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Suraj: I am talking about the same CAA as you are. I am not asking for people outside its purview to be included in it ad-hoc. That's a separate topic.

By not notifying the rules, the people who fall within the ambit of CAA are no better than before.

Unlike the Farm Laws, where the situation on-the-ground can be changed even without notifying the rules, the CAA cannot. It involves the MEA, Home Ministry and proper paperwork. Without rules, nothing will move.
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Prem Kumar wrote:Suraj: I am talking about the same CAA as you are. I am not asking for people outside its purview to be included in it ad-hoc. That's a separate topic.

By not notifying the rules, the people who fall within the ambit of CAA are no better than before.

Unlike the Farm Laws, where the situation on-the-ground can be changed even without notifying the rules, the CAA cannot. It involves the MEA, Home Ministry and proper paperwork. Without rules, nothing will move.
Sure they can - even without actually implementing CAA itself , they’ve begun the process of inviting citizenship applications from those not quite within he purview of CAA but close enough to keep up it in the news - and this involved the same entities you list:
MHA invites applications for citizenship from non Muslim refugees in 13 districts

They could have done this any time in the past few decades but they did it now.
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he is trolling the congis on an epic scale.

they have been left truly powerless (pun intended).

Yogiji invites Ludhiana industrialists to open their shop in UP with assurance of 24 hours Power supplies, who are now suffering due to Power crisis
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twitter

Why blame only the britshits, we have to accept that it's our fault too.

We were blind folded because we foolishly allowed them to do so.

even today, after many state elections, even the most illiterate jehadi heads unerringly to grab the education portfolio.


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chetak wrote:twitter

Why blame only the britshits, we have to accept that it's our fault too.

We were blind folded because we foolishly allowed them to do so.

even today, after many state elections, even the most illiterate jehadi heads unerringly to grab the education portfolio.


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Even if one has the opinion that all the above had malafide intentions or at best were incompetent, they do not make the compete lost of education ministers. ABV, PVN and many others were too. Do not know if for long enough or made any impact. Listing only those from one community is not helpful.
With all the issues education has seldom been focused on.
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Yayavar wrote:
chetak wrote:twitter

Why blame only the britshits, we have to accept that it's our fault too.

We were blind folded because we foolishly allowed them to do so.

even today, after many state elections, even the most illiterate jehadi heads unerringly to grab the education portfolio.


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Even if one has the opinion that all the above had malafide intentions or at best were incompetent, they do not make the compete lost of education ministers. ABV, PVN and many others were too. Do not know if for long enough or made any impact. Listing only those from one community is not helpful.
With all the issues education has seldom been focused on.
they were aided and abetted by another community and the congis/commies and that community even today has a lock on the sought after and middle class patronized convent infrastructure.

which is why making any changes to the syllabus is so difficult because a BIF mafia has monopolized this space since independence, wilfully denying access to the majority.

"maulana" azad wasn't even born in India. He did not attend any school but was "instructed" by religious teachers.

what qualified such a person to be appointed as India's first education minister. who pushed his case, did India lack educated people of intellectual heft during that time and why so many of them from one community. Is it statistically possible to explain these numbers, or was it "just" a matter of chance or something much more sinister

why has Modi not moved in any meaningful way to correct the wrongs in the text books, in spite of the 303 seats. Why has the evil RTE not been amended or repealed. Why are the Hindus unable to run their own schools, and who controls the temple resources that could have been used to build up a more just, egalitarian, and above all an alternate educational infrastructure that truly reflects Indian history and the ethos of the Indian civilization

might one be so bold as to recommend a bit of research on google regarding the school textbook controversies and also the spin imparted to rewrite Indian history
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India's first education minister Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was the only education ministed who lasted two terms (11 years).
15 August 1947 - 22 January 1958

No wonder India's education system is a total mess.

Contrast with ABV (16 May 1996 - 1 June 1996) not even a month.
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There's a famous Kannada literary figure by name SL Bhyrappa. He has written several famous books including the best selling "Avarana" which was translated to 7 languages. He is in his 90s now but in one of his old interviews he recalls being a part of the NCERT board in the 60s when they were tasked with revising the text books. He was a junior member then but he stood up and politely suggested that we are doing injustice to history by only writing about the art, architecture, political philosophy of islamic rulers and not writing about the destruction they caused. His intention was not to create hatred but atleast tell history as is without going overboard. NCERT chairman removed him and he took the next train back to Mysore. He claims the greatest subversion of our education system and our textbooks took place during the late 60s period when a very insecure, paranoid Indira was doing everything possible to get the muslims to vote for her.
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Sirji, there is a plan to revise NCERT textbooks. The wheels of change move slowly in a democracy but move, they will.
chetak wrote:
Yayavar wrote:
Even if one has the opinion that all the above had malafide intentions or at best were incompetent, they do not make the compete lost of education ministers. ABV, PVN and many others were too. Do not know if for long enough or made any impact. Listing only those from one community is not helpful.
With all the issues education has seldom been focused on.
they were aided and abetted by another community and the congis/commies and that community even today has a lock on the sought after and middle class patronized convent infrastructure.

which is why making any changes to the syllabus is so difficult because a BIF mafia has monopolized this space since independence, wilfully denying access to the majority.

"maulana" azad wasn't even born in India. He did not attend any school but was "instructed" by religious teachers.

what qualified such a person to be appointed as India's first education minister. who pushed his case, did India lack educated people of intellectual heft during that time and why so many of them from one community. Is it statistically possible to explain these numbers, or was it "just" a matter of chance or something much more sinister

why has Modi not moved in any meaningful way to correct the wrongs in the text books, in spite of the 303 seats. Why has the evil RTE not been amended or repealed. Why are the Hindus unable to run their own schools, and who controls the temple resources that could have been used to build up a more just, egalitarian, and above all an alternate educational infrastructure that truly reflects Indian history and the ethos of the Indian civilization

might one be so bold as to recommend a bit of research on google regarding the school textbook controversies and also the spin imparted to rewrite Indian history
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So! Assam is implementing what is effectively a cow slaughter and beef-eating ban. Viswasarma gave a very open and detailed statement on this.."you will not engage in cattle slaughter or consume beef if even one Hindu/Sikh/Jain family resides within 5 km, or there is a temple/gurdwara within 5 km."
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There has always been a plan to revise the textbooks and strident cries of "saffronization" have always broken out each time.

some changes actually made by a few state govts have been immediately reversed when the govts have changed.

the rightwing govts are unsure of their footing in this textbook war but the leftwing, supported by the international commie media find it easy to bulldoze their way through

javadekar said recently that "we have not made even one change in the textbooks" or words to that effect
On the question of rewriting history to espouse the ideology of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Javadekar said, "We have not rewritten a single chapter in the last four years."


whereas the incoming mafia family govts change textbooks even before their new cabinet has been chosen and portfolios have been decided and the press stays absolutely quiet. That's how quickly they act.

The modi govt has taken more than 7 years to get to the point where they are "thinking" about such changes. Modi has 303 seats but no one in the BJP seems to know what 303 means and what it can accomplish if used properly

and OTOH, when the mafia rammed through the RTE, they were in the minority. There wasn't even much opposition from the BJP which made one wonder if these guys were sleeping in parliament when the proverbial rug was being pulled from under the feet of the Hindus

Is RW "democracy" so very different from LW "democracy" or do they know how to better use their power in parliament
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chetak wrote: why has Modi not moved in any meaningful way to correct the wrongs in the text books, in spite of the 303 seats. Why has the evil RTE not been amended or repealed. Why are the Hindus unable to run their own schools, and who controls the temple resources that could have been used to build up a more just, egalitarian, and above all an alternate educational infrastructure that truly reflects Indian history and the ethos of the Indian civilization
It should be done now by Dharmendra Pradhan.

Like I said earlier, Javadekar wanted to fold this into the NEP rather than do it ad hoc.

http://www.uniindia.com/news/india/chan ... 89738.html

His NEP has the necessary language (see sections 4.26-4.29). I posted the NEP link earlier.

However, according to TOI "sources", it was then Pokhriyal's responsibility to get the textbook revisions done, but he did not do it on time. Both he and his MOS were replaced.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 214575.cms
The sources said Nishank was removed because he could not take rapid steps to remove “distortions” in the history syllabus of the National Council of Educational Research and Training (NCERT).
People need to realize that Modi cannot personally order everything to be done. Many things have to be delegated. If people don't perform, he is ready to put someone else in the job to get it done.

I really can't recall any time before 2014 that discussion on cabinet reshuffles centered around performance and achievements. Usually these things would get attention in the media for nothing more than its political significance.
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KL Dubey wrote:
chetak wrote: why has Modi not moved in any meaningful way to correct the wrongs in the text books, in spite of the 303 seats. Why has the evil RTE not been amended or repealed. Why are the Hindus unable to run their own schools, and who controls the temple resources that could have been used to build up a more just, egalitarian, and above all an alternate educational infrastructure that truly reflects Indian history and the ethos of the Indian civilization
It should be done now by Dharmendra Pradhan.

Like I said earlier, Javadekar wanted to fold this into the NEP rather than do it ad hoc. His NEP has the necessary language.

However, according to TOI "sources", it was then Pokhriyal's responsibility to get the textbook revisions done, but he did not do it on time. Both he and his MOS were replaced.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 214575.cms
The sources said Nishank was removed because he could not take rapid steps to remove “distortions” in the history syllabus of the National Council of Educational Research and Training (NCERT).
People need to realize that Modi cannot personally order everything to be done. Many things have to be delegated. If people don't perform, he is ready to put someone else in the job to get it done.

I really can't recall any time before 2014 that discussion on cabinet reshuffles centered around performance and achievements. Usually these things would get attention in the media for nothing more than its political significance.
let's see where this goes before we actually start counting the chickens.

By this very reshuffle, the angry babooze who have been bypassed have become re-energized and will act more vengefully to hobble the changes being made

many of the elevated ministers may actually not be too happy because a bad performance may end up cutting their patta and ending in the loss of a ticket for the next election

but full marks for the most honest govt bar none, since independence.

even mohandas himself would not have been able to achieve this.
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chetak wrote: let's see where this goes before we actually start counting the chickens.

By this very reshuffle, the angry babooze who have been bypassed have become re-energized and will act more vengefully to hobble the changes being made

many of the elevated ministers may actually not be too happy because a bad performance may end up cutting their patta and ending in the loss of a ticket for the next election

but full marks for the most honest govt bar none, since independence.

even mohandas himself would not have been able to achieve this.
I'm not sure what the issue is. The ministers who could not get the baboos under control and deliver what the PM wanted them to have been demoted or removed and replaced with others who need to be given a chance now. The two people blamed for not delivering on getting the curriculum changed have been axed and replaced. What more can the PM do? Should he personally take charge of the Education ministry in addition to his PM responsibilities? If Javdekar and Pokhriyal had not been removed then I can understand being angry or cynical. For now, the new minister needs to be given a chance. This is also the way new leadership for the future will emerge. Lets see who among the new lot can show themselves to be a capable administrator who can coopt or coerce the baboos into doing their jobs.
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I sometimes feel bad for Nitin Gadkari. He seems to be a victim of his own success. He has been excellent in the Road Transport ministry and deserves a promotion. Of course the worry is that whoever replaces him will not be able to do as good a job and may be taken for a ride by the baboos who have found deceiving Gadkari to be impossible and the infrastructure sector will take a hit which we cannot afford. So Gadkari remains where he is.

It would have been very interesting to see what he can accomplish in Defence for example but we are unlikely to see that. Political differences with Modi/Shah may also be involved in keeping him where he is but those are only rumours.
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nachiket wrote:[
I'm not sure what the issue is. The ministers who could not get the baboos under control and deliver what the PM wanted them to have been demoted or removed and replaced with others who need to be given a chance now. The two people blamed for not delivering on getting the curriculum changed have been axed and replaced. What more can the PM do? Should he personally take charge of the Education ministry in addition to his PM responsibilities? If Javdekar and Pokhriyal had not been removed then I can understand being angry or cynical. For now, the new minister needs to be given a chance. This is also the way new leadership for the future will emerge. Lets see who among the new lot can show themselves to be a capable administrator who can coopt or coerce the baboos into doing their jobs.
During the dark days of April/May when India was gasping for o2, a bunch of Indian origin doctors from US shipped 2 dozen o2 concentrators. It reached India and then promptly sat waiting customs clearance where the customs babus held it up for obvious reasons. We often complain that Modi/BJP seem to have forgotten that they have 303 seats in the parliament, but the rot is so deep in the system and they are fighting a century old ecosystem that every action is met with 10x resistance. Its a long battle and unfortunately there is no clear sight if/when/how the ecosystem will be defeated.
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nachiket wrote:I sometimes feel bad for Nitin Gadkari. He seems to be a victim of his own success. He has been excellent in the Road Transport ministry and deserves a promotion. Of course the worry is that whoever replaces him will not be able to do as good a job and may be taken for a ride by the baboos who have found deceiving Gadkari to be impossible and the infrastructure sector will take a hit which we cannot afford. So Gadkari remains where he is.

It would have been very interesting to see what he can accomplish in Defence for example but we are unlikely to see that. Political differences with Modi/Shah may also be involved in keeping him where he is but those are only rumours.
He may not even want defense . Nitin Gadkari is a marketing savvy showman, its hard to hire thousands of media influencers to cover progress in national security sensitive defense sector the way infra development across India is being covered now. He has his eyes firmly set on the big seat, and if his mentor Pramod Mahajan had been alive, then Pramod Mahajan would have been the PM and Gadkari would have likely been the asst.PM and Modi still the CM of GJ. It is not so much as who will RSS support in 2024 if Modi decides not to run but who can rally votes at a pan-India level - Amit Shah or Nitin Gadkari or Yogi Adityanath ?
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Ambar wrote: He may not even want defense . Nitin Gadkari is a marketing savvy showman, its hard to hire thousands of media influencers to cover progress in national security sensitive defense sector the way infra development across India is being covered now. He has his eyes firmly set on the big seat, and if his mentor Pramod Mahajan had been alive, then Pramod Mahajan would have been the PM and Gadkari would have likely been the asst.PM and Modi still the CM of GJ. It is not so much as who will RSS support in 2024 if Modi decides not to run but who can rally votes at a pan-India level - Amit Shah or Nitin Gadkari or Yogi Adityanath ?
Calling him a mere showman is uncalled for. The infra sector had taken a huge hit during the dark days of UPA II as we know. Gadkari's remit was to effect a turnaround in the sector and get things going again. He has delivered on that and then some. Pace of highway construction is the highest it has ever been including new greenfield expressways. Several strategic roads and projects in the north and northeast which were languishing for years are getting done along with new ones. Road infra is one sector where no one including the opposition has tried to attack the government on because they know it would be foolish. If after this he wants to publicize the achievement and claim credit, he deserves it. And frankly the government needs some good PR too wherever they can get it looking at all the challenges elsewhere.

I suggested Defence because that has been a stinking cesspool of vested interests, unbelievable bureaucratic delays, import lobbies and a complete absence of clear decision making for a long time. Based on current performance I could not think of another minister in the cabinet who might have an outside chance of fixing the mess. But like I said, it is not going to happen. As for Gadkari's chances of becoming PM, I think even he knows that time has passed. Gadkari cannot rally votes at the same level as Shah or Yogi. Not even close. BJP has no path to forming a government without UP and Gadkari is practically an unknown there.
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nachiket wrote:It would have been very interesting to see what he can accomplish in Defence for example but we are unlikely to see that. Political differences with Modi/Shah may also be involved in keeping him where he is but those are only rumours.
When Nirmala Sitharaman took over defence in 2018, there were reports that Modi sounded out Gadkari on moving to defence, and the latter preferred to stay where he was. That may very well be the case even now - he's perhaps passionate about this area, even during his days as a minister in MH, he was mostly associated with highway and flyover (in Mumbai) construction. People who are passionate about their areas should be left well alone so they can do their best, and my reading is that Modi has done just that.

As for the other heavyweight ministries like Defence, Finance, Home and External affairs - Modi is perhaps satisfied with their performance and has decided that he's found the right team to helm these areas, hence hasn't moved anyone around. Such a deep reshuffle in other areas without touching this core reinforces this explanation.
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nachiket wrote:
chetak wrote: let's see where this goes before we actually start counting the chickens.

By this very reshuffle, the angry babooze who have been bypassed have become re-energized and will act more vengefully to hobble the changes being made

many of the elevated ministers may actually not be too happy because a bad performance may end up cutting their patta and ending in the loss of a ticket for the next election

but full marks for the most honest govt bar none, since independence.

even mohandas himself would not have been able to achieve this.
I'm not sure what the issue is. The ministers who could not get the baboos under control and deliver what the PM wanted them to have been demoted or removed and replaced with others who need to be given a chance now. The two people blamed for not delivering on getting the curriculum changed have been axed and replaced. What more can the PM do? Should he personally take charge of the Education ministry in addition to his PM responsibilities? If Javdekar and Pokhriyal had not been removed then I can understand being angry or cynical. For now, the new minister needs to be given a chance. This is also the way new leadership for the future will emerge. Lets see who among the new lot can show themselves to be a capable administrator who can coopt or coerce the baboos into doing their jobs.
with increasing lateral entry and people from "other" subordinate services being placed in positions that were once seen as the exclusive and sole preserve of the babooze, there is resentment brewing within the twice born descendants of the erstwhile ancien ICS tribe.


They [the opposition] are only the opposition in exile. The IAS is the opposition in residence is what the entrenched deep state is all about

also, there are rumors that gadkari may have had a brush with the icarus syndrome, allegedly egged on by some in nagpur and the result was that he seems to have blotted his copybook. Needless garrulousness from nagpur has, of late, once again begun to take centerstage

BTW, right from day 1, there was nothing holding back these guys from making efforts to reset the many evils in the textbook curriculum.

It's not as though these ministers are doing the actual mazdoori work. they however need to engage actively, set goals for their subordinates, review progress and, if need be, course correct to reach the objective. This should not have taken 7 years to even get off the ground and that too possibly only when the news of the reshuffle must have got to them months before it became public news because the performance reviews may have started much earlier.

rudy pratap was told some years ago to stop operating commercial flights because of the conflict of interest. He is now completely out of the political picture but he still continues to operate flights for an airline.

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arshyam wrote: As for the other heavyweight ministries like Defence, Finance, Home and External affairs - Modi is perhaps satisfied with their performance and has decided that he's found the right team to helm these areas, hence hasn't moved anyone around. Such a deep reshuffle in other areas without touching this core reinforces this explanation.
For HM, there is no better candidate than Amit Shah. Jaishankar has been doing a good job as well as expected from a career diplomat. Sitharaman has caught a lot of flack for economic performance but removing her now wouldn't be fair considering she has had to deal with the pandemic induced slowdown although economic growth had been hit even prior to that. As for RS, he is a political heavyweight and hasn't had a long enough tenure anyway. Besides, Defence isn't like the other ministries. Beyond a bunch of defence enthusiasts and journalists nobody actually knows enough to even have an opinion on whether the minister has done a good or bad job. So it is not surprising at all that Modi left the big four ministries alone.
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nachiket wrote:
arshyam wrote: As for the other heavyweight ministries like Defence, Finance, Home and External affairs - Modi is perhaps satisfied with their performance and has decided that he's found the right team to helm these areas, hence hasn't moved anyone around. Such a deep reshuffle in other areas without touching this core reinforces this explanation.
For HM, there is no better candidate than Amit Shah. Jaishankar has been doing a good job as well as expected from a career diplomat. Sitharaman has caught a lot of flack for economic performance but removing her now wouldn't be fair considering she has had to deal with the pandemic induced slowdown although economic growth had been hit even prior to that. As for RS, he is a political heavyweight and hasn't had a long enough tenure anyway. Besides, Defence isn't like the other ministries. Beyond a bunch of defence enthusiasts and journalists nobody actually knows enough to even have an opinion on whether the minister has done a good or bad job. So it is not surprising at all that Modi left the big four ministries alone.
given the long term global headwinds coupled with and immediately preceding the pandemic, sitharaman has very commendably, held her own.

the requirements for finances, especially given the skyrocketing and unprecedented social and health sector demands have left the govt with little option for creativity.
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chetak wrote:
Yayavar wrote:
Even if one has the opinion that all the above had malafide intentions or at best were incompetent, they do not make the compete lost of education ministers. ABV, PVN and many others were too. Do not know if for long enough or made any impact. Listing only those from one community is not helpful.
With all the issues education has seldom been focused on.
they were aided and abetted by another community and the congis/commies and that community even today has a lock on the sought after and middle class patronized convent infrastructure.

which is why making any changes to the syllabus is so difficult because a BIF mafia has monopolized this space since independence, wilfully denying access to the majority.

"maulana" azad wasn't even born in India. He did not attend any school but was "instructed" by religious teachers.

what qualified such a person to be appointed as India's first education minister. who pushed his case, did India lack educated people of intellectual heft during that time and why so many of them from one community. Is it statistically possible to explain these numbers, or was it "just" a matter of chance or something much more sinister

why has Modi not moved in any meaningful way to correct the wrongs in the text books, in spite of the 303 seats. Why has the evil RTE not been amended or repealed. Why are the Hindus unable to run their own schools, and who controls the temple resources that could have been used to build up a more just, egalitarian, and above all an alternate educational infrastructure that truly reflects Indian history and the ethos of the Indian civilization

might one be so bold as to recommend a bit of research on google regarding the school textbook controversies and also the spin imparted to rewrite Indian history
It is of course true that there is reform needed and has been attempted in the past. No one on BRF is unaware of this. You could yourself google that Maulana may have been born in Mecca but was a prominent figure in pre-independence Congress. He did have some credentials and good was also done when he was education minister. His book 'India wins Freedom' and its last 30 pages published 30 years after his death were discussed on BRF.
In contrast I wonder if Fakhruddin did anything useful anywhere - he of the emergency declaration signing as president. But all this neither here nor there.

My comment is basically that implying bad intentions based on religion of the ministers does not advance your case. It may be true - in that case it should be easy to list what they did. Otherwise you weaken your own case since those opposed to you (the BIF forces) can easily counter and discard your argument since it is based merely on religion and not evidence. So may one be so bold to suggest use of actual evidence rather than insinuations based on religious identity.
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Suraj wrote: Sure they can - even without actually implementing CAA itself , they’ve begun the process of inviting citizenship applications from those not quite within he purview of CAA but close enough to keep up it in the news - and this involved the same entities you list:
MHA invites applications for citizenship from non Muslim refugees in 13 districts

They could have done this any time in the past few decades but they did it now.
Yes, I've seen that news. As you well know, this notification has nothing to do with the CAA, but its under an older law that allows for legal immigrants to apply for citizenship.

1) Its a process with a stringent eligibility requirement
2) Applies only to legal immigrants
3) These rules have already been framed in 2009. That's why they're able to implement them

While its good that this Govt is doing this, while the previous ones (including Modi Sarkar 1st term) didn't, this just proves the point that only notified rules can be implemented in cases involving immigration.

The CAA is a stronger law than the above because it relaxes both points 1 & 2. But by pussyfooting, the Govt has effectively let it die. The situation on the ground isn't going to change much by these "incremental-sneak-in-behind-the-scenes" moves. See article below for the woes faced by non-Muslim refugees in India post-CAA, because of non-notification of rules

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/caa- ... ial-apathy

We can choose to see the situation as a glass that's 10% full. But its a betrayal of a mandate & a signalling of weakness
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chetak wrote:
KL Dubey wrote:
let's see where this goes before we actually start counting the chickens.
By this very reshuffle, the angry babooze who have been bypassed have become re-energized and will act more vengefully to hobble the changes being made
I'd give the same advice to you....don't assume everything in the world is wrong unless done "ASAP", and we are fawked in the end anyway (stories of angry babus, etc etc).

I didn't say this job was done yet. I showed you the background and the work done so far. It's not like nothing was happening. And I stated who is in charge now to deliver the NEP - which is the central job of the education ministry now. DP has shown his capability in other areas. If he can get NEP implemented, it will be a massive change in our education system - going far beyond (but including) the history syllabus revisions.
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Prem Kumar wrote:But by pussyfooting, the Govt has effectively let it die. The situation on the ground isn't going to change much by these "incremental-sneak-in-behind-the-scenes" moves.
These type of 'sensational' posting attempts don't serve any purpose. Do some checking before posting.

The sarkar is working on this.

On Feb 2 the sarkar requested the sansad for time extension on CAA rules and was granted time till Aug 9. The rules should be coming out soon now.

On Feb 12 Amit Shah said very clearly that CAA implementation has been temporarily kept in abeyance due to covid, and will start once COVID vaccination target is achieved.

https://thewire.in/government/caa-imple ... -amit-shah

Covid has slowed down many things. Much of 2020 and early 2021 was lost in focusing on covid response and china threat.
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KL Dubey wrote:
chetak wrote:
By this very reshuffle, the angry babooze who have been bypassed have become re-energized and will act more vengefully to hobble the changes being made
I'd give the same advice to you....don't assume everything in the world is wrong unless done "ASAP", and we are fawked in the end anyway (stories of angry babus, etc etc).

I didn't say this job was done yet. I showed you the background and the work done so far. It's not like nothing was happening. And I stated who is in charge now to deliver the NEP - which is the central job of the education ministry now. DP has shown his capability in other areas. If he can get NEP implemented, it will be a massive change in our education system - going far beyond (but including) the history syllabus revisions.

I am not counting anything.

They seem to have woken up after 7 years and the people have waited patiently.



The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

So at least let's see the pudding first, eating may be another matter altogether.
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chetak wrote: javadekar said recently that "we have not made even one change in the textbooks" or words to that effect
On the question of rewriting history to espouse the ideology of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Javadekar said, "We have not rewritten a single chapter in the last four years."

he gets a lot of flak but just saying this is the BA History UGC syllabus.

https://twitter.com/IndicHistory/status ... 1660605454

entire syllabus here https://t.co/jFz8vsaEU0?amp=1

well if he "hasnt rewritten a single chapter" then I wonder how this happened?
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chetak wrote: javadekar said recently that "we have not made even one change in the textbooks" or words to that effect


he gets a lot of flak but just saying this is the BA History UGC syllabus.

https://twitter.com/IndicHistory/status ... 1660605454

entire syllabus here https://t.co/jFz8vsaEU0?amp=1

well if he "hasnt rewritten a single chapter" then I wonder how this happened?
when the change comes as it invariably will, tomorrow or the day after,

these syllabi will be rewritten within a few short weeks and they will revert to status quo ante. Three desert cults are major stake holders in the long standing efforts at falsification of Indian history and the management of the Indian educational ecosystem and they are globally connected. They are the commies, the rolers and the ropers. One of the desert cults originated in the intellectual deserts of europe.

they will certainly not wait even 7 weeks, let alone 7 years and that is the whole point being made.

the current malignant and entrenched educational ecosystem is commie infested and riddled with BIF beholden "academicians" with long and lethal tenures, also, there is a long line of predetermined, and pre-approved successors waiting in line.

Isn't there is a pillar of our "democracy" which follows such a restrictive recruitment and promotion strategy resulting in ecosystem management techniques and see where that has led us.

syllabi changes are just one part. The ecosystem must be reset to accommodate another point of view and unless that is done, the changes will not take root and flourish

The ICSE school syllabus is even more toxic and culturally radioactive.
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KL Dubey wrote: The sarkar is working on this.
....

Covid has slowed down many things. Much of 2020 and early 2021 was lost in focusing on covid response and china threat.
CAA was passed in Dec 2019, a full 4 months before Covid was even a thing. That the CAA was put in cold storage due to Shaheen Bagh protests is evident to everyone but blind supporters of Modi-Shah. I will believe the rules when I see it. Till then, you can keep bloviating all you want.
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Prem Kumar wrote:
KL Dubey wrote: The sarkar is working on this.
....

Covid has slowed down many things. Much of 2020 and early 2021 was lost in focusing on covid response and china threat.
CAA was passed in Dec 2019, a full 4 months before Covid was even a thing. That the CAA was put in cold storage due to Shaheen Bagh protests is evident to everyone but blind supporters of Modi-Shah. I will believe the rules when I see it. Till then, you can keep bloviating all you want.
Why should CAA notification stop because of COVID? We need to make sure this is in effect before that Chandrachud takes over as CJI. He wants to make his own laws as dictated by BIF.
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Covid is just a convenient excuse for people to justify their inaction. During the same Covid, our jawans were giving a bloody nose to the Chinese in Galwan.

Chandrachud is a big concern. Cringe-worthy seeker of approval from the West, a DIE, with a warped understanding of liberalism, not to mention a chip on the shoulder. Sadly, the Govt is unwilling to take on either the media or the judiciary.

Sharp article from Jaggi about him

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/a-future- ... ould-worry
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vijayk wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:
CAA was passed in Dec 2019, a full 4 months before Covid was even a thing. That the CAA was put in cold storage due to Shaheen Bagh protests is evident to everyone but blind supporters of Modi-Shah. I will believe the rules when I see it. Till then, you can keep bloviating all you want.
Why should CAA notification stop because of COVID? We need to make sure this is in effect before that Chandrachud takes over as CJI. He wants to make his own laws as dictated by BIF.
Because - quite obviously - the notification and implementation will require coordination by many officials in every district. Everybody got busy responding to covid, or even just staying at home. And, even more obviously, nobody wants applicants thronging registration centers during lockdowns and waves.

Look, as I mentioned earlier, the sarkar will act according to its plans, not yours. CAA will be implemented. Don't waste your time making posts that don't have any effect. I suspect you will disregard my advice entirely, but I won't be wasting my time responding to you on this any more.
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Justice Chandrachud is erroneous. SC's role is not to be the counter-majoritarian, but to look at the law.

That role is for Opposition politicians. If he wants to be the Opposition then he should contest in elections.
Not sit in SC and subvert the Constitution for Judiciary role is not politics.
If his argument is that anti-terror laws suppress dissent then the terrorists should eschew terrorism and violence.
Its this judicial ambivalence of being with the hares(govt) and running with the dogs of war(urban Naxals) is troublesome.
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most worrying is that this guy is in line to be CJI right around the time of 2024 elections.
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Chief Justice is just a title. While he may have seniority and some administrative leeway, his power as a judge of the apex court is not any more then other judges of the Supreme Court.

BJP has to bring in system change before he becomes the chief justice to make sure the chances of manipulative rostering (bench fixing of left leaning judges) does not happen. This used to happen during the Italian Mafia rule when Kapil Sibal, Salman Khurshid, P Chidambaram and Manu Singhvi used to ride rough shod and behave like the Lords of the Supreme court.
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Is the succession rule written in stone? I thought the govt had some options to raise objections during confirmation of a judge, though they may not be able to overrule the collegium.

Justice chandrachud's statement is a clear misunderstanding of the role played by the judiciary and can be the grounds for the govt to object to his elevation as the CJI, provided they want to pick up that battle. The SC's job is to follow and enforce the constitution, not treat it as a friend, philosopher and guide, as he seems to suggest. Such a course of action will end up riding roughshod over the other organs of the state, while denying justice due to unconstitutional interpretations of the law to suit some woke ideas of justice. This is also a disturbing nod toward the now dead communal violence bill championed by the congress, which needs to be nipped in the bud. Needless to say, the SC in the long run is only losing the respect it once commanded, but that's another topic for another day.

Of course, going by past performance, the Modi govt will meekly cave in to our detriment. I hope I am proven wrong though.
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ramana wrote:
Justice Chandrachud is erroneous. SC's role is not to be the counter-majoritarian, but to look at the law.

That role is for Opposition politicians. If he wants to be the Opposition then he should contest in elections.
Not sit in SC and subvert the Constitution for Judiciary role is not politics.
If his argument is that anti-terror laws suppress dissent then the terrorists should eschew terrorism and violence.
Its this judicial ambivalence of being with the hares(govt) and running with the dogs of war(urban Naxals) is troublesome.
Justice Chandrachud is singing the same tune that the media sings ..... when BJP is in power. The media says pompously that their job is to be "anti-establishment, conscience keeper and protector of minority interests". No such statements ever came from them when the Congress was in power. Then, they groveled when asked to bend.

The job of the media is to report the news, investigative or otherwise, with impartiality. The job of the SC is to ensure the implementation of the law, deliver swift justice & adherence to the constitution.

They have both failed miserably in their primary duty, but arrogate to themselves some self-declared ideals, which disappear like the morning fog once their favorite ideology comes to power
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