giri (even if it is selling some soap).
But Maomata and her ilk are stuck in the medieval era. Feudalism is what they know best. They kick out the old feudalists (communists in Bengal) and have become the new feudalists.
Indians do not want the feudalist mai-baap scraps. Indians/Bharatiyas have tasted success. They are the kind who are barely adults and take the famed aussies to their own gabbatoir. This is the generation that goes to bakistan, shoots down their F-16, demands chai and waltz back as if that is a child's play. This is the generation that has seen through nepo kidz of bollywood and giving them a bloody nose. See the failure of Saadak and success of Uri. And no leader bar Modi, they see as giving it to them.
The elites who talk ingliss and from St. Stephen or Doon college who go by their networks do not like it. Yes, networks help. But now they have to contend with angry and hungry arnabs who think in vernacular and who are not from the colleges from the metros. And that is what is bothering the lootyens mediapimps. They now have to compete with likes of Swarajya and OpIndia. They have to compete with Republic.
How the mighty have fallen. The biggest star mediapimp in the PK clubhouse was Raveesh chot-mota-bomb-blast and he was not able to come to terms on why there is no anti-incumbency and anger against Modi in W. Bengal elections. Prannoy Roy must surely fire him.
Here is why PKs are needed. For example, when AAP wpm with a massive landslide for first time in Delhi elections, some of us and particularly me pointed out that the CONgoons engineered a vote shift to keep BJP out of power. That was a tactically smart but strategically stupid decision on behalf of CONgoons. Point is, with data we explained the results. PK does the same to various parties (samajwadi, tmc etc). Just that they do not comprehend the defeat and neither are they able to come back with a proper response. For example, Pappu dons janaeu and then stands up for office from Kerala's mainority dominated seat!
Hence, the schizophrenic reaction from opposition. From their lootyen mediapimp acolytes. There is no further sinister game other than the fact that they are running around as headless chickens (and in the process may end up causing some real damage).
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Well articulated.
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Nicely put Disha ji. It could be an article on swarajya or opindia. Only if the MSM were not compromised, it should be even in ET.
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Thanks Ramanaji and Pandranghari'ji for the kind words. I will put together something on the above lines.
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Agreed. I think it SHOULD be a article on swarajya or opindia. I think people will love to read this because a lot of editorials on MSM is pure misinformation. Especially on this topic.panduranghari wrote:Nicely put Disha ji. It could be an article on swarajya or opindia. Only if the MSM were not compromised, it should be even in ET.
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+100 Dishaji. In addition most of these states when convenient will blame Centre for lack of policies and budgets while being the proverbial Nero fiddling while Rome burnt... such childishness and shamelessness wonder if they even went to school, gave tests or just mugged up or bought answers at gunpoint, managed their own money or were just handed by the fistful by you know who...
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nice to see very knowledgeable, perceptive, competent, and articulate writers on the forum blossoming in the media with some others also coming up the literary pipeline.disha wrote:Thanks Ramanaji and Pandranghari'ji for the kind words. I will put together something on the above lines.
more power to you guys.
way to go !!
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+108 after almost half a decade i read such great article.disha wrote:
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Excellent write up @disha. Have always followed your posts with great interest. Keep them coming!
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Great narration dishaji ... Please publish it.
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We are going to loose....fanne wrote:We are moving towards 200+ territory in WB!!
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+1 Very well writtendisha wrote:Only thing I differ is to say that Jihadidi has no strategy now.....
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^^^
Very well-written Disha-ji.
However, I would say that Mumtaaz Banoo did have a strategy - that was (a) to count on the 30% minority votebank, and (b)divide the Hindu vote on the basis on Bengali vs nonbengali line (keep in mind that WB has about 1 crore 25 lakh non-bengali voters).
Mumtaaz banoo acted on the abive substrategy-(a) by giving Imam/Moulavi stipends, and scaring the minorities showing 3T, NRC, CAA etc.
She acted on the strategy-(b) invoking the superior bengali intellectualism and pointing finger that BJP belonged to "Hindustani" (i.e., inferior non-bengalis without any "culture"). In this regard, she recruited the rented / paid (pseudo)-secular and/or entertainment industry personalities most of whom are corrupt and depended on the state government's largesse.
Now that strategy has gone awry for two reasons for those two substrategies respectively.
For -(a) this is what happened: The minority votebank suddenly saw the entrance of two personalities ("bhaijaans") which was beyond Mumtaaz's calculations, and she had no antidote against it. These two are Abbas Siddiqi (and his powerful brother Nowshad Siddiqi) of Furfura Sharif. These two brothers are extremely good orators, and they have been drawing huge (I mean, really huge) minority crowds in their rallies. The other one is Owaisi who has literally served an indictment on Mumtaaz government for keeping the minorities out of government jobs, and making them dependent on government handouts, yet taking them for granted. (You need to see the speech Owaisi gave at Sagardighi, Murshidabad district - which is about 75% muslim dominated area). On top of it, these two bhaijaans are giving an open call to minorities to ditch Mumtaaz banoo and vote for Bhaijaans. This has become a big headache for Mumtaaz, so much so that she openly called them BJP's paid agents, and in open rallies urged the minorities not to split their vote and vote enmasse for TMC. An open and blatant communalism which was given a likewarm response by the two main bengali dailies. The rumors flying thick and heavy that these two newspapers were paid Rs. 85+ crores and Rs. 65+ crores to give pro-TMC coverage.
For -(b) this is what happened: TMC is a one person party - dependent solely on Mumtaaz Banoo. This has created extreme groupism within the party, and has resulted in turf-wars in every locality. This turf-war has given rise to Syndicate-raj whereby the thugs of each group survive on "tolla" from construction material, government permits, etc. So much so that it encompassed the whole entertainment industry, especially the Kolkata film industry. Earlier, this entertainment industry was kept in good humor by the Left Front government invoking the "superior Bengali intellectualism", and that's why about 90% of the people, directly or indirectly, sided with the left. The remaining 10% didn't have any voice. After the LF was routed, this entertainment industry was inherited by TMC - lock stock and barrel. But soon the groupism and the syndicate raaj creeped into it. Thanks to Mumtaaz Banoo's trusted minister Arup Biswas and his bro Swaroop Biswas - they ran a mafia raaj in the whole entertainment industry. Which upcoming singer is going to sing in which public event, which producer / director's film should be screened in which film festival should go through Swaroop Biswas' desk in exchange of a huge bribe. Over the years this system caused a huge (I mean huge) backlash, especially from the very talented and internationally acclaimed personalities. An internal churning was taking place for the last two years, and it exploded just about three months ago. A large flock of TV/film personalities came out in open support of BJP. Actually, suddenly the Bengali middle class was really startled to see their favourite celebrities openly singing praises for NaMo, and giving calls to support to BJP. The carefully crafted design to shield the bengali middle-class from North-Indian BJP fell apart. .... Long story short, Mumtaaz didn't have any anti-dote for this.
There is another general dissatisfaction against TMC whose reflection we saw in 2019 GE. That was for "cut money" extracted by every chota-mota TMC goondas collected for any govt benefits, and the entire net was/is controlled by Mumtaaz Banoo's good for nothing "nephew" Abhishek Banerjee. That's another story.
Anyway, it's a good write-up Disha-ji. Please send it to OpIndia or Swarajya. We need to get ready for May 2nd outcome.
Very well-written Disha-ji.
However, I would say that Mumtaaz Banoo did have a strategy - that was (a) to count on the 30% minority votebank, and (b)divide the Hindu vote on the basis on Bengali vs nonbengali line (keep in mind that WB has about 1 crore 25 lakh non-bengali voters).
Mumtaaz banoo acted on the abive substrategy-(a) by giving Imam/Moulavi stipends, and scaring the minorities showing 3T, NRC, CAA etc.
She acted on the strategy-(b) invoking the superior bengali intellectualism and pointing finger that BJP belonged to "Hindustani" (i.e., inferior non-bengalis without any "culture"). In this regard, she recruited the rented / paid (pseudo)-secular and/or entertainment industry personalities most of whom are corrupt and depended on the state government's largesse.
Now that strategy has gone awry for two reasons for those two substrategies respectively.
For -(a) this is what happened: The minority votebank suddenly saw the entrance of two personalities ("bhaijaans") which was beyond Mumtaaz's calculations, and she had no antidote against it. These two are Abbas Siddiqi (and his powerful brother Nowshad Siddiqi) of Furfura Sharif. These two brothers are extremely good orators, and they have been drawing huge (I mean, really huge) minority crowds in their rallies. The other one is Owaisi who has literally served an indictment on Mumtaaz government for keeping the minorities out of government jobs, and making them dependent on government handouts, yet taking them for granted. (You need to see the speech Owaisi gave at Sagardighi, Murshidabad district - which is about 75% muslim dominated area). On top of it, these two bhaijaans are giving an open call to minorities to ditch Mumtaaz banoo and vote for Bhaijaans. This has become a big headache for Mumtaaz, so much so that she openly called them BJP's paid agents, and in open rallies urged the minorities not to split their vote and vote enmasse for TMC. An open and blatant communalism which was given a likewarm response by the two main bengali dailies. The rumors flying thick and heavy that these two newspapers were paid Rs. 85+ crores and Rs. 65+ crores to give pro-TMC coverage.
For -(b) this is what happened: TMC is a one person party - dependent solely on Mumtaaz Banoo. This has created extreme groupism within the party, and has resulted in turf-wars in every locality. This turf-war has given rise to Syndicate-raj whereby the thugs of each group survive on "tolla" from construction material, government permits, etc. So much so that it encompassed the whole entertainment industry, especially the Kolkata film industry. Earlier, this entertainment industry was kept in good humor by the Left Front government invoking the "superior Bengali intellectualism", and that's why about 90% of the people, directly or indirectly, sided with the left. The remaining 10% didn't have any voice. After the LF was routed, this entertainment industry was inherited by TMC - lock stock and barrel. But soon the groupism and the syndicate raaj creeped into it. Thanks to Mumtaaz Banoo's trusted minister Arup Biswas and his bro Swaroop Biswas - they ran a mafia raaj in the whole entertainment industry. Which upcoming singer is going to sing in which public event, which producer / director's film should be screened in which film festival should go through Swaroop Biswas' desk in exchange of a huge bribe. Over the years this system caused a huge (I mean huge) backlash, especially from the very talented and internationally acclaimed personalities. An internal churning was taking place for the last two years, and it exploded just about three months ago. A large flock of TV/film personalities came out in open support of BJP. Actually, suddenly the Bengali middle class was really startled to see their favourite celebrities openly singing praises for NaMo, and giving calls to support to BJP. The carefully crafted design to shield the bengali middle-class from North-Indian BJP fell apart. .... Long story short, Mumtaaz didn't have any anti-dote for this.
There is another general dissatisfaction against TMC whose reflection we saw in 2019 GE. That was for "cut money" extracted by every chota-mota TMC goondas collected for any govt benefits, and the entire net was/is controlled by Mumtaaz Banoo's good for nothing "nephew" Abhishek Banerjee. That's another story.
Anyway, it's a good write-up Disha-ji. Please send it to OpIndia or Swarajya. We need to get ready for May 2nd outcome.
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I have looked for the full audio but can't find it. Any help would be appriciated. Looked and listened to many clips, but mostly same on YT.ramana wrote:I think folks should listen to full audio of the Clubhouse Patrakars and write.
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Also, check out this Zoom meeting organized by Advaitakala
Prashant Kishore's Loud Whispers Zoom Meeting
Great insight.
Prashant Kishore's Loud Whispers Zoom Meeting
Great insight.
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I also record along with other Forumites, my deep appreciation of the detailed analysis done by Disha and Kati on Bengal politics. Superbly written.
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Thank You Disha Ji. Loved the analysis. Please share this publicly.
I do not want to sound dramatic but if BJP wins this Assembly elections, then we will have witnessed an epoch changing moment for Bengal no less than May 2014 was for Bharat.
The fall of Didi, the rise of Bhagwa in the East is also the defeat of the "Reds" in their founding grounds, at least on the political landscape. Their defeat in the social landscape will take longer.
I do not want to sound dramatic but if BJP wins this Assembly elections, then we will have witnessed an epoch changing moment for Bengal no less than May 2014 was for Bharat.
The fall of Didi, the rise of Bhagwa in the East is also the defeat of the "Reds" in their founding grounds, at least on the political landscape. Their defeat in the social landscape will take longer.
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A very apprehensive pappu, the janeu wearing, skull cap pasand, posing with padres, RSS bashing, PM in waiting charlatan, is terrified that the sky is about to fall on his head.
This ameriki professor's advice of being all things to all people has sadly left him becoming almost nothing to anyone.
he has successfully managed to step into the tiny shoes of that other dishonest impostor: lulloo yadav
This ameriki professor's advice of being all things to all people has sadly left him becoming almost nothing to anyone.
he has successfully managed to step into the tiny shoes of that other dishonest impostor: lulloo yadav
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What ever may be the election result, there is a good chance of small scale street war in many parts of WB. Central forces needs to be posted with enhanced rules of engagement in case of trouble.
Hope the general population is prepared for the fall out, WB had gone through everything on mass scale. From famines to navkali riots to even voting patterns. Hoping the local population is better prepared.
Hope the general population is prepared for the fall out, WB had gone through everything on mass scale. From famines to navkali riots to even voting patterns. Hoping the local population is better prepared.
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One of the most under-reported things is the support BJP getting rural areas in WB and among the Namasudras (SC) and other such communities that constitute a huge % of the WB population and are ignored people. The second is the serious effort of the left to move its vote to BJP because BJP winning will create a scape for the left to return to power.
One of the other factors is the violence TMC carried out during the last Panchayat elections, wherein 1/3 of the seats were won "unanimously" by the TMC. The anger and hate that was created in a huge number of villages now moving votes to the BJP
The other thing is the massive loot of relief funds etc., when the cyclone hit WB about a year. The situation was terrible, and people were left to fend for themselves. Power was not restored for over a month in many areas. These are TMC strongholds that are moving towards BJP now.
I am to downplaying other things here. Only pointing to the reasons for a possible massive win of BJP.
In short, Begum is losing elections due to her kukarmas.
One of the other factors is the violence TMC carried out during the last Panchayat elections, wherein 1/3 of the seats were won "unanimously" by the TMC. The anger and hate that was created in a huge number of villages now moving votes to the BJP
The other thing is the massive loot of relief funds etc., when the cyclone hit WB about a year. The situation was terrible, and people were left to fend for themselves. Power was not restored for over a month in many areas. These are TMC strongholds that are moving towards BJP now.
I am to downplaying other things here. Only pointing to the reasons for a possible massive win of BJP.
In short, Begum is losing elections due to her kukarmas.
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Chetak Ji, this has been the standard modus operandi of certain people for over two thousand years. If I may be allowed to diverge a little from the thread to illustrate this very important point. It has worked amazingly well for a long time, it is our good fortune that RaGa does not have the tenacity, dedication and inherent intelligence to pull it off.chetak wrote:A very apprehensive pappu, the janeu wearing, skull cap pasand, posing with padres, RSS bashing, PM in waiting charlatan, is terrified that the sky is about to fall on his head.
This ameriki professor's advice of being all things to all people has sadly left him becoming almost nothing to anyone.
he has successfully managed to step into the tiny shoes of that other dishonest impostor: lulloo yadav
For a long time, the missionaries sent to India were highly dedicated, highly motivated and willing to sacrifice everything to achieve their objective of garnering as many souls for Christ as they could. In that sense they were true believers and fanatically so and therefore highly dangerous. They used every possible method to achieve their ends.
The most well known of these 'Christian Sanyasis' was Roberto de Nobili, born an Italian who came to India in 1604, landing in Goa at the age of 27. Goa at the time was the hub of all missionary activities and even though not Portuguese he was welcomed as his aims coincided with theirs.
In two years he learnt the local languages and went to Madura where there was a Portuguese mission already run by a Father Gonsalvo Fernandez. He had been converting people for 14 yrs already but had only managed to get the low caste 'pariva' people into the fold. At every step he had failed to get the rich or the high caste Brahmins to convert. When de Nobili saw all this happening he realized he had to change tactics. So he proclaimed 'I will become a Hindu to save the Hindus'. And so he did. In this he was simply following in the footsteps and the philosophy of the original evangelist, Paul (who was a Jew in the beginning called Saul). Paul had said when he set off to convert people to Jesus "To the Jew I became a Jew to gain the Jews, to those under the law I became under the law, to those without the law, I became without the law, to the weak I became the weak, I became all things to all men to save them all".
It is a historical fact that de Nobili managed to convert thousands, including high caste Brahmins and priests of the local temples. It is a long story on how he did this, not a topic for this thread.
We can thus be truly thankful for the gift of RaGa.
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Primus ji,
We now have to contend with another variation on the sectarian attack and inculturation
From 'Yoga is not Hindu' they have progressed to 'Temples are not Hindu'!
this demented ricebag creep is mistakenly and allegedly asserting her "identity" as defined by "bishop" caldwell.
Why do they never ever tell us from where they are buying that damn good stuff that they all smoke so regularly.
We now have to contend with another variation on the sectarian attack and inculturation
From 'Yoga is not Hindu' they have progressed to 'Temples are not Hindu'!
this demented ricebag creep is mistakenly and allegedly asserting her "identity" as defined by "bishop" caldwell.
Why do they never ever tell us from where they are buying that damn good stuff that they all smoke so regularly.
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It is digestion. Remove of the sacred part. Standard tactic and also used for festivals like Holi, Diwali.chetak wrote:Primus ji,
We now have to contend with another variation on the sectarian attack and inculturation
From 'Yoga is not Hindu' they have progressed to 'Temples are not Hindu'!
Rajiv Malhotra has talked greatly about it.
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Wow! All this based on one word from my post "schizophrenic." If that's all it takes, I can throw many more interesting words at you. Here's one: "psychosomatic." Let's see you get snappy and build an article out of this one . Remember the girl in Rumpelstiltskin?disha wrote: ...
But kidding aside, that was awesome. Please to disseminate to a wider audience.
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Yes, please accept my appreciation for your astute analysis Disha ji. Worthy of publishing somewhere, OpIndia or Swarajya for sure.
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Wow. BRF has organically moved to the next level in analysis and communication. Very heartwarming. Great post disha.
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As a revenge action there will be a massive law and order situation in Bengal in the likely event of BJP winning the election.
Some local level TMC goons belonging to the peacefool community are alleged to have had meetings with maoists to carry out the hack job.
Two things are must:
(a) The central forces must remain in the state for quite some time once the new govt gets things firmly under control.
(b) Extra BSF must be put in place to seal the international border.
Please share the info ^^^ with the right people in the right places.
Some local level TMC goons belonging to the peacefool community are alleged to have had meetings with maoists to carry out the hack job.
Two things are must:
(a) The central forces must remain in the state for quite some time once the new govt gets things firmly under control.
(b) Extra BSF must be put in place to seal the international border.
Please share the info ^^^ with the right people in the right places.
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Kati wrote:As a revenge action there will be a massive law and order situation in Bengal in the likely event of BJP winning the election.
Some local level TMC goons belonging to the peacefool community are alleged to have had meetings with maoists to carry out the hack job.
Two things are must:
(a) The central forces must remain in the state for quite some time once the new govt gets things firmly under control.
(b) Extra BSF must be put in place to seal the international border.
Please share the info ^^^ with the right people in the right places.
You can expect the complete opposite to happen as well. People who have been oppressed and lived in fear for a long time can react as well. Tripura had a similar reaction.
However, Didi won't go down as easily as the left. If she loses then TMC will be weaker in the assembly but expect kejri style dharnas.
Need a strong CM personality who can take on Didi and fight the good fight on streets.
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Been following this election closely am suprised at how MSM is okay with the level of violence and corruption at the local level.Yagnasri wrote:One of the most under-reported things is the support BJP getting rural areas in WB and among the Namasudras (SC) and other such communities that constitute a huge % of the WB population and are ignored people. The second is the serious effort of the left to move its vote to BJP because BJP winning will create a scape for the left to return to power.
One of the other factors is the violence TMC carried out during the last Panchayat elections, wherein 1/3 of the seats were won "unanimously" by the TMC. The anger and hate that was created in a huge number of villages now moving votes to the BJP
The other thing is the massive loot of relief funds etc., when the cyclone hit WB about a year. The situation was terrible, and people were left to fend for themselves. Power was not restored for over a month in many areas. These are TMC strongholds that are moving towards BJP now.
I am to downplaying other things here. Only pointing to the reasons for a possible massive win of BJP.
In short, Begum is losing elections due to her kukarmas.
How is this not worse or atleast equal to Jungle Raj in Bihar during Laloos time.
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This has already started. She is stage managing well. Sitting alone and the all TV showing 24x1 day covering her is better than her speach.Karna wrote: However, Didi won't go down as easily as the left. If she loses then TMC will be weaker in the assembly but expect kejri style dharnas.
Need to see how this will affect the minds of people and get votes.
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Her votebank will vote irrespective of what's happening, don't think there are swing voters sitting on the fence. BJP will make inroads no doubt about, the question is how many. If BJP has a thin majority or comes close to majority like Maharashtra Didi will make things difficult. However if it is anything like UP then government can work. Hence the choice of CM. In UP it was relatively easy since Bhenji has lost the will and AY was busy doing the coup.madhu wrote:This has already started. She is stage managing well. Sitting alone and the all TV showing 24x1 day covering her is better than her speach.Karna wrote: However, Didi won't go down as easily as the left. If she loses then TMC will be weaker in the assembly but expect kejri style dharnas.
Need to see how this will affect the minds of people and get votes.
India needs an industrialised and wealthy Bengal. Enough of intellectual mast***ion by the elites.
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Post-election win BJP needs a powerful and strong leader who can control the police and paramilitary forces with an iron hand. Without an iron hand, there will no peace and without peace, there will be no development. BJP will either win an outright majority or there is no majority.
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Possible CM candidates :Yagnasri wrote:Post-election win BJP needs a powerful and strong leader who can control the police and paramilitary forces with an iron hand. Without an iron hand, there will no peace and without peace, there will be no development. BJP will either win an outright majority or there is no majority.
1. Dilip Ghosh
2. Mukul Roy
3. Suvendu
But BJP is known for springing a suprise be it Mah, Haryna or UP.