Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

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g.sarkar wrote:https://www.news18.com/news/india/afgha ... 94021.html
All Indian Embassy Staff Evacuated, Crucial Papers Secured as IAF Plane Flies Out of Kabul
August 17, 2021
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So much for the taliban assurances !!.. India is not giving into their double speak

So Russia is still using their consulate, Turkey ? Iran ?...do we have a list of countries still manning their consulates ??.. this will be interesting, that means they have already recognised the taliban!!
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vera_k wrote:MHA announces new category of visa for Afghans
How pragmatic a move is this? There are strong rumours floating around that this current Taliban moves are part of a well coordinated strategy. It is just a tool to allow more radicalised Afghanis to spread to other peaceful countries in the guise of refugees and then once in sizable number come up with their standard Islamist supremacy tactics. India should at least understand this better after seeing the Rohingya menace. The fact that Indian main stream media is 'sympathising' with Afghanis it self makes me agree with the above theory.
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However, now with biometrics being captured, anyone coming in will be virtually ringfenced.
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Multiple reports in rNDTV and others about Bunnies taking away Indian staff baggage et al.
Visa agency part raided by them as well.
??call between Blinken and Jaishankar eased movements of the stuck group,
Furthermore videos of Lal Topi and others calling for Indian Massacre in Kabul and on top of that 15th August entering into Kabul to seize offices!!
Looks like something special was planned for Indians (at least by some probably ISI groups)
Sleepy would have happy probably sacrificed Indians for their safe exit
Government should think about the Visa issues.
???is the new type of visa for Afghans partly to seized VISA by the bunnies??
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I feel its a good move, the Russians and Iranians have been feeling the American heat and all have cooperated with Paki-Chinese Backed Pakiban which has won with Bribes and cash assurances, Knowing the 3 parties - the Chinese, Pakis and Pakiban- they will go back on their promises and in 2 years time the Afgans- Russians- Iranians will be desperate to get rid of the Pakiban- that time we will be trusted unlike the Americans, we will need influence in Afgan society.

This is a temporary setback and long term gain for us, Biden is heavily discredited.
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Any news if all ITBP staff have also arrived- Hope this is also confirmed.
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Whichever grass-eater in the MHA has formulated this policy needs to have his d**k stuffed in his mouth and hanged from a street lamp...otherwise the rest of us risk meeting the same fate once the 'others' from outside join the 'others' who are already inside this country & breeding like rabbits.

What use are these Afghans to us??? Now we also know that these so-called 'Pathans' cant even put up a fight...compare them to the Tibetans who were useful to us as the SFFs in the confrontation against China. These cowards who ran away & left their mothers/motherland to the enemy shouldn't be accommodated in our country. If they are let in, they are... like another poster has hinted...just drones waiting to be commanded by their masters from across the border.
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Thats a knee jerk reaction- we need some influence in 2 years time. We can select who we let in.
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A WSJ Op Ed from Walter Russel Mead. The article is behind a paywall so cant post it in full. A small extract below. The only reference I have seen in any western news publication calling out the root cause for this debacle i.e. Paki perfidy for 20 years and the U.S. turning a blind eye even as the Paki/ISI backed Taliban and assorted insurgents continued to attack and kill American soldiers !

If the U.S. had bought the Paki's to its knees with sanctions and strangle them economically to soon after 9/11 then history would have taken a different course. Post 9/11 the CAR republics with tacit Russian agreement would have provided logistical support to the U.S. in lieu of Pakistan.

Biden’s Chamberlain Moment in Afghanistan

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-cham ... opin_pos_4

As America’s war aims reached ever loftier and less feasible heights, the U.S. military studiously ignored the gaping flaw in its strategy: unrelenting support for the Taliban from our “ally” in Islamabad. As long as the Pakistanis offered the jihadist group sanctuary and support, it could not be destroyed. Worse, after any American departure, the Taliban’s Pakistani backing would give it an insurmountable advantage over the democratic Afghan government.

The U.S. security establishment dithered for 20 years, unwilling to confront Islamabad effectively or to recognize that failure and change its Afghan policy to accommodate its consequences. As it is, Pakistan—a nuclear power with a record of promoting proliferation and deep ties both to China and to the most hate-filled and murderous jihadist groups—has faced down America and achieved its long-term goal of reinstalling a friendly regime to its north. Whether Pakistan will be happy with its radical neighbor in the long term remains to be seen, but for now Pakistani hard-liners are celebrating the greatest single win in their history.
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The Taliban’s protector cheers the group’s Afghanistan takeover

A Reckoning for Pakistan
American strategists will be studying for some time how Afghanistan’s U.S.-trained security forces crumbled so quickly before what appeared to be an inferior Taliban militia. One place they should look for answers is Pakistan, whose leader on Monday cheered the Taliban takeover of its northwestern neighbor.

Afghans “have broken the shackles of slavery,” said Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan, according to Indian media. The offhand celebration of the U.S. retreat from Afghanistan came as Mr. Khan denounced English education in Pakistan as promoting cultural control.

That a U.S. security partner would say this out loud certainly raises eyebrows. But the sentiment should not surprise. As Walter Russell Meadnotes nearby, a key obstacle to American success in Afghanistan was “unrelenting support for the Taliban from our ‘ally’ in Islamabad.” The Taliban safe-haven across Afghanistan’s southern border was crucial to the group’s longevity and eventual military success.

Over the last two decades, the U.S. depended on bases in Pakistan for its war-on-terror operations in Central Asia. Yet Islamabad is playing its own great-power games in the region. Its intelligence services want control over Afghanistan and have seen the Taliban as the best vehicle. They want to frustrate the objectives of their greatest regional rival, India, which would prefer a secular government in Kabul.

The U.S. relationship with Islamist-influenced Pakistan has arguably become a devil’s bargain. Americans caught a glimpse of that a decade ago when they found out Osama Bin Laden was hiding in the country, apparently unmolested. Now Islamabad has played a key role in restoring to power the Taliban that the U.S. sacrificed for two decades to keep from power in Kabul.
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/fo ... hp&pc=U531

Former British commander calls our Pakistan and fears that in the future some Nuclear material might also find its way into the Taliban hands. Russia and China are rejoicing.
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The visa talked about is a visiting visa for 6 months, just worded nicely for PR purpose. It is not a refugee visa. People can only come through regular flights.

The first question on the visa application will be: who is paying for your trip? And the return ticket?

No to mention the fact that the bunnies are not going to all large scale escape of their people out of the country. Once the bunnies take over the airport.. I don't think they will allow anyone out that easily. Specially if we don't recognise the regime.
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Sachin wrote:
vera_k wrote:MHA announces new category of visa for Afghans
How pragmatic a move is this? There are strong rumours floating around that this current Taliban moves are part of a well coordinated strategy. It is just a tool to allow more radicalised Afghanis to spread to other peaceful countries in the guise of refugees and then once in sizable number come up with their standard Islamist supremacy tactics. India should at least understand this better after seeing the Rohingya menace. The fact that Indian main stream media is 'sympathising' with Afghanis it self makes me agree with the above theory.
Ordinary Afghan refugees are not given permission to stay in India, they can happily stay in Pakistan. But India does not abandon its supporters unlike the case of translators for the US forces once their usefulness is over. Dependents and families of pro-India politicians and civilians will be accommodated in India, this has been the trend for decades. I am sure there are checks and balances for those who are given permission to stay in India.
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USAF evacuated 800 persons. Our IAF had less than 200 people. Does it mean that there everybody has been evacuated? Or we are levacuated lot of of personal baggage? Dry fruits and Godrej almirah.
Mind you both used the same type of plane.
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rsingh wrote:USAF evacuated 800 persons. Our IAF had less than 200 people. Does it mean that there everybody has been evacuated? Or we are levacuated lot of of personal baggage? Dry fruits and Godrej almirah.
Mind you both used the same type of plane.
We have had regular AI flights and multiple C-17 missions.
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The Afghans we were with in February, were all executed outside their homes in Kandahar on Thursday.

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Guest on msnbc just said the taliban have “our biometric database” of everyone who worked for US and are using it at checkpoints. When / how did that happen? Was that a massive story at the time or wtf? They used AF as a testing ground for biometrics and this is how it ends up?

“An Afghani interpreter I have come to know well over the years was hung in the streets last night. They melted his DoD ID into his chest. Cut off his arms. And killed his family.

His 10 year old daughter was spared and handed off to leadership.”


"2. He's now forwarded me a text message from an Afghan friend. He asked that I tweet it.

"Terrorists are going door to door and killing pilots and SOFs, raping their families, and taking their houses. Two of my friends were shot dead. In Kabul."

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source : https://espionage.substack.com/p/omnish ... ource=copy
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mody wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/fo ... hp&pc=U531

Former British commander calls our Pakistan and fears that in the future some Nuclear material might also find its way into the Taliban hands. Russia and China are rejoicing.
Brig. Gen. (res.) Yossi Kuperwasser, an Israeli intelligence and security expert who has in the past served as the head of the research division in the Israel Defense Forces Military Intelligence Division, and was Director General of the Israel Ministry of Strategic Affairs, argued on similar lines, stressing that American allies in the Middle East, including Israel, would find it difficult to rely on Washington’s assurances and the important lesson for them would be to focus on building their own capability to counter threats.

All portends to the end of a superpower. .. and a dangerous power vacuum.
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Terrifying footage shared on social media claims to be showing a PERSON FALLING from the plane as it takes off from Kabul airport - posts on social media claim someone was clinging to the tires or was FORCED OUT from the airplane.

It is not immediately clear if it is indeed a human falling from the aircraft though. It also appears there are two objects falling.

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Biden 'truly owns' Taliban victory in Afghanistan: Gen. Keane
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Assessment of Security Situation post Kabul takeover


TSPA priority
- TSPA support Taleban priority firstly will be to consolidate, secure and prevent any forces that can launch a counter coup. Apparently Kabul is not completely secure and the Taleban are still continuing operations.
- Negotiations are taking place between Taleban and forces that are capable of resisting thus the general amnesty for former Afghan govt officials (to complete the coup which means the Taleban/TSPA are still worried about resistance forces)
- The other issues is that TSPA know that there are a lot of groups that are not under direct C2 of TSPA - these will need to be dealt with as well eventually

- Consensus for major powers is that as long as Taleban is truly 'inclusive' then pressure will be taken off Taleban - I believe funds of the Afghan govt have been frozen or about to be frozen
- ISI backed troops such as LeT and JeM are playing a significant role. They have two roles - keep control of Taleban gangs going lose/off the chain and prevent forces that can launch a counter coup.

GOI moves
- First priority is securing all Indian nationals, diplomats and other interests of the Sikh/Hindu community. Majority of the work was completed in 48 hours from the green light given by GOI leaders.
- The next will be to re-establish connections with key players (some of whom are in Delhi) and others in central asian states.
- GOI have a choice. Either support those ready to launch a counter coup and make the point that Taleban hold is weak/vulnerable or move to a long term strategy which is to be recon/surveillance/intel focused.

With only around 9% of indian population vaccinated GOI's primary focus is to get this fixed.

Expectation is that we'll be back to stadium murders soon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Q3ib7e4p8
India military flight evacuates citizens from Afghanistan, Aug 17, 2021
I see them carrying luggage, but not excessively, as suggested by a poster.
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Manas wrote:A WSJ Op Ed from Walter Russel Mead.
here's the full article
As America’s war aims reached ever loftier and less feasible heights, the U.S. military studiously ignored the gaping flaw in its strategy: unrelenting support for the Taliban from our “ally” in Islamabad. As long as the Pakistanis offered the jihadist group sanctuary and support, it could not be destroyed. Worse, after any American departure, the Taliban’s Pakistani backing would give it an insurmountable advantage over the democratic Afghan government.

The U.S. security establishment dithered for 20 years, unwilling to confront Islamabad effectively or to recognize that failure and change its Afghan policy to accommodate its consequences. As it is, Pakistan—a nuclear power with a record of promoting proliferation and deep ties both to China and to the most hate-filled and murderous jihadist groups—has faced down America and achieved its long-term goal of reinstalling a friendly regime to its north. Whether Pakistan will be happy with its radical neighbor in the long term remains to be seen, but for now Pakistani hard-liners are celebrating the greatest single win in their history.
You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.” Winston Churchill’s words to Neville Chamberlain following the Munich agreement echo grimly across Washington this week as the Biden administration reckons with the consequences of the worst-handled foreign-policy crisis since the Bay of Pigs and the most devastating blow to American prestige since the fall of Saigon.

Joe Biden believed three things about Afghanistan. First, that he could stage a dignified and orderly withdrawal from America’s longest war. Second, that a Taliban win in Afghanistan would not seriously affect U.S. power and prestige world-wide. Third, that Americans were eager enough to put the Afghan war behind them that voters wouldn’t punish him even if the withdrawal went pear-shaped. He was utterly and unspinnably wrong about the first. One fears he was equally wrong about the second. We shall see about the third, and his Monday afternoon speech staunchly defending the pullout indicates that he believes he can carry the country with him.

The bipartisan scuttle caucus of which President Biden is a founding member—and former President Trump an eager recruit—argued that withdrawal would enhance rather than undermine American credibility. Ending a war in a remote country of little intrinsic interest to the U.S. does not, one can argue, make America look weak. If anything, the two-decade U.S. intervention testifies to an American doggedness that should reassure our allies about our will. At the same time, cutting our losses after 20 years of failing to build a solid government and military in Afghanistan demonstrates a realism and wisdom that should reassure allies about Washington’s judgment.

Defenders of the withdrawal argue this is one way that America can reduce its footprint in peripheral theaters to focus on the principal threat in coastal East Asia. Why should the U.S. government pay the heavy price—in military resources and in the political costs at home of defending an endless engagement in a remote part of the world—required to contain the Taliban? Isn’t the jihadist group a more direct threat to both Russia and China than to America? Why are U.S. soldiers fighting and dying so that Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping have one less headache to worry about?


A well-executed withdrawal that visibly served a coherent national strategy might have accomplished what Messrs. Trump and Biden hoped. But that is not what we have, and the Biden administration is facing a major test of credibility. The president’s tragically misguided press-conference remarks of July 8, in which he doubled down on naively optimistic predictions that would have embarrassed Baghdad Bob, cast a shadow over the president’s judgment that will not be easily or quickly dispelled.

The Taliban’s sweeping military victory should not have surprised Mr. Biden. The core of the argument for withdrawal, an argument he has embraced for more than a decade, is that the Afghan government and military are so irredeemably weak and corrupt that it is pointless for America to support them. To expect that such a government and such an army would cohere long enough to provide its vanishing betrayers a dignified retreat is magical thinking of the silliest kind.

The fall of Kabul has been heard around the world. In Europe, where allies had no say in either the substance or the timing of the president’s decision this looks like yet another instance of the incoherent U.S. unilateralism that marked President Obama’s reversal of his Syrian red line and much of Mr. Trump’s policy. It is not just that America’s scuttle threatens to produce a massive refugee crisis in Europe. After 9/11 our allies invoked Article 5 of the NATO mutual defense treaty to come to the aid of the U.S. They deserved some real input into the decision and the planning of any end to the war and are right to resent the arrogant incompetence that presented them with a disastrous fait accompli. In the future, Mr. Biden must expect even less European deference and respect than he has so far received.

China, Russia and Iran surely interpret this shambolic performance as a sign of exploitable weakness and poor judgment. From the peaks of Pakistan to the sands of the Sahel, fanatical jihadists discouraged by the failure of ISIS sense a fresh and favorable turn of events with the arrival of their greatest victory since 9/11. Recruitment will prosper and resources will flow—fed by the sophisticated weapons and tech we left in the field. The president may be finished with Afghanistan, but Afghanistan may not be finished with him.


A multitude of cooks collaborated to spoil this broth. The George W. Bush administration invaded Afghanistan with no clear idea of what to do next. Through the Bush and Obama years, American war aims inexorably and witlessly widened as Congress and private advocacy groups got into the act. Afghanistan was going to be a modern democratic country. Its women would have equal rights. Religious freedom would be guaranteed by a U.S.-inspired constitution. Pride flags floated in the Afghan skies. Kabul University opened a master’s degree program in gender studies.

As America’s war aims reached ever loftier and less feasible heights, the U.S. military studiously ignored the gaping flaw in its strategy: unrelenting support for the Taliban from our “ally” in Islamabad. As long as the Pakistanis offered the jihadist group sanctuary and support, it could not be destroyed. Worse, after any American departure, the Taliban’s Pakistani backing would give it an insurmountable advantage over the democratic Afghan government.

The U.S. security establishment dithered for 20 years, unwilling to confront Islamabad effectively or to recognize that failure and change its Afghan policy to accommodate its consequences. As it is, Pakistan—a nuclear power with a record of promoting proliferation and deep ties both to China and to the most hate-filled and murderous jihadist groups—has faced down America and achieved its long-term goal of reinstalling a friendly regime to its north. Whether Pakistan will be happy with its radical neighbor in the long term remains to be seen, but for now Pakistani hard-liners are celebrating the greatest single win in their history.

Nothing is more vain than the hope that somehow this debacle will help the U.S. in the Indo-Pacific. For more than 70 years India, whose massive population and economy make it a linchpin of any American strategy in Asia, has seen the world through the lens of its competition with Pakistan. Now, as Islamabad cements its ties with Beijing, the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan hands Pakistan a strategic victory and strengthens the most radical anti-Indian and anti-Western forces in its government. Few in New Delhi will perceive this catastrophe as a sign of Washington’s competence or reliability. If a third-tier country like Pakistan can tie the U.S. in knots, Indians will ask: What chance does Washington have against China?

Perhaps the biggest winner in this dismal week was former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who wrote in his 2014 memoir that then Vice President Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” Those lines may not have the Churchillian flair, but they are unlikely to be forgotten now. We must all hope that Mr. Biden can claw his way out of this hole into which he so heedlessly and unnecessarily leapt.
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With Russia & China recognizing the regime, US will follow suit in a while to prevent loosing out. India will be forced to as well, to prevent full fledged Pak influence.

Pak seems to have forced T to behave themselves when the media is still around. US will probably start paying T to keep "visible" behavior and do their dirty work out of media glare. The booty will be shared by Pak.

All the world's yahoo would come down to Afghanistan. The question remains how much leverage Pak has left with US. The big boys in the US admin are still reluctant to name & shame Pak. US has direct line to T, so that will reduce the leverage to a major extent.

So when the next set of tomahawks start flying, the question is will US need to inform Pak or not.

From our perspective, it is time we invest heavily in to stealth long range cruise missile. Pretty sure we will require to fly it through Indian territory (under Pak occupation) towards JEM & LET camps in Afghanistan.
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Can speakers of Malayalam confirm Shampoo Boy's tweet about 2 telebunnies speaking in Malayalam? Video embedded in the tweet:

https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/statu ... 0658029571
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abhishekm wrote:Can speakers of Malayalam confirm Shampoo Boy's tweet about 2 telebunnies speaking in Malayalam? Video embedded in the tweet:

https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/statu ... 0658029571
seems like a mix of hindi, urdu, pashtun and malayalam !!
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Videos circulating on WhatsApp showing talibans wearing pashtun hats, crowing that they have defeated amreekis, claiming kashmir is theirs and declaring jihad. That didn't take too long.
We are ready with white cloths, bring it on!
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This might seem like prime dhoti shivering time but if we adopt the long view I don't visualize the Taliban having a free run for years on end:

- Amrullah Saleh has retreated to the Panjshir Valley and joined forces with Ahmed Shah Masoud's son. These two plus the terrain of PV can sustain a resistance for a while.
- Atta Noor and supporters are unlikely to switch sides and Mazar will always remain a hotbed of anti-telebunnies activity
- There will be an undercurrent of resentment in urban areas especially Kabul
- mark my words, the Shia Hazaras will be subject to a gradual escalation of atrocities and they won't take it lying down
- The Kandahar police chief Achakzai (brother of the famously anti-telebunny governor who was assassinated in 2018) has been evacuated to Delhi and will be crucial to any future Pashtun resistance: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 382243.cms

The country will end up like a mini Balochistan, always one bomb blast away from instability, so all this talk of Chinese and other international investors pouring in zillions of dollars to create infrastructure and having a free run extracting "mineral wealth" is hogwash.
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rsingh wrote:USAF evacuated 800 persons. Our IAF had less than 200 people. Does it mean that there everybody has been evacuated? Or we are levacuated lot of of personal baggage? Dry fruits and Godrej almirah.
Mind you both used the same type of plane.
The Indian govt is not disclosing evacuation plans or timelines because of security issues.

One single ameriki C-17, per reports, evacuated 800 pax in one trip.

Don't know if this has been done again or it was just an isolated example due to exigencies prevailing at that particular time.

The Indians are not popular in afghanistan except in specific circles which have/are profitting from their presense and infrastructure building activities.

Not evacuating Indian citizens in time is entirely on us.
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TSP saying they won’t recognize Taleban unless they build an inclusive Govt.

Another thing I wanted to add to my post is GOI will start providing evidence of TSPA support to taleban.

Amrullah Saleh is now president of Afghanistan given Ashraf Ghani has left
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sanjaykumar wrote:I am looking for commentary from Arundhati Roy, Shabana Azmi, A G Noorani, Rana Ayoub, Saif Ali Khan. They have a perfect opportunity to spite India by moving to Afghanistan.
Why would they move to Afghanistan (or even pakhanistan) when they can bring Afghanistan and pakhanistan to India?
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This taliban v2.0 is very PR savvy, their new abbus Qatar, Turkey, China and Rooskie have done a good job of cleaning these yahoos up. Earlier today a bunny was in TOLO news studio giving interview to a uncovered face news host mohotarma.

Its a little worrying that we struggled to evacuate our staff on time. Afghanistan is our backyard and we should have had better intelligence than the Brits or the yanks to be caught with our pants down. So far there isnt much news about Afghanis being evacuated by IAF/IA planes, it is all ITBP and our remaining consulate staff and few members of the islamo-commie media who went there to cover taliban's glorious victory.

Again, for the wealthy and the upper middle class Afghanis India is not the no.1 destination, they are more keen on getting a seat aboard a aircraft from a western country. Mark my words, the most liberal western countries with very lax immigration system and bleeding heart leftists are in for a turbulent future Ex : Sweden for ex : is estimated to have over 600k Syrians and Iraqis , add illegal Pakis, Bangladeshis, Somalians, Libyans and now Afghanis they are look at very interesting times ahead. Flying out millions of military age Abduls from Afghanistan is not the same as flying out families from Vietnam after the fall of Saigon. An average Vietnamese family just wanted to work hard and build a future for themselves, an average Abdul wants nothing else but shariah.
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vimal wrote:When is Aamir Khan, Javed Akhtar, Saif Ali Khan etc going to Afghanistan? They should live there without fear.
They already are. It’s called Bollywood.
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vera_k wrote:However, now with biometrics being captured, anyone coming in will be virtually ringfenced.
And neutered?
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Cyrano wrote:Videos circulating on WhatsApp showing talibans wearing pashtun hats, crowing that they have defeated amreekis, claiming kashmir is theirs and declaring jihad. That didn't take too long.
We are ready with white cloths, bring it on!
They tried the same tactics in the 90s under Gen Mirza Aslam Beg. Pakis have a very short memory
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The entrapment of foreigners at the one operational airport in afghanistan has been planned in advance and executed very well.

It reeks of ISI planning as well as paki army operational control.

They want the "evacuation" to be an extractive process so that money flows into their coffers. That has always been the objective of the lightning fast encirclement as well as the herding of the prey into the paki controlled corral.

Money will be very tight for both the pakis and the afghans after this fiasco finally fizzles out and that may well continue in the medium to long term

After seven decades of personally experiencing the repeated paki perfidy, how did the amerikis fall for this age old ploy of believing the paki controlled taliban once again. why is it that, time and time again, decision makers of different non-i$!@mic countries can't see/fail to see the i$!@mic skullduggery so obvious even to the untrained eyes of common observers

or did the biden administration simply ram through the abrupt withdrawal despite objections from saner heads.

The US was literally run out of town after 20 years, $1-2 trillion and 2,448 service personnel lives lost, not to mention private military contractors and afghan support staff.

This is not how a sooper power behaves.

Biden will never live this down and neither will the democrats.

hillary had her benghazi moment and now biden has just topped her.
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Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

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anupmisra wrote:
vera_k wrote:However, now with biometrics being captured, anyone coming in will be virtually ringfenced.
And neutered?
they will soon intermingle and many will marry Indian citizens.
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nam wrote:The visa talked about is a visiting visa for 6 months, just worded nicely for PR purpose. It is not a refugee visa. People can only come through regular flights.
I agree. This is a back door opportunity to enable CAA and allow Hindu and Sikh afghans to safely, expeditiously and legally enter India. It may also permit select senior moderate Pro-India Afghan leaders who could form an Afghan government in exile in Delhi and represent a democratic alternative.

A huge bargaining chip.

My personal belief is that the tellybunnies, just like other peacefulls, will begin to clobber each other out soon after the dust settles. It’s in their nature.

The movie ain’t over yet.
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Ambar wrote: An average Vietnamese family just wanted to work hard and build a future for themselves, an average Abdul wants nothing else but shariah.
sharia, free housing, and timely welfare cheques available where ever they go so that they can live their dream lives in no go ghettoes
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vid ... 397861.cms

Yes, the ITBP troops are back with us.
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