Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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dnivas wrote: On my few visits to Omsk and Novasibirisk, there are still many military towns that have minimal staff [just keeping the lights on]. When push comes to shove, i think a lot of plants can be restarted with not much of a budget. what I noticed is that there is a lot of jugaad in Russia. Pretty much every car in smaller towns are fixit types and they keep running pretty reliably. if I was a military planner , I would already start sending funds out to start refurbishing and consolidating these plants.

There are also quite a few Weapon factories in the regions 'liberated' which could be moved more inland.
I've been to some of these cities myself - Novosibirsk a few times, and agree. Russia, like India, survives on jugaad.
The reason many of these facilities have minimal staff is that they are designed to become full fledged units on full mobilization.

Apparently, just before the war, or when it started, a lot of armaments plants put out ads for workers. There are a large number technically qualified women who can work and are under employed. Factories are all apparently running 24 hours now.
Russia is also getting the railway network in Donetsk/Luhansk to handle larger volumes. The current constraint is a shortage of trucks to move large volumes from a railhead about 200 km away from the front, to units at the front.

Ukraine's problem is that its armaments plants are being destroyed. Plants that are operational can come to a halt if one component supplied by a plant that has been destroyed, does not arrive.
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dnivas wrote:[
dean brought out an interesting number, if the war monger inc can send 1 million units of 152 ammo, how much are taken out in the staging areas and what percent is taken out in the front lines. I should not forget pilferage as well. so really how much actually ends up being used.
NATO has supplied 2 kinds of material.

1. Old Soviet era weapons - These are all supplied. I don't think any East Europe country wants to take the risk of restarting a factory.
2.1 Weapons from NATO stocks that can be spared. They will be replaced by fresh orders at inflated prices, on MIC companies.
This is also largely done. US and Germany have said nothing more can be spared. Poland sent 200 tanks without getting any replacements yet.
2.2 New orders placed directly on companies. These are very small in number. ( $3 Bln in 5 years, of which most is training/spares etc).

The amount of western supplied weapons supplied making it to the front, will in my opinion, only decrease as Russia gets better intel on supply routes and storage locations and transport routes are reduced (e.g. bridges or rail lines destroyed) which make interdiction easier.

At the same time, Ukrainian armaments are being depleted rapidly.

In the longer term, NATO can outspend Russia and send far more armaments, provided they are willing to spend a lot more than Russia AND Ukraine has enough manpower to absorb the new material. I don't see either happening, unless Russia suffers quick defeats.

I think the most likely scenario is that Russia liberates the whole of the Donbass in another 2 months. They would have a buffer of say 50 km from the border of the Donbass, to protect it from shelling. Russia would be very close to surrounding Kharkiv, Sumy, Nikolaev, Krivih Rih and Zaparozhye so the economy of those towns would be at a standstill. Russian forces dig in and occupy the current Ukrainian defensive lines. Then they say they are ready for peace talks and a ceasefire.
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Some good sites to understand what is happening with the Ukrainian counter attack towards Kherson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEPIkSRcRno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYsTg_rrnVQ

Both provide daily updates. Dima at the Military summary channel is more detailed.

In summary. Ukraine attacked in 3 brigade sized groups, at 4 places.
In the two thrusts in the southern part of the front, they were stopped with heavy losses.

Their best advance was out of the bridgehead at Adeevka - they advanced 5-8 km (depending on how you measure the start line). They were stopped after they broke the first Russian defensive line, but continued to try to advance the next day. They seem to have retreated from there, almost back to the starting point.
In the north, Ukraine made a limited advance and tried to surround a Russian BTG in an exposed salient (a month ago they tried to surround 2 Russian BTG's in the same area). They have so far failed, but the Russian force is cut off.

The Russians claim 1700 Ukies `destroyed' and 45 each of tanks & APC's destroyed. The destroyed numbers may be inflated or include seriously
wounded. However, there video evidence of destroyed tanks (new Polish T-72s) and anecdotal evidence of all hospitals in the area being full of wounded, people asked to donate blood as far away as Odessa, doctors saying they have not seen so many wounded etc.

There was also an attempt today by Ukrainian special forces to seize the nuclear plant at Zaparozhe (which they were shelling earlier). 2 groups of commandos, about 50-60 each tried to cross the river by boat. Some of the boats were hit, the survivors engaged by Russian troops on their side of the river. Apparently, most are dead. 3 POW taken. Rest holed up and being attacked by the Russians.
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From a pro Ru telegram channel:
https://t.me/loordofwar/39963
That the AFU are silent about it legends some credence to this account:
And so what happened today in Energodar. The landing operation was supposed to be the icing on the cake of the Kherson offensive. The Armed Forces of Ukraine prepared it for a long time, trained landings from boats, carefully masked the preparatory measures (which did not prevent our intelligence from carefully monitoring them).

And even though the Kherson offensive operation itself did not go according to plan, the capture of Energdar by a river assault was supposed to neutralize the negative consequences of huge losses and, in general, at the moment, an extremely unsuccessful attempt at a counteroffensive.

As a result, early this morning, 2 barges and up to 30 boats of the Ukrainian landing force began to cross the Dnieper and crossed it directly into a prepared ambush, where Russian Guard soldiers and army aviation were already waiting for them.

One barge was burned right on the way, parts of the landing force were allowed to land on the shore, pressed down by fire and began to methodically and cold-bloodedly destroy. Now up to 60 corpses of Ukrainian fighters of the most elite units lie on the shore, the beauty and pride of the ZSU. The rest swim in the river and feed the fat Dnieper crayfish.

There were instructors from NATO countries, we will find out after examining the corpses, it is quite possible that they were. In any case, the landing operation will go down in the golden annals of the most disastrous operations, and drowned men in the form of Zbroynyh forces emerging from the waters of the Dnieper at night will be part of Little Russian folklore for a long time to come.
I think there's lot of discord between AFU leaders and Kiev regime gang, and the details of this op were leaked to RU to get smashed by such an organised and tailored ambush response which also takes lot of planning and preparation.

Leaks in the opposite direction seem to be almost non-existent, wonder how Russians are able to manage that!
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Russia warns US off sending long-range weapons to Ukraine
MOSCOW (AP) — A senior Russian diplomat sternly warned Washington Friday against supplying long-range weapons to Ukraine, noting that the U.S. is balancing on the edge of direct involvement in the conflict.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov also pointed to the country’s military doctrine that envisages the use of nuclear weapons in case of a threat to the existence of the Russian state.

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I am not hearing much from the usual suspects about the Kherson offensive. Earlier there were tons of reports on how they had destroyed 2 bridges and the Russians were cut off and Banian-sky was going to chase them to Moscow…
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^^^
in their defence they are saying this offensive will take time. 4 days is too less to judge it.
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Actually Ukr has imposed a total information black out on the Kherson counter offensive to prevent Ru from knowing their positions :roll: :rotfl:

A second special forces attack was attempted on ZNPP today and was beaten back by Ru with ambushes, heli fire and arty fire on escaping Ukr troops. I mean an approach over water in inflatable boats and huge slow moving barges offers no cover and offers their presumably elite soldiers as target practice for trainee gunners.

Moreover why the hell would they repeat a failed tactic, with IAEA PPL staying back at ZNPP?

Kiev regime is going nuts it seems...
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NSFW alert

Here is video of death Ukie's on river bank.
Just sad. These guys train hard for months, cross a river and end up wiped out. The passports and the loads of 100 dollar bills is kinda shocking.

https://rumble.com/embed/v1fszub
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dnivas wrote:NSFW alert

Here is video of death Ukie's on river bank.
Just sad. These guys train hard for months, cross a river and end up wiped out. The passports and the loads of 100 dollar bills is kinda shocking.

https://rumble.com/embed/v1fszub
Those Scar-L rifles worth thousands of dollars each.
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How Pakistan is aiding the Ukranian offensive ; all chummy with the original ukies
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dnivas wrote:NSFW alert

Here is video of death Ukie's on river bank.
Just sad. These guys train hard for months, cross a river and end up wiped out. The passports and the loads of 100 dollar bills is kinda shocking.

https://rumble.com/embed/v1fszub
What is remarkable in the video is the lack of visible injuries amongst the dead.
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Gosh ! Looks like they were thrown about like dolls by an immense blast/shock wave to perish like that, bodies thrown around in trees etc. They may have died instantly without realising what hit them. What kind of munitions can do that ? Very sad.

The dollar wads are to pay or bribe for food/meds/ride etc in case they have to escape by foot to get back to base I think. Doesn't surprise me.
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Cyrano wrote:Gosh ! Looks like they were thrown about like dolls by an immense blast/shock wave to perish like that, bodies thrown around in trees etc. They may have died instantly without realising what hit them. What kind of munitions can do that ? Very sad.

The dollar wads are to pay or bribe for food/meds/ride etc in case they have to escape by foot to get back to base I think. Doesn't surprise me.
$ bills are a standard NATO practice - for pilots who might be shot down in enemy territory for e.g.
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Cyrano wrote:Gosh ! Looks like they were thrown about like dolls by an immense blast/shock wave to perish like that, bodies thrown around in trees etc. They may have died instantly without realising what hit them. What kind of munitions can do that ? Very sad.

The dollar wads are to pay or bribe for food/meds/ride etc in case they have to escape by foot to get back to base I think. Doesn't surprise me.
The bodies were lying by the riverbank. It's possible their boat was hit (Russians say that in the 2nd raid, SU-35s and KA-52s attacked the boats).
The blast may have blown them overboard where they drowned, as the shock would have prevented them from swimming. The bodies would have then floated on shore.
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Cyrano wrote:Gosh ! Looks like they were thrown about like dolls by an immense blast/shock wave to perish like that, bodies thrown around in trees etc. They may have died instantly without realising what hit them. What kind of munitions can do that ? Very sad.

The dollar wads are to pay or bribe for food/meds/ride etc in case they have to escape by foot to get back to base I think. Doesn't surprise me.
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Ukraine's GDOP in 2020 was 160 Bn USD. Ukraine govt. spending to GDP ration is 0.18 > Ukraine government spent 2-3 Bn USD per month every year till now.

A war economy will need to spend as much or more. So Ukraine would be needing 2bn USD/mth in worse possible case & 4-5 Bn USD/mth in a good case. The total proceeds from US for govt spending has been atleast 4.5 bn USD (from August). Add what EU must have provided - we have somewhere atleast 6+ bn USD with Ukraine that they must have enough to cover Aug/Sep/Oct spending (given Ukraine's GDP is still producing). But in Winters from Nov - spend required will be higher (higher fuel req.) and production in economy will also be lower.

US govt has already moved bill to provide for another 11 bn USD. This would cover the winters possibly & more weapons supply.

Given its not just weapons but also govt. spending that Ukraine is consuming time is running out on Ukrainian govt. With abundant oil supplies - Russian will hv a higher hand in winter ops. So the offensive is atleast in part of the fact that clock is running out on Ukraine. Western support is not indefinite.

The initial influx of donations from around the world must have also waned and therefore US grants are all the more important.

Even if Washington keeps the tap on in 2023, the flow will reduce and the relative strength that Ukraine has is probably at its highest. The Russians have spent their ammunition/supplies and are now trying to maintain some sustainable levels. Influx of arms, training & intelligence has given Ukraine the much needed boost. That is why Ukraine thinks its their best chance to counter.

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Europe has announced a 5 bn euro package for winters !
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Cyrano wrote:Gosh ! Looks like they were thrown about like dolls by an immense blast/shock wave to perish like that, bodies thrown around in trees etc. They may have died instantly without realising what hit them. What kind of munitions can do that ? Very sad.

The dollar wads are to pay or bribe for food/meds/ride etc in case they have to escape by foot to get back to base I think. Doesn't surprise me.
From the video, I am not sure if this was the first or second crossing. In the second crossing, SU30 and KA52 were employed as the boats were approaching. So could just be a bunch of dumb bombs tossing these guys around.

I could see a little bit of blood on one of the guys. rest of them looks like the other footage i posted of men dead in trenches.No visible blood trails
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NATO coming out:

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This is not the first time someone from NATO or the west has stated this. A lot of info is on public record in US, UK, EU. Don't forget that Trump's first impeachment hearings were all entered on Ukraine happenings. Everybody was and is dipping into the pot there. The MSM has been bought and no one dares or cares to write about the rape of Ukraine to spite Russia anymore.
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Right on cue Baniansky is claiming advances and having captured villages in Kherson. UK MoD claiming Russian troops are not paid , low morale and will revolt….

In short the advance seems to not have yielded expected gains.
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Tanaji wrote:Right on cue Baniansky is claiming advances and having captured villages in Kherson. UK MoD claiming Russian troops are not paid , low morale and will revolt….
There are not more than a few hundred Russian POW in Ukraine, despite Russians being offered big financial incentives to defect and probably life in the EU. The last POW exchange had just 144 exchanged on each side, as Ukraine could not offer more Russian POW (data on their website listing POWs has been removed). In contrast, back in June, Russia held 6000 and the DPR/LPR another 8000 Ukrainian prisoners.
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Russians would have pumped whatever info they can get from these PoWs, Ukraine will show no interest getting them back. They actually shelled the camp where Azovstal prisoners were being held and killed many a few weeks ago.
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Cyrano wrote:Russians would have pumped whatever info they can get from these PoWs, Ukraine will show no interest getting them back. They actually shelled the camp where Azovstal prisoners were being held and killed many a few weeks ago.
More than 50 authentic (as per Ukraine channels) videos of Ukrainian units saying they are fed up of the war, no supplies, poor leadership etc. The whole unit is filmed, so action can't be taken against an individual. No videos from the Russian units. So I would not take seriously western media claims that the RA is about to collapse from poor morale etc.

Throughout Russian history, the Russian soldier has been poorly trained, badly equipped and horribly led. They still won every war, which was a long campaign, as this one is, because they learnt from early mistakes, as they are doing now.
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Another update by Alexander Mercouris
Russia Resumes Donbass Advance, Ukraine Kherson Offensive Stops; Europe Self Made Gas Crisis Deepens

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Let's do a Bruce Lee style Jeet Kune Do now after 6 months and frame general lessons about war
Borrow/Learn the best from others
Throw out the worst you have
Get better at what you do best

Thouhgts?
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Ukraine has launched 2 more offensives yesterday.
In Kherson, they are doubling down on their previous (failed) offensive and have sent in another 20,000 men, mostly reservists in the 2 areas where they took some territory earlier. Coupled with that is a serious effort to knock out the bridges across the Dnieper, supplying the Russians

2nd attack is west of Izyum and attempts to cut off the main supply route running through Izyum. The Ukrainians made made an initial breakthrough (acknowledged by Russia), taking Verbivka (on the front) and cutting off Balakliya. They are 15km away from the main M03 highway supplying Izyum.

Russians have sent reinforcements to both areas. Next 2 days will tell us if Ukraine has been successful. I think this is a last serious effort by Ukraine to push back the Russians.
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Wasn't the UK training 10000 Ukrainians per month?

These men should be returning the the country to be used in combat operations.

Kherson, could be the place where such personal will be used.
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Deans wrote:Ukraine has launched 2 more offensives yesterday.
In Kherson, they are doubling down on their previous (failed) offensive and have sent in another 20,000 men, mostly reservists in the 2 areas where they took some territory earlier. Coupled with that is a serious effort to knock out the bridges across the Dnieper, supplying the Russians

2nd attack is west of Izyum and attempts to cut off the main supply route running through Izyum. The Ukrainians made made an initial breakthrough (acknowledged by Russia), taking Verbivka (on the front) and cutting off Balakliya. They are 15km away from the main M03 highway supplying Izyum.

Russians have sent reinforcements to both areas. Next 2 days will tell us if Ukraine has been successful. I think this is a last serious effort by Ukraine to push back the Russians.

Deans,

I am intrigued by this "sent in reinforcements" thingy. One of the fundamental rules of combat is that once you have captured an objective you then plan how you will defend it and as part of that process think through how the enemy might seek to redress the loss of the objective.

This also includes an appreciation of your supply lines and the critical infra needed to keep these open.

All these UKR advances surely would be anticipated yes?

What gives, or am I reading too much into it?
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The front line being over a 1000 kms long, it can't be equally defended after capture everywhere. Russia is right to keep mobile forces to reinforce where necessary and in response to AFU action.

A second reason is that in most of the currently occupied territory, the people are overwhelmingly pro-Russian, therefore they can afford to not have a heavy presence everywhere.

Besides all other intel, Russia also relies on the inputs from locals in these regions on enemy movements, saboteurs, spies etc. because they all speak the same language and look alike, which has not been the case in several recent conflicts like Iraq or Afg.

By and large RA has had very good intel (except perhaps for the first few weeks depending on which explanation you prefer) as evidenced by the low number of terrorist/sabotage activities in the rear. Russians are able to get advanced notice of enemy movements I think, seeing how they were well prepared and thwarted the Kherson counter and ZNPP attacks.
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ks_sachin wrote:
Deans,

I am intrigued by this "sent in reinforcements" thingy. One of the fundamental rules of combat is that once you have captured an objective you then plan how you will defend it and as part of that process think through how the enemy might seek to redress the loss of the objective.

This also includes an appreciation of your supply lines and the critical infra needed to keep these open.

All these UKR advances surely would be anticipated yes?

What gives, or am I reading too much into it?
Izyum - A very pro Russia telegram channel (which I normally disregard for its bias) is calling the Ukrainian offensive towards Izyum a `serious
operational crisis'. Possible the most serious moment for Russia since April. They ask why, when the accumulation of Ukrainian troops east of Izyum
was known at least a couple of weeks back, was the area manned only by reservists of the LPR. There is a Russian guards tank division refitting nearby, which could have been used at the outset. Russia's official telegram channel is taking about the bravery of 2 companies of men who are `defending Balakliya to the end' (a sure sign that they effed up badly).
(see google map) - in one day, the Ukrainians advanced from Andriivka to take Verbivka, crossed a river, to surround the important logistics junction of Balakliya and then advance to Volokhiv Yar - cutting off the supply route from Russia to Izyum (M03 highway). They also captured an ammo dump. Russia says they managed to hit the HQ coordinating the whole offensive.

Kherson - I think there is a limit to the number of men Russia can support in Kherson, West of the Donetsk, because the bridges are no longer functioning (repeated HIMARS strikes) and there seem to be problems with pontoon bridges too. There are ferries operating, but capacity is limited. There are probably around 20,000 men in combat formations West of the Dnieper and around 15,000 to the East, who are the reinforcements.
Veterans in Russia are commenting that in WW-2, the Red army built multiple pontoon bridges in the same place, in 6 days and maintained them despite constant Luftwaffe bombing.
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Cyrano wrote:The front line being over a 1000 kms long, it can't be equally defended after capture everywhere. Russia is right to keep mobile forces to reinforce where necessary and in response to AFU action.

A second reason is that in most of the currently occupied territory, the people are overwhelmingly pro-Russian, therefore they can afford to not have a heavy presence everywhere.

Besides all other intel, Russia also relies on the inputs from locals in these regions on enemy movements, saboteurs, spies etc. because they all speak the same language and look alike, which has not been the case in several recent conflicts like Iraq or Afg.

By and large RA has had very good intel (except perhaps for the first few weeks depending on which explanation you prefer) as evidenced by the low number of terrorist/sabotage activities in the rear. Russians are able to get advanced notice of enemy movements I think, seeing how they were well prepared and thwarted the Kherson counter and ZNPP attacks.
It may be 1000km long but any tactical gains by Ukr that feed into its overall strategy will be at select places like supply lines / ammo dumps / Russian command centres.

Plus also does UKR have the forces to launch willy nilly attacks across a 1000 km front?

Plus if the intel is as good as you say it is then Russia will have a good idea of the ToE of the opposing forces. The ToE will dictate to an extent the kind of ops and therefore to an extent where. Its a game of chess.
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Cyrano wrote:The front line being over a 1000 kms long, it can't be equally defended after capture everywhere. Russia is right to keep mobile forces to reinforce where necessary and in response to AFU action.
In the case of Izyum, Russia had, on the same day, started its own offensive operation North East of Kharkiv and West of the Severo-Donetsk river.
The Guards tank division which was the mobile reserve, was tasked with either exploiting any breakthrough there, or from another Russian offensive south of Izyum. That division was caught on the wrong foot, when Ukraine attacked from an unexpected direction.

That said, Russian analysts have been listing the ORBAT of Ukrainian forces in the Kharkiv area and the movement of new units into the area where the current offensive has started.
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From a pro Russia analyst:
"The situation in Balakliya is not good, the area is essentially cut-off, despite a lot of bravado and statements on pro-Russian channels.
What really amazes me is that there has been open knowledge about this attack for weeks, and at least to an outsider, Russia has been caught with its pants around its ankles. It's actually unbelievable.

I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but wow, this is a failure on a grand scale and raises serious questions in my own mind about the state of the Russian Armed forces and intelligence, it almost appears that the Donetsk forces have been left to their own devices. So yes, call me an armchair general, but there are some serious problems when you can't prepare for a much published offensive".
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All this talk of arty and HIMARS and PGMs and Russian production capacity for missiles etc is fine, but to capture and hold territory, you need the humble well trained and supported infantryman.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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The Iyzum attack is apparently being carried out by a brigade equivalent of men trained in the UK - the first batch. They are infantry trained to
NATO standard. They are supported by a regiment of Polish T-72s, manned by foreign fighters - most likely ex Polish army. These are the best men Ukraine can field.

Sachin - Your point on infantry is I think the single biggest reason Russia is not making progress. They do not have enough infantry and cannot get enough if they do not mobilize. There are still not enough volunteers because people in the larger cities still do not believe this is an existentialist crisis for Russia - Putin has failed to build up Patriotic fervor for the war - he enjoys support, but not to the extent that people will volunteer to fight in Ukraine. On the other hand, Ukraine significantly outnumbers Russia in infantry. They have mobilised all former conscripts. 3 months refresher training is enough to make them infantrymen. They are liberally equipped with ATGMs and machine guns and are defending prepared positions.
The Donetsk and Luhansk militia will lose interest once their territory is liberated (Luhansk already is). Russia failed to have compulsory conscription in Crimea since 2014, though it faced the real threat of a Ukrainian invasion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuX1f0J ... rt_radio=1

Good summary of what is happening with the Izyum offensive of Ukraine.
This guy is from Belarus and does a daily update which is the most detailed and accurate one I've seen.

An interesting point analysts make is that the Russian army is technically in Ukraine at the invitation of the DPR & LPR. Those republics have provided the bulk of the infantry in the Donbass (which compliment the Russian BTGs which are infantry light) and get to decide which part of the front gets priority. There is apparently some friction now, since the LPR militia were sent to the Kharkov region and faced the brunt of the current Ukrainian offensive, with Russia forming a layered defense, keeping its own troops in the rear, to engage once the Ukrainian thrust was fully committed.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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An interesting point analysts make is that the Russian army is technically in Ukraine at the invitation of the DPR & LPR
Then how do they justify occupying Zaphoriziya and Kherson regions? This was a justification only to initiate the SMO. Now six months into it, no one really cares about justifications on either side. So to say Russia is modulating its response based on that seems like a stretch.

Russia has done two things recently, Putin has got the Duma to approve Russian military to increase its force rise by some 180K troops. And a third Russian army has been sent to bolster the SMO. They will rotate some of their deployed troops, and reinforce where necessary, both men and equipment.

I'm still not convinced Russia has under mobilised troops if we consider that they are still pursuing the same objectives of 6 months ago. Freeing Donbass - LPR done, DPR around 70%. Demilitarisation- on going, Ukr forces are falling over themselves to reach the front line and get destroyed. Their own equipment is largely gone, surviving on donated vehicles, artillery and armour, which is also getting destroyed faster than the west can replenish. Most of their mil factories and workshops are destroyed. Even command structure is partially gone, though a lot of it still remains intact in central and western Ukraine which Russia is not seriously attacking except some missile strikes now and then. Foreign mercenaries are dwindling. Contracted soldiers from US, Poland etc are said to be manning M777s, HIMARS and tanks - plausible because with just a few weeks of training AFU troops cant use them effectively. The losses of various militias are hard to gauge, but Azov is in PoW jails, Kraken etc are taking losses regularly.

All this doesn't mean with the tremendous intel, planning and command support NATO is giving, Ukraine cannot score any tactical victories and push back here and there. They are doing it here and there. But to what end? Ukraine's objectives are not clear. They go all the way from retaking everything including Crimea as per Zsky to occupying Moscow as per some airheads. And everything in between depending on whom you ask in Ukraine, NATO or the west.

One thing is sure, neither side is looking for an immediate decisive overall victory. So while we as observers may want the movie to fast fwd towards some resolution before the popcorn is over, the protagonists are continuing to grapple trying to gain a significant edge over the other on the battle field and various other political motives outside it.

Dragging only plays into Putin's hands, because he has got/has been given an energy chokehold on Europe, and his overall aim is to push back NATO and cut down Europe's belligerence to size. The SMO is but one of his means to achieve that. And as the energy crisis grows, Europe will see an economic disaster, civil and political unrest and it will be its turn to face some existential questions. Meanwhile they will continue demilitarisation at a pace that suits them, and in a manner that minimises their own losses.

I hope EU leaders wake up, listen to their people and start de-escalating, make some distance from US and focus on diplomatic means to push towards resolution.
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Cyrano wrote:
An interesting point analysts make is that the Russian army is technically in Ukraine at the invitation of the DPR & LPR
Then how do they justify occupying Zaphoriziya and Kherson regions? This was a justification only to initiate the SMO. Now six months into it, no one really cares about justifications on either side. So to say Russia is modulating its response based on that seems like a stretch.
I think occupying Zaphrozhya and Kherson (and about half of Kharkov) is to strengthen Russia's negotiating position at any peace talks. Ukraine will agree to losing the whole of DPR & LPR (pre war only half was semi independent) if the alternative is losing 5 provinces.
Zaphrozhye provides a land bridge to Crimea and makes the Sea of Azov a Russian lake.
Kherson secures the water supply for Crimea and the area was historically Russian, with a large pro Russian population. It also increases Russia's
exclusive economic zone in the Black sea and oil drilling rights.
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