Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

srikandan · Post by **srikandan** » 15 Mar 2022 04:31

That is RFE-RL (Radio Liberty) USA's propaganda Arm -- no other non USA or non UK source of news has this.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 15 Mar 2022 04:57

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... war-poster

In a statement carried by state news agency TASS, Channel One said that "an incident took place with an extraneous woman in shot. An internal check is being carried out."

TASS cited a law enforcement source as saying the woman has been detained and could be charged under legislation banning public acts that aim to "discredit the use of Russia's armed forces".

srikandan · Post by **srikandan** » 15 Mar 2022 05:48

https://m.yenisafak.com/en/world/russia ... ks-3590387

TASS website was attacked. No such news of woman with placard. Just do a web search and pick one non US/EU/UK website that has this news. Just tried that with multiple search engines. This is manufactured news.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 06:36

srikandan wrote:https://m.yenisafak.com/en/world/russia ... ks-3590387

TASS website was attacked. No such news of woman with placard. Just do a web search and pick one non US/EU/UK website that has this news. Just tried that with multiple search engines. This is manufactured news.

Why would TASS cover that news that is basically contrary to Putin's narrative?

srikandan · Post by **srikandan** » 15 Mar 2022 07:20

Ks_sachin ji,
Please pay attention to the posts by reading them. The claim is that TASS reported this incident. They did not

.TASS cited a law enforcement source as saying the woman has been detained and could be charged under legislation banning public acts that aim to "discredit the use of Russia's armed forces".

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 15 Mar 2022 07:35

The woman with the placard is suppose to be Marina Ovsyannikova an editor on the Russian TV channel Pervyi Kanal (Channel One).

srikandan · Post by **srikandan** » 15 Mar 2022 07:38

Mort ji, my only point here is to be skeptical of news items that are not reported by all sides. In this case, as ks_sachin ji points out, why would TASS report something that works against Russia in Psy war terms? Maybe Marina O. Really exists and worked at Russia One. But did Marina O. actually appear in that video, what is the name of that admirable news reader who did not bat an eyelid as Marina O. Suddenly screamed behind her...unless the news reader and Marina O. both exist but were never in the same frame as that video claims. We can only think we know that any of this real, but we are reacting to 1000s of points of data with questionable and varying levels of truthiness.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 15 Mar 2022 07:42

John wrote:
yogeshkumar wrote:On a positive news.. I saw a news where Indian Oil Corporation placed an order to buy 3 million tons of Ural grade oil from Russia. With a discount. Assuming true.. I say Good for India to do the right thing. Which is - secure cheap energy supplies.. and potentially pay in Rupees.
Here is the link:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-14/

Reuters is saying 3 million barrels not tonnes. Delivery is in May.

One tonne of crude oil is about 3.33 barrels. India uses about 4.5 million barrels of oil per day.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 15 Mar 2022 07:47

srikandan wrote:Mort ji, my only point here is to be skeptical of news items that are not reported by all sides. In this case, as ks_sachin ji points out, why would TASS report something that works against Russia in Psy war terms?

Fair enough. I think this one looks legit, but needs to be verified. Lots of Russia media and sources that don't tow the US/EU line are being shut down. RT Live was shut down by YouTube - Google just today, along with Oliver Stone's 2016 documentary "Ukraine on Fire". They are available on Rumble and recommend to download that app.

srikandan · Post by **srikandan** » 15 Mar 2022 08:00

There is a total blackout of any Russian sources of news so claims of events happening in Russia, especially items that pretend Russian army is short of food and anti-putin sentiments are high to the exception of any other views or news. Seems Rather convenient for the guardians of freedom and democracy on this planet.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 08:10

srikandan wrote:Ks_sachin ji,
Please pay attention to the posts by reading them. The claim is that TASS reported this incident. They did not

.TASS cited a law enforcement source as saying the woman has been detained and could be charged under legislation banning public acts that aim to "discredit the use of Russia's armed forces".

Ah. But my question is, would they?
Information warfare is part and parcel of combat every side is doing it...We all believe what we want to believe.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 08:16

srikandan wrote:Mort ji, my only point here is to be skeptical of news items that are not reported by all sides. In this case, as ks_sachin ji points out, why would TASS report something that works against Russia in Psy war terms? Maybe Marina O. Really exists and worked at Russia One. But did Marina O. actually appear in that video, what is the name of that admirable news reader who did not bat an eyelid as Marina O. Suddenly screamed behind her...unless the news reader and Marina O. both exist but were never in the same frame as that video claims. We can only think we know that any of this real, but we are reacting to 1000s of points of data with questionable and varying levels of truthiness.

Good post SriKandan.
My general philosophy has become to look at all different data points and form that opinion - But then not discuss those opinions too widely. I find that most people believe what they want to believe and an objective discussion is generally not possible. Sad but that is the best way to avoid family conflict!!!

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 15 Mar 2022 08:19

John wrote:...
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-14/

Interesting thing is that the trading company from which IOC bought oil is Vitol, a Dutch energy trading company. One of the largest companies in the world, who frequently trades with sanctioned countries like Iran; and they have paid fines numerous times. On one side Europeans are putting sanctions and on the other side its companies are making a killing trading Russian oil. Sanctions anyone

srikandan · Post by **srikandan** » 15 Mar 2022 08:23

Ah. But my question is, would they?
Information warfare is part and parcel of combat every side is doing it...We all believe what we want to believe.

So if the Russians are fighting this information warfare are reporting that they are arresting people for holding placards that works against Putin's interest, why would TASS report it? Just makes no sense to me. Smells wrong.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 08:25

chanakyaa wrote:
John wrote:...
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-14/
Interesting thing is that the trading company from which IOC bought oil is Vitol, a Dutch energy trading company. One of the largest companies in the world, who frequently trades with sanctioned countries like Iran; and they have paid fines numerous times. On one side Europeans are putting sanctions and on the other side its companies are making a killing trading Russian oil.

From what I have heard there is some resistance to completely killing all Russian O/G supplies. The Germans in particular - However it is open source and could be a plant by the Russians to sow dissension in the western ranks. You never know in these days of information warfare. Or perhaps there are no sanctions and we are living in a matrix!!

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 08:28

srikandan wrote:
Ah. But my question is, would they?
Information warfare is part and parcel of combat every side is doing it...We all believe what we want to believe.
So if the Russians are fighting this information warfare are reporting that they are arresting people for holding placards that works against Putin's interest, why would TASS report it? Just makes no sense to me. Smells wrong.

I agree.

yogeshkumar · Post by **yogeshkumar** » 15 Mar 2022 08:29

Mort Walker wrote:
John wrote: Here is the link:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-14/
Reuters is saying 3 million barrels not tonnes. Delivery is in May.

One tonne of crude oil is about 3.33 barrels. India uses about 4.5 million barrels of oil per day.

Looks like India is finally standing up for its own interests and its about time: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/energy/i ... index.html

From the article: "Apart from oil, India is also looking for cheaper fertilizer from Russia and its ally Belarus, according to one of the officials"

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 08:30

Good. Now we should go full tilt also on domestic MiL industrial complex. REliance on others is a recipe for disaster.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 15 Mar 2022 08:57

chanakyaa wrote:
John wrote:...
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-14/
Interesting thing is that the trading company from which IOC bought oil is Vitol, a Dutch energy trading company. One of the largest companies in the world, who frequently trades with sanctioned countries like Iran; and they have paid fines numerous times. On one side Europeans are putting sanctions and on the other side its companies are making a killing trading Russian oil. Sanctions anyone

As of now, you can buy all the Russian oil that you want. There is no sanction on Russia per se. The only problem is you can't use SWIFT messaging system for effecting payment. That said, the only hitch to using Russian oil is that most public sector refineries can't use the heavy Russian crude without blending with lighter crude. That limits the potential for import of Russian crude.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 15 Mar 2022 09:06

dnivas wrote:I seriously do not know what your agenda is here John, but your constant parroting of lies since the beginning ; 'ghost of Kiev' , '13 soldiers', bunch of fake psy ops twitter posts is harming the pro India focus of this forum. Since our independence, it is a fact that USSR/ Russia supported us more than the US and to an extent maintains a large proportion of our CURRENT weapons. you keep cheering for a Russian loss. This would cause a serious loss for India politically and economically. luckily for us , we are able to witness the spate of disinfo that can in the future in a moment turned on us [imagine all the indian business in the west having shit thrown on, or damaged].

Are you telling me that because Pakistan becomes part of Chinese Alliance where the chinese start placing missiles on our border, we should just roll over and say 'master'?
Would we not take the initiative and attack pakistan, what we consider part of our ethos. So far for a loss of < 1000 civilians the Russians have been slowly grinding down the Ukr cities. Your mental masters in the meantime would have blown up bridges, blown up the electricity grid, shock and awed cities, blown up wedding processions and then called them all "collateral damage". So shame on you sir.

To be fair, this guy "John" isn't the only one. Based on the tone of Indian reporting and the comments from regular Indian folks on YouTube and such, I get the impression that after 30+ years of Indian news media parroting the western media by default, most Indians have now been fully indoctrinated. The majority of our population subscribes to dangerous western propaganda that could lead us into WW3 or at the very least, be very bad for our interests. If you think Indians have only "drank the Kool-Aid" regarding Russia or Ukraine, you'd be mistaken. The western\globalist cabal's control of our news media means that they control the narrative across a wide range of issues.

India needs to figure out how to get our news media back, but without resorting to censorship and without relying on state-controlled media. This is an increasingly intolerable situation we find ourselves in.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Mar 2022 09:40

Mort Walker wrote:
John wrote: Here is the link:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-14/
Reuters is saying 3 million barrels not tonnes. Delivery is in May.

One tonne of crude oil is about 3.33 barrels. India uses about 4.5 million barrels of oil per day.

When Putin visited Delhi in Dec 21 there was no agreement on weapons but only supply of Coal, Gas, Crude. We also canceled the Mig 29 procurement. Looks like some of this has been gamed, us buying stuff from Russia allows frees up supply to the West and reduces prices for them. Ukraine seems to the Bakra, while for Britain and USA, NATO becomes relevant.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 10:09

May be the GoI also knew what was about to happen.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Mar 2022 10:34

For Reference attaching a linkhttps://theprint.in/diplomacy/these-are ... ks/777650/

These are the 28 agreements India, Russia signed at summit-level talks

An MoU between Joint Stock Company Rosgeologia (ROSGEO), a legal entity incorporated under the laws of the Russian Federation and Geological Survey of India (GSI), Ministry of Mines, Government of the Republic of India on cooperation in the field of geoscience. [It seeks cooperation in the field of earth sciences and geological study of subsoil, long-term cooperation in the area of geological onshore and offshore exploration works.

Protocol on introduction of amendments to the Merchant Shipping Agreement between the Government of the Republic of India and the Government of the Russian Federation. [It introduces an amendment leading to recognising the seafarer’s identity documents.

An agreement between the Government of the Republic of India and the Government of the Russian Federation on technology protection due to cooperation in the field of research and use of outer space for peaceful purposes and building and operation of launch vehicles and ground-based space infrastructure.

Protocol between Government of the Russian Federation and Government of the Republic of India on allotment of land plots for allocation of Consular offices of the Republic of India in the Russian Federation and terms of housing the Consulate General of the Republic of India in the city of Vladivostok.

A cooperation agreement between Reserve Bank of India and the Bank of Russia in the field of responding to cyber attacks

An MoU on cooperation between ICAI (The Institute of Chartered Accountants of India) and IPAR (The Institute of Professional Accountants of Russia). [It seeks to establish collaboration through joint research, quality support, capability and capacity building.]

An MoU for cooperation in the power sector between NTPC Ltd, Government of India Enterprise and Inter Rao-Export LLC, Russia. [It seeks to jointly provide services for capability-building exports in the power sector, outside their respective countries of origin]

]

Interesting as a CA, ICAI has a MOU with the Russian Accountants and RBI -Russian Central Bank having agreement- I am sure bypassing SWIFT mechanism must be there if required.

A statement of intent of collaboration between IOCL and SIBUR. [It seeks to consider the possibility to explore the feasibility of setting up a Dual Feed Cracker Unit along with downstream units at Paradip, Odisha.

A statement of intent of collaboration between IOCL and Gazpromneft for VGO Hydrocracking Technology, Catalytic Iso-dewaxing for lobs and catalyst regeneration for fixed bed catalyst.

An MoU between Rosneft and OVL-led Indian Consortium on Training Cooperation. [It seeks to provide education and training programs in the oil and gas sector.]

A crude oil supply agreement between Rosneft and Indian Oil Corp. Ltd. [It seeks to renew the previous contract between Rosneft and IOCL.

Probably answers how we plan to use heavy Russian Crude

At that both Indian and US media were speculating why Putin Travelled to Delhi and why a summit meeting, in hindsight lot of this makes sense

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Mar 2022 12:18

https://www.livemint.com/industry/energ ... 60477.html

It seems that efforts are already underway to bypass Swift and the dollar sanctions.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 15 Mar 2022 15:06

Major breakthroughs being reported by Russia.
Mariupol is almost being cleared.
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Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation took full control of the entire territory of Kherson region.

The grouping of troops of the Donetsk People's Republic, continuing offensive, broke through the defence of Ukrainian nationalists and took control of Panteleimonovka and reached Verkhnetoretskoye - Novoselovka-2 line.

In total, over the past day, aviation and air defence of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down 16 air targets: 1 Su-24 and Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, 1 Mi-8 helicopter and 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles, including 6 Bayraktar TB-2.

Operational-tactical, army and unmanned aviation hit 136 military infrastructure assets of Ukraine, including: 7 command posts and communication centres, 4 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3 multiple launch rocket systems, 4 radar stations for reconnaissance, target illumination and targeting of S-300 anti-aircraft missile system, 1 electronic warfare station, 4 ammunition and fuel depots and 72 areas of military equipment concentration.

Three hangars containing 4 Ukrainian Su-25 assault aircraft, 1 Mi-24 and 5 Mi-8 helicopters were destroyed at a military airfield near Kramatorsk.

In total, 156 unmanned aerial vehicles, 1,306 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 127 multiple launch rocket systems, 471 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,054 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

On the evening of March 14, units of the Russian Airborne Troops captured a strong point of nationalists and foreign mercenaries near Guta-Mezhigorskaya.

Russian paratroopers seized 10 American-made Javelin anti-tank missile systems and a number of other weapons supplied by Western countries to Ukraine.

All seized Javelin anti-tank missile systems and other foreign weapons are handed over to the units of the People's Militia of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics.

kit · Post by **kit** » 15 Mar 2022 16:06

kit · Post by **kit** » 15 Mar 2022 16:07

kit · Post by **kit** » 15 Mar 2022 16:14

kit · Post by **kit** » 15 Mar 2022 16:16

It says, for each Russian candy you buy, a bullet used against the Nazis can be made.

This is the Russian candy stand in a Chinese supermarket.

Putin is hands down THE most popular foreign leader in China.

kit · Post by **kit** » 15 Mar 2022 16:58

kit · Post by **kit** » 15 Mar 2022 17:04

kit wrote:
HOW UKRAINE IS MANIPULATING THE WAR FOR A NATO INTERVENTION

On the 11/03/2022, A TU 141 over flew the whole length of Romania. With the Romanian Airforce sighting it for just 3 mins before it vanished from their screens. It then entered Croatian airspace was sighted by the Croatian Airforce for 5 mins. Before crashing in Zagreb.

now

Just three days after the event, a drone crashed in the Tărpiu village close to the Transylvanian city of Bistrița in Romania. Unlike the UAV that crashed in Croatia, this one carried no armament. It was identified as a Russian Orlan-10 reconnaisance drone.Like Croatia, Romania is a NATO member.

and then

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brit ... 87866.html

Britain bluntly warned Vladimir Putin on Monday that he would face “war with Nato” if even a “single toecap of a Russian soldier” stepped into the territory of the military alliance’s 30 members.

Fact
The TU 141 Drone looks like a missile, and was operational with the Soviet military in the 70s and 80s. It has been decommissioned ages ago by everyone. For some reason, it was reintroduced with the Ukrainian military in 2014.

and now

Zelensky trying his best to drag in NATO

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 15 Mar 2022 19:14

Suo-Moto Statement by External Affairs Minister, Dr. S. Jaishankar in the Rajya Sabha on the “Situation in Ukraine”

23. We have reiterated at the highest levels of our leadership to all parties concerned that there is no other choice but the path of diplomacy and dialogue. We have emphasized to all member States of the UN that the global order is anchored on international law, UN Charter and respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty of states.

24. The Ukraine conflict has major economic implications. Its impact on energy and commodity prices is already visible. The disruption of global supply chain is expected to be significant. India has substantial dealings with both Russia and Ukraine. An assessment in this regard by the Government is underway. However, the House will appreciate that there is all the more need for an Atmanirbhar Bharat.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 15 Mar 2022 19:29

March 15 MOD Update
-Kherson provice/ oblast fully take over / denazification in progress

-many of the remaining airports in Ukr have been under missile attack

- paratroop drop resulted in seizure of multiple javelin systems

There is also a Ukr counter offensive in progress based on Ukr general staff

2 Ukr SU-25 shot down [unverified]

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 Mar 2022 19:45

https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/st ... -39766880/ China - Saudi weigh if payment possible for oil in Yuan on uncle sam watch

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Mar 2022 19:55

3 NATO heads of state have entered Ukraine and are heading to Kiev on a train.

As reported by breaking points by Krystal and Sagar.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 Mar 2022 20:10

various creeps having field day masquerading as journalist

If INDIA buys Russian crude oil,
INDIA should expect to be sanctioned by the United States.
And, believe me, that won’t work out so well for India’s economy.
Right now: you’re with US or you’re against us. Simple.
https://twitter.com/trish_regan/status/ ... Qkgf8aDyFw

India also abstained from the U.N. vote condemning Russia. Modi has the same ethno-nationalist justification for claiming Kashmir as Putin does for Ukraine, which is why he’s a Pooty Pal https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/statu ... Qkgf8aDyFw

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Mar 2022 20:24

Ukraine’s military strategy is brilliant. Bash your face against the Russian fist and hope there is good medical help available for reconstruction.

Meanwhile ordinary Ukrainians are paying a terrible cost.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 20:45

srikandan wrote:Ks_sachin ji,
Please pay attention to the posts by reading them. The claim is that TASS reported this incident. They did not

.TASS cited a law enforcement source as saying the woman has been detained and could be charged under legislation banning public acts that aim to "discredit the use of Russia's armed forces".

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/0 ... ogo-kanala

srikandan · Post by **srikandan** » 15 Mar 2022 21:00

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/0 ... ogo-kanala

Wish I knew russian. the translation sucks. This paper won a Nobel peace prize last year, so they are not pro-Russia given that the Nobel is political recognition by the noble white race, by their own admission and to further their own agenda. Easier to just ignore western news sources on this topic and look at actual events as and when they are confirmed. Western propaganda is useless for understanding anything we don't already know (about said sources), like if we started analyzing India today based on western news sources.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 15 Mar 2022 21:18

IndraD wrote:
India also abstained from the U.N. vote condemning Russia. Modi has the same ethno-nationalist justification for claiming Kashmir as Putin does for Ukraine, which is why he’s a Pooty Pal https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/statu ... Qkgf8aDyFw

Here is the truly sinister part: Asha Rangappa's background.

Asha Rangappa is a former Special Agent of the FBI who worked in the New York Office and specialized in counterintelligence investigations. Her work involved monitoring foreign agents working on behalf of other countries and neutralizing their activities.

https://www.leadingauthorities.com/uk/s ... a-rangappa

Clearly Tweets like this are meant to provoke responses from US-based Indians with a backbone and a sincere commitment to the truth. These poor souls will be added to a shortlist & marked for 'neutralization' as 'foreign agents'.