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Kaivalya wrote:For people who are feeling let down - please remember this fight is crazy unbalanced :

Dharmic people vs ( ShanthiDoots + OIC money + Congi looters put in place for 50-60 years in media, judiciary, state governments, central governments etc + BIF from the west + sickular trained generations on the fence)
this is not the problem, problem is lack of will and intent to fight! Where is the attitude tum ek maaro hum chaar marenge atleast should have been visible once in so many yrs! From SB to FBill to this..attitude and outlook is missing. Enemies fear attitude.
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People should also understand 1 thing, for BIF and their Handlers India is not their home, so they are happy to see it Burn. They are more dependent on economies Outside India doing well while the Dharmics are dependent on India being peaceful.

The Brain and Heart of BIF is outside India.
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I am disappointed that the forum is missing the big picture.
Please connect the dots (all public news - from this week) -
1. German foreign minister comes to TSP and tries to internationalize Kashmir issue (after a gap of at least a decade)
2.Nulund advocates secondary sanctions on India for buying Russian goods (for now opposed by her colleagues)
3.News that TSP maybe out of grey list (news from today)
4. US general saying China logistic growth on LAC impressive (egging sugar?)
5.Qatar being TSP of Arab world
6. World staring at real food shortage, mostly our erstwhile masters also feeling the pain and India refusing to repeat of 1942 famine (like rob Bengali to feed English?) - read the news how many foreign ministers have warned India against food export. You can live with a shortage of heating oil but food?

There is a bigger war going on. What can be their next move? Now in light of this look at the decisions on this side.

Prediction - TSP will get IMF loan now.
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^^^^^^^

and also out of the grey listing.
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Based on my limited knowledge and other disclaimers!!

For criminal cases,filing of FIR does not mean much until it reaches the charge-sheeting stage, which is what is going to form the court case. That is where cops in India plays crappy games for bribe or due to political reasons.

For example: a case can be dropped easily at FIR stage and records deleted, if you know the right suitcase or khadi-clad pillowcase (who bats for your cause)

Some cousin thrice removed has hired a decent lawyer once and politely went to local police station to file a case against this fine CPI-M gent giving this very derogatory speech against Lord Ayyappan:



Cops: there is no case
Lawyer: yes there is or we go to court straight
Cops: ok, let us file FIR..... but he is a sitting MLA.... sorry saar, need Kerala Speaker approval... giggle
(Kerala Speaker: CPI-M gent and very overtly so inside the assembly, so that approval is not going to happen)

Later, lawyer says, the probable response from the lower court (prone to political interference):
Court: meh.... cops says there is no case

Anyways, nothing happened and finally, the good people of Thrippunithura constituency said "screw you, a-hole" and defeated him in the 2021 assembly elections.

So the legal system of India is odd:
1) Judges claim they dont interfere in govt policy or decisions as long as it doesnt interfere with fundamental rights. If it does, "we shall strike that down with fury" followed by "Where is my Suo moto button?"
2) Also judges: let us trust the cops who are slaves of state administrations
3) Also also judges: Good cricket administration is a fundamental right

I had mentioned many moons ago that the arrogance of CPI-M in kerala can be stopped only by India (aka GoI and national BJP) and not by BJP unit at Kerala, because of these issues. The apolitical ayyappas did a 300-Spartan kind of last stand up in the hills against kerala govt/police, but the rest of Greek army never showed up. So that is that about that saga. Spin whichever way, Indian Supreme Court lost a lot of prestige, when its thunderous verdict got thrown down the river Pamba by a few lungi-clad unarmed civvies chanting fervently and survived to tell that story.

Now back to the current fracas - we can see how Maharashtra has developed a system of filing cases in their jurisdiction and issuing summons of folks from other states. My question is why cant the Shivaling abusing mullah not be hauled up by a BJP ruled state and enhanced interrogated over a few weeks?

Or is it that a few mercantile interests got a sneezing-fit when some Gelf despots started ululating in twitter and biggest democratic party in the history of the world buckled?
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fanne wrote: 1. German foreign minister comes to TSP and tries to internationalize Kashmir issue (after a gap of at least a decade)

...

3.News that TSP maybe out of grey list (news from today)

...

Prediction - TSP will get IMF loan now.
Very important points... the Kashmir jihad cause being embraced by Germany & TSP getting upgraded by FATF + IMF, just as a targeted campaign of terrorist murders in J&K is bringing about a new Hindu genocide & exodus.

The narrative of "Muslims being persecuted in Modi's Hindutva Fascist India" has been set in every mainstream Western media platform for a long time, as preparation for this moment.

The recent barking of multiple ME govts on NS's Prophet remark shows a level of synchronized orchestration far beyond the pay grade of people like Thhoo Bear or Arfa Sherwani.
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There seems to be a realisation that the recent incidents of India standing its ground and even taking on the West is only due to Modi sarkar. India under past regimes have always been pliant. The stand taken in Ukraine crisis was the final straw. Now there will be a renewed and consistent effort to foment trouble for India and the priority would be to ensure that Modi does not come back in power.
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...and what should the govt do to stop someone from fomenting trouble? Do the current steps align? Or should we go down as martyrs all gun blazing?
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This GOI has shown more willingness to pursue risky international agendas than domestic ones. So chink in the armour has always been protests at home. Keeping quiet and trying to brush the increasingly emboldened lawlessness in the name of domestic protests under the carpet will only go so far. Time is running out for MAD to decide which way they want to go with it. Offense or defense. Inaction is not an option any more.
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IndraD wrote:Prophet comment row: Culprits will be taught a lesson, NSA assures Iran https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 202_1.html
NSA Doval informed the Iranian foreign minister that wrongdoers will be dealt with at the level of the government and related bodies in a way that is a lesson to other
GoI should ask these Islamic countries condemn the illegitimate mosques built over the temples in past and all past atrocities. Have them make a statement to reciprocate mutual respect.
Also GoI should go after the maulanas and folks issuing fatwas or death threats.
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Dilbu wrote:There seems to be a realisation that the recent incidents of India standing its ground and even taking on the West is only due to Modi sarkar. India under past regimes have always been pliant. The stand taken in Ukraine crisis was the final straw. Now there will be a renewed and consistent effort to foment trouble for India and the priority would be to ensure that Modi does not come back in power.
Dilbu ji

In other news

Both bits of news will hurt a whole lot of peoples, in India and outside, progressing from oil to now include huge coal shipments.

Will the Modi govt get its required majority in the RS
Mumbai Court rejects pleas filed by Nawab Malik Chiccha and Anil Deshmukh seeking temporary bail to cast vote in Rajya Sabha elections.
Huge shipment of coal from Russia enroute to India.

Russia’s East Mining Company sends ship with 165 thousand tonnes of coal for a total volume of 2.5 million tons.
also,

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 174_1.html

Russia and India in talks to restart coking coal supplies: Report

Imports make up around 85% of India's overall coking coal needs, which total 50-55 million tonnes a year.
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fanne wrote: There is a bigger war going on. What can be their next move? Now in light of this look at the decisions on this side.
Good point.
Now do you think just by firing a spokesperson will any of the above issues can be overturned? Do you really think ME or rest of the world did all these show-off just to get NS sacked?

This has emboldened IMs and NaMo has increased the problems more. this issue will only going to escalate. There is a news in SM now that "Delhi-Kolkata National Highway near Ankurhati, Howrah was today blocked by Muslims to protest against Nupur Sharma, tires burnt, common man harassed, stones pelted. Mamata Banerjee requests Muslim groups, to unblock and Go to Delhi if you want to Protest." This might be true or might not be... But going by the attitude of Ms, I am not surprised. Won't you think this is CAA part 2 in the making?

Path to become viswaguru is not easy. If you can't control idiots inside your own country how will you manage the world. What did Namo achieve by delaying NPR, CAA? What bigger good it did by going back on farm law? What growth did it brought by stalling labour and banking reforms? At every point same reasons were given.if Farm law Was not taken, kalistanis will takeover Punjab. How come now Kalis are doing match near golden temple? Everyday one or the other issues keep happening and if you wait some golden time will come you are fool. You need to Ram things up just like what AS did in Art 370.

Had modi instead of going after his own people gone after BIF, We would not be in this situation. If congress was doing appeasement politics, BJP is is doing the same by not going after. I am ok sacking NS as long as BJP takes an iron fist and destroy these BIF who go rioting for silly issues. They provoke insult our gods openly and if responded go ballistic. This has to stop, can he, is the question people are asking. Most are confident that it won't, Hence all the sound from RW folks.
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After her visit to Pakistan the German Foreign minister cut short her trip and returned to Germany stating she had lost her sense of taste.
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Thanks Sir for your inputs and insights...

What is really mind-boggling is the intel on this. We knew beforehand of these moves and the two people were removed well before any statement from Qatar (this is how I recall it, could be wrong). In US you can feel price of food going high (easily gone up on almost all items by 25% in last 2 months).
When Europe is saying that Africa is looking at a great food shortage, that is diplomatic speak of saying Europe is looking at a great food shortage. Their ego does not allow to say that loud. That cannot be good.
For us, (we have 30-50% of naturally arable land in the world), we need food for our population (Chinese has already bought 50% of world reserve, perhaps as Covid originator, they knew the impact). Any food shortage and govt will change. It has changed for much less - Onions anyone. We also need to have our neighbor's belly full, the riot and migration may not help. Read offer to TSP last week (that TSP rejected) in the same light. BD,Nepa, SL are being helped.
I think we have already moved into new territory called food riots (part of ongoing WW III). Things as they currently stand is well past Twitter and the sacking of few people.

Edit - Also Wheat consignment that Turkey and eventually Egypt rejected was bought by European speculators. I have yet to come to a hypothesis, why they did, what they did. Was it to show India that you better sell it to us else no one will buy (or we wont allow anyone to buy it) and sell it at a price that we like (price I am not sure, it takes far less effort to print or conceive digital dollar or Euro, you can create billions of them for cost of few hundred dollars/euro). Anyone has a better theory?
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Modi/Shah/Doval (and whoever else they have on board) play a strategic game which cannot be "predicted" unless you are overhearing their weekly meetings. They do not usually do "tit for tat" responses.

Some forum posters are mostly focused on "tactics" and "incidents" reported in the media, some of which may be byproducts/collateral of MAD strategy as it plays out. But that's pretty much it. One cannot infer or understand strategies just with that info ("connecting dots" doesn't work that easily).

Fundamental disconnect.

As far as electoral politics, Modi and Shah have the pulse of the electorate like no one else. 2024 is a long way off. By then, many new development will take place (and ongoing works will be completed). There will be solid voting for NaMo (not necessarily just the BJP) in 2024 and he will be back yet again with a full majority. He recently gave a speech in which he said he is not going anywhere/not retiring, and his objective is to ensure massive coverage of welfare and civil works schemes by 2030. His priorities and path to the next electoral victory are clear in his mind.

So, most of the over-analysis and frustration expressed here is of no use and of no value. It is actually of negative value because it wastes time (a precious commodity). If you want to vent, why do it here - get a punching bag or something!
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Aditya_V wrote:
KL Dubey wrote:
Happy to answer the question. As far as I know Sundar Pichai is an ayyangar (dravida brahman) by jati.
Could not resist- is he Vadagalai or Thengalai :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Not sure, but Thenkalai perhaps ? His family seems to be from Madurai, where the vaishnava temples are thenkalai in tradition.
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The problem is MAD can boost ego of Swamy and use him to attack BIF. But they let them go
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Maj. Gaurav Arya has a reasonably balanced take on the whole ME episode. In his view this is a Muslim Brotherhood initiative, triggered via a deliberate propaganda campaign from Al Jazeera. He also urges the GOI to create a similar portal with the reach of Al Jazeera (an arm of the Qatari govt) to advance Indian points of view.

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@ndtv · 7 Jun

15 Nations Condemn Remarks On Prophet As Blowback Against India Spreads

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This is a well planned and coordinated campaign to bully and supress a huge country like India into submission. They want a voice and a say in the internal affairs of India and to influence her policies, both domestic and foreign like it was happening during the mafia famiglia BIF regime.

They are trying to collectively weaponize izlamophobia and use it as an instrument of state policy.

India is the lab where they are trying it out. They will target UCC, NRC and CAA
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Its a failure of India's state and foreign policy.
China is doing a lot worse and yet...

For anyone who thinks that vikas will change the way peacefuls behave this should be rude azan call.
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KL Dubey wrote:Modi/Shah/Doval (and whoever else they have on board) play a strategic game which cannot be "predicted" unless you are overhearing their weekly meetings. They do not usually do "tit for tat" responses.

Some forum posters are mostly focused on "tactics" and "incidents" reported in the media, some of which may be byproducts/collateral of MAD strategy as it plays out. But that's pretty much it. One cannot infer or understand strategies just with that info ("connecting dots" doesn't work that easily).

Fundamental disconnect.

As far as electoral politics, Modi and Shah have the pulse of the electorate like no one else. 2024 is a long way off. By then, many new development will take place (and ongoing works will be completed). There will be solid voting for NaMo (not necessarily just the BJP) in 2024 and he will be back yet again with a full majority. He recently gave a speech in which he said he is not going anywhere/not retiring, and his objective is to ensure massive coverage of welfare and civil works schemes by 2030. His priorities and path to the next electoral victory are clear in his mind.

So, most of the over-analysis and frustration expressed here is of no use and of no value. It is actually of negative value because it wastes time (a precious commodity). If you want to vent, why do it here - get a punching bag or something!
Well , even in 2004 BJP had achieved a lot of economic success but failures of IC 814 , Kargil , Agra Summit , Kaluchak attack , Parliament attack were on top of mind of electorate for more time than a lot of BJP strategists would have liked. If we all are entitled to our analysis , then BJP will lose next few assembly elections on trot and even nomination of Modi for 2024 will be unlikely. While Chankians , strategists in awe of MAD may overlook the brazen killings of BJP workers , Hindus in post poll violence of Bengal along with capitulations on CAA , NRC and farm bills , voters generally know how to get back at leaders who renege from their crafted image. It does not mean that loyal BJP voters will vote for opposition , simply not turning up will ensure BJPs rout. One cannot sweep away the blood under diplomatic or economic carpet. It always leaves a trace as a reminder.
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vimal wrote:Its a failure of India's state and foreign policy.
China is doing a lot worse and yet...

For anyone who thinks that vikas will change the way peacefuls behave this should be rude azan call.

That’s the difference between a 3 trillion and a 12 trillion economy.

When we cross 7-8 trillion these camel riders will not say much and let there attack dog( apologies to dogs) speak
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Atmavik wrote:
vimal wrote:Its a failure of India's state and foreign policy.
China is doing a lot worse and yet...

For anyone who thinks that vikas will change the way peacefuls behave this should be rude azan call.

That’s the difference between a 3 trillion and a 12 trillion economy.

When we cross 7-8 trillion these camel riders will not say much and let there attack dog( apologies to dogs) speak
Meh thats the same level of excuse. We are abused because we are poor, we are poor because we were abused.
What we do internally is our own matter. Stop pussyfooting around it and grow a spine.
Time and demographics is not on our side. By the time we are 12 trillion it would be under the flags of caliphates.
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https://www.primepost.in/annamalai-is-super-hit-in-tn/
In Annamalai, TN BJP struck Gold, say political experts
Chennai: K. Annamalai turns 38, and here are few glimpses about TN BJP position. When many senior leaders in Tami Nadu are kept aside by the party high command appointing a young leader, Annamali, as State BJP President, it surprised everyone, but it appears to be working fine for saffron in TN. Opting for a young leader is helping the party to infuse young blood into the party.

Who is Annamalai?

Born in a farmer’s family in Karur in 1984, Annamalai joined government service as an IPS officer in 2011 and served in various places, particularly in Karnataka for more than 8 years. Known to be incorruptible, he is famed to be a motivational speaker who can speak Kannada, English, Hindi and Tamil, Annamalai, quit the government service in 2019 and joined the BJP in 2020. Hailed as “Singham” for his straight forward functioning, he was made as TN BJP State president in 2021.
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Vlogger Who Abused Mamata Banerjee, Her Nephew Arrested In Goa
Updated: June 07, 2022 6:58 pm IST

An FIR was lodged under various sections of the IPC against vlogger Roddur Roy after a complaint was filed by TMC spokesperson Riju Dutta
Kolkata: A team of the Kolkata Police on Tuesday afternoon arrested vlogger Roddur Roy from Goa on charges of abusing Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee and her nephew, TMC MP Abhishek Banerjee, during a Facebook Live session, a senior officer of the force said.
"He was arrested this afternoon by our officers in Goa. He will be brought to Kolkata on transit remand. Our officers will produce him at a local court there for the remand," the police officer said.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/vlogger ... ce-3046360

For all those who keep saying BJP needs more time to control the state machinery, here is an example how it's done.
If you notice it's not momta doing the dirty work, it's her b-team, exactly what BJP should be doing. Also the arrest made in Goa which is under BJP :oops:
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BIF/Jihadis/International Nazi white alliance/media keep pressure on Modi so that Jihadis/media/judges cry 24x7 against any action on the eco system. They want them to riot/murder and disrupt governance 24x7. Modi cares too much about his image or can't deal with his Delhi police. Then BJP states have to do it. No one wants to take a hit for Modi
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Mohammad Zubair, who runs a controversial pro-Islamist portal with Prateek Sinha,largely on donations riding on controversies, curiously tax-exempted by the government of Hindu-majority India was found participating in the beginning, middle and end of this global campaign initiated by IOSPI which was also involved in promoting the banning of French goods after the beheading of Samuel Paty, a school teacher by Islamists. The sustained media campaign in India which initially called the quoting of a section of Islamic scriptures verbatim, uncivil, then rude, then distasteful and eventually joined the bandwagon calling it derogatory to Islam.
This guy got away .. no responsibility
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Pashupatastra wrote:
Well , even in 2004 BJP had achieved a lot of economic success but failures of IC 814 , Kargil , Agra Summit , Kaluchak attack , Parliament attack were on top of mind of electorate for more time than a lot of BJP strategists would have liked. If we all are entitled to our analysis , then BJP will lose next few assembly elections on trot and even nomination of Modi for 2024 will be unlikely. While Chankians , strategists in awe of MAD may overlook the brazen killings of BJP workers , Hindus in post poll violence of Bengal along with capitulations on CAA , NRC and farm bills , voters generally know how to get back at leaders who renege from their crafted image. It does not mean that loyal BJP voters will vote for opposition , simply not turning up will ensure BJPs rout. One cannot sweep away the blood under diplomatic or economic carpet. It always leaves a trace as a reminder.
Not that I get into these unfounded debates much, but 2004 is ancient history - another era by now.

That was not Modi, it was ABV back then. He had to huff and puff to just complete a term after being pulled off the chair twice before in 1996 and 1998. Gains were made in the 1999-2004 period, but absolutely nothing on the scale of what Modi is doing.

All these rona-dhona arguments have been made before...2014 and 2019. No different this time.

The Indian electorate will be absolute fools if they don't reward Modi in 2024 for (among many things) having brought India roaring back from the coronavirus pandemic. I do not think the electorate is that foolish any more.
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^^
I do not think the electorate is that foolish any more.
Don't tempt fate bro. There are a lot of secular Notas in this nation.
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I hope people remember that one of Modi's first acts post-2014 was the NJAC. That would have helped assure a sense of neutrality of the judiciary when it came to filing and prosecuting cases. We all know how that turned out. But bottom-line is, Modi had his strategy correct, but couldn't win that battle.
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arshyam wrote:I hope people remember that one of Modi's first acts post-2014 was the NJAC. That would have helped assure a sense of neutrality of the judiciary when it came to filing and prosecuting cases. We all know how that turned out. But bottom-line is, Modi had his strategy correct, but couldn't win that battle.
time to take it up again
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Did all of you notice in the massive global indignation on Nupur Sharma's comments there is ZERO discussion on the actual comments itself? The muslims claim it's an insult and the RoW accepts it on face value without ever questioning WHY is it an insult. That's the trick BJP missed, and many others too. Why is it insulting to quote muslim texts and scholars verbatim? That's IMO the right way to defend NS and others who speak out, which BJP could have done in a number of ways cleverly without getting directly involved. If you take the debate there, the defenders of RoP will deflate and scurry away. Oh well...
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Consciously or implicitly the Hindu community believes in both Raj Dharma - rule of the sovereign and Raja anugnya - obeying the sovereign. Hindu way of life shuns violence and restricts/delegates it to specific organs of the state. The rest of the population is not violent by nature and by conditioning. It's a conscious civilisational and social choice of this land.

This is a fundamental truth secularists who are living on a borrowed European concept of secularism ignore or deny. They start with the assumption that people are fundamentally prone to violence and the majority will by default use it on the minority, which is 100% true for Europe but not at all for India and its Hindu majority society.

But when the sovereign state fails to protect Hindus who have reposed their right to self defense and offense in it, while pandering to those who haven't shunned violence, the state will be seen as abdicating it's duty to protect the peaceful majority. And if the majority starts taking matters into its own hands, the state will not be in control anymore. Already there are voices of eminently Dharmic people calling for it.

I hope the Govt is able to foresee the consequences of its actions and inactions on the majority.
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Just look at the social turmoil over the centuries of any large populous country except India. All those societies without exception have gone through multiple extremely voilent political upheavals ranging from revolutions to genocides - irrespective of what political ideology was in vogue. Which leads me to believe that the propensity to violence is not determined by the flavour of politics at all.

In just the past century the colonial wars, two world wars, communist purges in USSR and China, dictatorships, ME conflicts have all been extremely voilent at a scale and spread never ever seen in India over millennia. The US and NATO countries have to find external venting points to let off their societies' need for voilence. Hence the enthusiasm to start wars anywhere on the planet with any excuse.

With all this pseudo secular BS policies if India loses its Hindu civilisational moorings and gets into the unhinged societal voilence mentality like the RoW it won't be a good thing.

Feeling let down by what is seen as a pro Hindu govt means the Hindu society sees it's protection by the state as a hopeless expectation and will be tempted to take a different path than non-violence. Does it guarantee better outcomes for the majority no one knows, but it's a civilisational shift that cannot be undone.
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On Prophet row, Iran removes its version of meeting with NSA Ajit Doval
Iran has taken down an earlier press statement which mentioned that India has assured of taking action against those responsible for making derogatory remarks against Prophet Mohammed.

MEA spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said during a press conference on the issue, "Usually I don't like to comment on senior dignitaries and on the meeting between NSA and Iranian Foreign Minister. My understanding is that what you are referring to in a readout has been pulled down (by the Iran Foreign Ministry). "We have made it pretty clear that the tweets and comments don't reflect the views of the government. This has been conveyed to our interlocutors as also the fact that action has been taken by the concerned quarters against those who made the comments and tweets."
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