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How Mexico Helped The Times Get Its Journalists Out of Afghanistan
By Ben Smith
Aug. 25, 2021
Updated 9:17 a.m. ET
Leer en español
A group of Afghans who worked for The New York Times, along with their families, touched down safely early Wednesday — not in New York or Washington, but at Benito Juárez International Airport in Mexico City.

The arrival of the 24 families was the latest stop in a harrowing escape from Kabul. And Mexico’s role in the rescue of journalists from The Times and, if all goes as planned, The Wall Street Journal offers a disorienting glimpse of the state of the American government as two of the country’s most powerful news organizations frantically sought help far from Washington.
Mexican officials, unlike their counterparts in the United States, were able to cut through the red tape of their immigration system to quickly provide documents that, in turn, allowed the Afghans to fly from Kabul’s embattled airport to Doha, Qatar. The documents promised that the Afghans would receive temporary humanitarian protection in Mexico while they explored further options in the United States or elsewhere.
This is the help that the NYT had asked GOI for as was reported a few days ago. It was for the Afghan staff of the NYT and WSJ not for US citizens who worked for these news outlets. And would the NYT now owe one to Mexico? You bet it will and will result in more favorable coverage for Mexico from the NYT as well as the Wall Street Journal, protestations of journalistic integrity notwithstanding!!
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^ Say GOI had listened to the requests from NYT etc and evacuated their people. What were we expecting in that scenario? A front page op-ed about how Hindus have been massacred throughout millenia and how amreeki press looked the other way? Or how BJP/Namo aren't the Nazis everyone thinks they are? Because only something like that would've been worth it.

Likely it was going to be a one-time article of how "South Asian country rescues people from Afghanistan" or "Modi Regime airlifts Afghan journalists in a clever PR move" or "AAP gov hosts rescued Afghan journalists despite Modi's reluctance to save Muslims" or "Rescued Journalists fear for their life in Modi's Hindu Nationalist India and it's eroding democracy" etc. Come to think of it, maybe I should apply for a job at NYT :mrgreen:

Just have to realize that they're not suddenly going to change their tune just because we saved a couple families. If a Catholic and a US ally Mexico saved some Times or NYT staff, then may Jesus bless their pure hearts. Now maybe NYT/The Times could convince the creepy hairsniffer to lower the border wall a couple of inches.
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^^ A better strategy IMO rather than rona dhona.
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Read a report on the reason for failure for ANA. As expected it was logistics & lack of airpower. Not due to lack of will. USAF was flying around the battle zone, without providing any support. Support contractors were asked to move out and availability dropped considerably.

US won't allow Russian kit for ANA. We had the perfect package. HTT50, Sitara, with LGB kit & easy spare parts support from us. Probably funding for the fleet as well. US would have been okay as well.

But then as always, we are late to the party. Our kit stuck in the constant testing and waiting cycle.
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RajeshA wrote:Excellent Analysis!

Corroborates my earlier theory.

Absolutely fabulous aforementioned find. I was waiting for the full interview and here is the link to the full 54 minute interview of Lara Logan -
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RajeshA wrote:To take on Cheen, US has two strategies: Offensive & Defensive. Quad is the defensive strategy.

In Asia, offensive is always Islam. Only Islam will take on other powers. Problem is that due to American presence in Afghanistan, Cheen has been able to make a lot of headway among the Islamic countries. America was standing in the way between a clash between Islam and Cheen. By US exiting from Afghanistan, USA has taken itself out of the equation. So, the lightning of Jihad will now fall elsewhere - either Russia, China, Shia Iran or India. India is probably the likely direction of Ghazwa, but it may be possible to direct it to Cheen also.

The Taliban has been provided with weapons and cash, media access and soon with diplomatic recognition too. Why else would Tittar cut off the official handles of Amar.ullah Sa.leh? Now Charlie Wilson's Next War starts again!

Probably US considered the ensuing chaos in Afghanistan as necessary cost and a good counter foil for arming the Taliban.

India could become collateral damage! We need to be careful.
This makes perfect sense now. Totally Chankian move by Amir Khan to trap the lizard (and to some extent bear).
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https://www.spiegel.de/international/wo ... ok#ref=rss
A Paradox for the Taliban Resistance in Afghanistan Appears to Be Growing
After almost two decades as a guerilla movement, the Taliban have completely underestimated what it means to run a state. It will be extremely difficult for them to keep Afghanistan under control.
Christoph Reuter, 25.08.2021

At first, it was just the Panjshir Valley – that legendarily inaccessible, lengthy mountain valley northeast of Kabul – which stood out like a solitary blotch on the map of Afghanistan in recent days. Only here did residents not initially succumb to the advance of the Taliban, who even managed to take over the capital city of Kabul a little over a week ago. The people of the valley let it be known that they would not be giving up.
But for the last few days, more and more reports have been emerging – confirmed by eyewitnesses on the ground – that resistance against the Taliban has suddenly sprung up elsewhere as well. Units of the Afghan army, which has officially given up, have reportedly made their way to Panjshir from Kandahar in the south and from the Uzbek areas of the country in the north. On the southern edge of the Panjshir Valley, anti-Taliban forces apparently met little resistance when they took over the important road up to the Salang Tunnel, the only major north-south arterial.
Then, on Sunday, Taliban leadership in Kabul announced via Twitter that it had sent "hundreds" of fighters to "the state of Panjshir after local state officials refused to hand it over peacefully." The rather mild wording indicates that the Taliban would prefer to avoid open conflict.
Delusional Propaganda?
It doesn't really seem to make sense: First, the Afghan army – trained and equipped by the United States for 20 years – surrenders city after city, with Kabul finally falling to the Taliban without a fight. A day later, the Islamists posed as boisterous victors in the Presidential Palace and held press conferences where they presented themselves as a moderate, statesman-like power.
And now, after all that, the final remnants of the old state want to take up the fight against the Taliban? It sounds like nothing more than delusional propaganda from the last remaining Taliban opponents.
But the suddenly emerging resistance has been confirmed by an increasing number of witnesses in numerous provinces. And it also isn’t as delusional as it might first seem – for two main reasons. First, these last few days of extremely rapid change have instilled deep fear in countless numbers of people. At the same time, though, the collapse of the state has oddly had something of a liberating effect. The government of President Ashraf Ghani was so discredited, disliked and even hated across the country that many places had felt and sounded almost paralyzed in recent months. The Americans were occupiers, the government was corrupt – what was there to fight for? What there was to fight against no longer seemed important.
Now the Taliban Is the State
Now, suddenly, it is. After 20 years of torpor, the political fault lines are currently shifting with unimaginable speed.
The second reason is even more important. Despite all of their detailed preparations to take power, the Taliban have underestimated what it actually means to switch sides in an asymmetric war. Now, they are the state. Now, they have to control every city and every province, now they must provide the personnel for every police station and every checkpoint. And they simply don’t have enough people to do so, despite estimates that the Taliban include around 30,000 to 40,000 fighters.
Perhaps there are more of them now, but the personnel shortage has been confirmed both by sources within the Taliban movement and by independent observers in Kabul and other provinces. "I spent three hours driving from police station to police station,” said a former European soldier last Thursday who was still in Kabul and trying to find Taliban fighters to help escort foreigners through the chaos at the completely besieged airport. "But in none of the stations, which used to be manned by dozens of officers, did I see more than three or four men.”
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Turkey Leaves Afghanistan, Declaring ‘Success’ at Securing Kabul Airport
The Turkish National Defense Ministry said on Wednesday it has begun withdrawing its forces from Afghanistan, where they have been stationed since 2002 under authorization from the United Nations and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

“Turkish Armed Forces are returning to our homeland with the pride of successfully fulfilling the task entrusted to them,” the Defense Ministry said. Among other tasks, the Turkish military was in charge of security at Kabul’s international airport.

The Kabul airport remains a chaotic and deadly disaster area, with terrified Afghans walking through sewage to evade whip-wielding Taliban patrols and evacuation flights leaving mostly empty because the gates are blocked by armed militants, so it sounds a little odd for the Turkish government to proudly boast of a job well done. The Turkish Defense Ministry said the military evacuation began after “evaluating the current situation and conditions” in Afghanistan. It stated that the military had evacuated 1,129 Turkish civilians by the time withdrawal began.

In July, Turkey offered to take responsibility for security at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul after other NATO forces withdrew. About 500 Turkish troops were stationed in Afghanistan at the time.

Turkey argued that, as NATO’s only Muslim-majority nation and the only one to maintain cordial diplomatic relations with the Taliban, it would be well suited to provide airport security for what was then envisioned as a hybrid government, rather than an outright Taliban conquest of the entire country.

The Taliban firmly stated that it expected Turkey to withdraw its forces along with the rest of NATO. Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid repeated that demand on Tuesday.
Well ! So much for dreams of ummah superpower and resurrection of ottomon empire ! Forget about a permanent military presence in Afghanistan, Turkey couldn't even last 3 months holding on to the kabul airport !
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Gautam, We should study the equipment and training given to ANA for it might explain lot of gaps as to why it yielded so quickly.
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Shaashtanga wrote:
RajeshA wrote:To take on Cheen, US has two strategies: Offensive & Defensive. Quad is the defensive strategy.

In Asia, offensive is always Islam. Only Islam will take on other powers. Problem is that due to American presence in Afghanistan, Cheen has been able to make a lot of headway among the Islamic countries. America was standing in the way between a clash between Islam and Cheen. By US exiting from Afghanistan, USA has taken itself out of the equation. So, the lightning of Jihad will now fall elsewhere - either Russia, China, Shia Iran or India. India is probably the likely direction of Ghazwa, but it may be possible to direct it to Cheen also.

The Taliban has been provided with weapons and cash, media access and soon with diplomatic recognition too. Why else would Tittar cut off the official handles of Amar.ullah Sa.leh? Now Charlie Wilson's Next War starts again!

Probably US considered the ensuing chaos in Afghanistan as necessary cost and a good counter foil for arming the Taliban.

India could become collateral damage! We need to be careful.
This makes perfect sense now. Totally Chankian move by Amir Khan to trap the lizard (and to some extent bear).
Taliban was the first to make-up with China! How to explain that?
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And Iran is supporting Taliban now after China made up with them.
Iran has abandoned the Shia Hazaras.
Sunni Saudi Arabia is supporting Shias in Northern Alliance.
Central Asian republics are pressuring Putin that great game is not dead.
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And as for the clash of Islam and China, it happened in late 600s and ended with defeat for Islam and they never tried again.
Xinjiang is old Xhongniu periphery. And they had a two century war with Han dynasty.
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That Lara Logan interview is awesome. Hard hitting with truth. Thanks for posting.
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ramana wrote:Gautam, We should study the equipment and training given to ANA for it might explain lot of gaps as to why it yielded so quickly.
You might find this interview interesting. If you can get through the self-promotion for the senate seat.



Basically everyone was deceiving every one else.

Surprising part is no body in the professional military machine called out the level of deception. Or even passed correct information up the chain of command.

Which in turn meant that the Afghan army was totally untrained and unmotivated to put up a fight.

Add to the monstrous level of corruption the answer presents itself.

Taliban motivation is a different issue altogether.
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nam wrote:Read a report on the reason for failure for ANA. As expected it was logistics & lack of airpower.
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Not due to lack of will..
Strongly disagree with section in bold. The will and the competence to fight was never there. The logistics issue was a manifestation of the general incompetence of the ANA. Add to that the general dishonesty with which the American's executed the task.

If the entire nation is addicted to the bribes from the US. Not many people will put in the efforts to build capacity independent of US. That's exactly what happened.

The reasons for this are elaborated in the you tube link I have posted as a response to Ramana just before this reply.

In this circumstance I now have a much greater appreciation of the efforts put in by the Indian government over the years. The work done will endure. Regardless of which government is in power. Because I am quite sure that India's contribution did not feed into the corruption of the state.
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while there is plenty of information on US Taliban negotiation, it beggars belief why would US do that when there was an Afghan govt in place?
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SSridhar wrote:That Lara Logan interview is awesome. Hard hitting with truth. Thanks for posting.
Fox News is not munching words. I used to ignore it. But here they are baap of NDTV. just pleasant to watch how they are removing cloths of the emperor. Inch by inch. Any chance of impeachment of old man?
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Twitterati reporting taliban have stopped 140 hindus and sikhs from leaving Afghanistan. I don't exactly have much sympathy to spare for these folks considering IAF delayed its planes twice trying to evacuate them . Instead of taking the first available flight to India, the sikh and hindus stuck in Afghanistan were trying to get to Canada or the US instead . It now looks like they are caught between a rock and a hard place.
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Any possibility that sleepy Joe is the real "Manchurian candidate", which would explain all actions very well...

OTOH, US is quite capable of using some convoluted logic to appease the muzzies thinking it will lead to world domination...
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/worl ... d=tw-share The Real Winner of the Afghan War? It’s Not Who You Think.
Pakistan, nominally a U.S. partner in the war, was the Afghan Taliban’s main patron, and sees the Taliban’s victory as its own. But now what does it do with its prize?
Just days after the Taliban took Kabul, their flag was flying high above a central mosque in Pakistan’s capital. It was an in-your-face gesture intended to spite the defeated Americans. But it was also a sign of the real victors in the 20-year Afghan war.

Pakistan was ostensibly America’s partner in the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Its military won tens of billions of dollars in American aid over the last two decades, even as Washington acknowledged that much of the money disappeared into unaccounted sinkholes.

But it was a relationship riven by duplicity and divided interests from its very start after 9/11. Not least, the Afghan Taliban the Americans were fighting are, in large part, a creation of Pakistan’s intelligence service, the I.S.I., which through the course of the war nurtured and protected Taliban assets inside Pakistan.

In the last three months as the Taliban swept across Afghanistan, the Pakistani military waved a surge of new fighters across the border from sanctuaries inside Pakistan, tribal leaders have said. It was a final coup de grace to the American-trained Afghan security forces.


“The Pakistanis and the I.S.I. think they have won in Afghanistan,” said Robert L. Grenier, a former C.I.A. station chief in Pakistan. But, he warned, the Pakistanis should watch what they wish for. “If the Afghan Taliban become leaders of a pariah state, which is likely, Pakistan will find itself tethered to them.”

Pakistan’s already shaky reputation in the West is likely to plummet now, as the Taliban take over Afghanistan. Calls to sanction Pakistan have already circulated on social media. Absent foreign financing, Pakistan faces reliance on a jihadist drug trade encouraged by the new rulers in Kabul. A Taliban-run state on its border will no doubt embolden Taliban and other Islamist militants in Pakistan itself.
Not least, relations with the United States, already on the downslope, will unravel further. Aside from maintaining the stability of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, the Americans now have less incentive to deal with Pakistan.

So the question for the Pakistanis is what will they do with the broken country that is their prize? Already Pakistan, along with Russia and China, is helping fill the space the Americans have vacated. The embassies of the three nations have remained open since the Taliban seized Kabul.

A Pakistani protégé, Khalil Haqqani, a Taliban leader who was a regular visitor to Pakistan’s military headquarters in Rawalpindi, is one of the new rulers of Afghanistan.

Known to American intelligence as the Taliban emissary to Al Qaeda, Mr. Haqqani showed up in Kabul last week as their new chief of security, brazenly armed with an American-made M4 rifle, with a protection squad dressed in American combat gear.

“Governing a war-ravaged country will be the real test and imposing challenge especially as the Taliban have been a warring force, not one adept at governing,” Maleeha Lohdi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the United Nations, wrote in a column in The Dawn newspaper this week.

During the war the Americans tolerated Pakistan’s duplicitous game because they saw little choice, preferring to fight a chaotic war in Afghanistan to warring with nuclear-armed Pakistan. Moreover, Pakistan’s ports and airfields provided the main entry points and supply lines for American military equipment needed in Afghanistan.

Pakistan did that, even as its spy agency provided planning assistance, training expertise and sometimes on the ground advice to the Taliban all through the war, American officials said.

Though Pakistan was supposed to be an American ally, it always worked toward its own interests, as nations do. Those interests did not include a large American military presence on its border, an autonomous Afghanistan with a democratic government it could not control, or a strong and centralized military.

Rather, Pakistan’s goal in Afghanistan was to create a sphere of influence to block its archnemesis, India. The Pakistanis insist that India uses separatist groups like the Balochistan Liberation Army, operating from havens in Afghanistan, to stir dissent in Pakistan.

“The Pakistani army believes Afghanistan provides strategic depth against India, which is their obsession,” said Bruce Riedel, a former South Asia adviser to the Bush and Obama administrations. “The U.S. encouraged India to support the American-backed Afghan government after 2001, fueling the army’s paranoia.”

U.S. evacuations slow, but Pentagon vows they will continue until Aug. 31.
During a visit to Washington this spring, Moeed Yusuf, the national security adviser to Pakistan’s prime minister, Imran Khan, stressed the need to eliminate the Indian presence in Afghanistan, Americans who met him said.

Mr. Yusuf is considered a moderate on the Pakistani political spectrum, and the Americans said they were struck by his vehemence on India’s role in Afghanistan.

When Indian diplomats were among the first foreigners to evacuate from Kabul, their departure was played in the Pakistani press as a singular victory.

The nexus between the Pakistanis and the victorious Mr. Haqqani was indisputable and indispensable to the Taliban victory, said Douglas London, a former C.I.A. counterterrorism chief for South and Southwest Asia.

The head of the Pakistani army, Qamar Javed Bajwa, and the head of the I.S.I., Hameed Faiz, met with Mr. Haqqani on a “recurring basis,” Mr. London said. The extended Haqqani family has long been known to live in the largely ungoverned areas of Pakistan along the Afghan border.

“All the time Bajwa was pressed by the U.S. to give up Khalil Haqqani and two other Haqqani leaders, and all the time, Bajwa would say, ‘Tell us where they are,’” said Mr. London, who has written an upcoming memoir of his C.I.A. years, “The Recruiter.” “My favorite quote was when Bajwa said: ‘You just have to come to my office and we will go in a helicopter and we will go and pick them up.’”

Pakistan’s help, he said, encompassed a gamut of services. Safe havens in the borderlands of Pakistan, particularly in the city of Quetta, sheltered Afghan Taliban fighters and their families. Medical services treated wounded fighters, sometimes in hospitals in the major cities, Karachi and Peshawar. Free rein for the Haqqanis to run lucrative real estate, smuggling and other businesses in Pakistan kept their war machine churning.

What happens to the women of Afghanistan? The last time the Taliban were in power, they barred women and girls from taking most jobs or going to school. Afghan women have made many gains since the Taliban were toppled, but now they fear that ground may be lost. Taliban officials are trying to reassure women that things will be different, but there are signs that, at least in some areas, they have begun to reimpose the old order.

What does their victory mean for terrorist groups? The United States invaded Afghanistan 20 years ago in response to terrorism, and many worry that Al Qaeda and other radical groups will again find safe haven there.

The I.S.I. usually kept its operatives out of the actual conflict, fearful that they might be captured in Afghanistan, delivering a smoking gun to the Americans, Mr. London said.

The I.S.I. also provided the Taliban with assets that elevated their international status. The Taliban leader Abdul Ghani Baradar traveled on a Pakistani passport to attend peace talks in Doha, Qatar, and to meet in Tianjin, China, with Wang Yi, the foreign minister.

“The Afghan Taliban would not be where they are without the assistance of the Pakistanis,” Mr. London said.

Washington’s relationship with Pakistan cooled after Navy SEALS killed Osama bin Laden in 2011 at a safe house located near a Pakistani military academy. Top American officials stopped visiting Pakistan and assistance was reduced.

But the Obama administration never said publicly what it suspected: that the Pakistani military knew all along that bin Laden was living with his extended family in Abbottabad, one of Pakistan’s best-known garrison towns.

If Washington had declared that Pakistan was harboring bin Laden, then Pakistan would have legally been a state sponsor of terrorism, and subject to mandatory sanctions like Iran, said Mr. Riedel, the former South Asia adviser to the Bush and Obama administrations.

That would have forced the Americans to end its support for Pakistan and that in turn, would have led Pakistan to stop American war supplies from transiting Pakistan, increasing the cost of the war.

The bin Laden raid played into longstanding fears within the Pakistani military that the Americans wanted to dismantle Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, and would violate Pakistani territory to do it.

Despite the strained relations, the U.S. continues to work with Pakistan through the Department of Energy to help provide security for the weapons, and fissile material, said Toby Dalton, co-director of the Nuclear Policy Program at the Carnegie Endowment.

But Pakistan is also agile in its alliances. China, a longtime patron of Pakistan — they call each other as “close as lips and teeth” — is investing heavily in Pakistani infrastructure.

Publicly, China says it is cheered to see the Americans exit Afghanistan, and is ready to step into the void, expanding its Belt and Road initiative into Afghanistan, where it hopes to extract minerals.

But privately, the Chinese are wary. Chinese workers in Pakistan have been killed in terrorist attacks, which could presage a rough ride in Afghanistan. And the Taliban prefer isolation to roads and dams that could serve to loosen their control on the population.

China is counting on Pakistan to serve as its facilitator in Afghanistan, said Sajjan Gohel, International Security Director of the Asia-Pacific Foundation in London.

“The Chinese appear confident that they will be able to secure more security guarantees from the Taliban,” Mr. Gohel said, “because of their mutual ties with Pakistan.”
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explosion and gunfire at Kabul airport
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Anti-Taliban group leader asks Russia to mediate talks with Taliban
ANKARA: The Tajik leader of the forces stuck under the siege of the Taliban in Afghanistan’s Panjshir Valley called on Russia to assume a mediatory role and help conduct emergency peace talks between his forces and the Taliban to make a buffer zone in the valley.

In an interview with Russian media group RBK, Ahmad Massoud, head of the anti-Taliban resistance movement, said he hopes that Russia will help prevent the escalation of violence.

"The international community, regional powers, including Russia, can pressure the Taliban to create a buffer zone for those who cannot leave Afghanistan. There may be a region where they can stay until the peace talks yield results," Massoud said.
"I wholeheartedly believe that peace talks are the only solution. But as there are certain military manoeuvres and preparations in the Panjshir Valley, we are also preparing to defend ourselves," he added.
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Afghanistan: large explosion hits entry gate at Kabul airport
One of the entry gates to Kabul airport has been hit by a large explosion hours after western intelligence agencies warned of an imminent terrorist threat.

The blast, which was confirmed on Twitter by the Pentagon press secretary, John Kirby, appears to have occurred at the Abbey gate into the international airport and was followed by gunfire. It came as several western countries announced the end of their evacuation flights, citing an acute threat of an attack possibly within hours.

US officials said the initial report was that the blast was a suicide bombing. Images posted on social media in the immediate aftermath appeared to show injured victims of the blast being taken from the site, some of them in wheelbarrows.

The warning of an attack had been delivered by several countries including the UK. Afghans gathering to try to gain access to Kabul’s Hamid Karzai international airport were told to leave immediately and move to a safe place, even as the evacuation appeared to be rapidly coming to an end.

“We can confirm an explosion outside Kabul airport. Casualties are unclear at this time. We will provide additional details when we can,” Kirby said.
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From Lt Gen Panag (ret), latest article.

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This man is Ok with sharia and calls Taliban inclusive, only to take potshots at Modi and Doval. And people like him manage to reach such high ranks
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rsingh wrote: Fox News is not munching words. I used to ignore it. But here they are baap of NDTV. just pleasant to watch how they are removing cloths of the emperor. Inch by inch. Any chance of impeachment of old man?
Not before the mid terms.
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jamwal wrote:From Lt Gen Panag (ret), latest article.


This man is Ok with sharia and calls Taliban inclusive, only to take potshots at Modi and Doval. And people like him manage to reach such high ranks
When i read some of the writings from Lt Gen Panag, Adm. Ramdas, Pravin Sawhney and their like i cannot help but wonder how on earth did we ever allow such rabid anti-nationals to hold such important positions in the armed forces.
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Explosions near Kabul airport
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Islamic State attack on Taliban according to some outlets. Could be a false flag operation also. The water is too muddy right now.
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jamwal wrote:From Lt Gen Panag (ret), latest article.

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This man is Ok with sharia and calls Taliban inclusive, only to take potshots at Modi and Doval. And people like him manage to reach such high ranks
some really high quality stuff this guy is smoking.

who in their right minds would expect "equality"

he is part of the sidhu aapi gang aspiring for khalliland.

His publicity hungry female progeny is another piece of work and that rotten apple has not fallen far from the diseased tree

the taliban are deobandi, and the deobandi origins are still present in India
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IndraD wrote:[youtube]m9WRFYiBofM[youtube]
while there is plenty of information on US Taliban negotiation, it beggars belief why would US do that when there was an Afghan govt in place?
unless it was done to create chaos and leave it for the cheeni to handle long term, and bleeding them to divert both blood and treasure bigtime.

is it possible that the amerikis have sucked in the cheeni by forcing them into opening a new front
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chetak wrote:
IndraD wrote:[youtube]m9WRFYiBofM[youtube]
while there is plenty of information on US Taliban negotiation, it beggars belief why would US do that when there was an Afghan govt in place?
unless it was done to create chaos and leave it for the cheeni to handle long term, and bleeding them to divert both blood and treasure bigtime.

is it possible that the amerikis have sucked in the cheeni by forcing them into opening a new front
u think these morons in SD are that smart?
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Graphics of Kabul airports are horrific. US is already blaming ISIS.......to save Talibans. What a fall of a superpower.
Remember this. From now any atrocities will be blamed on ISIS. Tailbones are lucky.
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rsingh wrote:Graphics of Kabul airports are horrific. US is already blaming ISIS.......to save Talibans. What a fall of a superpower.
Remember this. From now any atrocities will be blamed on ISIS. Tailbones are lucky.
Even if it is not... Green-on-green attacks needs to be emphasized for its obvious propaganda value that it can serve.
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Dilbu wrote:Islamic State attack on Taliban according to some outlets. Could be a false flag operation also. The water is too muddy right now.
It was on civilians and foreign military and not taliban . The so called ISIS in Afghanistan is a creation of Pakistan to take the heat off taliban . It is Pakistan and the taliban who are responsible for the attack and no one else.
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Get this. From now of every atrocity committed by bunnies will be blamed on ISIS. Bunnies and Bakistanis will be milking West.......in the name of fighting terrorism.
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Bunnies are hereby legitimized

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/explosion-outside-kabul-airport-casualties-unclear-pentagon-2021-08-26/
... source familiar with U.S. congressional briefings said U.S. officials strongly believe that the Afghan affiliate of Islamic State, known as Islamic State Khorasan (ISIS-K), after an old name for the region, was responsible. ISIS-K is opposed by the United States and the Taliban...
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What made US and media to make instant verdict about who was behind this? Rumors were spread by US that iSIS may attack. And bunnie had stomach to say they "We will Not tolerate terrorists".
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in a convoluted way, the taliban will now be asked to "control the ISIS" and "do more". in fact, there maybe more confusion coming up since the taliban has to now oppose the ISIS - and by extension many such hardline islamic terrorists groups - but still continue to be one themselves.
I am really hard pressed to see what the US is gaining here.
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