India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Rudradev]

^Kari patta as well.

Also: "virtually unknown cornflake?" Please. I am from a very ordinary middle-class family and I had tried Mohun Cornflakes as a child even in the 1980s.

[Rudradev]

https://www.thequint.com/us-nri-news/us ... #read-more

Thirty organisations have already signed the resolution and there are more to join, the speaker reading the resolution mentioned. The signatories include Action Alliance to Redress 1219, Ambedkar International Center, American Muslim Institution, Association of Indian Muslims of America, Cambodian Development Foundation, Center for Pluralism, Church of Scientology National Affairs Office, Coalition Against Fascism in India, Coalition of Seattle Indian Americans, Council on American Islamic Relations among others.

Great ! BIFs are getting easier to identify.

Some strange organisations in the partial list above:

Action Alliance to Redress 1219: Action Alliance to Redress 1219 is a group of international and Taiwanese legal, religious, and human rights specialists working to restore the truth about the ongoing persecution of Tai Ji Men in Taiwan (!)
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I looked a bit further into these guys. Pretty funny story!

So the background is that there is a religious sect called Falun Gong/Falun Dafa in PRC. They observe a form of qi gong and share many overlapping concepts with dharmic philosophies.

Anyway, around the 1990s the CPC started brutally persecuting Falun Gong members. Disappearing them, harvesting their organs, all kinds of things. However, Falun Gong had many followers among the Chinese diaspora and they have done a great job of organizing and fighting back-- political activism, generating awareness, you name it. One of their web portals is now a significant news source, The Epoch Times, in the USA. They have a very strong presence in Australia and some European countries as well. I've seen quite a few of their rallies in NYC over the years, and they were always well-attended.

PRC of course considers Falun Gong to be a front for mischief-making by Culinary Institute and Taiwan. So what they have done in retaliation is to invent some completely bogus sect called Tai Ji Men, and accuse the Taiwanese government (probably falsely) of having "persecuted" this sect. This is PRC's way of claiming that they, too stand up for "human rights"... while smearing Taiwan as having poor religious freedom.

In effect this is the same as Zaid Zaman Hamid (or Moeed Yusuf) responding to evidence of Pakistan's jihadi terror campaign against India, with bogus counter-accusations of India supporting terrorism in Pakistan. You remember: "Colonel Prohit and Sadhvi bombed the Samjhauta Express", that kind of thing.

Here is a lifafa article (paid for by PRC/MSS) in the California Patch about this Tai Ji Men organization. Look at the vast number of protestors gathered in the picture

https://patch.com/california/diamondbar ... t-24-years



Of course, as a PRC front, it is hardly surprising that anything associated with Tai Ji Men e.g. "Action Alliance to Redress 1219" has lent itself to the BIF aandolanjeevis demanding sanctions against Ebhil Mudi's India.

[Vayutuvan]

^Kari patta as well.

Also: "virtually unknown cornflake?" Please. I am from a very ordinary middle-class family and I had tried Mohun Cornflakes as a child even in the 1980s.

makka aTukulu could be had in great quantities. Literally basketfuls. One sends a kuncheDu makkalu to the local [pElaala vaaLLu[/i], who will do make them into flakes for you. They keep a a quarter of the corn kernels as their payment. They will sell those after processing to get cash.

Same with jonnalu (Sorghum). One can get poped sorghum back from the local bhatti. They used to be so fresh, one could even feel their warmth.

Kellog's school at NW is known for its marketing department.

[chetak]

Nice. So their plan was I should ditch dosa, idli, appam, roti, sambhar, dal etc and eat corn based crap coming from a land that scarf down grits, gravy, bacon, sausage, ham, butter etc?

And we always had Champion cone flakes. So it is not like we did not know the rubbish

Don’t knock corn flakes. They’re good when roasted with peanuts, jeera, lal mirch, kali mirch, mustard seed and haldi.

yes, with just a hint of cold pressed coconut oil or mustard oil per preference.

hnair ji,

the amerikis are always out to educate the natives and to convert them to their own superior ways.

That monstrosity of a fast food company called taco bell has just opened and nothing on the menu there seems right for the Indian tongue

[Vayutuvan]

yes, with just a hint of cold pressed coconut oil or mustard oil per preference.

Actually I love a hint of cold pressed tEl (cold pressed sesame oil - sesame is native to the subcontinent).

[chetak]

yes, with just a hint of cold pressed coconut oil or mustard oil per preference.

Actually I love a hint of cold pressed tEl (cold pressed sesame oil - sesame is native to the subcontinent).

missed that one, should have included it.

[sanjaykumar]

I recommend Spam to Indians and also the attendant effigies of DC 3s.

[saip]

GA Governor Kemp declared Aug 15 as the India date and issued a proclamation. Part of the proclamation says "..India’s non-violent struggle for freedom, its rejection of terrorism and extremism, and its belief in democracy,.." Burnol time for Pakis
MN also declared Aug 10th as India Day.

[Kakkaji]

^Kari patta as well.

Also: "virtually unknown cornflake?" Please. I am from a very ordinary middle-class family and I had tried Mohun Cornflakes as a child even in the 1980s.

I am from a very ordinary middle-class family and I had tried Mohun Cornflakes as a child even in the 1960s

[Cyrano]

Why fear the entry of fat filled, sugar filled, high caloric American fast food when we have our own Sunny Leone burger ?


Now match that you Amreekis

[Tanaji]

Why not cut out all the unnecessary middle steps and just inject the fat into your veins directly?

[rsingh]

Errrr There will be trade mark and brand labeling issues. Mohterma SL has worked to her *** to make this brand. Ahh there was this L&M DHAGA to do vichar on such stratigical issues.

[Manish_P]

Why the surprise? Such buttery, cheesy snacks have been there for years in India... especially western India.

Check out the video of Sardar Pav Bhaji of Mumbai... or practically any snack cart in Gujarat cities (check out random foodie YouTube videos of Surat, Vadodara, Ahmedabad). Butter and cheese abound. Doses, sandwich, pizzas, pav bhaji all will be literally bursting with cheese and butter. Inside and on top.

No offense intended, I have quite a few gujju friends, colleagues and neighbors here in Mumbai - almost all are crazy for cheese and butter and in recent years 'Mayo' .. almost half of them are diabetic, the remaining are well on the way to becoming diabetic..

[chetak]

Why not cut out all the unnecessary middle steps and just inject the fat into your veins directly?

live a little, sirji.

we will all depart one day, some sooner than others, no

[Tanaji]

Why the surprise? Such buttery, cheesy snacks have been there for years in India... especially western India.

Check out the video of Sardar Pav Bhaji of Mumbai... or practically any snack cart in Gujarat cities (check out random foodie YouTube videos of Surat, Vadodara, Ahmedabad). Butter and cheese abound. Doses, sandwich, pizzas, pav bhaji all will be literally bursting with cheese and butter. Inside and on top.

Yes I have seen those. Almost all of them put tons of gloopy white stuff and shred tons of cheese. It is almost like drown out any other flavours in preference to fat and salty, two of the most craved flavours.

I think these things are okay to have once, I dont think there is any great skill even from street food standards. Give me vada pao or dabeli any day.

I think bredators must be arming hellfires right now…

[Rudradev]

New assault incoming. I think this event may be scheduled (and sponsored) for the specific purpose of distracting public opinion from the impending horrors of Taliban Islamism.

The objective is to loudly defame against Hindus, India, & Hindutva at the exact same time when the public floggings, amputations and oppression of women begin to dominate the headlines out of Afghanistan. Expect to hear the calumny that "BJP/RSS = Hindu Taliban" repeated very often.

Speakers Include: Anand Patwardhan | Ayesha Kidwai | Banu Subramaniam | Bhanwar Meghwanshi | Christophe Jaffrelot | Kavita Krishnan | Meena Kandasamy | Mohammad Junaid | Nandini Sunder | Neha Dixit | Reetika Khera

Cosponsors Include Departments and Centers at: Northwestern | UC Berkeley | UChicago | Columbia | Harvard | UPenn | Princeton | Stanford

[Manish_P]

Event about 'threat' of hindutva on the anniversary of 9/11..

[Karan M]

The GOI should crack down on all the jokers in the above list, using all and every means at its disposal. The fact we just nod our heads and let these things happen is what makes us as a soft state.

[vera_k]

Bharara Tweet

I always thought Preet Bharara was an Indian origin immigrant. However, this tweet says his dad had to leave India to go to Pakistan as a refugee on Aug 15.

[g.sarkar]

Mr. Bharara is an immigrant to the US. If I understand correctly, his father, like millions of others, left those areas that belong to Pakistan now and migrated to India after August 15, 1947.
Gautam

[Varoon Shekhar]

The GOI should crack down on all the jokers in the above list, using all and every means at its disposal. The fact we just nod our heads and let these things happen is what makes us as a soft state.

Definitely. These people should never be allowed back into India, particularly if any equation is made between Hindutva or the BJP, the RSS and VHP on the one hand, and the Taliban on the other. Let them move permanently to Afghanistan, and work for democracy, secularism and pluralism. Give the world weekly updates( if they even last a week).

[vera_k]

Mr. Bharara is an immigrant to the US. If I understand correctly, his father, like millions of others, left those areas that belong to Pakistan now and migrated to India after August 15, 1947.
Gautam

That was my assumption as well, which is why I was surprised to see the tweet.

If his father migrated to India, he would have become a refugee on August 14 (Pakistan independence day). If someone becomes a refugee on August 15, it would be because they are no longer an Indian citizen and migrating to Pakistan.

[g.sarkar]

Borders between India and Pakistan did not close after August 15, 1947. People were moving in and out of the countries for months, if not years after partition. Things changed only after 1965 war.
Gautam

[Maria]

Has the RW ecosystem ever carried out a meet named Dismantling Indian Left?

[vijayk]

New assault incoming. I think this event may be scheduled (and sponsored) for the specific purpose of distracting public opinion from the impending horrors of Taliban Islamism.

The objective is to loudly defame against Hindus, India, & Hindutva at the exact same time when the public floggings, amputations and oppression of women begin to dominate the headlines out of Afghanistan. Expect to hear the calumny that "BJP/RSS = Hindu Taliban" repeated very often.

Speakers Include: Anand Patwardhan | Ayesha Kidwai | Banu Subramaniam | Bhanwar Meghwanshi | Christophe Jaffrelot | Kavita Krishnan | Meena Kandasamy | Mohammad Junaid | Nandini Sunder | Neha Dixit | Reetika Khera

Cosponsors Include Departments and Centers at: Northwestern | UC Berkeley | UChicago | Columbia | Harvard | UPenn | Princeton | Stanford

Spoke to a lawyer and sending legal notices to UMass Boston and Boston college.

The lawyer is working on the letter. If anyone has any ideas, let me know.

My summary:

1. This is a promotion of hate of Hindus to intimidate Hindus from participating in any public causes.
2. There were incidents where Indian temples and gurdwaras were targets of desecration and violence.
3. As a recipient of public funds, it is sad to see your university being sponsor of hate and associating Hindus with white supremacists and also timing of 9/11 is not coincidental and it is deliberate to spread the hatred towards Hindu community

[anmol]

[Cyrano]

Did anyone notice 8/11 speakers listed above in the dismantling global hindutva are themselves hindus ? With apneys like this who needs paraya enemies?

[ArjunPandit]

Bharara Tweet

I always thought Preet Bharara was an Indian origin immigrant. However, this tweet says his dad had to leave India to go to Pakistan as a refugee on Aug 15.

that explains his actions against Devyani khobragade and quite likely against rajat gupta too.. very interesting ..seems like crypto with names

[vijayk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preet_Bharara

Bharara was born in 1968 in Firozpur, Punjab, India, to a Sikh father and Hindu mother.[5] His parents immigrated to the United States in 1970, and Bharara became a U.S. citizen at age 12. He grew up in Eatontown in suburban Monmouth County, New Jersey[6] and attended Ranney School in Tinton Falls, New Jersey, where he graduated as valedictorian in 1986.[7][8]

[rsingh]

Bharara Tweet

I always thought Preet Bharara was an Indian origin immigrant. However, this tweet says his dad had to leave India to go to Pakistan as a refugee on Aug 15.

that explains his actions against Devyani khobragade and quite likely against rajat gupta too.. very interesting ..seems like crypto with names

Why a SIKH had to go to Pakistan on 15 Augest? . This masala can fool Americans not us.please . Someone has to challenge this to prove that prosecutor is a kambakht.
BTW I am starting to like fox news.

[saip]

Preet Bharara
@PreetBharara
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Aug 15
On this date in 1947, India got its independence, the country was partitioned, and my father became a refugee. Thinking of refugees today.

Where did he say that his father went to Pakistan? May be his father became a refugee and came to India from Pakistan.

[vera_k]

^ It is an inference on my part, since the country was partitioned on Aug 14. Anyone who eventually settled in Pakistan and became a refugee on Aug 15 would have to be on the Indian side. Someone who travelled to India from Pakistan would have become a refugee on Aug 14.

[uddu]

Has the RW ecosystem ever carried out a meet named Dismantling Indian Left?

What has Christian RW or LW to do with India and the ideology of India and Indians? Indian native Dharmic ideology is the one that survived the onslaught of the European RW. What happens in the Christian west is the RW and LW vying for power. Indians be not foolish enough to believe that we are one of them.

[arshyam]

^ It is an inference on my part, since the country was partitioned on Aug 14. Anyone who eventually settled in Pakistan and became a refugee on Aug 15 would have to be on the Indian side. Someone who travelled to India from Pakistan would have become a refugee on Aug 14.

It's a very fine point, I doubt he meant it this way.

Anyway, why are discussing one tweet by a random individual over so many posts?

(yes, I know who he is, but he is random as far as this thread is concerned)

[anupmisra]

If anyone has any ideas, let me know. This is a promotion of hate of Hindus to intimidate Hindus from participating in any public causes. As a recipient of public funds, it is sad to see your university being sponsor of hate and associating Hindus with white supremacists

Contact ACLU and US Dept of Justice - both will act to prevent these sorts of public seminars that promote hatred of religions.

[anupmisra]

Bharara Tweet

I always thought Preet Bharara was an Indian origin immigrant. However, this tweet says his dad had to leave India to go to Pakistan as a refugee on Aug 15.

Bharara’s tweet does not match your above statement.

[SRajesh]

Bharara Tweet

I always thought Preet Bharara was an Indian origin immigrant. However, this tweet says his dad had to leave India to go to Pakistan as a refugee on Aug 15.

Bharara’s tweet does not match your above statement.

Sir ji
We are giving too much credit to the American educatiion,
Here's a sample:
Ashraf Ghani : American Scholarship : Embraced Money/Power
Sher Muhammed Abbas: American Scholarship : Embraced Religion (Taliban head of political office)
Zalmay Khalilzad : American Scholarship : Embraced Capitalism.
Who knows what Mr Bharara has embraced

[Rudradev]

Biden sarkar is really in trouble with the Afghanistan fiasco. Biden's ratings slipped below 50% for the first time this week.

And now even the most liberal of centrist-Democrat publications... the very folks who lionized Joe Biden endlessly in the run-up to the 2020 election... have put out this absolutely damning, scathing indictment of him.

This isn't Fox News or OANN-- this is The Atlantic!!!

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... rd/619799/

“I’m getting sick and tired of hearing about morality, our moral obligation,” Joe Biden said in 1975. “There’s a point where you are incapable of meeting moral obligations that exist worldwide.” At the time, he was arguing against U.S. aid to Cambodia. But he could just as easily have said the same about his decision this year to end the American presence in Afghanistan, a catastrophic mistake that has led to a Taliban takeover, undermined our national interest, and morally stained Biden’s presidency.

It is the latest blunder in a foreign-policy record filled with them.

In 1975, Biden opposed giving aid to the South Vietnamese government during its war against the North, ensuring the victory of a brutal regime and causing a mass exodus of refugees.
In 1991, Biden opposed the Gulf War, one of the most successful military campaigns in American history. Not only did he later regret his congressional vote, but in 1998, he criticized George H. W. Bush for not deposing Saddam Hussein, calling that decision a “fundamental mistake.”
In 2003, Biden supported the Iraq War—another congressional vote he later regretted.
In 2007, he opposed President George W. Bush’s new counterinsurgency strategy and surge in troops in Iraq, calling it a “tragic mistake.” In fact, the surge led to stunning progress, including dramatic drops in civilian deaths and sectarian violence.
In December 2011, President Barack Obama and Vice President Biden withdrew America’s much-scaled-down troop presence in Iraq; the former had declared Iraq to be “sovereign, stable, and self-reliant,” and the latter had predicted that Iraq “could be one of the great achievements of this administration.” Their decision sent Iraq spiraling into sectarian violence and civil war, allowing Iran to expand its influence and opening the way for the rise of the jihadist group ISIS.
According to Obama’s memoir A Promised Land, Biden had advised the former president to take more time before launching the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
Ten years ago, Biden said in an interview that “the Taliban per se is not our enemy.” He added, “If, in fact, the Taliban is able to collapse the existing government, which is cooperating with us in keeping the bad guys from being able to do damage to us, then that becomes a problem for us.” Indeed.

In his 2014 memoir, Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War, Robert Gates, who served as the secretary of defense under George W. Bush and Obama, said that Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

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Read the whole thing. A brutal beating, onlee... from one of his staunchest media allies!

[Mort Walker]

^^^They are setting up the US president for removal via the 25th amendment, so the leftists-anarchists can take power.

The current US government is a complete disaster for international relations and economics. I think for India, it is better at this time to focus on trade and increase its exports for the US. Continued engagement with the Pentagon, PACCOM, and MiC corporations is also valuable for India. The rest is chai-biskoot until the Vice president takes over.

Covid numbers are increasing in the US, it may be time for the MEA to issue a travel advisory to the US. Many students coming to the US for Fall 2021 studies may be at risk.

[Rudradev]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/1 ... eat-506246

Oo, now look at this convenient little story!

Police brace for lengthy standoff on Capitol Hill amid active bomb threat
Law enforcement is attempting to talk to a man in a pickup truck who says he has explosives, parked outside the Library of Congress.

No chance that this is a stage-managed TV drama to push all that ugly, inconvenient Afghanistan footage off the cable news screens until public memory forgets about the disastrous abandonment of Kabul... right?

Soon to be followed up with loud, lengthy commentaries on how "white supremacist domestic terrorism, not Jihadism, is the REAL threat in America". Peppered with sage asides that any criticism of the Taliban isn't about "terrorism" but sheer Islamophobia, so let's stop being bigots and focus on what matters.

Anyone who's been following US Liberal Media for a while will recognize exactly the kind of story being set up here.