Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 31 Aug 2021 13:13

Russia is just enjoying squeezing all knowing NATO. She is having her time. Russian are playing waiting game. They will be out if Talban starts showing visible brutality.

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 31 Aug 2021 13:56

rsingh wrote:Strange. They left modern war machines even at the sirport they left today. In working conditions. May be we offer to buy those? Otherwise we will see Chinoo helicopters.......the Chinese version.

This is textbook US deep state in action, creating the ability and possibility of 'strong' enemies to rise in different corners so that Khan can come back to bomb them to stone age again - all for the sake of their MIC to churn their economy.

I am bemused but not surprised.

OTOH, I will be thankful for the M-4s and other assorted small arms that the Bunnies and their fans, the Fannies, across our border, will bring for their summer harvest next year while we arrange their meeting with God and the hures.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 31 Aug 2021 13:58

According to The Diplomat, even though there is temporary relief and sense of victory for TSP and China, things don't look so positive for the future.
Pakistan-China Relations and the Fall of Afghanistan

Analysts and officials in Pakistan believe the Taliban’s victory serves dual purposes. It helps Pakistan to secure its interests in Afghanistan both by having a friendly group in charge of the government and by limiting the space for Indian engagement in Kabul. Pakistan has long accused regional rival India of working to destabilize its western border region via Afghanistan. With the Taliban in power, the sense in Islamabad is that alleged foreign support for terror groups like the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and for Pashtun and Baloch nationalist groups will diminish. In addition, Pakistan hopes that a Taliban-led government will provide it with opportunities to expand its geoeconomic footprint as it seeks to connect Central Asia with access to the Arabian Sea at Gwadar. This strategy expects that the Taliban will both be able to effectively stabilize Afghanistan and prevent anti-Pakistan groups from launching attacks, both of which are questionable assumptions.

For China, the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan is more of a liability than an opportunity. Beijing views its interests in Afghanistan through the lens of domestic security first and foremost, and the prospect of intensified conflict on its western border is alarming. In particular, China is concerned about the presence and potential growth of Uyghur militancy in Afghanistan, including the Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP). China’s priority will be to shore up its defenses from this threat, and has already sought Taliban assurances that the group would not be allowed to operate in Afghanistan. While some commentators argue that the U.S. withdrawal gives China access to Afghanistan’s mineral wealth and strengthens its Belt and Road Initiative, Beijing has made little headway on its current investments in Afghanistan and is wary of getting bogged down in an unstable environment. Beijing has, however, sought to use the U.S. withdrawal to paint America as an unreliable partner in the region, particularly targeting those countries Washington is keen to work with in its Indo-Pacific strategy.

While Pakistan views the Taliban takeover as a positive development, China is less sanguine. In the unlikely event that the Taliban are able to effectively stabilize and govern Afghanistan while reining in militant groups, the result could be a boon for the bilateral relationship and investment via a potential expansion of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). The far more likely outcome, however, is renewed instability that could threaten Chinese investments in Pakistan under CPEC. TTP has already launched attacks against Chinese targets in Pakistan, including a bombing that killed several Chinese engineers in July and an apparent assassination attempt against the Chinese ambassador in April. Should such attacks increase, Beijing could further slow its projects in Pakistan while pressuring Islamabad to ensure security. Pakistan will remain a useful go-between for China given its ties to the Taliban, but the group’s rise could put a strain on the “iron brotherhood.”

The Taliban’s return to power in Afghanistan represents a major propaganda victory for militants across the region, including the TIP and other China-focused groups. TIP’s Syria-based chapter issued a congratulatory statement praising the establishment of an “Islamic Emirate” in Afghanistan soon after the Taliban swept into Kabul. These developments are concerning for Beijing, which will likely seek to manage the threat both by pressuring the Taliban and other regional governments to crack down on Uyghurs abroad and by further ratcheting up its draconian policies in Xinjiang – risking domestic radicalization.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Aug 2021 14:00

Our policy with af- pak should be to distrust and double verify.

Remember that Taliban is an islamic government and taquia is an integral part of the religion. Especially when dealing with kafirs.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 31 Aug 2021 15:26

Fallout of Afganistan

Step 1: TSP, BIF will try some misadventure against India, it will have covert backing of the West( weaponry and media).

If it succeeds like Delhi riots 2020 , Gujarat riots 2002, 1989 Kashmir insurgency, 1984 Punjab insurgency, all these parties will rejoice. If it fails like Kargil 1999. TSP will need a morale booster to hide H&D shame.

From TSP perspective by hiding 300+ casualties in Balakot and loss of F16 plus whatever in Muzaffarabad, Chakoti and complete miss of PGm was worth it because of capture of Wing Commander.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 31 Aug 2021 21:02

Looks like Indian ambassador to Qatar formally met Taliban's representative in Doha today. While India may not recognize the Taliban govt in Afghanistan until many other countries do, i wouldn't be too surprised if we maintain some sort of a informal communication line with them. Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanikzai, one of the main characters from Taliban who has been heading the political discussions with the US, Qatar, Turkey etc over the last couple of years was once trained in IMA, he has several overtures calling for better relationship with India.

saip · Post by **saip** » 31 Aug 2021 22:48

There is an editorial in Paki Dawn criticizing the drone attack in Afghanistan. I am sure the drone did not take off from USA but from a country very close to Afghanistan like Pakistan itself. So what are they complaining about? Running with the hares and hunting with the hounds.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 31 Aug 2021 22:58

rsingh wrote:I think Bakistan deserve to be permanent member of NATO. With all these weapons at hand they are better equipped then Germany.

As an Islami aatami takat, surely a permanent seat in the UN Security Council with veto power.
Gautam

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 31 Aug 2021 23:08

saip wrote:There is an editorial in Paki Dawn criticizing the drone attack in Afghanistan. I am sure the drone did not take off from USA but from a country very close to Afghanistan like Pakistan itself. So what are they complaining about? Running with the hares and hunting with the hounds.

it took off from qatar..thats what wsj reported..whats curious is where did it return to?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 Aug 2021 23:39

some posters said that ameriki weapons with the taliban would be difficult to maintain without spares

Here are some country made automatics that are being produced in small time workshops in the rural Indian hinterland

one suspects that these guys could make copies of better weapons if their price was assured.

one also hears talk that the prices are between 1.5-3 lakhs, give or take, per piece

the pakis and the afghans do much better work than these local desi guys because of the much bigger market and better demand in the afpak badlands

Haryana Police busted an arms smugglers gang and arrested four people. 35 country-made pistols and 45 magazines recovered.

The accused were involved in supply of illegal weapons to gangsters in Delhi-NCR and neighbouring states.

via@ANI·3h

desi or country made pistol (katta) is still available widely

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 31 Aug 2021 23:44

Pakistan is India's strategic depth against Taliban

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 01 Sep 2021 00:19

g.sarkar wrote:
rsingh wrote:I think Bakistan deserve to be permanent member of NATO. With all these weapons at hand they are better equipped then Germany.
As an Islami aatami takat, surely a permanent seat in the UN Security Council with veto power.
Gautam

Allah be praised (PBUH) onlee one vito seat ? That is naainsafi hein ji?

One the sidelines Qatar is beating above belt. An undemocratic, primitive Kingdom is deciding about levels of democracy in world. Just tune in Al-Jira, they are constantly investigating Human Rights in EU and US

. I came to know that India is not democratic enough.Bad bad India is not protecting her minorities. They are pained by human rights of Indian tribes in Latin American countries. That is Joke of century.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 01 Sep 2021 02:12

Images are emerging of four new Chinook helos left behind by US military as they were leaving Kabul airport. Taliban entered hanger minutes after Americans left and found 3 nice Chinooks in pristine condition. The nice Americans also left a big pallet of water bottles for the thirsty Talibs.

Images also emerging of Taliban hanging prisoners from Blackhawk helos flying above Kandhar to scare the crap out of non compliant civilians.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Sep 2021 02:17

twitter

This, from Kevin Myers’ latest column, is sobering.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 01 Sep 2021 02:23

Mort Walker wrote:Images are emerging of four new Chinook helos left behind by US military as they were leaving Kabul airport. Taliban entered hanger minutes after Americans left and found 3 nice Chinooks in pristine condition. The nice Americans also left a big pallet of water bottles for the thirsty Talibs.

Images also emerging of Taliban hanging prisoners from Blackhawk helos flying above Kandhar to scare the crap out of non compliant civilians.

I was wondering how us would take these back.. they also had a few apaches clearing runways..I did not see any c 5 galaxy comming in .. gift to pakis ?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 01 Sep 2021 02:28

^^^More or less a gift to the Taliban and if it goes to Pakis, then so be it.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Sep 2021 02:38

Mort Walker wrote:Images are emerging of four new Chinook helos left behind by US military as they were leaving Kabul airport. Taliban entered hanger minutes after Americans left and found 3 nice Chinooks in pristine condition. The nice Americans also left a big pallet of water bottles for the thirsty Talibs.

Images also emerging of Taliban hanging prisoners from Blackhawk helos flying above Kandhar to scare the crap out of non compliant civilians.

they are Sea Knights, not chinooks

sea knight

the State Department had CH-46Es in kabul, and these may be it.

another image shows 3-4 of them, painted similarly, in a hanger at kabul airport--see video

they are Sea Knights probably, but not chinooks

sea knight

WATCH VIDEO

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 01 Sep 2021 02:53

CH-47 is the Chinook, and the CH-46 Sea Knight is the predecessor. They still look like in great condition from the video. No worries. Mission accomplished!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Sep 2021 02:55

Mort Walker wrote:CH-47 is the Chinook, and the CH-46 Sea Knight is the predecessor. They still look like in great condition.

per some reports, these are the State Dept owned CH-46s, and were disabled more than two weeks ago

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Sep 2021 03:28

Mort Walker wrote:CH-47 is the Chinook, and the CH-46 Sea Knight is the predecessor. They still look like in great condition from the video. No worries. Mission accomplished!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/mxKyc8g.jpegimg]

THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS ABANDONED ITS CH-46 HELICOPTERS IN AFGHANISTAN

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 01 Sep 2021 03:55

Mort Walker wrote:CH-47 is the Chinook, and the CH-46 Sea Knight is the predecessor. They still look like in great condition from the video. No worries. Mission accomplished!

Did Taliban support Biden during presidential elections?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Sep 2021 04:08

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 01 Sep 2021 06:41

I am getting reports that US forces disabled equipment left behind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXA_PykXmho
US Military Disable 73 Aircraft, Other High Tech Weapons In Afghanistan, Can Taliban Use Them Now?
Aug 31, 2021
Historically, Iran was able to use US aircraft long after the breakup with Khan. But they are much above the Taliban in technology, I do not think this will be the case here. In any case, all modern Khan equipment will be of great interest to Sugarland, and a source of moolah to the Taliban.
Gautam

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 01 Sep 2021 07:36

I doubt if the military hardware will remain in Afghanistan for long, it is very, very expensive to run a country and once the honeymoon is over the madrassa chap barbarians will sell everything that moves to China, Iran and Pakistan. They are all capable of fixing up the disabled equipment and use them or reverse engineer them (except Pakistan who will contribute with green spray paint).

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 01 Sep 2021 07:52

The Taliban 2.0 have taken a cue from their handlers and masters to the east in Pakistan. They will talk a good game and claim "human rights" and then slaughter whomever they want behind the scenes. RIght now the Talib need money and will sell what they can to the Pakis or trade for what they need. The Pakis have a long history and experience with illegal arms and munitions from the DPRK and PLA.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 01 Sep 2021 08:49

Aditya_V wrote:Fallout of Afganistan

Step 1: TSP, BIF will try some misadventure against India, it will have covert backing of the West( weaponry and media).

If it succeeds like Delhi riots 2020 , Gujarat riots 2002, 1989 Kashmir insurgency, 1984 Punjab insurgency, all these parties will rejoice. If it fails like Kargil 1999. TSP will need a morale booster to hide H&D shame.

From TSP perspective by hiding 300+ casualties in Balakot and loss of F16 plus whatever in Muzaffarabad, Chakoti and complete miss of PGm was worth it because of capture of Wing Commander.

The only hope is that this time India supposedly has a more alert and assertive GOI, NSA and Armed Services. The near continuous engagements since URI -> Balakot -> Galwan suggests that the Armed Forces are prepped.

Manas · Post by **Manas** » 01 Sep 2021 11:26

chetak wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:CH-47 is the Chinook, and the CH-46 Sea Knight is the predecessor. They still look like in great condition from the video. No worries. Mission accomplished!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/mxKyc8g.jpegimg]

THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS ABANDONED ITS CH-46 HELICOPTERS IN AFGHANISTAN

These probably are the same choppers that were used to airlift Embassy personnel from the U.S. Embassy in Kabul to HKIA secure zone the day the Taliban took over Kabul a couple of weeks ago.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 01 Sep 2021 11:58

chetak wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:CH-47 is the Chinook, and the CH-46 Sea Knight is the predecessor. They still look like in great condition.
per some reports, these are the State Dept owned CH-46s, and were disabled more than two weeks ago

Chetak Ji, Whats in a name? US left some gift for Bakistan. Point.

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 01 Sep 2021 13:05

May be now is the necessary time to use some ruse/real thing and do some real damage to the air assets of Pakistan one way or the other. It is better to take on the Pakistan now ..rather than..one year from now..when they would have consolidated and digested all the 85 Billion dollar worth US armament and machinery left by US forces.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Sep 2021 13:30

RajaRudra wrote:May be now is the necessary time to use some ruse/real thing and do some real damage to the air assets of Pakistan one way or the other. It is better to take on the Pakistan now ..rather than..one year from now..when they would have consolidated and digested all the 85 Billion dollar worth US armament and machinery left by US forces.

I dont think much of that 85 Billion armoury will be of too much use for the Pakistanis. Those Helicopters, Transport aircraft cannot be used, too public a humiliation to see them in Pakistan flying around- I think they are disabled.

MRAP, Humvee's while troop movers , may be useful in a conventional war but will require US support and can be taken on by the Indian Army by Anti tank missiles, Tanks, artillery etc

The real danger is small arms , night vision googles and encrypted Radio communication equipment- these will be really useful to the Pakis on the LOC and infiltration attempts, it also allows the training arming of many more militants, as instead of the Pakistan US taxpayer has funded their equipment and Ammo.

No Need to blunder into something without clear objectives. Plan recognise the threat but no need to Panic.

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 01 Sep 2021 13:59

Aditya_V wrote:
RajaRudra wrote:May be now is the necessary time to use some ruse/real thing and do some real damage to the air assets of Pakistan one way or the other. It is better to take on the Pakistan now ..rather than..one year from now..when they would have consolidated and digested all the 85 Billion dollar worth US armament and machinery left by US forces.
I dont think much of that 85 Billion armoury will be of too much use for the Pakistanis. Those Helicopters, Transport aircraft cannot be used, too public a humiliation to see them in Pakistan flying around- I think they are disabled.

MRAP, Humvee's while troop movers , may be useful in a conventional war but will require US support and can be taken on by the Indian Army by Anti tank missiles, Tanks, artillery etc

The real danger is small arms , night vision googles and encrypted Radio communication equipment- these will be really useful to the Pakis on the LOC and infiltration attempts, it also allows the training arming of many more militants, as instead of the Pakistan US taxpayer has funded their equipment and Ammo.

No Need to blunder into something without clear objectives. Plan recognise the threat but no need to Panic.

Yes, objective i thought is to not let the enemy state the peace required to think and absorb things pretty much free.
Hot border with possible further air raids will make them spend their energy in the this issue , rather than having free run in the short term.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Sep 2021 14:49

Well we are also recovering from Covid, we must continue to reequip ourselves, be prepared on the LAC and then deal with LOC. So it will be pretty foolish to escalate things from our side without a provocation. Now that the Americans are out, Taliban are upto no good in Afghanistan and cant Govern. We must try and arm cohesive Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara units and work with supplies from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan. Even the Iranians I am sure will not like the Taliban, we must start getting Kunduz, Mazer-I-Sharif , Herat etc out of Taliban hands with nice casualties. The Americans were listening to the Pakis and no it could be good thing as anti Taliban alliance without American pressure can take Afganistan out of Taliban hands in a year or 2.

In such a case Pakis will be caught in a double trap- there are enough educated Afgans who are not going to like the taliban- the only thing benefiting Pakis were the Double game played by Nato in making sure Pakis were not severely affected.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 01 Sep 2021 15:58

Taliban parade to show off plundered US hardware

Taliban fighters stood aboard captured Humvees as they prepared for a parade Wednesday of plundered US military hardware, including possibly a Black Hawk helicopter, in their southern Afghan spiritual heartland. A long line of green vehicles sat in single file on a highway outside Afghanistan's second-biggest city of Kandahar, many with white-and-black Taliban flags attached to aerials, according to an AFP journalist. Fighters manned the controls of the multi-purpose trucks -- used by US, NATO and Afghan forces during Afghanistan's 20 years of war -- while others clambered over the vehicles at Ayno Maina, a town on the outskirts of the city.

The Taliban held a Victory Parade with U.S. military equipment, and in full U.S. military uniform. Joe Biden’s i… https://t.co/5jQhG9rbPo
Errol Webber (@ErrolWebber) 1630463641000

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 01 Sep 2021 16:01

Just wanted to share a timeline/thread

shyamd wrote: I think consensus within current TSPA establishment is they regret recognising the previous Taleban govt without support of international powers - bad PR and guilt by association. Especially that Taleban was not inclusive last time - this created its own instability. This time TSPA want there to be inclusive govt (with TSPA at the top to veto anything big .... like GOI involvement)

TSPA has outlined 2 core national interest:
1. Vision for future of Afghanistan (particularly the Durand Line border)
2. Role of India in that region

Previous Afghan govts failed on both counts. Right from the start Afghan govt told then senior TSPA officers that they don't recognise durand line.
Also the US was setting up ANDF ORBAT to focus on Pakistan(!).
Taleban takeover of Afghanistan was a necessity in their eyes. But there is no guarantee that they can control Taleban indefinitely.... Question is what is Taleban position on points 1 and 2 above.

TSPA expectation is that instability in places like FATA, Baluchistan and other places will reduce once Taleb take over is complete

shyamd wrote:
Assessment of Security Situation post Kabul takeover

TSPA priority
- TSPA support Taleban priority firstly will be to consolidate, secure and prevent any forces that can launch a counter coup. Apparently Kabul is not completely secure and the Taleban are still continuing operations.
- Negotiations are taking place between Taleban and forces that are capable of resisting thus the general amnesty for former Afghan govt officials (to complete the coup which means the Taleban/TSPA are still worried about resistance forces)
- The other issues is that TSPA know that there are a lot of groups that are not under direct C2 of TSPA - these will need to be dealt with as well eventually

- Consensus for major powers is that as long as Taleban is truly 'inclusive' then pressure will be taken off Taleban - I believe funds of the Afghan govt have been frozen or about to be frozen
- ISI backed troops such as LeT and JeM are playing a significant role. They have two roles - keep control of Taleban gangs going lose/off the chain and prevent forces that can launch a counter coup.

GOI moves
- First priority is securing all Indian nationals, diplomats and other interests of the Sikh/Hindu community. Majority of the work was completed in 48 hours from the green light given by GOI leaders.
- The next will be to re-establish connections with key players (some of whom are in Delhi) and others in central asian states.
- GOI have a choice. Either support those ready to launch a counter coup and make the point that Taleban hold is weak/vulnerable or move to a long term strategy which is to be recon/surveillance/intel focused.

With only around 9% of indian population vaccinated GOI's primary focus is to get this fixed.

Expectation is that we'll be back to stadium murders soon.
Apparently GOI - Taleban meeting was reported in arab press (the one that MEA denied that took place). Taleban said they welcome Indian investments in infra & education as these are for the benefit of all afghans. They also said the Taliban pledged to remain neutral in the India-Pakistan conflict, especially with regard to Kashmir, and affirmed that it has its own future policy on Pakistan.

They have also pledged not to interfere in Uyghur issues in china.

shyamd wrote: Be careful....maybe ISI want us to think that. From speaking to people I'm getting the sense all dirty business (terror training) will be shipped of to Afghanistan from places like Mansehra and PoK. TSP will follow the international community publicly...i.e. if the powers recognise, they will recognise... if they don't then TSP won't.

The impact will be TSPA will come out of FATF and look clean... they'll say all terror planning/training is happening from "ungoverned places".

Iran has close ties with many in Talebs but they aren't trusted.

UAE has approached Turkey for alliance on Afghan file.

Latest summary is:
- TSPA has sent feelers to London and DC on who may recognise the taleban govt. TSPA want to resolve Afg govt issue quickly because there is concern about refugee inflows
- KSA via former intel director Turki al Faisal is re-establishing contacts with Taleban. This is brokered via ISI. Meetings have been held with Mullah Yaqoob (Mullah omar's son) and other seniors. KSA view is better to have a taleb govt who will be more sympathetic vs Iran.
- I'm reminded that Taleban is a coalition of groups that range from anti TSPA, drug gangs, extremists, nationalists, Pro-Pakhtun ethnic groups, pro -TSP backed terror groups like Haqqani Network, former Afg govt officials... PLA is backing one faction, Iran another - particularly those in border districts with Iran... Russia also involved...(rumour has it ISKP was getting $$ from Russians...)... Sorting out and agreeing powersharing between these groups is proving a little difficult. Each person has earned their seat on table... and each country is having their rep on the table via shura council (incl. Iran)..
- Taleban are being asked to repay debts to these nation states like Russia, Iran, TSP, China who supported them over the years.
- UAE cooperating with Turkey/Qatar alliance on Afghanistan...but it's early days.
- Threat of counter coup has largely reduced..

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Sep 2021 16:08

Counter Coup can happen only if Russia and Iran are involved.

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 01 Sep 2021 18:03

Surgical Strike, Air Strike - All are having some expiry date.
We may don't like it, but certain things have to be done at intervals to extend the validity.

Punishing the TSPA once in a while is one such thing. The current situation needs to get utilized to
1) test out certain new drdo developments in real world scenario
2) Check the resolve of pakis
3) test the Taliban reaction when TSPA puts pressure on it.
4) timely degradation of certain resources

etc. etc. At least some time we should be pro active. not just actively observing things with hundreds of "what if" analysis.
(I did not mean capture and hold the territory - just destroy and incapacitate once in a while as a balancing act or punishments)

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 01 Sep 2021 19:58

Talk to and engage with Taliban: Anti-dharmic coalition of pseudo's advising government of India on what to do!!!

While it makes the customary appeal to Taliban to protect the minorities, have an exclusive government etc etc, here is the real agenda:

Expressing concern over the situation in Afghanistan, a group of eminent persons, including former ministers K Natwar Singh, Yashwant Sinha and Mani Shankar Aiyar, on Wednesday urged the government to continue engaging with the Taliban and not allow any political party to use the developments in that country to communally polarise Indian society for electoral gains.

There should be no discrimination on grounds of religion in providing shelter to Afghans who have been forced to leave their country, the signatories to the statement said.

They called for India to permit temporary stay to Afghan journalists, artists and civil society leaders who are feeling threatened by the conditions in their country.

All the countries in South Asia -- especially India, Pakistan and Afghanistan -- should strive to make it a region of peace, harmony and collective progress, the statement said.(Despicable equal equal of the Terrorism formenting Pakistan with India, they are indirectly insinuating that India is also responsible with Pakistan for the situation in Afghanistan)

Check the name of the poisonous snakes who are issuing this statement:

The statement has been issued collectively by former external affairs ministers Singh and Sinha, as well as former diplomat and Congress leader Aiyar, retired IPS officer Julio Rebeiro, former IAS officer and an ex-vice chancellor of Jamia Millia Islamia Najeeb Jung, Afghan expert Vedpratap Vaidik, senior journalist Saeed Naqvi, former diplomat K C Singh, social activist Sandeep Pandey, former Rajya Sabha member Majeed Memon and Forum for a New South Asia founder Sudheendra Kulkarni.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 01 Sep 2021 21:53

rsingh wrote:It is possible that US may start air attacks to destroy leftover weapons, once Evacuation is complete.

how? they would move them elsewhere. especially small arms, assault rifles, machine guns, and all explosives p, grenades, launchers, and anything else tha can be moved to a different location. satellites can't detect the new locations. probably not much humint, if any, is left.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 01 Sep 2021 22:39

Every day I am more amazed how well coordinated the left's ecosystem is and how well entrenched the islamists are within this ecosystem who can always rely on the fake news "fact makers" and mainstream media to provide cover fire. We all saw the horrific video of a person hung from a helicopter and flown over a Afghanistani city as a warning to its residents. Well, less than 24 hrs later the mainstream media and the so called "fact checkers" have been deployed to whitewash Taliban's barbarity by calling the video "fake" ! The laughable explanation is that the man was hanging purposefully from the helicopter to hang a flag over a building ! You would think Kandahar or Kabul has Singapore/Dubai style skyscrappers that one has to hang (and motionlessly mind you) from a helicopter to plant a flag on top of a building ! But again, this is from the same fact checkers/mainstream media who called rocks in the hands of rioting Jamia Milia Islamia students in Delhi as "wallets" !

I think in this post-truth world if you are to spread propaganda or put out fake news then say something so comical and fantastic that the people are cornered into believing it may be true because no one would make up something so bizarre !

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 01 Sep 2021 22:49

Afghan President Warned of Taliban ‘Invasion’ but Joe Biden Focused on ‘Perception’

According to a report by Reuters, in a 14 minute call between Biden and Ghani on July 23, the Afghan president told Biden, “We are facing a full-scale invasion, composed of Taliban, full Pakistani planning and logistical support, and at least 10-15,000 international terrorists.”

But Biden on the call pressed Ghani to publicly project he had a plan to control the worsening situation in Afghanistan in order to receive air support. According to Reuters:

In the call, Biden offered aid if Ghani could publicly project he had a plan to control the spiraling situation in Afghanistan. “We will continue to provide close air support, if we know what the plan is,” Biden said.

Biden also told Ghani, “I need not tell you the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban.”

“And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture,” he told Ghani, and urged him tot give a press conference with Afghanistan’s prominent political figures backing a new military strategy.

“That will change perception, and that will change an awful lot I think,” Biden said.

Biden also praised the Afghan military as “the best,” and “clearly capable of fighting well,” and promised that the U.S. would “continue to fight hard” non-militarily to make sure the Afghan government survives and grows.

Reuters noted that as the two presidents spoke, Taliban insurgents controlled about half of Afghanistan’s district centers, indicating a rapidly deteriorating security situation.

Later that day in another call also leaked to Reuters, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley and U.S. Central Command commander Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie pressed Ghani to change the “perception” of the war.

Milley told Ghani “the perception in the United States, in Europe and the media sort of thing is a narrative of Taliban momentum, and a narrative of Taliban victory. And we need to collectively demonstrate and try to turn that perception, that narrative around.”

McKenzie added: “I do not believe time is our friend here. We need to move quickly.”

If Soviet Union had as good a lobbying power in DC and as many sympathizing western media companies on its side as Pakistan does then they could have won the cold war.