https://theprint.in/defence/russian-def ... t/1087006/
18 Aug 2022
Upgrades would include more better radar & integration of electronic warfare abilities. Russia also hopeful of inking deal with India to supply 12 more Su-30 MKIs and 21 MiG-29s.
Upgrades would include more better radar & integration of electronic warfare abilities. Russia also hopeful of inking deal with India to supply 12 more Su-30 MKIs and 21 MiG-29s.
The additional MKIs and MiG-29s will be great. I hope the upgrade is done internally with Sukhoi paid consultation fees.Rakesh wrote:Russian defence industry team to visit India soon for talks on upgrading IAF’s Sukhoi fleet
https://theprint.in/defence/russian-def ... t/1087006/
18 Aug 2022
Upgrades would include more better radar & integration of electronic warfare abilities. Russia also hopeful of inking deal with India to supply 12 more Su-30 MKIs and 21 MiG-29s.
on this forum i had read indians inspected the mig29 frames and found them to be in bad shape. Isnt it so?Rakesh wrote:Russian defence industry team to visit India soon for talks on upgrading IAF’s Sukhoi fleet
https://theprint.in/defence/russian-def ... t/1087006/
18 Aug 2022
Upgrades would include more better radar & integration of electronic warfare abilities. Russia also hopeful of inking deal with India to supply 12 more Su-30 MKIs and 21 MiG-29s.
The opposite is what I remember.YashG wrote: on this forum i had read indians inspected the mig29 frames and found them to be in bad shape. Isnt it so?
Whatever we get now has to be logistically supported into the 40s. Question is what is lowest hanging fruit in terms of time and money because Tejas are not coming at the rate we wanted.YashG wrote: Also logistically, if bulk of ur mig29 go out in 30s then wud it make sense to maintain 21 odd 29s well into 40s?
Sirjee,ks_sachin wrote:Is that a chicken and egg situation Indranil? LCA not coming at the rate wanted as enough orders not placed?
This is where strong leadership in the MoD would have made a difference. The DM is not a scientist/engineer, nor a soldier, nor a mere bureaucrat pushing files. He is supposed to be the one who understands all the competing interests and figures out a way to get everyone to follow the same path, stamping his authority if people are being unreasonable. It is his job to ensure India's present and future defense needs are taken care of and to come up with a plan to reach that goal and then persuade, cajole or threaten if necessary all the stakeholders to follow that plan. Otherwise, what use is he to anybody?Indranil wrote: Sirjee,
I feel we as a system of user-enabler-designer-producer are terribly disjointed. In the case of aviation especially, more often than not they are pulling in different directions! It is only when some amazing people come about they can bring everybody to share a vision and get things done.
I don't think IAF sees HAL as an equal to itself where both of them enable and bolster each other in the long-run. MoD babus are on their own highs. ADA is a lab which has to wait for funds and with no production capability. It is a miracle that things work.
LCA orders where delayed and not in the hundreds that are required. There is an MRFA carrot hanging somewhere. LCA Mk2 is though as a challenge to that carrot!
Things are discombobulated.
Nachiket sahab, if the DM say your post he would do "Kadi Ninda" of you!!!!nachiket wrote: This is where strong leadership in the MoD would have made a difference. The DM is not a scientist/engineer, nor a soldier, nor a mere bureaucrat pushing files. He is supposed to be the one who understands all the competing interests and figures out a way to get everyone to follow the same path, stamping his authority if people are being unreasonable. It is his job to ensure India's present and future defense needs are taken care of and to come up with a plan to reach that goal and then persuade, cajole or threaten if necessary all the stakeholders to follow that plan. Otherwise, what use is he to anybody?
I know how to easy it is to get despondent. I empathize with you.ks_sachin wrote:Admiral,
Every post I see on BRF these days that deals with armed forces or procurement depress me.
Silver Linings = YOs, JCOs and NCOs. It is on their back & shoulders that we stand.ks_sachin wrote:Show me some silver linings....
I can't believe these views! "Our RM is more mellow, balanced", for whom? Not for the Services. RM is a job for tough person whose first obligation is national security, not the security of the egos of the officers he meets. The nicest thing I can think of saying is that the RM is intimidated by the officers and has no time or inclination to master critical details for national security. If it requires a technocrat to get work done, so be it.YashG wrote:Our RM is not a bad guy - he is gracious and understands enough to tamp out the import lobby once in a while. But our RM is not a crusader. Parrikar was a technocrat, took interest in crusading his job. Our RM is more mellow, balanced.
The issue is that PMO will never depute a strong RM or else that will become a political counterweight. RM is no.3. in govt.
What you state is also correct; I pretty much agree.basant wrote:I can't believe these views! "Our RM is more mellow, balanced", for whom? Not for the Services. RM is a job for tough person whose first obligation is national security, not the security of the egos of the officers he meets. The nicest thing I can think of saying is that the RM is intimidated by the officers and has no time or inclination to master critical details for national security. If it requires a technocrat to get work done, so be it.YashG wrote:Our RM is not a bad guy - he is gracious and understands enough to tamp out the import lobby once in a while. But our RM is not a crusader. Parrikar was a technocrat, took interest in crusading his job. Our RM is more mellow, balanced.
The issue is that PMO will never depute a strong RM or else that will become a political counterweight. RM is no.3. in govt.
From the above article. FINALLY!!!! YAAY!!!Rakesh wrote:Indigenous UTTAM AESA Radar Ready: Doubts Loom Over Initial Order Size
https://delhidefencereview.com/2022/09/ ... rder-size/
05 Sept 2022
Digital Zoom vs Optical ZoomYashG wrote:SU30 MKI with its current radar could look quite faraway as it is. With AESA how much farther will it see?
AESA isn't just that. You can interlace A2A, A2G, terrain following, IFF, SAR, EW, etc. Truly multi-role!Rakesh wrote:Digital Zoom vs Optical ZoomYashG wrote:SU30 MKI with its current radar could look quite faraway as it is. With AESA how much farther will it see?
We can buyout SU30 MKIs from Malaysia, thr version is close to ours - upgrade them and in return give them XX LCAs over and above 18 they will place with palm oil. Since IAF wont order more MK1As, let Malaysia do it.Rakesh wrote:Ramana-ji, media reports state that the Russians were charging an arm and a leg for the 12 Su-30MKIs and the 21 MiG-29s and that was prior to the Russian-Ukrainian war.
Now that the war is underway and still going strong, the thought process appears to have changed with regards to the 21 MiG-29s. The IAF is planning to retire her MiG-29 fleet by the end of this decade, so it might not make sense to acquire those 21 birds. Plus with the Mk1A coming soon and the Mk2 production starting by the end of the decade, it really does not make sense to induct 21 MiG-29UPGs.
Negotiations for the 12 Su-30MKI are reportedly still on, which involves the SS upgrade. And that makes sense, considering the Rambha is the backbone of the IAF combat fleet.
Rather we not buy anymore from RU or Malaysia but invest these monies in getting additional LCA's.YashG wrote: We can buyout SU30 MKIs from Malaysia, thr version is close to ours - upgrade them and in return give them XX LCAs over and above 18 they will place with palm oil. Since IAF wont order more MK1As, let Malaysia do it.
I agree we should not buy Mig-29 anymore. The plane is better off retired. But the deadline given 2027 is not realistic. We should probably get the Malaysian Mig-29 for spares though. They have been grounded. With regards to Su-30 MKM, RMAF is already short on multi-role fighters. They shortlisted Rafale as new MRCA. But they could not buy them despite French offering a 10-year payment plan.YashG wrote:We can buyout SU30 MKIs from Malaysia, thr version is close to ours - upgrade them and in return give them XX LCAs over and above 18 they will place with palm oil. Since IAF wont order more MK1As, let Malaysia do it.Rakesh wrote:Ramana-ji, media reports state that the Russians were charging an arm and a leg for the 12 Su-30MKIs and the 21 MiG-29s and that was prior to the Russian-Ukrainian war.
Now that the war is underway and still going strong, the thought process appears to have changed with regards to the 21 MiG-29s. The IAF is planning to retire her MiG-29 fleet by the end of this decade, so it might not make sense to acquire those 21 birds. Plus with the Mk1A coming soon and the Mk2 production starting by the end of the decade, it really does not make sense to induct 21 MiG-29UPGs.
Negotiations for the 12 Su-30MKI are reportedly still on, which involves the SS upgrade. And that makes sense, considering the Rambha is the backbone of the IAF combat fleet.
Right way to go.ramana wrote:Well, there is a HAL plan for upgrade and the Russian plan for the upgrade which is basically hafta.
I think India has given enough hafta.
The 21 Mig-29s are like one squadron.
Hope its canceled and the number is added to Mk2 order.
And an AL-31 alternate developed with the delta.